Its out

GUI version 3.0.1 (February 2013)
• Bug Fix: suppressing effects in keyboard while STOP:
• Bug Fix: incomplete pending ghost locomotives delete quiet
• Bug Fix: ignore incomplete messages from Android App breastfeeding

GFP version 2.31
• Bug Fix: DCC read Config improved
• Feature: DCC read dynamics adjusted threshold and decay wait for LGB MTS turnout decoder
• Bug Fix: Provided mfx + DCC bit times with stretching. This helps against the bucking old Track1-MM-decoder 6095 (activated via setup-info-6095-config Mixmode (standard or wide))
• Bug Fix: Proper handover of the engine orientation to the PC even if the engine was not driven

MS2 version 1.83 in February 2013
• Bug Fix: Fixed losing the first locomotive in slave MS2

No android app yet

Marklins CS2 allows only maximum 16 functions.
You need an complete new software to upgrade functions.

I have updated my CS2 from 3.0.0 to 3.0.1.

It is still the same problem with DCC reading. The speedometer changes to 10, ACC delay shows the Vmin value etc.

(See this post) https://www.marklin-user...w-update-to-3-0-0.aspx?=


I sent to Marklin a report the february 4th but...still not resolved.

How could it be?

When I updated to 3.0.0 there was MS2 1.82 update.

Now It should be 1.83 or at least 1.82.

I think Someone at Marklin did not upload the right updates.

For example:


1. 2.1.7 BETA version uploaded
2. 3.0.0. (not 2.5 as was announced before) with bugs
3. 3.0.1 Still the same or new bugs.


I downgraded to 2.0.1. Maybe the most stable versions are 1.64 and 2.0.1

Yes, Protocole for 28 functions has been defined by NMRA, but, in practise those 28 functions rarely exist on decoders (at least in Europe)...& still many centrales don't have 28 functions.
I have seen some decoders with 22 functions....Anyway, those suplementary functions are only sound functions, still sound functions, again sound function, always sound functions....Still the same sound of trains that they have cut into slices . 1 more slice = 1 more function.


MFX+ decoders have now more than 16 functions . They are bidirectionnal functions. They are not sound functions.
With MFX+ the CS2 also offers much more than 16 functions.

Extra functions maybe, I have seen more than 16 used on Ecos, with Railcom Plus as it happens, in DCC mode with ESU Loksound V4 in a friends Marklin King Ludwig Lok in Australia, works very well. Registration to the Ecos was lightning fast
Anyhow you won't see Railcom Plus on the CS2, absolutly not

Somebody could tell me if he/she have the same problem as me with DCC decoders reading? (wrong values in Acc delay, V min and changes in the speedometer)

People who has installed SW 3.0.1 TFP 2.31.

I have downgraded first to 2.0.1 and my CS2 works fine with this.
I have downgraded now to 1.64 TFP 1.38.

With both SW versions DCC reading works and the values are written in the right boxes.


The fail reading only happens with 3.0.0 or 3.0.1

Edited by user 02 March 2013 19:22:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I think RAILCOM is not 100% compatible with mfx.

And maybe CS2 could have at least 21 functions in DCC mode. ESU ECOS has and in the early software versions of Marklin CS1 and ECOS there where less functions.

I am not sure that this is the correct question to ask.
i.e. it might help if you indicate what you wish to achieve.

Referring to Maerklins own documentation....

The list of functions posted way back in 60213 days includes an indication of 32 functions..
http://mediencms.maerklin.de/media.php/de/pdfs/CS2-Funktionssymbole.pdf
More icons have been added since then and , most of them are for sounds.

Further, the control definitions in the CAN documented references functions 0-31,
- But I point out that theoretically the whole byte is available with DLC=6 offering the possibility for 256 and that is direct addressing.
- Further again the function capability supports a "value" range of (currently documented) 0-31 - NOT JUST ON AND OFF.
"... the corresponding function is turned on, or activated with the corresponding dimming...."
- And if that wasn't enough DLC=8 adds "Select a value with special functions." .. whatever that may mean

So we now come back to at least 3 other parts of the equation
- Controller to track prototcol
- the decoders capabilities
- The ergonomics of controlling so many functions

Re Controller to track protocol
- From what I have seen there may need to be modification here (more likely the addition of another command). currently the basic mFX format on the track is a string representing the "state" of all functions either 4,8,16. This length of the string would become unwieldy if more functions were addressed this way. It is more likely that there will be a command with an individual function "address" and a qualifying state (or "value" if not On/Off)

Re Decoder capabilities
- Currently (Maerklin HO) decoders have a max number of 6 driver functions - if you want more no-sound function then another decoder is needed anyway
- Sounds already have the ability for configuration

Re Ergonomics.
- Please describe how you would lay these function buttons on the screen/console in such a way that they are meaningful and non confusing.
- I see consolidation of sound with function as being more logical - e.g. the raising of a pantograph should be accompanied with its sound - no need for 2 functions

I also note, in the update files list, the inclusion of the CAN spec for a "Model Clock" with references to setting a time scale from 1:1 to 1:60.

This may add a "difficulty" feature for mFX+ by changing the usage rate of the consumables like sand,water,coal ....
Or it may be for a new feature all together

Hi Peter,all,
"Fast clocks" are already built in to many DCC systems.
Other control programs,software, like Railroad&Co had these(fuel consumption,etc) 15 years ago!
Yes,putting the burden on the decoder seems a lot but can be done.


Dr D

Hello again.

The problem I said about the wrong writing to ACC delay, Vmin values and the way the speedometer changes to 10 when a DCC config is read in the CS2 does not affects to the internal decoders functioning. It only affects to speedometers in the control screen.

By there is some news. When I tried to read the configuration from some DCC decoders like ESU LP V3, LP V4 or ESU LS V3.5 and V4.0, the process so many times finished with a failed reading, more with ESU LS decoders and less with LP decoders.

My TRIX San Gottardo train, which have a DCC/selectrix decoder never could be readed. Even, when I tried to detect the address, it fails all times (receiving the message that locomotive could not be found).

I have never could read or write the CVs of the San Gottardo with CS2 (and with my MS2 it could be possible). But now, today, with 3.0.1 and TFP 2.31 software, my CS2 never fails reading configuration of a lot of DCC locomotives. I tried with LP V2, V3, V4, Loksound V4, Uhlenbrock 76320, and even my San Gottardo with the TRIX DCC decoder.

The reading/writing was successful all times.

My CS2 is 60214 HW 4.33.

So I can say that DCC reading configuration and writing CVs has been really enhanced (of fixed), at least in my CS2. The only thing that was not bug-fixed is the thing I mentioned before about the ACC delay, V min and speedometer. But it can be a solution if you write the right values manually.

Kind regards

Here's an overview of available Zimo decoders:
http://www.zimo.at/web20...oducts/lokdecoder_EN.htm

It seems the MX633 has 10 amplified function outputs, 2 unamplified function outputs, 2 servo function outputs - and SUSI if you need more ...
These are loco decoders.

Another point: with loco light functions, you may need more function keys than function outputs to support various configurations. Märklin use transistors on the loco PCB to support their F6/F8 light functions (cab 1 off, cab 2 off, double A lights). Advantage: works with default decoder settings.
For DIY solutions, I'd use decoder function mapping instead of extra transistors.

With DCC you can have a decoder in every coach, control the lights of every compartment - and set all decoders to the same address using different function keys - provided the controller allows more than 16 functions. This requires function decoders that support functions above 28 (which are available e.g. from Uhlenbrock).

ESU and Märklin play the same game: not more functions in the controller UI than in their own locomotives.

Re cable colours: AFAIK the Trix H0 decoders are all discontinued, so the 6096x decoders also aim at the 2R market where NMRA colours are widely used. The plug is included, but not soldered on (so they lose purchases from those who do not want to solder).

A 2013 Trix new item is a steamer with red and yellow LEDs in the firebox with a micro controller to run the lights - and that's N gauge. Well, that's a bit like a second decoder. Time will tell what this will lead to.

It doesn’t happen something if you connect MS2 when CS2 is running?

They many step back with MS2 update in the last minutes.

I updated my CS-2 and my MS-2 today without any problem.

I even tried the "main station" APP on my iPad mini and it work too

There's a repair procedure you might try:
https://www.marklin-user...4-Update.aspx#post260802

The old FAQ are still there:
http://www.maerklin.de/f...;sb=5&o=&fpart=1

They write it can take up to 5 minutes for the program to start. Not all USB memory sticks work with the CS2 (e.g. no NTFS AFAIK) and file names are case-sensitive.

It only made a backup of files.
I have pendrives with FAT32
Thank you and thanks to John

Today we has tried to update the CS2 with hardware 3.4 from my friend and was not succesfull. (Its software was 2.0.1 TFP 2.0)

The first time we tried to update the process ended with the blank screen in the CS2. Then we made a screen captured from a PC and we saw the main screen with the message "update was not succesfull", but the real CS2 screen was blank.

We unplugged the CS2, and started again. Then the software was 3.0.1 but TFP was 2.0 and the message to update TFP to 2.31 never appears.

We tried again with twice more but all times we have recieved the message "Update was not successful". Now this CS2 has SW 3.0.1 with 2.0 TFP.


What can we do now?


I repeat that with my CS2 HW 4.33 the update was succesful. Could it be that SW 3.0.1, TFP 2.31 is not compatible with HW 3.4?


UPDATED MESSAGE 07 MARCH 2013:

Finally we installed the 3.0.1 with tfp 2.31 software in the CS2 with HW 3.4. It was too difficult to update that CS2. All times we tried the CS2 screen came blank and we need to unplugged the CS2 to restart.
The software updated to 3.0.1 but we did not see the tfp in 2.31. It remained in 2.0. When we downgraded to 2.0.1 with USB the CS2 also gets hanged, and the screen came black a lot of times.
Finally we decided to try to downgrade the software to 1.6.4. We read in stummiforum that some people had the same problem and they solved it downgrading to 1.6.4. We tried to do this downloading the 1.6.4 file from maerklin.de and making the "updating" with USB pendrive.

This time we tried to donwgrade to 1.6.4, the screen came blank again but we left the CS2 about 2 hours (we have readed that a guy left his CS2 about 1.5 hours and , after that time, the central had awaked from "the eternal dream". We made a screenshot where we saw the main screen with the "update TFP to 1.38 message" but the real CS2 screen was blank. So we unplugged it again.
The software was 1.6.4 and TFP 2.0.
We were desperate. But at last we tried again with the USB 1.6.4 downgrade hoping this time the CS2 screen did not came blank, and we had the possibility to change the TFP version to 1.38. We left the LAN wire plugged in CS2 with we selected the USB STICK.
This time, the CS2 screen did not came blank. When the CS2 restarted from this last "update" ¡THE SOFTWARE WAS 3.0.1! and we saw the message to update TFP to 2.31.
We do not know why this final update was by Internet if had selected to USB STICK but

¡WE DID IT!

Edited by user 07 March 2013 11:25:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Thank you very much Eduardo. I request all people who suffered this problem updating their CS2 to report the problem here saying which Hardware has the CS2 and the software installed before the updating.




Some people reported similar problems in stummiforum. I don´t Know if I can write the URL of that messages in stummi here because it is other forum.

Kind regards

Edit: It's fully ok to refer to other forums/sites with links, no worries... Information sharing is good, and it works both ways with eg Stummi's! /Webmaster


Ok the link is:

http://www.cs2.stummifor...php?t=85894&p=970223

I did manage to program the 7686 box thru computer and TC8 so something must be wrong with the latest update

If there are troubles with the update than remind that you need a lot of time of about 90 - 120 minutes. Leave the CS2 and return after that time. If not successfull than try to do the usb-stick update with 1.6.4.. That also takes about 90 minutes. After that try the on-line update and see that you will be successfull in a few minutes with version 3.0.1.

With MFX+ you have some more things to try out.
In the lay-out you can place some icons for a place to stop and load. (sand, water, and other things in the lay-out for the S-88-symbol).

Steamer 01

Today I have connected my CS2 to Internet for update. I wanted to see if there were some new updates.

Here is a piece my update-log. It is automatic translated to spanish by the Google Chrome browser. Sorry.

You can see there is an update for the mSD.

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tamaño total es de 317,52 77458818 aceleración es
la actualización se realizó con éxito en update_server1
ERG = 0

UPDATED 30/MARCH/2013:

NEW MINOR UPDATES FOR MS2 DATABASE AND MARKLIN LOK-DECODERS.

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das Update über update_server1 war erfolgreich
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Edited by user 30 March 2013 15:02:35(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Hello

For me is the same as yours.

This minor updates changed some features of CS2 like the messages (this info is for the files that have been downloaded) situated below the progress bar. There is also a MS2 update (loco database) and updates for the lokdecoder.

Now update to MS2 1.83 after update again CS2.