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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 30 March 2014 09:34:55(UTC)
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I´m thinking about to buy Trix oldtime steam locomotiv with the sound.
But i´m not sure if the sound decoder is same as Märklins B VI 37981.
Does anyone who knows if the sound decoder is same in the Trix locomotiv B VI...?
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 30 March 2014 09:50:26(UTC)
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Not the same decoder, but probably the same sound. Same functions listed in the product database.
Trix locos come with mfx and DCC (no MM protocol), Märklin locos come with mfx and MM (no DCC). Same decoder hardware, but different firmware.
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#3 Posted : 30 March 2014 09:51:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
But i´m not sure if the sound decoder is same as Märklins B VI 37981.
Does anyone who knows if the sound decoder is same in the Trix locomotiv B VI...?

First of all, that is a nice locomotive, I have been thinking on buying it myself.

With regards to the decoder, chances are that they are not the same. The Märklin decoder supports MFX and MM, but apparently not DCC. This means that at least there are some differences in the software on the decoder, meaning that there might be differences in the running conditions. That being said, newer Trix decoders usually do a good job, and you will not see any problems.

With regards to the sound functionality you get the same features as the Märklin model.

UPDATE: Dang Tom, I almost beat you to it. :-)
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Offline Goofy  
#4 Posted : 30 March 2014 09:56:23(UTC)
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I thought it was same mSD decoder and just only preprogramed protocol difference.
Märklins mSD have both mfx and DCC protocol.
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#5 Posted : 30 March 2014 10:06:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I thought it was same mSD decoder and just only preprogramed protocol difference.
Märklins mSD have both mfx and DCC protocol.

Yup, but Märklin does not use MSD as their factory installed decoders. The factory installed decoders are often cheaper decoders, that you cannot(or almost cannot) modify or customize. The MSD is a fully customizable decoder with possibilities that should fit almost everyone.
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 30 March 2014 10:08:34(UTC)
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Okey...i buy Brawa instead because they have ESU V.4...!
I forget about Trix.
Thanks for the comments! ThumpUp
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#7 Posted : 30 March 2014 10:13:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Okey...i buy Brawa instead because they have ESU V.4...!

To be fair, the decoder is not necessarily bad. You just cannot customize it.

Does Brawa make a B VI? I have not seen that.

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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 30 March 2014 10:20:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I thought it was same mSD decoder and just only preprogramed protocol difference.
Märklins mSD have both mfx and DCC protocol.
The decoders pre-installed in locos are locked against firmware upgrades, are locked against sound upgrades, and don't allow mfx to be disabled. Motor type is normally hard coded in the decoder so decoder cannot be optimized for other motor types.

The mSD sold separately allows firmware upgrades, sound updates, and allows to disable unneeded protocols. Motor type is not locked in the decoder.

Probably same decoder hardware as mSD, but crippled in different ways for Trix or Märklin locos.

Sound, motor control, and speed characteristics will be the same as with mSD.
Regards
Tom
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