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Offline Janne75  
#1 Posted : 26 January 2014 01:03:01(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi all,

I found very interesting information about this S 3/6 K.Bay.Sts.B. ocher color road number "3602" steam locomotive. It was the very first S 3/6 locomotive (same as Märklin model 33185 Delta and 37185 Digital versions). From since year 1911 it was used to pull express trains without stops from München to Nürnberg (199 km) and München to Würzburg (277 km).

This "3602" S 3/6 locomotive was handed over to France as war reparations after the first WW and there to company CF de l'Etat and got the number 231981. SNCF was formed in 1938 and the locomotive was given the number 231.A.981. It was abandoned in 1946. This 231.A.981 is the very same locomotive as Märklin´s older French model 3083. I did not know it until today. I have both locomotives in 1:87 scale of course BigGrin ...

My question is this:

Could it be possible that this "3602" express locomotive would have ever pulled same kind of train than Märklin 42754 set "International luxustrain from 1910", "Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits" = CIWL, "Internationale Eisenbahn Schlafwagen Gesellschaft" (ISG)? In my layout it one day will and at least this "3602" is from the very same time period and one of the best steam express locomotives back then. In my opinion it goes really well with these coaches (42754 from year 1998). Mehmet utkan had already found out this nice combination in his own thread in the beginning of 2013 if I remember right... page 126 or 127 if I remember right...

And if not, then why not? Was there some specific locomotive type pulling these 42754 set type cars? I have to get one of these sets sooner or later as always... Wink

Thank you very much in advance for any information! ThumpUp

Best regards,

Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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User is suspended until 23/03/4752 12:54:35(UTC) Mulldog Lemon  
#2 Posted : 26 January 2014 04:32:55(UTC)
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Hi all,

I found very interesting information about this S 3/6 K.Bay.Sts.B. ocher color road number "3602" steam locomotive. It was the very first S 3/6 locomotive (same as Märklin model 33185 Delta and 37185 Digital versions). From since year 1911 it was used to pull express trains without stops from München to Nürnberg (199 km) and München to Würzburg (277 km).

This "3602" S 3/6 locomotive was handed over to France as war reparations after the first WW and there to company CF de l'Etat and got the number 231981. SNCF was formed in 1938 and the locomotive was given the number 231.A.981. It was abandoned in 1946. This 231.A.981 is the very same locomotive as Märklin´s older French model 3083. I did not know it until today. I have both locomotives in 1:87 scale of course BigGrin ...

My question is this:

Could it be possible that this "3602" express locomotive would have ever pulled same kind of train than Märklin 42754 set "International luxustrain from 1910", "Compagnie Internationale des Wagons-Lits" = CIWL, "Internationale Eisenbahn Schlafwagen Gesellschaft" (ISG)? In my layout it one day will and at least this "3602" is from the very same time period and one of the best steam express locomotives back then. In my opinion it goes really well with these coaches (42754 from year 1998). Mehmet utkan had already found out this nice combination in his own thread in the beginning of 2013 if I remember right... page 126 or 127 if I remember right...

And if not, then why not? Was there some specific locomotive type pulling these 42754 set type cars? I have to get one of these sets sooner or later as always... Wink

Thank you very much in advance for any information! [ThumpUp]

Best regards,

Janne


I posted pics of my set with the 39023 loco. Not sure if it's right, but it works for me. The only loco I have that would be correct is Brawa's 3601, the S2/6.
The 42754 set also has (or should have) a sheet of various destination sign stickers. So, it might depend on what route your CIWL cars have been assigned to.

What loco pulled the Orient Express through the final leg in Romania? I can't recall ever seeing a Romanian loco.
My thinking is that any S3/6 (or other Pacific) is fine as long as the loco's railway is on a route traveled by CIWL cars.

I shall wait to be corrected. [Flapper]

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Offline Janne75  
#3 Posted : 26 January 2014 22:34:11(UTC)
Janne75

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Hi,

Thanks Ross. I won today an auction of this beautiful Märklin 42754 set new with all papers, stickers... and at yesterday Märklin 42765 (used) and Märklin 43137 (like new) DRG sets. So in my opinion S3/6 "3602" is ok for this 42754 set. What would be "the one" = locomotive BigGrin for that 42765 set then?

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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Offline franciscohg  
#4 Posted : 26 January 2014 23:46:40(UTC)
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Hello Janne, a P10 will looks great in the front of that train i think, the Borsig edition 37938, or the new for 2014 37939
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Offline Janne75  
#5 Posted : 27 January 2014 00:02:28(UTC)
Janne75

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Hello Janne, a P10 will looks great in the front of that train i think, the Borsig edition 37938, or the new for 2014 37939


Hi,

Yes it would. But I don't have one and it's expensive. I have to find another solution really. Would a Märklin 33181 / 37181 S3/6 K.Bay.Sts.B. dark green with dark red wheels be ok? Running number 3644. This is at least era I version... Or blue S3/6 "Bayern" 3709 from 1924? Maybe too new version?

By the way I found today more information to my original question regarding locomotives used for luxustrains. This is for Orient Express:

"What fantastic locomotives hauled the Orient-Expresses! During the first quarter of the century there were the beautiful Maffei S3/6 and the unique S2/6 in Royal Bavaria, designed by Anton Hammel, Leppla and von Biber. A Niagara was their dream, never really designed and therefore there are no authentical drawings (as the competent Bavarian locomotive historian J.B. Krowawitter had confirmed). Or let's think of Goeldsdorf's 310, a 2-6-4 in old Austria, the Hungarian 203 class Atlantic, the sole Pacific number 21, built in Belgium for the Bulgaria of Tzar Ferdinand, who was an enthusiastic locomotive driver… or the huge Mountains of the SNCF, the 241A ex-Est on the Orient and the 241P on the Arlberg-Orient-Express after World War II, the Czech Mountains 498.0 and 498.1 double-heading the Balt-Orient (which in Hungary was hauled by two 4-4-4 tank engines, streamlined in German 05 style), or the Austrain 2-8-4 type 214 (or 12), the similar Romanian 142, three big engines, a 142 or 151 and 150 thundering uphill the Carpathian mountains (the Arberg-Orient-Express was hauled by the DF241, a huge pre-war diesel), or the nice Italian Pacifics 691 and the strange Franco-Crosti 683 with the Simplon-Orient-Express, or the Greek Mi alpha, an immense Italian-built 2-10-2, filling the narrow tunnels with its nearly 200 tons of iron and its black oil smoke, while storming southward through Greece with the Simplon-Orient and the Tauern-Express. There were no projects, but obviously dreams, even of a Niagara for the line facing Mount Olympus and the Parnass."

More info can be found here:

Orient Express link

Enjoy! I do at least. ThumpUp RollEyes

Cheers,
Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
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User is suspended until 23/03/4752 12:54:35(UTC) Mulldog Lemon  
#6 Posted : 27 January 2014 00:14:59(UTC)
Mulldog Lemon

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Hi,

Thanks Ross. I won today an auction of this beautiful Märklin 42754 set new with all papers, stickers... and at yesterday Märklin 42765 (used) and Märklin 43137 (like new) DRG sets. So in my opinion S3/6 "3602" is ok for this 42754 set. What would be "the one" = locomotive BigGrin for that 42765 set then?

Cheers,
Janne



I'm the expert now? [Blushing] According to Marklin, the 39022.
I've toyed with getting 42765 just to get the Mitropa car and if the set was mixed cars I probably would.

Good work on the 43137.
That site is a great read for all famous trains, not just O-E.

p.s. I haven't forgotten...

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#7 Posted : 27 January 2014 00:23:58(UTC)
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Hello Janne, a P10 will looks great in the front of that train i think, the Borsig edition 37938, or the new for 2014 37939



yep.

I'm having a hard time saying 'no' to the 37939. MSL have it on reservation at eur335.
An era 2 set that I kept missing is the 42757 'Golden twenties'. So, the 42767 is a definite purchase.ThumpUp

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Offline Janne75  
#8 Posted : 27 January 2014 00:58:29(UTC)
Janne75

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Originally Posted by: Mulldog Lemon Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hello Janne, a P10 will looks great in the front of that train i think, the Borsig edition 37938, or the new for 2014 37939


yep.

I'm having a hard time saying 'no' to the 37939. MSL have it on reservation at eur335.
An era 2 set that I kept missing is the 42757 'Golden twenties'. So, the 42767 is a definite purchase.ThumpUp


One 42757 set was going a way too cheap yesterday. It was used, but sold for only 67 euro... Scared I was not watching that auction unfortunately as I was building Lego houses with my son Wink . I would have payed definitely more for that nice set. And I think that I'm not the only one who would have been paying more. Sometimes car sets go for a way too cheap prices in auctions. Lucky one was the high bidder this time ThumpUp .

Cheers,

Janne
Märklin H0 digital layout. I have analog and digital H0 Collection. Rolling stock mostly from era I, II, III and IV. Märklin 1 gauge beginner.
Offline franciscohg  
#9 Posted : 27 January 2014 01:14:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mulldog Lemon Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Hello Janne, a P10 will looks great in the front of that train i think, the Borsig edition 37938, or the new for 2014 37939


yep.

I'm having a hard time saying 'no' to the 37939. MSL have it on reservation at eur335.
An era 2 set that I kept missing is the 42757 'Golden twenties'. So, the 42767 is a definite purchase.ThumpUp


Oh yes, the 42757 is indeed a great set to have and if you add the 43620, that makes a hell of a train.....
For me also 37939 will have to wait
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