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Offline tompj  
#1 Posted : 24 February 2014 21:12:35(UTC)
tompj

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Hello friends,
I have a nearly complete Collection of 3021´s (off all things Glare ) , but I have a problem detecting versions 4 and 7, according to the Koll catalogue. I have seen many 3021´s in my days, but never a version 4 and never a version 7, do anyone know, if that are errors in the Koll description or those versions are simply very rare? As I read Koll, version 4 should be 200 006, 3 headlights (the first version with 3 headlights) and a 3 fold diveded ornamental list. And version 7 should be 200 056 with "Deutsche Bundesbahn" on the sides, as the only 200 056 with that.
I hope that someone have the knowledge to enlighten me on this subject, it is "killing me" to keep looking for something that might not even exist.....Confused
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Offline Janne75  
#2 Posted : 24 February 2014 21:38:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tompj Go to Quoted Post
Hello friends,
I have a nearly complete Collection of 3021´s (off all things Glare ) , but I have a problem detecting versions 4 and 7, according to the Koll catalogue. I have seen many 3021´s in my days, but never a version 4 and never a version 7, do anyone know, if that are errors in the Koll description or those versions are simply very rare? As I read Koll, version 4 should be 200 006, 3 headlights (the first version with 3 headlights) and a 3 fold diveded ornamental list. And version 7 should be 200 056 with "Deutsche Bundesbahn" on the sides, as the only 200 056 with that.
I hope that someone have the knowledge to enlighten me on this subject, it is "killing me" to keep looking for something that might not even exist.....Confused


Hi,

I just checked out my Märklin 3021 DB V200 056 from year 1962. It has not the text "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN", but has "Rahmenaufschrift Schiebebild" so it must be then version 8 (1963-1966). I have only 3021 versions 2 (one), version 3 (three of these), this version 8 (one), version 11 (one) and version 12 (one). I have had before also other versions, but I can not remember if there actually have been a version 4 in my collection before or not. I have never had version 1 or version 7 (in Koll's) at least.

And if you have not seen this before, check this one:

3021 versions Lokshow

In this link you can see that there is not a version V200 056 with that "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" text on the sides and it says it was produced in 1962-1964 and mine is from 1962... And it seems to be the version 7 then.

Also welcome to the forum! ThumpUp

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline Markus Schild  
#3 Posted : 24 February 2014 23:34:27(UTC)
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Hi

The legendary V200 056 with "DEUTSCHE..." only exists in the Märklin-catalogue 1963 and in Mr. Kolls book. Nowhere else.

Regards

Markus
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Offline tompj  
#4 Posted : 26 February 2014 09:09:57(UTC)
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Thanks Janne and Markus.
I had a strong suspision, KOLL is wrong about version 7, it do not exist.

Janne, I have all, exept 5 (I thought I had v5, but it is v4) and ofcourse version 7, which is now clear that no one else have either :-).
So I only need version 5, the one with 200 006, and "drefach zierlisten", 3 lights. It totals 12 versions in a complete 3021 collection then, I think.

I do not think version 1 is actually that rare, they are often sold on ebay.de, but finding a mint is ofcourse difficult.
I do think version 4 and 5 are rarer tan the first 3 versions, I looked for my version 4 a long time before I finally found it in fine condition on ebay.

THe problem is often that most people do not care about versions of the 3021, exept when they are in "Raute box" and therefore the can be really hard to detect
the right version from the, often, poor photos.


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Offline kweekalot  
#5 Posted : 26 February 2014 12:33:04(UTC)
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I have not seen that German Lokshow website before, thank you Janne for sharing it here. ThumpUp

But I guess there are many more differences in the 3021 series than specified on that website....

  • 3021.1 and 3021.2 have different switch units (in 3021.2 the newer just developed unit 20824 (type 13.1) was installed).
  • The font of the label on box 3021.3 differs from the boxes of 3021.1 and 3021.2
  • etcetera...

I think we need a 3021 Wiki. BigGrin

Marco
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Offline intruder  
#6 Posted : 26 February 2014 15:34:04(UTC)
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Some additional information about the 3021 history, from Märklin Archiv version 4.80:

V. 1, 1957
Zweilicht-Spitzensignal beidseitig, geschlossene Lüftergitter, einteilige umlaufende Zierstreifen, erhabene weiße Aufschriften: "3021", "MÄRKLIN" (je 2 x), "Deutsche Bundesbahn", Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 006 auf Längs- und Stirnseiten, erhabene "Märklin"-Embleme, gerade Seite der Türen zur Lokmitte hin angeordnet, Rahmenbeschriftung = Schiebebilder

V. 2, 1958
wie -1, jedoch mit dreiteiligen umlaufenden Zierstreifen

V. 3, 1958-1959
wie -1, jedoch mit dreiteiligen umlaufenden Zierstreifen, offene Lüftergitter mit Cellonscheiben hinterlegt
(ab 1959 auch als Bausatz 3921)

V. 4, 1960
wie -1, jedoch ab 1960 beidseitig Dreilicht-Spitzensignal, Lüftergitter wieder geschlossen, einteilige umlaufende Zierstreifen
(auch als Bausatz 3921)

V. 5, 1961-1962
beidseitig Dreilicht-Spitzensignal, Lüftergitter geschlossen, dreiteilige umlaufende Zierstreifen, Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 027, erhabene Aufschrift: "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN", erhabene Aufschriften: "3021" und "MÄRKLIN" (je 2 x), kleine erhabene "Märklin"-Embleme, erhabene DB-Embleme auf den Stirnseiten, gerade Seiten der Türen zu den Lokspitzen hin angeordnet, silberne Lüftergitter geschlossen, Rahmenbeschriftung = Schiebebilder
(auch als Bausatz 3921)
V. 6, 1962-1963
wie -5, jedoch erhabene Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 056, kleine DB-Embleme auf Stirn- und Längsseiten sowie erhabene Aufschriften: "3021" und "MÄRKLIN" (je 1x)

(auch als Bausatz 3921)
V. 7, 1963-1964
wie -5, jedoch erhabene Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 056, kleine DB-Embleme auf Stirn- und Längsseiten sowie erhabene Aufschriften: "3021" und "MÄRKLIN" (je 1x), Rahmenbeschriftung gedruckt
(auch als Bausatz 3921)
V. 8, 196491965
erhabene Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 027, große erhabene DB-Embleme an den Längsseiten, kleine erhabene DB-Embleme an den Stirnseiten, ohne "Märklin"-Embleme, Rahmenbeschriftung = Schiebebilder
(auch als Bausatz 3921)

V.9, 1965-1966
wie -8, jedoch Rahmenbeschriftung gedruckt
(auch als Bausatz 3921)

V. 10, 1966-1968
wie -8, jedoch Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 056, Rahmenbeschriftung gedruckt
(auch als Bausatz 3921)

V. 11, 1969-1971
wie -8, jedoch Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 027, Rahmenbeschriftung gedruckt

(bis 1970 auch als Bausatz 3921)

V. 12, 1972--1978
wie -8, jedoch Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 060, Rahmenbeschriftung gedruckt

V.13, 1985-1989
alle Aufschriften und DB-Embleme sowie die Zierstreifen an den Stirnseiten gedruckt, Betriebs-Nr.: 220 043-4

That should be all the 13 versions of 3021 - No, it's more:



märklin launched the Primex 3009, 1978:
V.1, 1978-1982
Fensterband und Dach dunkelgrau, ohne silberne Zierlinien, erhabene DB-Embleme und erhabene Aufschriften, Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 060

V.2, 1982-1985
Fensterband dunkelgrau, Dach silbergrau, umlaufende silberne Zierstreifen, erhabene DB-Embleme und erhabene Aufschriften, Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 060

V.3, 1985-1987
wie -2, jedoch ohne Embleme und Aufschriften

Primex 3009 second generation:
Wie PRIMEX 3009-3, jedoch mit weißen gedruckten Aufschriften - Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 057, DB-Embleme und "Deutsche Bundesbahn".
(Kleine Sonderserie von PRIMEX - 550 Stück)
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline tompj  
#7 Posted : 27 February 2014 06:51:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: intruder Go to Quoted Post
Some additional information about the 3021 history, from Märklin Archiv version 4.80:

V. 1, 1957
Zweilicht-Spitzensignal beidseitig, geschlossene Lüftergitter, einteilige umlaufende Zierstreifen, erhabene weiße Aufschriften: "3021", "MÄRKLIN" (je 2 x), "Deutsche Bundesbahn", Betriebs-Nr.: V 200 006 auf Längs- und Stirnseiten, erhabene "Märklin"-Embleme, gerade Seite der Türen zur Lokmitte hin angeordnet, Rahmenbeschriftung = Schiebebilder

V. 2, 1958
wie -1, jedoch mit dreiteiligen umlaufenden Zierstreifen

V. 3, 1958-1959
wie -1, jedoch mit dreiteiligen umlaufenden Zierstreifen, offene Lüftergitter mit Cellonscheiben hinterlegt
(ab 1959 auch als Bausatz 3921)

V. 4, 1960
wie -1, jedoch ab 1960 beidseitig Dreilicht-Spitzensignal, Lüftergitter wieder geschlossen, einteilige umlaufende Zierstreifen
(auch als Bausatz 3921)


Now I am really confused? According to this 1.st and 2nd version are with clossed (geschlossene) vent opening, it is the 3rd version that has open (offene) vent? All other reference I have found and the items I have indicates (date stamps on the manuals), that 1st version IS the version with open vents, all following versions are with the closed vent?
Is this information from Märklin and available on the net. ?
Offline intruder  
#8 Posted : 27 February 2014 08:13:11(UTC)
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tompj wrote:
Originally Posted by: intruder Go to Quoted Post
Some additional information about the 3021 history, from Märklin Archiv version 4.80:


..... All other reference I have found and the items I have indicates (date stamps on the manuals), that 1st version IS the version with open vents, all following versions are with the closed vent?
Is this information from Märklin and available on the net. ?

Good morning (in Europe that is)

All The inrormation comes from Märklin Archive Version 4.80. I do not know if it's available on the net. I find it in the archive, Märklin item no. 60520.
Version 4.80 is from 1935 to 2004.

I bought it some years ago. Very helpful, as it also contains a section where one can build up one's own collection. I use it practically every day.

Database from 2000 to current products:
Märklin products from 2000
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline Janne75  
#9 Posted : 27 February 2014 09:45:30(UTC)
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Hi all,

I want to add that I have heard rumours in the past month somewhere about the same. I have always thought that the very first version had the open vents. It was so difficult to produce locomotive bodys with open vents succesfully with the production methods back in those days they then changed it to closed vents very soon. But the rumour I heard were that there was a version with closed vents before this version with open vents. I have thought it must be a error, but now there is some documentation here from Märklin which Svein put here.

I have two 1959 models with smooth silver stripes and they do not have open vents, so here are errors too. Do we have some users who have bought or got 3021 as new in those years 1957-1959 and could confirm how it is? I have one 1958-1959 with three raised lines silver stripes and two 1959 models with smooth silver stripes. All have two lamps and closed vents. I have seen one "in my opinion" first version with open vents and one of my friend who collects Märklin has it in very mint like new condition. Also in his opinion that version is the very first, but I have heard some rumours and we have this documentation... or is the rumour only based on this documentation which has also this other error? Confused RollEyes

Regards,
Janne
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Offline kweekalot  
#10 Posted : 27 February 2014 10:15:27(UTC)
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It must be a mistake for sure !
The first version was definitively the only one with open grilles.

See pictures of 3021.1 with "11 9" stamp on the box (November 1957), open air grilles and 3 fold ribbed silver strip.

(pictures are borrowed from the Marklin Collectors Guide on forum 'Alte-Modellbahnen')

Marco


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Offline Janne75  
#11 Posted : 27 February 2014 13:34:49(UTC)
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Thanks Marco!

It must be an error then. I can see from the photos that the direction changer (reversing unit) is completely different looking in this version 1 than the one used in version 2 and 3.

Janne
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Offline kweekalot  
#12 Posted : 27 February 2014 15:24:47(UTC)
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Hi Janne,

All of these switch units look very similar.

Unit 21175 has at least five variants that are only slightly different...copper wires / red colored wires / silver fingers/ brass fingers and so on, and so on. Same for unit 20824, which has at least 11 variants

See pictures so you can see what I mean...

(3021.1 has unit 21175 installed).

Marco

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Unit 21175 type 7.1 (1957-1972) (copper wires / silver fingers).

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Unit 21175 type 7.2 (1957-58) (red wires/ silver fingers)

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Unit 21175 type 7.2.1 (1957-58) (red wires / bras fingers)

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Unit 20824 type 13.1 (1958)
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Offline kweekalot  
#13 Posted : 27 February 2014 15:36:05(UTC)
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BTW, I borrowed the pictures of the above switch units from German mrr Forum 'Alte Modellbahnen', they are not mine.
Offline Janne75  
#14 Posted : 23 March 2014 09:09:35(UTC)
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Hi,

I just found on German eBay 3021.4 = the rare fourth version with V200 006 road number, "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" texts on the sides and three head lamps per side. It has the smooth silver linings. This example is not in very good paint, but I just wanted to show that there actually is also this fourth version, but it seems to be very rare. I will not buy this one anyway...

eBay 3021 version 4

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline steventrain  
#15 Posted : 23 March 2014 09:57:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

I just found on German eBay 3021.4 = the rare fourth version with V200 006 road number, "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" texts on the sides and three head lamps per side. It has the smooth silver linings. This example is not in very good paint, but I just wanted to show that there actually is also this fourth version, but it seems to be very rare. I will not buy this one anyway...

eBay 3021 version 4

Cheers,
Janne


3021.4 value 50 euro, You was right not to buy it - It post to Germany only.
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Offline Janne75  
#16 Posted : 23 March 2014 10:36:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

I just found on German eBay 3021.4 = the rare fourth version with V200 006 road number, "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" texts on the sides and three head lamps per side. It has the smooth silver linings. This example is not in very good paint, but I just wanted to show that there actually is also this fourth version, but it seems to be very rare. I will not buy this one anyway...

eBay 3021 version 4

Cheers,
Janne


3021.4 value 50 euro, You was right not to buy it - It post to Germany only.


Yes, I know that it has low value, but I wanted just to show that there actually is this version. In Koll´s catalog the fourth and fifth versions are in different order than on Lokshow website. It can be that the 4th and 5th versions are actually much more rare than the first, second and third versions, but these three have more value anyway. Fourth and fifth versions were produced only in 1960.

Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline MACER  
#17 Posted : 06 August 2014 01:11:27(UTC)
MACER

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Hi Tompj,
i have 4 V200 analogycs , only one, the most old is normal. but the others are changed colours and re-equiped.

If you see the sames, i send pictures.

In supous you will see in my álbum the KM V200 Arabian Archirodon Project.

I wait for your opinions.
Regards.
MACER
Offline MalinAC  
#18 Posted : 06 August 2014 16:35:05(UTC)
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I have a v200006 with 2 headlights and Deutsche Bundesbahn in raised letters and Marklin in raised letters at one end and 3021 in raised letters at the other end . Dont have box so cant tell year. Take care Eddie
Offline Janne75  
#19 Posted : 06 August 2014 18:09:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MalinAC Go to Quoted Post
I have a v200006 with 2 headlights and Deutsche Bundesbahn in raised letters and Marklin in raised letters at one end and 3021 in raised letters at the other end . Dont have box so cant tell year. Take care Eddie


Hi Eddie,

There are three different V200 006 two lamp versions. Oldest version has open side wents and the silver linings have three raised "lines". Second version is like the first one, but with closed side wents. Third version has smooth silver linings without raised "lines". There can be some small differences internally, but this is the easiest method to tell the differences regarding the three first versions. There are differences depending of the source for which years these versions were made. Regarding to Koll's the oldest version only 1957, second version 1957-1959 and third version 1958-1959.

Cheers,
Janne
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Offline MalinAC  
#20 Posted : 06 August 2014 18:26:15(UTC)
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Thanks Janne, Going by your info I have third version 1958/ 1959 and it still runs ok. Take care Eddie
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Offline waorb  
#21 Posted : 06 August 2014 22:17:09(UTC)
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Hello!

Which version/year is the 3021, V200 006, two bulb lamps, that came 'knocked down' in a blue box, so that the buyer should assemble it at home?

A friend found one in the attic and gave it to me. I'm curious from which date it is...

Yes, it's running very nice. Cool

Thanks!

Walter
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Offline Janne75  
#22 Posted : 06 August 2014 23:20:58(UTC)
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Hi Walter,

When I watch those photos it looks like it has three lamps and not two. It is actually 3921 and not 3021 as it came originally as a kit to build. If it has three lamps like it looks like then it is 3921.3 = 3021.5 and it is from the year 1960. If it has two headlamps and there are actually two light bulbs per side it is 3921.1 = 3021.3. Then it is from the year 1959.

Unbuilt like new 3921 in mint condition with mint box and papers has value of 400 euro, but when it has been built the value is 50 euro regarding my Koll's 2012 catalog.

Enjoy your present! ThumpUp

Cheers,
Janne
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Offline waorb  
#23 Posted : 12 August 2014 20:17:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
When I watch those photos it looks like it has three lamps and not two. It is actually 3921 and not 3021 as it came originally as a kit to build. If it has three lamps like it looks like then it is 3921.3 = 3021.5 and it is from the year 1960. If it has two headlamps and there are actually two light bulbs per side it is 3921.1 = 3021.3. Then it is from the year 1959.

Hello Janne!

Thanks for the explanation!

More informations from my side:

- The lok have inside only 2 bulbs, one on each side; the light is transmitted to each hole by an acrylic piece.
- All external ´vents´are closed.
- The box is that one below, so 3921 is the model, but don't know the presumably year of production.

Cheers!

Walter

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Offline Janne75  
#24 Posted : 12 August 2014 20:51:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: waorb Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
When I watch those photos it looks like it has three lamps and not two. It is actually 3921 and not 3021 as it came originally as a kit to build. If it has three lamps like it looks like then it is 3921.3 = 3021.5 and it is from the year 1960. If it has two headlamps and there are actually two light bulbs per side it is 3921.1 = 3021.3. Then it is from the year 1959.

Hello Janne!

Thanks for the explanation!

More informations from my side:

- The lok have inside only 2 bulbs, one on each side; the light is transmitted to each hole by an acrylic piece.
- All external ´vents´are closed.
- The box is that one below, so 3921 is the model, but don't know the presumably year of production.

Cheers!

Walter


Hi Walter,

By three lamps I mean a newer version having only one light bulb per side like yours is then. It is 3921.3 = third version so same as 3021.5 = fifth version. It is approximately from the year 1960. The older versions had two light bulbs per side and the lights lit only to running direction. In newer analog 3021 or 3921 versions all lights are lit at the same time. Smile

PS. I don't know what "magic" it actually is with these 3021/3921 V200's. I have around 15 of these now Wink . It must have something to do with the colors, full metal construction, four driving wheels and the fact that these 3021's were my truly favourites when I was around 10-12 years old and was running them in our train club back then regarding time schedules on large analog M-track layout. I never got one when I was a child and admired these analog things running quality (LFCM motor ThumpUp ). So now I have about enough of them LOL ....

Cheers,
Janne


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#25 Posted : 13 August 2014 04:53:28(UTC)
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This is my V200 Marklin with changes, as used in Arabia.
I hand made the equipment, no lights in focus.
Well Hujan, at last i upload-FIUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!
Many thanks
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Offline waorb  
#26 Posted : 13 August 2014 14:11:18(UTC)
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This is my V200 Marklin with changes, as used in Arabia.
I hand made the equipment, no lights in focus.

Prototypical example of the arabian one:

http://www.locopage.net/v200page.htm
http://www.locopage.net/saudi220.jpg

Well done job on your handmade one!

Cheers,

Walter
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#27 Posted : 13 August 2014 14:18:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Janne75 Go to Quoted Post
By three lamps I mean a newer version having only one light bulb per side like yours is then. It is 3921.3 = third version so same as 3021.5 = fifth version. It is approximately from the year 1960. The older versions had two light bulbs per side and the lights lit only to running direction. In newer analog 3021 or 3921 versions all lights are lit at the same time.

Hello Janne!
Good to know. Thanks!!

When I was a kid (~1979), my father also had a layout with one V200, together with 2 steams and one red railbus. Now I have one again... Love

Cheers,

Walter
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Offline MACER  
#28 Posted : 13 August 2014 23:00:34(UTC)
MACER

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Location: DISTRITO FEDERAL, BUENOS AIRES
Hi Walter, muito brigado for your words.

I have more variations over Marklin, i like me much hand made.

Ah! you see in YOU TUBE the short video FAXINEIRA de cars, is the best of Brazil-jajajaja!!.

Hasta luego.
MACER
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#29 Posted : 14 August 2014 13:37:05(UTC)
foumaro

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Originally Posted by: waorb Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: MACER Go to Quoted Post
This is my V200 Marklin with changes, as used in Arabia.
I hand made the equipment, no lights in focus.

Prototypical example of the arabian one:

http://www.locopage.net/v200page.htm
http://www.locopage.net/saudi220.jpg

Well done job on your handmade one!

Cheers,

Walter


This locomotive is belongs to a Greek company with the name Archirodon.
Offline waorb  
#30 Posted : 14 August 2014 16:30:19(UTC)
waorb

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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post

This locomotive is belongs to a Greek company with the name Archirodon.

A-ha... This explains the diamonds logo.

Found another photo:

http://www.b-e-net.com/images/Archirodon03.jpg
From here:
http://www.b-e-net.com/att_fattibilita.html

Cheers,

Walter
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Offline MACER  
#31 Posted : 14 August 2014 18:19:31(UTC)
MACER

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There is a reproduction of Archirodon, maior or minor job, the affair i like me much for make me.

Is a good moment, i think for realizated this project and put in my maquette.

Amazing the video of KM V200 convoy from Greece to Germany, this machines its out service, but equal are biggers.

The KM V200 is my favorite.

Regard for alls
MACER
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