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Offline steventrain  
#1 Posted : 04 November 2012 20:42:03(UTC)
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Marklin will be announced a Insider 2013 in three weeks time.

What is your tip for Insider 2013?

For me will be a BR06 or New tooling BR03 streamlined.

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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 04 November 2012 22:39:52(UTC)
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Hi!

Some information from previous years: Märklin made a poll amongst the insider club members.
The locos on the list can be found here:
http://www.marklin-users...or-Marklin-Insiders.aspx

And the Top 6 results can be found here:
http://m-users.net/forum...-Personal-Favourite.aspx

After the 2012 era IV electric BR 403/404, I think we're in for a steamer, era II or era III.
So maybe BR 06. Or something completely different.
I'd love the V 320 or the E 95 (era III).

I think it'll be a loco from the poll. I don't know if the Top 6 models come first.
Regards
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 04 November 2012 22:57:18(UTC)
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I'd be happy with either the Br58 or the Br06 (even though I have the Brawa Br06).
Offline Armando  
#4 Posted : 04 November 2012 23:52:40(UTC)
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BR 06 or V 320 for me!
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline mrmarklin  
#5 Posted : 05 November 2012 01:59:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Marklin will be announced a Insider 2013 in three weeks time.

What is your tip for Insider 2013?

For me will be a BR06 or New tooling BR03 streamlined.


Just got back from Germany a week ago. All my sources tell me it will be Era III. That's all anyone would say.Angry
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Offline mike c  
#6 Posted : 05 November 2012 02:06:19(UTC)
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Here are my five cents:

My first choice would be BLS Re 4/4 or Ae 4/4 http://www.railfaneurope...4/166-180/174-bls-mt.jpg
Second choice would be SBB Ae 4/7 http://www.railfaneurope.../historic/Ae4_7/ae47.jpg
Third choice would be DB BR 411/415 ICE T http://www.railfaneurope.../Dresden/415DH_halle.jpg
Fourth choice would be DB BR 423 trainset http://www.railfaneurope...esseldorf/100721-132.jpg
Fifth choice would be DR VT18 http://www.railfaneurope...bona_Express_10.1974.jpg

I don't know if any of them have already figured on Maerklin's list, but they are all interesting models

Regards

Mike C
Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 05 November 2012 08:23:29(UTC)
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I'm hoping for the Br58. Last time we voted it came out on top, as I recall.

We need more of the pre-standardisation freight locos, to balance the Br44/50/52 gluts in our collections! BigGrin

Mind you, I still need to add the Br59 (Wurtemberg K) to my roster.

Maybe one day we'll also get a proper Br42 made by Marklin. (Not an oil fired Br41....)
Ray

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Offline 2fingers  
#8 Posted : 05 November 2012 09:30:09(UTC)
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I'll have a guess at a wittfeld akkutriebwagen.


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Offline foumaro  
#9 Posted : 05 November 2012 10:40:49(UTC)
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I do not have a BR 44 yet in my collection.LOL Love ThumpUp
Offline jeehring  
#10 Posted : 05 November 2012 13:31:44(UTC)
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...are there anyone here who knows but does not say..? ...Blink.....Angry ...... RollEyes RollEyes

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 05 November 2012 22:44:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
I do not have a BR 44 yet in my collection.LOL Love ThumpUp


That's heresy! How can you call yourself a Marklinist and not own a Br44?? Confused

I have 6 Br44's! Blushing Blushing
Offline kimballthurlow  
#12 Posted : 06 November 2012 01:04:48(UTC)
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Hi,

Reading a review of the streamlined BR06, of which there were only 2 (last one scrapped in 1951), I can say that I am not interested in such a large, rare loco. Of course that means the exact opposite for many Marklinists, who will assuredly like it. Same goes for the E95, which was a bit of an oddity, six engines.

Now Brawa make both these locos in HO, so you would wonder why Marklin would be bothered. And are the polls reflected in the final purchases? "My friend has a Brawa E95, so I want one if it's a Marklin" sort of attitude. Mind you, I will probably never buy a Brawa, even though I am attractred to their BR19, purely for its historical place in technology.

However, the BR58 might be a nice addition to the steam roster, as it has many uses on a railway. A bit like the Class 56 released this year. Ubiquitous, and representative of a real railway.

And no, David, I don't own a BR44. Just can't get excited by that bulk. My BR95 has a similar look and feel, and I think I will sell it.

regards
Kimball

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 06 November 2012 01:44:03(UTC)
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I'm kidding of course and firmly have my tongue imbedded in my cheek when I make that sort of comment. Not everyone likes big heavy locos, but I must admit that there's something I like about the Br44's. Now all I need is a G800/GN800/3027/3047 to complete things. Here's hoping for a 30470 in this coming year.
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Offline foumaro  
#14 Posted : 06 November 2012 04:23:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
I do not have a BR 44 yet in my collection.LOL Love ThumpUp


That's heresy! How can you call yourself a Marklinist and not own a Br44?? Confused

I have 6 Br44's! Blushing Blushing


I am waiting for the insider's edition.LOL Love
Anyway i forgot my analog 3047,so i do not have a digital BR 44 yet.LOL
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#15 Posted : 06 November 2012 05:06:03(UTC)
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LOL BigGrin

Ah, a true Marklinist indeed.....he forgot what he owns! Laugh
Offline Armando  
#16 Posted : 06 November 2012 05:41:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Here are my five cents:

Fifth choice would be DR VT18 http://www.railfaneurope...bona_Express_10.1974.jpg

I don't know if any of them have already figured on Maerklin's list, but they are all interesting models

Regards

Mike C


I vote for your fifth choice, the DR VT18. It is high time Marklin made this model, but only in metal and 1:87, please!

Cheers!
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline foumaro  
#17 Posted : 06 November 2012 16:52:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
LOL BigGrin

Ah, a true Marklinist indeed.....he forgot what he owns! Laugh


I am in love with them and i lost my mind.Love LOL
Offline RayF  
#18 Posted : 06 November 2012 17:56:38(UTC)
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Have I missed something? Did Marklin release a model of a class 56 this year? Oh, it's the Insider model, I forgot about that one...
Ray

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#19 Posted : 06 November 2012 19:38:45(UTC)
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Not sure if it's this thread, but everyone seems rather forgetful! BigGrinLOL

So here's a reminder.....Marklin 37563 Br56 2012 Insider Model

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Offline RayF  
#20 Posted : 07 November 2012 11:26:08(UTC)
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Thanks for the photo, David. ThumpUp

It's funny how I forgot all about this great looking loco. It should be coming out soon, I guess?

It seems to me that less members on the forum are into the new models at the moment. If you check new posts and topics in recent months there seems to be a greater interest in collectors pieces from the '40s and '50s than in current models. I think those who have bought old models are getting more responses than those who are showing off new ones.

I think there's bound to be ebbs and flows in interest in different aspects of the hobby. A couple of years ago every other post was about digital protocols and comparisons of different controllers, which was a major yawn for me!

I personally would like to hear more comments from those who have bought the new models from 2012, more reviews, and photos of these locos on their layouts.

...and of course, within this thread I want to see more suggestions of locos that Marklin could produce in 2013!
Ray

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#21 Posted : 08 November 2012 08:45:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the photo, David. ThumpUp

It's funny how I forgot all about this great looking loco. It should be coming out soon, I guess?

It seems to me that less members on the forum are into the new models at the moment. If you check new posts and topics in recent months there seems to be a greater interest in collectors pieces from the '40s and '50s than in current models. ........


Hi Ray,

That Class 56, of which I have one on order, reminds me of the typical Queensland freight engine. it ran on a 3'6" track, was a 4-8-0, but the look of the small boiler, high chimney and domes, and commodius cab were similar. So I like it.

I buy about 2 new engines a year, and usually one will be the Insider model. I love the new digital age, but especially from Marklin, as they are so well engineered, and the presentation (paint, lettering, detail) is faultless. I reserve my passion for the older stuff, to the English 1950s Hornby Dublo 3 rail.

But the opinions from members here, on what Marklin OUGHT to produce, are interesting.

regards
Kimball


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Offline Marius in Africa  
#22 Posted : 10 November 2012 11:02:09(UTC)
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How about a change of continents for the insider model, an ALCO PA1 A-B-A unit in New York Central colours.
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Offline DamonKelly  
#23 Posted : 10 November 2012 15:08:59(UTC)
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How about a change of continents for the insider model, an ALCO PA1 A-B-A unit in New York Central colours.


Go further...a Shinkansen...Blink
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Offline Marius in Africa  
#24 Posted : 10 November 2012 16:07:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DamonKelly Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
How about a change of continents for the insider model, an ALCO PA1 A-B-A unit in New York Central colours.


Go further...a Shinkansen...Blink


I think Marklin is far too conservative for a "Shinkansen", maybe Brawa will produce one.BigGrin
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Offline foumaro  
#25 Posted : 10 November 2012 17:27:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
How about a change of continents for the insider model, an ALCO PA1 A-B-A unit in New York Central colours.


I am fully agree with you.The best idea.LOL Drool Love ThumpUp Wub
Offline steventrain  
#26 Posted : 20 November 2012 21:14:52(UTC)
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I think the V320 is favorites if no steam for 2013.

Edited by user 20 November 2012 21:22:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline nilkram58  
#27 Posted : 20 November 2012 22:38:20(UTC)
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I personally put my bet on the V 320 or the Br58 !!!
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Offline 2fingers  
#28 Posted : 22 November 2012 00:16:59(UTC)
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The new insider ho loc is a br58. From 3rail forum.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#29 Posted : 22 November 2012 00:36:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 2fingers Go to Quoted Post
The new insider ho loc is a br58. From 3rail forum.


Do you have a link to the post on the 3rail forum?
Offline shannon  
#30 Posted : 22 November 2012 01:33:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: 2fingers Go to Quoted Post
The new insider ho loc is a br58. From 3rail forum.


Do you have a link to the post on the 3rail forum?


http://forum.3rail.nl/index.php

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#31 Posted : 22 November 2012 02:33:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shannon Go to Quoted Post
http://forum.3rail.nl/index.php


Yes, I already know where the 3 Rail Forum is, what I meant was a link to the actual thread that advises the Br58 is confirmed as the 2013 Insider model.
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#32 Posted : 22 November 2012 02:51:46(UTC)
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Offline vilithejou  
#33 Posted : 22 November 2012 06:51:39(UTC)
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The new insider ho loc is a br58. From 3rail forum.


Many Thanks and so interesting....
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#34 Posted : 22 November 2012 07:24:43(UTC)
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And to save us all having to look elsewhere........

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Offline foumaro  
#35 Posted : 22 November 2012 07:50:12(UTC)
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First time i see the "DCC" to the symbols we usually reading in the marklin's katalogs.
Offline pab  
#36 Posted : 22 November 2012 08:45:41(UTC)
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The HO insider model 2013 will be the BR 58, early era III

See Märklin tv folge 56



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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#37 Posted : 22 November 2012 09:15:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pab Go to Quoted Post
The HO insider model 2013 will be the BR 58, early era III


There's already a 2013 Insider loco topic, so have merged Piet's thread with that one.
Offline Sander van Wijk  
#38 Posted : 22 November 2012 11:13:41(UTC)
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Good to see this message has spread already within the community! Herewith a link to Märklin TV: http://www.maerklin.de/d...chungen/maerklin-tv.html

Regards,
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Offline pab  
#39 Posted : 22 November 2012 13:53:35(UTC)
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Märklin announced the insider model for 2013.
It's the BR 58. A set with sevel coal cars will be available too.

See the märklin website and Märklin TV episode 56 (in german only for now)

See also insidernews from Cologne

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Offline pab  
#40 Posted : 22 November 2012 14:56:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pab Go to Quoted Post
The HO insider model 2013 will be the BR 58, early era III


There's already a 2013 Insider loco topic, so have merged Piet's thread with that one.


I thought my thread was lost, so I made a new one. Maybe it's better to lock the old one with a link to the new place.
But I think M topic is a better place than the general topic.
Offline Marius in Africa  
#41 Posted : 22 November 2012 17:04:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pab Go to Quoted Post
Märklin announced the insider model for 2013.
It's the BR 58. A set with sevel coal cars will be available too.

See the märklin website and Märklin TV episode 56 (in german only for now)

See also insidernews from Cologne


For those who can read Dutch:

http://forum.3rail.nl/index.php?topic=39835.0

regards
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Offline jeehring  
#42 Posted : 22 November 2012 18:17:14(UTC)
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should be OK for me...
I'll go for this model, at least two good points, I like ERA IIIa, I like the telex coupling.....

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Offline sudhir36  
#43 Posted : 22 November 2012 18:52:59(UTC)
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And also comes equipped with 7226 smoke generator unitBigGrin LOL Flapper
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#44 Posted : 22 November 2012 19:25:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pab Go to Quoted Post
But I think M topic is a better place than the general topic.


I think you're right, this doesn't belong in 'General MRR'. Have moved thread to 'News from Marklin'.
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Offline Sergi  
#45 Posted : 22 November 2012 19:43:08(UTC)
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This is a authentic Insider model for me !. I prefer always a steam locomotive...Love
Here a comparation with the BR 58 311..

A comparation BR 58's


Really nice!. Now... save money !!!!

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Offline H0  
#46 Posted : 22 November 2012 20:39:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sudhir36 Go to Quoted Post
And also comes equipped with 7226 smoke generator unit
In Märklin TV they say the smoke generator is included in the box.
The leaflets shown in this thread say the same.

The 7226 can be installed without opening the loco, so it makes no big difference.

Regards
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Offline steventrain  
#47 Posted : 22 November 2012 21:00:46(UTC)
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Insider club wagon.

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Offline steventrain  
#48 Posted : 22 November 2012 21:44:08(UTC)
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Insider 46026 7 pack of coal wagon with loads black weathered for BR58 model.
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#49 Posted : 22 November 2012 21:54:00(UTC)
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Hi all,

Just wondering; what will the new Profi club car look like? Usually those are of much more interest to me, as these are mainly Bavarian era I models... :)

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Offline applor  
#50 Posted : 23 November 2012 00:57:37(UTC)
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I hadn't planned on buying any trains for a while but now Marklin go and release an eraIIIa insider model!
Guess I'll be making an exception then:)
Eric Fuhrmann - modelling 1954 Germany (era IIIa)
Offline Marius in Africa  
#51 Posted : 23 November 2012 13:41:30(UTC)
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Start a polling thread, let's see what percentage of members plan to purchase this model.
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Offline mjrallare  
#52 Posted : 23 November 2012 18:36:53(UTC)
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Good news indeed! Steamer and era IIIa, couldn't be better. ThumpUp

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Offline kbvrod  
#53 Posted : 23 November 2012 20:13:04(UTC)
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Hi all,
The BR 58.* is Epoch 3a,retired in 1953.DB only,not DR,...

Dr Dirt
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#54 Posted : 23 November 2012 21:05:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marius in Africa Go to Quoted Post
Start a polling thread, let's see what percentage of members plan to purchase this model.


Nothing to stop you creating a poll yourself, Marius!

However, for consistency sake, I've added a poll to this thread.
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Offline steventrain  
#55 Posted : 23 November 2012 21:23:57(UTC)
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I vote yes for BR58.
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Offline vilithejou  
#56 Posted : 23 November 2012 21:26:31(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
I vote yes for BR58.


Me too
Joan Vilarrúbia
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#57 Posted : 23 November 2012 21:26:50(UTC)
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As I thought you would Stephen! ThumpUp


I voted Maybe - being an Outsider, it depends whether I can get my hands on one, and that there aren't too many other things that need doing!
Offline shannon  
#58 Posted : 24 November 2012 00:01:16(UTC)
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i cannot help comparing with Rivarossi Br58 released in 2009.

All new tooling with surprisingly realistic third cylinder and active inner crank was as the level of brass car manufacturing. Metal bodyshell and boiler driving were the same as marklin

Why marklin didnt think about doing the same or surpass rivarossi?

Edited by user 24 November 2012 00:09:29(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline foumaro  
#59 Posted : 24 November 2012 04:15:02(UTC)
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No for me,i have other priorities.
Offline I_love_Marklin_37538  
#60 Posted : 24 November 2012 04:38:25(UTC)
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Looking at the BR58,its a Baden loco
Offline H0  
#61 Posted : 24 November 2012 07:51:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 Go to Quoted Post
Looking at the BR58,its a Baden loco
The prototype of the Märklin model, 58 1836, was a Prussian loco, formerly known as Frankfurt 5670.
Regards
Tom
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Offline steventrain  
#62 Posted : 24 November 2012 08:36:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shannon Go to Quoted Post
i cannot help comparing with Rivarossi Br58 released in 2009.

All new tooling with surprisingly realistic third cylinder and active inner crank was as the level of brass car manufacturing. Metal bodyshell and boiler driving were the same as marklin



The other forum members have a problem with Hornby BR58.

http://www.modelrailforu...index.php?showtopic=4833
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Offline RayF  
#63 Posted : 24 November 2012 08:54:22(UTC)
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I really like this loco, but as an outsider I can't guarantee I'll be able to get one straight away. I voted "Maybe".

Also, it is going to compete with the Br56 from this year which I also like...
Ray

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Offline pab  
#64 Posted : 24 November 2012 09:45:26(UTC)
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I will order the BR 58, maybe the car set too.
Offline NS1200  
#65 Posted : 26 November 2012 20:53:38(UTC)
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I saw the Insider Br58 at the IMA fair in Cologne over the weekend.
Pictures to follow tomorrow.
Maerklin:the dream will live on!
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#66 Posted : 26 November 2012 21:57:31(UTC)
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Hmmm... I don't think I need another 2-10-0.
Interesting engine though, and one that tempts me.

regards
Kimball
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#67 Posted : 27 November 2012 11:14:07(UTC)
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If I will buy a BR 58, it's going to be the Rivarossi model. Sorry, but I'm not willing to pay nearly 400 € for a just normal steam loco. Moreover, I prefer an Eastern German DR version, rather than a DB version, because the BR 58 didn't last long in Western Germany. The last one was withdrawn from DB service in 1953, as the DB owned large numbers of BR 50.

In Eastern Germany, BR 58 remained in service until 1976.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#68 Posted : 27 November 2012 11:41:20(UTC)
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Hi all,

I have voted maybe on this one. Not because I do not know yet whether I will buy a BR 58, but mainly for the simple reason I will not be buying any other than Era I models. Thus, I am eagerly awaiting an Era I version of this BR 58. That could among others be a Prussian, Baden or Wúrttemberg version, with the latter one being the most interesting one to me. Perhaps I will have to have some more patience for one of these versions to be produced, probably as an MHI model.

Regards,
Sander

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Offline NS1200  
#69 Posted : 27 November 2012 19:32:29(UTC)
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My pixs of the H0 Insider loco 2013,taken at the IMA fair at Cologne last weekend.
Apologies for the less than perfect quality,loco was locked up in a glass showcase.
NS1200 attached the following image(s):
IMG_2796.jpg
IMG_2795.jpg
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Offline I_love_Marklin_37538  
#70 Posted : 28 November 2012 00:41:14(UTC)
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Is the BR58 a DB or DR loco?
Offline H0  
#71 Posted : 28 November 2012 07:21:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: I_love_Marklin_37538 Go to Quoted Post
Is the BR58 a DB or DR loco?
The 2013 H0 Insider model is BR 58.10-21, era III, DB. The loco was build in era I for the Prussian railways, so it's neither a DB nor a DR loco (speaking about the construction).

Regards
Tom
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Offline steventrain  
#72 Posted : 30 November 2012 20:29:30(UTC)
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Order for BR58 deadline 31 March 2013.
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Offline Goofy  
#73 Posted : 02 December 2012 07:51:02(UTC)
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I don´t like Marklins new telex couple!
It´s too big and clumsy.
It´s not nice to put like that on the tender.
It´s not even charming to do that!
Lenz telex couple is the best that you can get in the market.
ESU new V60 shall use Lenz telex couple.
Marklin should do that too!!!

Sincerely
Anders

DCC
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Offline H0  
#74 Posted : 02 December 2012 09:19:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I don´t like Marklins new telex couple!
It´s too big and clumsy.
It´s not nice to put like that on the tender.
Correct, it's big. Not too bad with steamers where you have only one. Looks worse with diesel and electric where you have them on both sides.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Lenz telex couple is the best that you can get in the market.
Never tried them. I'm afraid they won't work fine with my preferred Roco universal coupler. Probably won't work well with Märklin's close coupler either.
The coupler mechanism must be inside the loco - the digital couplers from Märklin and Roco fit into any NEM pocket.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
ESU new V60 shall use Lenz telex couple.
One reason to avoid that ESU loco.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Marklin should do that too!!!
Why should they use Telex couplers that do not work well with their own close couplers?
I'd rather have a normal close coupler with guide mechanism than such a Lenz hook.
Well, as always there are different possible solutions - and you won't find a single solution that makes everybody happy.

It's easy to remove the Märklin Telex and replace it with any NEM coupler. You can't do that with the Lenz coupler.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#75 Posted : 02 December 2012 10:53:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I don´t like Marklins new telex couple!
It´s too big and clumsy.
It´s not nice to put like that on the tender.
Correct, it's big. Not too bad with steamers where you have only one. Looks worse with diesel and electric where you have them on both sides.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Lenz telex couple is the best that you can get in the market.
Never tried them. I'm afraid they won't work fine with my preferred Roco universal coupler. Probably won't work well with Märklin's close coupler either.
The coupler mechanism must be inside the loco - the digital couplers from Märklin and Roco fit into any NEM pocket.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
ESU new V60 shall use Lenz telex couple.
One reason to avoid that ESU loco.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Marklin should do that too!!!
Why should they use Telex couplers that do not work well with their own close couplers?
I'd rather have a normal close coupler with guide mechanism than such a Lenz hook.
Well, as always there are different possible solutions - and you won't find a single solution that makes everybody happy.

It's easy to remove the Märklin Telex and replace it with any NEM coupler. You can't do that with the Lenz coupler.


Lenz telex couple are suitable with Marklin,Roco and Brawa NEM short couples.
In fact you don´t need to change out telex couple on the locomotiv(s).
Why...???
I did had an Lenz diesel V36 with telex couple and can only say...it works perfect!
Marklins new telex couple is really ugly and to put that into BR58 is horrible!

Sincerely
Anders

DCC
Bayern,Preussen and Wurtemberg
Era 1a-b





Offline steventrain  
#76 Posted : 02 December 2012 10:55:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
My pixs of the H0 Insider loco 2013,taken at the IMA fair at Cologne last weekend.
Apologies for the less than perfect quality,loco was locked up in a glass showcase.


Nice pictures.
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Offline Goofy  
#77 Posted : 02 December 2012 11:22:14(UTC)
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With this telex couple on the BR58 it would be nice!
Check this video...
www.digital-plus.de/media/koef_derfilm.php
Sincerely
Anders

DCC
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Era 1a-b





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Offline Sergi  
#78 Posted : 02 December 2012 17:13:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I don´t like Marklins new telex couple!
It´s too big and clumsy.
It´s not nice to put like that on the tender.
It´s not even charming to do that!
Lenz telex couple is the best that you can get in the market.
ESU new V60 shall use Lenz telex couple.
Marklin should do that too!!!



Absolutely agree!. I don't have no locomotive with this coupling.
Today I saw the new BR 212. I liked it, but I'll wait without coupling (and without sound....). Well... cheaper.
Offline steventrain  
#79 Posted : 04 December 2012 20:44:47(UTC)
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BR58 is on Marklin database.

Total 16 functions for BR58.
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Offline mbarreto  
#80 Posted : 05 December 2012 18:32:24(UTC)
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Hi all,

I noticed the BR58 have only 2 front lights, which is more era II characteristic. This emphasizes that it is an early era III, I think.
This way Märklin doesn't need to change the front for era II, but I think for late era III and era IV it is a must!

It looks fantastic as the wagons also do.

I would like it to have a Faulhaber or other coreless motor, but I think I am not lucky in that respect.

Regards,
Miguel






Offline H0  
#81 Posted : 05 December 2012 19:50:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
This way Märklin doesn't need to change the front for era II, but I think for late era III and era IV it is a must!
Did the 005 have triple headlights?

BR 58.10-21 was out of DB service by 1953 - before the third light was introduced. In Eastern Germany it was used until 1976, but it's rather unlikely that Märklin will make DR versions of eras III or IV (but who knows).
It's sure that other variations will follow.
Regards
Tom
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Offline mbarreto  
#82 Posted : 05 December 2012 19:57:18(UTC)
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Hi Tom,

Thanks for your reply. I didn't know BR58 had such a short life in DB.
I also agree with you that other variotions will follow.
Regards,
Miguel






Offline Osterthun  
#83 Posted : 05 December 2012 21:22:08(UTC)
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UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

Taken form Märklin TV (with some doctoring). This time not for me. Just waiting for the Prussian version.

Regards
Frits Osterthun
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#84 Posted : 05 December 2012 22:21:39(UTC)
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The Insider webpage has been updated with an image of the Br58 - Donald Duck is gone!
Bigdaddynz attached the following image(s):
Insider.jpg
Offline steventrain  
#85 Posted : 06 December 2012 14:08:00(UTC)
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Order form for BR58 is included with 6/2012 Club package.
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Offline danmarklinman  
#86 Posted : 06 December 2012 16:11:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Insider club wagon.



Hi is this availble next year and doas anyone know when the insider paper work comes out for this model.
Offline steventrain  
#87 Posted : 06 December 2012 16:51:37(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: danmarklinman Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Insider club wagon.



Hi is this availble next year and doas anyone know when the insider paper work comes out for this model.


The order form is included 6/2012 package.
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Offline steventrain  
#88 Posted : 09 December 2012 10:20:11(UTC)
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Delivery date for BR58 is Q2/2013.
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Offline Osterthun  
#89 Posted : 12 December 2012 21:36:54(UTC)
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Quote:
Thus, I am eagerly awaiting an Era I version of this BR 58. That could among others be a Prussian, Baden or Württemberg version, with the latter one being the most interesting one to me.


Small detail: the Prussian G 12 are a different typ (58.10-21) whereas the Württemberg G 12 comes as 58.5, and the Badanian as 58.2-3.

UserPostedImage
Wrt. G 12 (Rivarossi)

UserPostedImage
Badanian G 12 (Roco)

But Märkiln will be able to manage that! They had a Z-scale model years ago.

Should be like...

UserPostedImage
(Minitrix, Photo courteously from Michael Biaesch for osterthun.com)

Kind regards
Frits
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Offline steventrain  
#90 Posted : 13 December 2012 13:32:42(UTC)
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Nice pictures, Frits.
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