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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 09 August 2012 17:41:18(UTC)
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Hello boys!
I decides to create an topic which we shall show up how to use ballast on Marklins K tracks.
All tips welcomes and don´t forget presentation manufactures name of ballast.
Even better show up with pictures as results. ThumpUp
In this case i did use WS light grey and dark grey mixed.
Both of them are medium size.
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Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 09 August 2012 18:13:27(UTC)
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Here is another pic!
WS with buff and brown mixed.
Both are medium size.

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Offline RayF  
#3 Posted : 09 August 2012 20:00:35(UTC)
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Looks very good, Anders! ThumpUp
Ray
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Offline Ian555  
#4 Posted : 09 August 2012 21:05:29(UTC)
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Hi Anders,

Great looking work. ThumpUp

Ian.



Offline Danlake  
#5 Posted : 09 August 2012 21:12:17(UTC)
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Looks great!

And good idea with this post.

Brgds - Lasse
Digital 11m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS3 60226 / Train Controller Gold 9 with 4D sound. Mainly Danish and German Locomotives.
Offline glight1  
#6 Posted : 09 August 2012 21:57:05(UTC)
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Hi Goofy,

I think I prefer the buff and brown. As I have C track, I'm using the grey that matches. I'm trying to decide how close to the tracks to add grass and weeds or another color of larger rocks.

That is part of the fun. BigGrin

Offline Osterthun  
#7 Posted : 28 September 2012 21:05:48(UTC)
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How close? Think of:
1. maintenance people walking aside the track
2. weeding cars maintening the track...

I would advise to keepo the grass some 1,5 - 2 cm of track, left some 'forgottren bushes'. Trains usually don't run through the jungle.

See f.i. right here.

Regards
Frits
Offline glight1  
#8 Posted : 28 September 2012 21:37:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Osterthun Go to Quoted Post
How close? Think of:
1. maintenance people walking aside the track
2. weeding cars maintening the track...

I would advise to keepo the grass some 1,5 - 2 cm of track, left some 'forgottren bushes'. Trains usually don't run through the jungle.

See f.i. right here.

Regards
Frits


Frits,

Your level of detail is remarkable! Matched only by your skill in lighting and photography. I appreciate the advice as to the weeds and such.
As I'm only two years into the hobby I have a lot to learn. I wasn't aware of 'weeding cars' for era I.

(Sorry Goofy if I've highjacked your post).

Gary
Offline akv2002  
#9 Posted : 03 October 2012 14:03:46(UTC)
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Dear friends from this forum:

Do you anyone know how -or- if possible to make own ho tracks?
In U.S.A. there some manyfactures called like fast tracks, micro engeneering or similat that sell kits to build turnouts, flex tracks, etc.
The final appearence and details are impressive, but i fo not know if are adecuate to the european style. Also we sould be add the third rail....
Could you help with your opinion?

Thanks
Diego
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Offline kbvrod  
#10 Posted : 03 October 2012 19:07:29(UTC)
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Hi Diego,all,

>Do you anyone know how -or- if possible to make own ho tracks?
In U.S.A. there some manyfactures called like fast tracks, micro engeneering or similat that sell kits to build turnouts, flex tracks, etc.<

That is called hand-laid track.

>The final appearence and details are impressive, but i fo not know if are adecuate to the european style. Also we sould be add the third rail....Could you help with your opinion?

No that would be N. American type,different that European.You can build your own M-style e-rail tracks,try the search function as there are some posts/how-to's either here or the old forum.There are methods to DIY(Do It Yourself) and some commercial products for the 3rd rail,however turnouts are a problem.

Dr D


Offline akv2002  
#11 Posted : 04 October 2012 16:06:46(UTC)
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Helo and thanks!

I believed that it would be possible...but is true that the american style and european are different. the equal mode I am going to find the old posts that you said.
Thanks again
A hug!
Diego

Offline GlennM  
#12 Posted : 04 October 2012 18:08:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Osterthun Go to Quoted Post
How close? Think of:
1. maintenance people walking aside the track
2. weeding cars maintening the track...

I would advise to keepo the grass some 1,5 - 2 cm of track, left some 'forgottren bushes'. Trains usually don't run through the jungle.

See f.i. right here.

Regards
Frits


Frits,

Nice post love the photograph, and the excellently modeled scene.

Maybe you could do a post with pictures showing how you ended up with such realistic looking rock face.

Excellent.

BR

Glenn
Don't look back, your not heading that way.
Offline Goofy  
#13 Posted : 04 October 2012 18:17:58(UTC)
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Or tracks on his layout since this topic is about ballast and K tracks.
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Offline Goofy  
#14 Posted : 10 February 2013 14:12:55(UTC)
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I did another test.
Now with WS brown medium size and rust on the rail.
Perfect as era 2-4!

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Offline Ian555  
#15 Posted : 10 February 2013 15:02:21(UTC)
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Hi Anders,

Looks really good. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline marklinsa  
#16 Posted : 11 February 2013 12:13:46(UTC)
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Good afternoon Anders

I had a problem in that my K-tracks puckos started rusting with after ballasting. To ballast 2-rail (DC/DCC) is very easy and nothing can really go wrong unlike with K-track. Can you perhaps run through how you ballasted K-track? The sequence of activites and what you found worked and what did not work. Thanks !
Herman Steyn
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Offline Goofy  
#17 Posted : 11 February 2013 19:15:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinsa Go to Quoted Post
Good afternoon Anders

I had a problem in that my K-tracks puckos started rusting with after ballasting. To ballast 2-rail (DC/DCC) is very easy and nothing can really go wrong unlike with K-track. Can you perhaps run through how you ballasted K-track? The sequence of activites and what you found worked and what did not work. Thanks !


With rust it happens so by of water mixed with glue.
There is special glue from Merkur or Faller that have glue which dries between sleepers.
Before it dries you can put ballast on special glue.
But ballast is made of crunched rocks and will sink down.
Marklin have new feeder contact clip that won´t rust in contact with water.
Older K tracks did had copper feeder clips and that was not good!
Just go ahead with new K tracks and try!

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Offline Goofy  
#18 Posted : 17 February 2013 11:12:20(UTC)
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Another way to put ballast.
Medium light gray.
Pictures shows before and after dirty.
Perfect as modern era 4-6!

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Offline Goofy  
#19 Posted : 17 February 2013 14:12:09(UTC)
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Today i toke an walk outside with camera.
Here is some pictures of tracks with wooden tie and concrete.

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Offline steventrain  
#20 Posted : 18 February 2013 20:27:17(UTC)
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Thanks for the tip, Goofy.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Goofy  
#21 Posted : 25 February 2013 17:24:46(UTC)
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I did test in another way and this time with real wood ties.
I painted with stain color walnut and dirty after that.

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Offline RayF  
#22 Posted : 25 February 2013 18:47:35(UTC)
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Very good, Anders! ThumpUp
Ray
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Offline akv2002  
#23 Posted : 25 February 2013 23:53:09(UTC)
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Hello friends: Really Goofy your effort and let us your job is an excellent idea! Congratulations, but how do you think to make the third rail? Is possible or this stage is only to DC or two rail layout? Equal thank a lot for you apport to this topic.
Best wishes, Diego
Offline mbarreto  
#24 Posted : 26 February 2013 00:30:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did test in another way and this time with real wood ties.
I painted with stain color walnut and dirty after that.






I think you are on the way to be a pro in ballasting...



Best regards,
Miguel
Mostly Märklin H0.


Offline Goofy  
#25 Posted : 26 February 2013 07:35:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: akv2002 Go to Quoted Post
Hello friends: Really Goofy your effort and let us your job is an excellent idea! Congratulations, but how do you think to make the third rail? Is possible or this stage is only to DC or two rail layout? Equal thank a lot for you apport to this topic.
Best wishes, Diego


You can do this by use:
www.handlaidtrack.com
www.erbert-signale.de

Erbert are selling punktkontakt system that allows for 2 rail system with code 100.
Handlaid have code 100.

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Offline Goofy  
#26 Posted : 26 February 2013 07:39:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mbarreto Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I did test in another way and this time with real wood ties.
I painted with stain color walnut and dirty after that.






I think you are on the way to be a pro in ballasting...





You can check at my layout in topic area "My layout".
New "Erbach era 1" and you can see my results with tracks.
But my tracks are Tillig Elite code83 and ties are plastic.

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Offline Goofy  
#27 Posted : 01 March 2013 19:40:42(UTC)
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A little better picture of the track.

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Offline Goofy  
#28 Posted : 26 July 2013 20:36:01(UTC)
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Okey...let´s go again with K tracks!
This time i did decides to test what i happens by use rust color on the fishplates.
And waterglue(50% woodglue,50% water and few drops of dish liquid) between clip contact under the tracks.
When ballast did dried...i shall test if there is still contact between two tracks.

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Offline kbvrod  
#29 Posted : 26 July 2013 22:45:37(UTC)
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Wrong color.
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#30 Posted : 26 July 2013 23:56:45(UTC)
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But an airbrush can to wonders with it... Wink
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Offline Goofy  
#31 Posted : 27 July 2013 07:45:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Wrong color.


You also see water glue i did just put on the ballast.
When ballast it dried...the shade of color darkens.
Ballast is in beige color.

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Offline Goofy  
#32 Posted : 05 August 2013 17:26:23(UTC)
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Let´s see the results!!
I did tested contact between tracks and there is still good contact.
Although i was expecting water glue get stuck between clip contact under the track.
For those who shall build up a new layout with K-tracks i recommended to soldering clip contact before lay ballast.

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Offline Goofy  
#33 Posted : 26 July 2014 08:53:12(UTC)
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I did used ballast this time in size "fine" and soiled the tracks.

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Offline bygger01  
#34 Posted : 02 August 2014 22:27:37(UTC)
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To avoid rust in the new part of my lay out I have decided for Mercur ballast

That is also given us the advantage of having our turnout with ballast as well

Best regards
Jørgen St. from Herning in DK
H0 / Märklin K track / CS3+ / full digital / Epoke III +/-
Offline MACER  
#35 Posted : 02 August 2014 22:46:51(UTC)
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HI, very good job with the K tracks, i have the same tracks but are not good the ballasts, you see my albums.
regards.
MACER
Offline Goofy  
#36 Posted : 03 August 2014 08:22:16(UTC)
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Before i use water glue to add ballast,i spray isopropyl alcohol mixed with water to counteracts the surface tension of the ballast.
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#37 Posted : 03 August 2014 08:27:05(UTC)
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The Best solution for K track Ballast on a layout is "Merkur" now available again from their website, and from Lokshop at least !

It allows you to lift and relay the tracks at will ( great for adding contact points etc,) and doesn't cause the centre contacts to rust.
Digital power feed should be every metre or so ideally ! Check out Dale Schultz's webpages (mixmox.com ?) for plenty of great tips !

All that said, of course Merkur does cost, but can save you money and frustration in the long term ! But also maybe not as pro looking as Goofy's Unsure

I am going to use it for my layout (mainly BTW and surrounds) where I haven't already got the Noch mossmer foam ballast / underlay. ThumpUp
Glen
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