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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 18 January 2014 10:22:27(UTC)
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Okey...did tested this model and it works fine and good.
All sounds worked too...did not tested smoke generator yet...must first install seuthe generator 72270.
Details is excellent and color is great.
The model has 3 pole motor and a single flywheel,but it don´t stand if motor is made by of Märklin or other else(no info).
Sound decoder is good and has mfx+,which means with CS2 you can simulate steam cabinet(not tested).
But in the manual it don´t stand information about to use more several CV adresses with mfx+.
And that is bad,which makes disapointment if and how to use decoder to program via CS2 or Ecos.
There is no info,if Märklin alone produce sound decoder.
However there is 21 pin interface,so you can change sound decoder if you don´t like Märklins.
To choise speed step is not possible with mfx+,because you can only use 128 steps,which i see this bad.
With ESU you can choise 14 or 28 speed step which makes more fun to speed up.
Service with this model is excellent and easy.
You need only one screw to open the body.
The body is made of metal and it´s good.
To change the pick up shoes is easy.
There is two traction tyres and are also easy to remove by placement new tyres.
So far...Märklins BR64 is working,but for how long with the new motor(3 pole)...?
I report it later,if there is any problems with this model.
Next step is to change sound decoder to ESU instead.

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Offline Webmaster  
#2 Posted : 19 January 2014 03:17:11(UTC)
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I think you should wait with an ESU conversion until you have the CS2 so you can explore all the options regarding motor tuning that MS2 cannot give.

Great review, is it one of the now "famous" new 3-pole motors?

I have the earlier DRG version of this loco, and it runs just as great and has great sound just as you state in your initial review statements.

But - as you also mention, documentation "could be better"...
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Offline Goofy  
#3 Posted : 19 January 2014 07:48:04(UTC)
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Not sure if i shall get an CS2.
It depends if ESU will also upgrade system and so on...
But you have right,i will wait by change sound decoder,because i must first use and test more further with the locomotiv.
Yes...it´s Märklins new famous cheap 3 pole motor.
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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 19 January 2014 10:58:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

Next step is to change sound decoder to ESU instead.



Check the warranty card details and read carefully.

If you change to ESU yourself and the warranty will be void.
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Offline Herrfleck  
#5 Posted : 19 January 2014 14:26:29(UTC)
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Hello Anders!

It is nice to hear you are happy with your BR 64Smile

Many years ago a friend of mine wanted to have all the best digital .

He bought the best ( most expensive) decoders for the lok etc etc......

In the end he has various brand on all components .

It became a big problem they did not work togetherSad

With all respect for ESU somtimes its better not to mix?

I wish you much fun with your new MärklinSmile

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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 19 January 2014 19:14:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post

Next step is to change sound decoder to ESU instead.



Check the warranty card details and read carefully.

If you change to ESU yourself and the warranty will be void.


Correct Steven!
There is 2 years warranty,so it´s not necessary to change out decoder.
I´m just little worried about motor.
But let´s see how far i use locomotiv with good or bad result.

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Offline Goofy  
#7 Posted : 02 February 2014 08:34:44(UTC)
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I did found out there are some drawbacks with the decoder.
Also found out in the MS2 with no possible to use CV protocol for the mfx and mfx+ decoder.
Hopefully can this be done with MS2 into future...

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Offline H0  
#8 Posted : 02 February 2014 08:50:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Herrfleck Go to Quoted Post
With all respect for ESU somtimes its better not to mix?
From 2004 through about 2010 Märklin installed ESU decoders in their locos. Then they found a cheaper source ...

Yes: sometimes it's better not to mix. I prefer ESU, but the Uhlenbrock decoders that came with Piko and Roco locos or the Zimo decoders that came with Roco and Fleischmann locos do not cause problems on my layout.

My Märklin BR 64 #39640 came with factory-installed ESU decoder.
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Offline Goofy  
#9 Posted : 02 February 2014 08:59:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post



My Märklin BR 64 #39640 came with factory-installed ESU decoder.


Do you have possible to change speed steps,28 or 128 speed steps??

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Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 02 February 2014 09:08:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Do you have possible to change speed steps,28 or 128 speed steps??
Yes. With mfx protocol, I can use either 28 or 126 speed steps. It's a feature of CS1R and ECoS.
MS1 always uses 28 speed steps.
CS2 and MS2 always use 126 speed steps.

With MM protocol I can use 14 or 28 speed steps.
Regards
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#11 Posted : 10 February 2014 16:23:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Do you have possible to change speed steps,28 or 128 speed steps??
Yes. With mfx protocol, I can use either 28 or 126 speed steps. It's a feature of CS1R and ECoS.
MS1 always uses 28 speed steps.
CS2 and MS2 always use 126 speed steps.

With MM protocol I can use 14 or 28 speed steps.


Exactly ThumpUp

Sorry Goofy, you don't need to change the decoder but you need to upgrade your controller, a CS1-R is now affordable ? and a good choice.
Just make sure if it's a CS1 it has had the upgrade, but you can still edit the MFX decoders much more easily with any old CS1, which are as cheap as chips now !. I am very happy with mine and will only buy a CS2 so I can play with WoO Cab Control. Before that I was going to buy an Ecos, but only when my layout is operational Wink

With the CS1-R, or an Ecos, you can operate any MFX (M4) decoder in 28 or 126 speed steps ThumpUp
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Offline franciscohg  
#12 Posted : 10 February 2014 16:45:50(UTC)
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Yes, as it has been said, the MS2 is an entry level controller. You will not be able of get all the juice of any decoder with it
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Offline Goofy  
#13 Posted : 13 February 2014 08:47:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: franciscohg Go to Quoted Post
Yes, as it has been said, the MS2 is an entry level controller. You will not be able of get all the juice of any decoder with it


And it´s very sad...
With DCC protocol i can use all CV adresses with MS2 and choise speedsteps 28 or 126.
I belive it´s waste of time by use Märklins mfx decoders.
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Offline Alfa V8  
#14 Posted : 15 February 2014 16:48:29(UTC)
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The model has 3 pole motor and a single flywheel,but it don´t stand if motor is made by of Märklin or other else(no info).

Could you post a picture of the motor as fitted to the chassis

Can it run slowly smoothly +/- 5Kmh

Thanks in advance

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Offline Goofy  
#15 Posted : 16 February 2014 10:09:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alfa V8 Go to Quoted Post
The model has 3 pole motor and a single flywheel,but it don´t stand if motor is made by of Märklin or other else(no info).

Could you post a picture of the motor as fitted to the chassis

Can it run slowly smoothly +/- 5Kmh

Thanks in advance

Hannes



Yes locomotiv runs slower than 5km/h too.

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Offline pdiamd  
#16 Posted : 22 March 2014 20:39:51(UTC)
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I see that Alfa V8 stated that the Br64 has a 3 pole motor. How did you find out that it was a 3 pole motor. The picture in the booklet that came with the locomotive shows it as a can motor if I'm correct. This information would be very helpful to me as well as other marklin collectors.
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Offline H0  
#17 Posted : 22 March 2014 20:53:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pdiamd Go to Quoted Post
I see that Alfa V8 stated that the Br64 has a 3 pole motor.
People on Stummi's Forum compile information about Märklin's new three-pole motors.
BR 64 #39644 is said to have the same type of motor as BR 45 or Ce 6/8 II.
See here (German):
http://www.stummiforum.d...c.php?p=1164434#p1164434

Sure it's a can motor. Surely there ain't official information from Märklin beyond the spare part number.

Very likely it's a three-pole motor. Herr Bächle told us on Märklin TV that five-pole motors do not fit into the boiler of a steam loco (and coreless motors or brushless motors are too expensive).
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Offline mbarreto  
#18 Posted : 22 March 2014 21:53:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
.....t five-pole motors do not fit into the boiler of a steam loco (and coreless motors or brushless motors are too expensive).


Probably the metal of the boiler is so thick that the hole for the motor is very narrow RollEyes



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Offline witzlerh  
#19 Posted : 22 March 2014 22:51:36(UTC)
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I love my BR 64. It is a great runner, can run very slowly. Has great sound and the mfx+ is awesome on the CS2. I will have it at the SUPERTRAIN show in Calgary April 12-13, 2014
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Offline Ian555  
#20 Posted : 23 March 2014 05:51:30(UTC)
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Hi all,

Great running Loco.

Ian.




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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#21 Posted : 02 April 2014 09:04:17(UTC)
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The BR64 is one of the best looking models from Märklin, very detailed, high quality of the body. I bought the 39640 mith the awesome SoftDriveSinus motor a few weeks ago for 150€ only!

I changed CV2 to the value 3 (before it was 5) and the BR 64 now starts in step 1 with 0,88km/h! Look to my video:


The 39640 uses the old Esu LokSound 3 decoder, while the new generation uses the Märklin mSD Sound decoder. It is made by Märklin. The motor of the 39644 is a 3-poe (3-slot) DC motor from external supplier. It isn't made by Märklin. I try to avoid those models. From my point of view, such a cheap and simple motor is not state of the art of a premium Märklin model.

Modify Decoder parameters of a mfx decoder mith MS2
The access to CVs of a mfx decoder is limited, but there is a way to get access to the most important basic CVs with a MobileStation 2 (MS2):
- check decoder address with MS2
- switch of all loco protocolls in MS2, except MM
- create a new loco with MM protocoll and the address of the loco
- now, You can change CV values like shown in this list: http://mediencms.maerkli...D_CV-Liste_FX%20(MM).pdf

It works fine with the old Esu LokSound V3 decoder, You may try with the new mfx-decoder from Märklin, too.

Greetings,
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Offline H0  
#22 Posted : 02 April 2014 09:42:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Moritz-BR365 Go to Quoted Post
It works fine with the old Esu LokSound V3 decoder, You may try with the new mfx-decoder from Märklin, too.
I tried it - and it didn't work. Should work with CU 6021, might even work with MS1 - but I don't know any way that allows programming these decoders with an MS2 (beyond the few settings in the MS2 menus).
It surely works with ESU mfx decoders though.
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Offline Moritz-BR365  
#23 Posted : 02 April 2014 10:34:40(UTC)
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OK, I will try it with my VT 75.9 (37705) which comes with a original Märklin mfx decoder like it is in the new BR 64.
Offline Goofy  
#24 Posted : 01 June 2014 08:22:06(UTC)
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I did tested my BR64 in few loops.
Well...i´m not really happy with mfx decoder.
There are drawbacks to the decoder and MS2.
For example...i cannot adjust squealing brake.
Very sad...
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Offline steventrain  
#25 Posted : 01 June 2014 12:10:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did tested my BR64 in few loops.
Well...i´m not really happy with mfx decoder.
There are drawbacks to the decoder and MS2.
For example...i cannot adjust squealing brake.
Very sad...


Do you have a CS2?
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Offline Goofy  
#26 Posted : 01 June 2014 15:16:51(UTC)
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No
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Offline Goofy  
#27 Posted : 09 June 2014 06:54:01(UTC)
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I did tested locomotiv in few loops and can verifed,that mfx+ decoder react strange by speed up and down.
Also brake sqeual works sometimes and not.
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Offline Goofy  
#28 Posted : 22 September 2014 07:06:54(UTC)
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My locomotiv still at Märklin factory after 7 weeks now... ThumbDown
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Offline witzlerh  
#29 Posted : 23 September 2014 17:04:54(UTC)
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I had my BR 64 running all weekend at the train show all weekend. I had the audience play with the controls and the little guy had no problems. It is a tough lok. It did better than my BR 86.

I agree that the mfx+ can only be adjusted with the CS2 and even then, it is not easy. With mediocre documentation, I have to log my steps to ensure that I know what I started with to revert back to.

I had a couple of guys that have live steam G and larger scale loks and they thought the live steam simulator was pretty good.
I still think that if you run out of water while having full heat, the CS2 display should show an explosion and automatically shut down the live steam screen and force you to start over because in real life, that is what would happen.

I am happy with my purchase!
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Offline Goofy  
#30 Posted : 23 September 2014 17:54:46(UTC)
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Glad to read you are happy with this model. ThumpUp
Let´s see when my loco returned back after repair...
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Offline Goofy  
#31 Posted : 11 October 2014 09:15:02(UTC)
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Locomotiv still at factory after 9 weeks now... ThumbDown
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Offline steventrain  
#32 Posted : 11 October 2014 09:37:06(UTC)
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Locomotiv still at factory after 9 weeks now... ThumbDown


Maybe parts run out of stock at Marklin, Still waiting for new parts I think so.

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Offline Goofy  
#33 Posted : 11 October 2014 15:46:50(UTC)
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Default sound decoder is the problem.
This cannot take in 9 weeks to fix it.
Just to change out decoder.
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Offline Goofy  
#34 Posted : 20 October 2014 17:38:58(UTC)
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Finally!
My locomotiv has arrived...BUT it´s not the same locomotiv.
Instead it´s an complete new locomotiv!
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Offline Webmaster  
#35 Posted : 20 October 2014 18:19:55(UTC)
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They may have found some serious flaw with the loco so they replaced it completely with a new one.

Let's hope the new one works fine. Smile
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#36 Posted : 21 October 2014 02:51:57(UTC)
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Glad to hear you got your loco back, Goofy (even if it is a completely new loco).

They are a nice loco - I have 39640 with SDS motor.
Offline Goofy  
#37 Posted : 21 October 2014 06:56:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Glad to hear you got your loco back, Goofy (even if it is a completely new loco).



Yes it´s an complete new loco...not if!

Glare

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Offline Purellum  
#38 Posted : 21 October 2014 09:50:48(UTC)
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Quote:
not if!


Goofy, "even if" means "även om" in Swedish ( Selvom in Danish. )

Nobody is trying to provoke you.

Congratulations with the return of your loco, även om det är et helt nyt lokk.

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Offline Goofy  
#39 Posted : 21 October 2014 12:27:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Quote:
not if!


Goofy, "even if" means "även om" in Swedish ( Selvom in Danish. )

Nobody is trying to provoke you.

Congratulations with the return of your loco, även om det är et helt nyt lokk.

Per.

Cool


Even if is a kind of provocation.
There is no reason to write "even if",because it seems non-trusting side from someone.
I see like that.

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Offline Purellum  
#40 Posted : 21 October 2014 12:56:19(UTC)
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Quote:
Even if is a kind of provocation.
There is no reason to write "even if",because it seems non-trusting side from someone.
I see like that.


You should not see it like that, because it is not correct. You feel provoked, because you don't understand the meaning of what is written in English.

Please look at this: http://www.learn-english...even_though-even_if.html

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Offline PJMärklin  
#41 Posted : 21 October 2014 13:35:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Finally!
My locomotiv has arrived...BUT it´s not the same locomotiv.
Instead it´s an complete new locomotiv!


Hello Anders,

Pleased to hear your news.

What wonderful service from Märklin !!

Regards,

PJ
Offline RayF  
#42 Posted : 21 October 2014 15:08:44(UTC)
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All's well that ends well, as they say! ThumpUp
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#43 Posted : 21 October 2014 21:51:45(UTC)
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Thanks for the explanation Per.

Sometimes, I wonder why I bother trying to say something nice.......
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Offline stevend  
#44 Posted : 22 October 2014 00:12:46(UTC)
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Hi,

The problem has been oil/lube getting into the motor. The brushes over time disintegrate, the resulting conductive brush muck ends up in the slots between the commutators, this causes the motor to short out its poles resulting in very slow running as best, and at worst destroying the decoder. This is a similar problem that occurs when people get oil on the 6090x motor brushes.

I've had to replace every motor on this model I've seen to date and sometimes twice replaced before I worked out what was occurring and hassled M for real a fix.

: )
D
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#45 Posted : 22 October 2014 01:19:34(UTC)
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Thanks Dion, good info to know.

FYI, Dion is the NZ Marklin Dealer / Service agent, so is in a position to know the extent of any issues.
Offline H0  
#46 Posted : 22 October 2014 07:58:31(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: stevend Go to Quoted Post
The problem has been oil/lube getting into the motor.
Was it lube applied at the factory?
There are reports about other M* models that are over-greased at the factory, sometimes leading to sudden motor-death.

Märklin save a lot of money buying economic motors - OTOH they lose some of the saved money with increased warranty repairs.
Regards
Tom
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Offline digitaltrains  
#47 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:38:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pdiamd Go to Quoted Post
I see that Alfa V8 stated that the Br64 has a 3 pole motor.
People on Stummi's Forum compile information about Märklin's new three-pole motors.
BR 64 #39644 is said to have the same type of motor as BR 45 or Ce 6/8 II.
See here (German):
http://www.stummiforum.d...c.php?p=1164434#p1164434

Sure it's a can motor. Surely there ain't official information from Märklin beyond the spare part number.

Very likely it's a three-pole motor. Herr Bächle told us on Märklin TV that five-pole motors do not fit into the boiler of a steam loco (and coreless motors or brushless motors are too expensive).


Hello to all!

Now, this is really interesting post. So, this is famous (already) new three poll Marklin motor that actually worths 3 or so Euros and they are selling their models with it for hundreds of Euros....Cursing Isn't it a customer cheating?! Is this some kind of public robbery?!

I am collecting Marklin for 40 years now and such cheating I have never seen in my entire life! I do not have any model equiped with this motor, but I can say that it is not different then low cost DC models equiped by it....and there are no name of the manufacturer on it?!?!?

My personal opinion is that Marklin (my favorite company) is going down for good by selling "fog" to their faithful customers!
Offline RayF  
#48 Posted : 22 October 2014 12:53:47(UTC)
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That post was more than 6 months ago, and I believe we have thrashed the "3 pole motor" discussion to death now.

If you have this actual loco and want to post on the performance of your actual loco then do so, but please refrain from spreading this idle speculation....
Ray
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#49 Posted : 22 October 2014 13:03:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stevend Go to Quoted Post
Hi,

The problem has been oil/lube getting into the motor. The brushes over time disintegrate, the resulting conductive brush muck ends up in the slots between the commutators, this causes the motor to short out its poles resulting in very slow running as best, and at worst destroying the decoder. This is a similar problem that occurs when people get oil on the 6090x motor brushes.

I've had to replace every motor on this model I've seen to date and sometimes twice replaced before I worked out what was occurring and hassled M for real a fix.

: )
D


Pleased to hear Goofy has his Lok back and working well ThumpUp

As I haven't run my 39644 as yet I guess I should strip it, (need to to fit the smoke unit anyway), and remove the motor and check for excess lube Scared

I wonder how many other can motored new models this could apply to Unsure Mad

Thanks Dion for your contribution ThumpUp

I have four '64's, a fav of mine you could say Smile The SDS ones are a brilliant model ThumpUp
Glen
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Offline steventrain  
#50 Posted : 22 October 2014 13:45:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post


I have four '64's, a fav of mine you could say Smile The SDS ones are a brilliant model ThumpUp



I brought two 4-6 years ago - 39640 and 39641 came with SDS motor find no trouble at all!.ThumpUp

I think 39644 carry 3-poles?
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