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Offline Zme  
#1 Posted : 23 March 2014 03:49:27(UTC)
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Confused Hello everyone

I just installed a new 5 pole in my vintage railbus and now it runs in the opposite direction of my other locomotives.

I must have done something wrong but what? Appreciate your guidance. I have never install a 5 pole before. Thanks

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 23 March 2014 05:04:40(UTC)
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I'm assuming you installed a digital decoder as well, or did you just upgrade the analog motor to a 5 pole analog motor?

Either way, if the loco is going in the opposite direction to what is indicated on your controller, then try reversing / swapping the 2 wires that are connected to the motor (in a Marklin decoder conversion this will be the green and blue wires, for ESU this will be orange and grey).
Offline franciscohg  
#3 Posted : 23 March 2014 06:39:07(UTC)
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Hello, and if you have installed newer decoders and run a CS or Ecos, you can swap the direction on the configuration page of your control unit
I don't know with other control units
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 23 March 2014 08:21:38(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: d_landen@yahoo.com Go to Quoted Post
I must have done something wrong but what?
I presume we're talking about Z scale.
Turn the motor 180° to reverse the direction.

Regards
Tom
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Offline jvuye  
#5 Posted : 23 March 2014 08:28:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!
Originally Posted by: d_landen@yahoo.com Go to Quoted Post
I must have done something wrong but what?
I presume we're talking about Z scale.
Turn the motor 180° to reverse the direction.


Absolutely!
Easy mistake, but easily corrected too.
Good catch Tom!

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#6 Posted : 23 March 2014 10:34:00(UTC)
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Thanks Tom and Jacques.

This is a clear example, to help save confusion, why original thread posters need to provide clear information as to what they are asking for - e.g. Scale type (H0, Z, 1, or whatever), the specific loco type and model number, whether it is digital or analog, and a clear description of whatever is the problem.

Otherwise people will bark up the wrong tree, and time is wasted as a result.



Edit - And also for those who try to help out , but do not maybe read that it is in eg the "small scale" section - have done that mistake myself too... Blushing /Webmaster

Edited by moderator 23 March 2014 19:37:18(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline franciscohg  
#7 Posted : 23 March 2014 12:11:28(UTC)
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Blushing
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Offline Zme  
#8 Posted : 23 March 2014 13:39:45(UTC)
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Promise I will do a better job at Posting.

I have a vintage Marklin z 8816 railbus which I am using on an analog circuit. I believe the motor only goes in the frame in one way.

I think I need to switch to digital. Hopefully one day I will.

When I checked it last night it goes opposite to the others. Maybe I am delusional it was a long day yesterday. I will check everything again today.

I am thinking the magnets in the motor need to be swapped with each other. Hope it is something else.

Thanks everyone.
Offline biedmatt  
#9 Posted : 23 March 2014 14:10:29(UTC)
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If the motor is symmetrical top to bottom, flip it over as Tom suggests. This is what I do with my slot cars. If not, swap the motor leads. If that option is out, trade the motor magnets if it has two magnets. This is essentially the same as flipping the motor over. If it is an HO DCM permanent magnet motor with one magnet, flip the magnet over.
Matt
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DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline Zme  
#10 Posted : 23 March 2014 15:28:58(UTC)
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Dah. Should have realized. It is working fine now. Thank you.
Offline jvuye  
#11 Posted : 23 March 2014 19:17:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
If the motor is symmetrical top to bottom, flip it over as Tom suggests. This is what I do with my slot cars. If not, swap the motor leads. If that option is out, trade the motor magnets if it has two magnets. This is essentially the same as flipping the motor over. If it is an HO DCM permanent magnet motor with one magnet, flip the magnet over.


This was posted in "small scale"....Wink so no DCM in Z-gauge AFAIKRollEyes Smile

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Offline biedmatt  
#12 Posted : 23 March 2014 20:20:19(UTC)
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Meant to be information for all DC motors one would encounter in a Marklin product. As he already had it fixed, there would be no other need for my post.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 23 March 2014 20:45:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
...have done that mistake myself too... Blushing /Webmaster [/i][/color]


Me too, more times than I'd like to admit, this being one of them! Blushing
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Offline Webmaster  
#14 Posted : 23 March 2014 21:06:11(UTC)
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Yep, since most of us H0 guys instinctively react with our "H0 spine reaction" in the forum - some useless advice can be given for other gauges....
Even if we mean well and our intentions are good from our own perspective... BigGrin
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Offline hgk  
#15 Posted : 23 March 2014 22:53:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: d_landen@yahoo.com Go to Quoted Post
Dah. Should have realized. It is working fine now. Thank you.

Hi,
As several remedies were offered, what was the actual solution to your problem?
thanks,
-George
Offline xxup  
#16 Posted : 24 March 2014 02:15:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
...have done that mistake myself too... Blushing /Webmaster [/i][/color]


Me too, more times than I'd like to admit, this being one of them! Blushing


And this is why your teachers used to write on your report cards -> "Smart kid - lacks attention to detail.." LOL

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Offline Zme  
#17 Posted : 24 March 2014 03:08:12(UTC)
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BigGrin hi George. I removed the motor,flipped it over and reinstalled it. Now it is working correctly. Is this always a trial or error process or did I miss a marking? Thanks. Dwight
Offline Artologic  
#18 Posted : 03 April 2014 22:12:01(UTC)
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Dwight,

Since you have converted it to a 5 pole engine, was it worth the money? I have simular railbus...

Kristof
Offline Zme  
#19 Posted : 05 April 2014 14:50:02(UTC)
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Hello. It cost around $60.00 for the motor and shipping. It was the very oldest model railbus and it was noisy. I believe the brushes were about gone. Anyway it was my first attempt and it went fairly easy but for flipping the motor. I had to take it apart a few extra times but with Marklin quality it could take it and nothing was damaged or broken from my efforts. Now it has that 5 pole smoothness that cannot be beat. I believe it was worth the effort but it is a bit hard on your nerves. The anxiety definately goes up a notch whenever you take on this kind of task. Having to repeat a step or troubleshoot it tests you too. I believe I will not have as much trouble in the future. Also, it is like this forum "Has your Back" too if you know what I mean. If there is a problem you have someone who will help you. Did you see how many replies I received on my post? Wow!

Now it is essentially a new railbus. Clean and functional. Thanks.
Offline Artologic  
#20 Posted : 12 April 2014 21:56:52(UTC)
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Thanks for explaining Dwight! Maybe one day I will do the same, even if she isn t bad runner right now.

Kind Regards,

Kristof
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