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Offline ozzman  
#1 Posted : 20 January 2014 03:34:30(UTC)
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The tenders that come with some steam locos (eg Br 50) have little cabs about the same size as the brakeman's cabs on some wagons. What was/is the purpose of those little cabs?
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Offline Lollo  
#2 Posted : 20 January 2014 08:34:16(UTC)
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Hi Gary,

Here is a link to Wikipedea that explains it's use.
BR 50 Cabin Tender

Cheers,
Brian.
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Offline steventrain  
#3 Posted : 20 January 2014 08:36:07(UTC)
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Offline Janne75  
#4 Posted : 20 January 2014 10:38:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Lollo Go to Quoted Post
Hi Gary,

Here is a link to Wikipedea that explains it's use.
BR 50 Cabin Tender

Cheers,
Brian.


Thanks for link Brian,

Very interesting info. I just bought some time ago Märklin ÖBB 3416 BR 52 with cabin tender. I want to buy a DB BR 50 with cabin tender also. I have many BR 52 based locomotives from different countries, but not any BR 44, BR 50 or BR 52 from Germany... I don´t know why really? RollEyes

Cheers,
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Offline SteamNut  
#5 Posted : 20 January 2014 13:19:18(UTC)
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I also read somewhere, perhaps in this form, that freight trains longer then 4-5 cars in length needed a space for the boss of the train (conductor). The space could be on the tender or even on a freight car with a brakeman's cabin.
Offline BrandonVA  
#6 Posted : 20 January 2014 16:53:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SteamNut Go to Quoted Post
I also read somewhere, perhaps in this form, that freight trains longer then 4-5 cars in length needed a space for the boss of the train (conductor). The space could be on the tender or even on a freight car with a brakeman's cabin.


For steam trains this is true, there was no place for the conductor (save the cab tender models). There would usually be some sort of car for the conductor, a freight baggage car, an old passenger wagon, etc. Diesels and electrics generally could house the conductor in the loco cab. While BR50 did have those cab tenders, I read somewhere they weren't very successful, the crew didn't like to use them due to condensation and whatnot. Since trains in Europe in Ep III and earlier IV did a lot of shunting work (prior to more "unit" based freight trains), the conductor was pretty essential to keep track of additions and drop-offs, as well as handling of parcels prior to dedicated parcel trains.

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Offline Webmaster  
#7 Posted : 20 January 2014 17:28:48(UTC)
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Might as well have a Google translation of the wikipedia stuff...

Cabin Tender
The cabin Tender is a Tender design, in which a small space for the freight train crew / platoon leader was set up whereby the caboose could be saved. The cabin is located behind the coal bin and can be reached from both sides of the tender by a door. The incorporation of the cabin , inventories decreased the tender . Tender cabin were applied 9593 (formerly DR K2'2'T30 ) ÖBB the Tender 2'2'T26 the BR 50 German Federal Railroad and the Wannentender Rh , which thus became the Rh 9793 . This was coupled with the rows of the locomotives 42, 52 and 152.
With a length of 2080 mm , a width of 1400 mm and an average height of 2253 mm , DB - cabins were a bit smaller than the ÖBB- tender. Two large windows to the rear ( with manual wiper) and the two door window provided good visibility. The walls of the cabin were covered with plastic sheets , a work table ranged over the entire cabin length. A padded folding seat at the table and a pivoting table lamp offered good working conditions for the platoon leader . Right and left of the table were in the pivot area of ​​the doors two Notklappsitze . Two shelves with bins , a sink, a water jug ​​and four coat hooks completed the equipment. Was heated the cabin -floor heating and two radiators that were fed by the Dampfheizleitung the locomotive.
In the DB maintenance facility Lingen took over in 1958 the serial production of the tender after tenders with several experiences were collected in test execution. In August 1962 735 tenders were eventually rebuilt .
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Offline Renato  
#8 Posted : 20 January 2014 17:42:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
Might as well have a Google translation of the wikipedia stuff...

Cabin Tender
The cabin Tender is a Tender design, in which a small space for the freight train crew / platoon leader was set up whereby the caboose could be saved. The cabin is located behind the coal bin and can be reached from both sides of the tender by a door. The incorporation of the cabin , inventories decreased the tender . Tender cabin were applied 9593 (formerly DR K2'2'T30 ) ÖBB the Tender 2'2'T26 the BR 50 German Federal Railroad and the Wannentender Rh , which thus became the Rh 9793 . This was coupled with the rows of the locomotives 42, 52 and 152.
With a length of 2080 mm , a width of 1400 mm and an average height of 2253 mm , DB - cabins were a bit smaller than the ÖBB- tender. Two large windows to the rear ( with manual wiper) and the two door window provided good visibility. The walls of the cabin were covered with plastic sheets , a work table ranged over the entire cabin length. A padded folding seat at the table and a pivoting table lamp offered good working conditions for the platoon leader . Right and left of the table were in the pivot area of ​​the doors two Notklappsitze . Two shelves with bins , a sink, a water jug ​​and four coat hooks completed the equipment. Was heated the cabin -floor heating and two radiators that were fed by the Dampfheizleitung the locomotive.
In the DB maintenance facility Lingen took over in 1958 the serial production of the tender after tenders with several experiences were collected in test execution. In August 1962 735 tenders were eventually rebuilt .


Hi Juhan,

Only to complete your Google translation (with another Internet translator):

Wannentender
bathtub tender

Notklappsitze
Emergency foldable seats

Dampfheizleitung
Steam heating pipe

Cheers

Renato
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Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 20 January 2014 19:21:27(UTC)
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Platoon leader! LOL
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Offline kbvrod  
#10 Posted : 20 January 2014 21:57:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SteamNut Go to Quoted Post
I also read somewhere, perhaps in this form, that freight trains longer then 4-5 cars in length needed a space for the boss of the train (conductor). The space could be on the tender or even on a freight car with a brakeman's cabin.


Hi all,
Please remember that the cab took up space in the tender for water and coal,thus hindering it's range.

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