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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#1 Posted : 17 December 2012 21:10:42(UTC)
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Has anyone try this tool yet ?

mDecoderTool

I am download soundlibrary right now 280MB, will be interesting what's inside Cool
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Offline FrankF  
#2 Posted : 17 December 2012 21:57:41(UTC)
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I Have already installed the mDecoderTool-Software from Marklin and it looks very good from my point of view.

But take a look yourself at the pictures i have uploaded :
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#3 Posted : 17 December 2012 22:08:10(UTC)
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Download in English?
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#4 Posted : 17 December 2012 22:24:59(UTC)
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During setup you can choose between four languages (IIRC German, English, French, Dutch).
The software requires version 2.1 on the CS2.
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#5 Posted : 17 December 2012 22:44:13(UTC)
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Should PC need a USB cable between CS2 ?
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#6 Posted : 17 December 2012 22:52:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
Should PC need a USB cable between CS2?
No, USB memory stick moved between PC and CS2.
Create the project on the PC, save it on USB stick, then move to CS2 and update the loco.

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Offline GSRR  
#7 Posted : 17 December 2012 23:11:39(UTC)
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Have the mSD sound decoders been installed in new production items yet, or is it still just an add on kit?



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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#8 Posted : 17 December 2012 23:12:23(UTC)
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No, USB memory stick moved between PC and CS2.
Create the project on the PC, save it on USB stick, then move to CS2 and update the loco.

Com1 port under Settings > Programming > Sound Confused

Missing sound for NOHAB and Rc/1043 engine Sneaky
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#9 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:43:44(UTC)
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"Sie können sogar eigene aufgenommene WAV-Files umwandeln und der Soundbibliothek hinzufügen."

translated:

You can even convert your own recorded WAV files and add them to the sound library.


This looks to be very cool ThumpUp , I think this is what many of us have been waiting for and I like the fact that no new programming hardware is required. I am really looking forward to playing around with the tool. I will try it out with a mLD equipped Loco soon and hopefully someday will be creating new sound files for the programmable sound decoders, I have installed.

Gordon

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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#10 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:50:51(UTC)
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Has anyone managed to open existing project from M site ?
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#11 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:59:41(UTC)
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I think I have wait for for the CS2 software version 2.1 to be re-released in final form before I can get started Huh .
Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 18 December 2012 07:37:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
Com1 port under Settings > Programming > Sound Confused
That's for the new 60801 Märklin Programmer (Com1 doesn't sound like USB, sounds like a legacy port).

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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#13 Posted : 20 December 2012 21:07:17(UTC)
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Only 21MTC Sound decoder and not possible to connection for rail Confused
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Offline GSRR  
#14 Posted : 20 December 2012 21:18:14(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post




Nice score on the photo, not even in the database yet? I wonder if there will be a test board with a motor for the decoder prior to installation like ESU?


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#15 Posted : 20 December 2012 21:41:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
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Only 21MTC Sound decoder and not possible to connection for rail Confused


I think that having the direct 21MTC connection will be a big advantage. I'd imagine programming with this must be much quicker than with the CS2. The data rate over rail is very limited.
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Offline jeehring  
#16 Posted : 20 December 2012 22:17:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GSRR Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post




Nice score on the photo, not even in the database yet? I wonder if there will be a test board with a motor for the decoder prior to installation like ESU?


r/Thomas




Even with ESU programmer, you have to buy the Test Board separately...$$$$$$$.....
Anyway, once you have programmed with Marklin sound programmer, I think you can use the ESU test board....
Two wires from a piece of track connected to MS2
IMO, the ESU test board should be compatible with any kind of decoders....Only one thing must be checked : the impedance of the speaker installed on it. (Must be similar to Marklin speakers impedance)

It seems that ESU made it more or less for shops or workshops. As an enthusiast I find it somewhat useless ...we cannot get the same sound as a speaker is mounted into a lok....
Our Loks are the best Test board of the world....Wink
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#17 Posted : 20 December 2012 22:17:19(UTC)
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More info haertle.de
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Offline jeehring  
#18 Posted : 21 December 2012 01:47:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
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Only 21MTC Sound decoder and not possible to connection for rail Confused


I think that having the direct 21MTC connection will be a big advantage. I'd imagine programming with this must be much quicker than with the CS2. The data rate over rail is very limited.


About programming, electrical contacts must be perfect, that's why programmation track and wheels have to be clean.
Yes, direct MTC connection is advantage over the ESU Lokprogrammer as well. (over many other programmers too)
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Offline jeehring  
#19 Posted : 21 December 2012 12:26:09(UTC)
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...finally, I don't think that data transfert from a Sound programmer is time saver for the operator ...I rather think that direct connection with the decoder is more "safe"....I often have read that people may encounter problems with programming on the track, just because wheels and rails are not clean.
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Offline pa-pauls  
#20 Posted : 21 December 2012 13:09:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
IMO, the ESU test board should be compatible with any kind of decoders....
Only one thing must be checked : the impedance of the speaker installed on it. (Must be similar to Marklin speakers impedance)


On the newest version of the ESU test board there is a switch. You can choose OFF, 100 Ohm ore 16 Ohm for the speaker.
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Offline H0  
#21 Posted : 21 December 2012 14:50:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
...finally, I don't think that data transfert from a Sound programmer is time saver for the operator ...
The programmer is for dealers. They take the decoder out of the box, plug it in the programmer, transfer the sounds, and put it back into the box.

It's not such a big time saver for decoders that are already in a loco (but on Stummi's Forum they write that it can take up to 30 minutes to update the sounds from the CS2).
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Offline Mark5  
#22 Posted : 22 December 2012 08:21:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post

Even with ESU programmer, you have to buy the Test Board separately...$$$$$$$.....
Anyway, once you have programmed with Marklin sound programmer, I think you can use the ESU test board....
Two wires from a piece of track connected to MS2
IMO, the ESU test board should be compatible with any kind of decoders....Only one thing must be checked : the impedance of the speaker installed on it. (Must be similar to Marklin speakers impedance)

It seems that ESU made it more or less for shops or workshops. As an enthusiast I find it somewhat useless ...we cannot get the same sound as a speaker is mounted into a lok....
Our Loks are the best Test board of the world....Wink


Is the question of transfer a matter of time or also of possible corruptibility of the file?
If plugging in the decoder directly produces better results, why would anyone not bother to do it that way?
I would just unscrew the cover of the lok and plug in the decoder....

BTW ... I suppose this is OT but... Can all this be done with ESU equipment?...
and if so which equipment to program sound.
I am guessing there have been posts on this already.
If anyone knows which posts, please send a link.
I'd love to read the discussion.
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#23 Posted : 22 December 2012 09:12:29(UTC)
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BTW ... I suppose this is OT but... Can all this be done with ESU equipment?...
Sure. For ESU decoders this can be done with ESU equipment. For Zimo decoders this can be done with Zimo equipment. For Uhlenbrock decoders this can be done with Uhlenbrock equipment. For Märklin decoders this can be done with Märklin equipment.

So better stick with the decoders you like best.

The ESU decoder might work with decoders from other brands (but I don't know if the AUX3/4 problem plays a role here).
Regards
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#24 Posted : 22 December 2012 10:11:21(UTC)
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M application doesn’t work with ESU programing box, try that yesterday…

I have done a lot of programing with engine on rail with EUS equipment without any issues, it never take any 30 minutes to get the sound uploaded.

It’s only when you have a SDS engine like the Swedish T44 that you need to use ESU test bench with 21MTC
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#25 Posted : 22 December 2012 10:37:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
I have done a lot of programing with engine on rail with EUS equipment without any issues, it never take any 30 minutes to get the sound uploaded.
The ESU programmer doesn't use the normal mfx programming mode, but a proprietary ESU mode (and therefore it only works with ESU mfx decoders).

Originally Posted by: jonas_sthlm Go to Quoted Post
It’s only when you have a SDS engine like the Swedish T44 that you need to use ESU test bench with 21MTC
If you don't have the test bench, you can still put the decoder into any non-SDS loco and do the programming there.

As I wrote before: when it comes to sound updates, there are no public standards and every company uses own proprietary solutions.
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#26 Posted : 01 February 2014 17:31:57(UTC)
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Hi all,

After many retrofits of old locos with new mLD / mSD, I decided to create my own decoder-tester, which I use to test and/or programme and update the decoders before I put them in the locomotive.
I find this way easier and safer rather than testing the locos on tracks with a bad electrical connection and having the locomotive in front of me.

I'm sharing the idea for anyone who likes it


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#27 Posted : 01 February 2014 19:47:12(UTC)
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Very Cool DimitrisThumpUp ThumpUp That is a great idea, I think I will build one too when I have a spare mSD/mSD mounting board. I too have the need for a tester as many times I do not have the loco available for programming or testing.

Just last week I decided to upgrade my Delta 3374 to mLD and it now serves as my "test mule" for mSD programming. With a easy to remove housing and plenty of room under the hood it makes for a great test bed.

3374 with mSD decoder

Cheers,

Gordon

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#28 Posted : 01 February 2014 20:14:25(UTC)
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http://www.esu.eu/en/products/decoder-tester/

I added a green led to mine so I could readily tell which way the motor was running.
Matt
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Offline jonas_sthlm  
#29 Posted : 14 September 2014 13:59:50(UTC)
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Anyone playing creating your own sound Project ?

I am interesting to know how motor sound files can be mapped inside tool Confused

It's about 65 files inside excited motor from M files Huh

Try to do my own project for Da-engine and is already in place now and working fine...

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#30 Posted : 21 September 2014 18:45:12(UTC)
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No one who knows how to put together its own Engine (motor) sound Confused
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#31 Posted : 22 September 2014 17:53:10(UTC)
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Hello Jonas!

Rodrigo from Argentina (username RodLinar) it's working on a self made sound/motor decoder for analog Märklins. (to be digitilized)

Maybe you both could exchange experiences.

Cheers,

Walter

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#32 Posted : 03 October 2014 05:58:07(UTC)
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Hello Jonas!

Rodrigo from Argentina (username RodLinar) it's working on a self made sound/motor decoder for analog Märklins. (to be digitilized)

Maybe you both could exchange experiences.

Cheers,

Walter


Thanks for the suggestion, I contacted, but no response yet

Inside document (Sounddecoder Beschreibung Rel01.pdf) that downloads thru CS2 Sound update to USB stick says ToDo since 27.03.2012.....

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#33 Posted : 03 October 2014 13:17:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: waorb Go to Quoted Post

Rodrigo from Argentina (username RodLinar) it's working on a self made sound/motor decoder for analog Märklins. (to be digitilized)
Maybe you both could exchange experiences.

Thanks for the suggestion, I contacted, but no response yet

Maybe you should contact him directly via his website:
(contact form)

http://www.trenesdigitales.com.ar/es/5-decoders

Cheers,

Walter
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