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Offline Mark5  
#51 Posted : 05 December 2012 19:06:11(UTC)
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Wooooow!!! How did I miss this post before??? . Love ThumpUp Woot ThumpUp Love

Thank you so much Marco and Florian for posting these wonderful photos!

I'm inspired!...
Love what you are doing with the details and the figures so artfully placed... they create a very intriguing narrative.

Is the Bahnhof not available as a new kit anymore?

Thanks again gentlemen!

- Mark
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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#52 Posted : 06 December 2012 02:27:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MM-MarkMontreal Go to Quoted Post
Wooooow!!! How did I miss this post before??? . Love ThumpUp Woot ThumpUp Love

Thank you so much Marco and Florian for posting these wonderful photos!

I'm inspired!...
Love what you are doing with the details and the figures so artfully placed... they create a very intriguing narrative.

Is the Bahnhof not available as a new kit anymore?

Thanks again gentlemen!

- Mark


I don't think it is, a lot of the tipical 1940's/50's and 60's large buildings have dissapeared form their catalogue. Which is a shame since there are plenty around in smaller German cities. Many of us are to blame because we put them in the out of fashion bag, I must admit I always tend to go for the wooden medieval style but probably I wouldn't mind to have a couple of the old 50's office buildings or department stores. Most of the modern buildings available now IMHO seem quite dated anyway 1980's.
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Offline Mark5  
#53 Posted : 06 December 2012 08:20:24(UTC)
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Shame that... perhaps I'll have to dig one up on Ebay too.

Not as easy as one might think to get material consistent with a specific time period.

In my case 1955 to 1963 ...

OT but... Any suggestions for Faller buildings... or Vollmer etc that would work in East and West Germany....
.... let alone Italian for that period?

- Mark
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#54 Posted : 06 December 2012 09:12:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MM-MarkMontreal Go to Quoted Post
Shame that... perhaps I'll have to dig one up on Ebay too.

Not as easy as one might think to get material consistent with a specific time period.

In my case 1955 to 1963 ...

OT but... Any suggestions for Faller buildings... or Vollmer etc that would work in East and West Germany....
.... let alone Italian for that period?

- Mark


I think italian ones might be more difficult, depends on your taste but there are several bland looking buildings currently available that might be older but fit the period perfectly like the army barracks the burning tax office and a few others, there is even a set of large buildings that look almost condemned those are not bad. These are older ones.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/F...&hash=item20cc538b34

http://www.ebay.de/itm/S...&hash=item27cd81c1aa

http://www.ebay.de/itm/2...&hash=item27cd81ca63

http://www.ebay.de/itm/H...&hash=item2a2651c968
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#55 Posted : 16 December 2012 16:23:34(UTC)
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Unfortunately, B-103 has been discountinued by Faller somewhere in the 1980ies. Many of the new tooling for stations since then has been for timberframe stations, which are actually quite rare in 1:1 scale. Even during the heyday of railroad construction in the 19th century, station buildings for smaller and middle-sized towns have more or less been some standart design. The reason is that such elaborate buildings just like Vollmer, Faller etc. now offer would have been much too costly. Here in Bavaria, it was a cube-like building with a hipped roof, and sometimes to side extensions. It can still be seen today on many Bavarian lines, a good example is the Munich - Ingolstadt line which still has several of these station buildings. This design is being called "Bayerischer Würfel" oder "Würfelbahnhof" (on Englisch "Bavarian cube" oder "cube-style station"). But even such station bulidings can hardly be found as 1:87 reproductions. Okay, Busch has now released a laser-cut model of this "cube-style station". But the vast majority of station buildings in current catalogs fit more into some "ideal, idyllic nice little word" than into reality.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline Mark5  
#56 Posted : 17 December 2012 03:43:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner Go to Quoted Post
Unfortunately, B-103 has been discountinued by Faller somewhere in the 1980ies. Many of the new tooling for stations since then has been for timberframe stations, which are actually quite rare in 1:1 scale. Even during the heyday of railroad construction in the 19th century, station buildings for smaller and middle-sized towns have more or less been some standart design. The reason is that such elaborate buildings just like Vollmer, Faller etc. now offer would have been much too costly. Here in Bavaria, it was a cube-like building with a hipped roof, and sometimes to side extensions. It can still be seen today on many Bavarian lines, a good example is the Munich - Ingolstadt line which still has several of these station buildings. This design is being called "Bayerischer Würfel" oder "Würfelbahnhof" (on Englisch "Bavarian cube" oder "cube-style station"). But even such station bulidings can hardly be found as 1:87 reproductions. Okay, Busch has now released a laser-cut model of this "cube-style station". But the vast majority of station buildings in current catalogs fit more into some "ideal, idyllic nice little word" than into reality.

Regards,
Florian


Thanks Florian,

The other option is to try and build them from scratch. I would be willing to do do if the building was not too complex.
Do you have photos or source material for other similar stations that would be in East Germany as well as in smaller cities in Germany?

They almost seem to follow a practical form or, or simplified form of Bauhaus style architecture that may have been practical during reconstruction in Germany in the 1940s and 1050s... any ideas or thoughts on that?

- Mark

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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline Frankenbahner  
#57 Posted : 18 December 2012 00:42:03(UTC)
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What I found are these sites:

- Pforzehim station: http://home.arcor.de/pil...sk/PilzkioskHP/PF/pf.htm

- Heidelberg station: http://home.arcor.de/ova...HP/heidelberg/bhf_hd.htm

Both sites are part of a page about the "real-life version" of Faller's famous "Pilzkiosk" (B-135), http://www.pilzkiosk.de .

Note that Heidelberg Hbf was not built to replace a building destroyed during WW II. In the 1950s, the current station has been completed to replace the old dead-end station which had survived the war undestroyed.

The old dead-end station has then been abandoned and completely demolished.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline Mark5  
#58 Posted : 18 December 2012 22:22:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner Go to Quoted Post
What I found are these sites:

- Pforzehim station: http://home.arcor.de/pil...sk/PilzkioskHP/PF/pf.htm

- Heidelberg station: http://home.arcor.de/ova...HP/heidelberg/bhf_hd.htm

Both sites are part of a page about the "real-life version" of Faller's famous "Pilzkiosk" (B-135), http://www.pilzkiosk.de .


Great stuff Florian,
I looked at the sites in detail. Very interesting history and beautiful buildings.
Also watched the Pforzheim lifestyle video which gives that lovely "idealic" (idealized) German view of the town.

Concerning Faller B-135 this interesting link also comes up.
http://alte-modellbahnen...twas-andere-Hommage.html
Some handmade modelling for Spur 1

Peace!
Mark




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In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline Frankenbahner  
#59 Posted : 19 December 2012 23:20:42(UTC)
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Maybe the largest active 1950s' station is München Hbf (Munich). However, there have been several rebuildings since the 1980s. Some sections of the station, however, are still original 19th century structures which have been "incorporated" into the 1950s' structure. There has also been a book about the history of this station -
"Der Münchner Hauptbahnhof. Stationen seiner Geschichte"

As far as I know, this book was released only in German, and is unavailable now. Last year, I bought one of the last copies (maybe even the last one) the punlisher still had in stock.

Regards,
Florain
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Offline Mark5  
#60 Posted : 20 December 2012 03:49:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner Go to Quoted Post
Maybe the largest active 1950s' station is München Hbf (Munich). However, there have been several rebuildings since the 1980s. Some sections of the station, however, are still original 19th century structures which have been "incorporated" into the 1950s' structure.


That really interests me Florian.

I have been trying to find photos online of the Munich station.
Can you explain to me or circle the parts in photoshop that were made in the 50s and which parts were made later or earlier?

I found these photos:
http://en.wikipedia.org/...tation_-_aerial_view.JPG

http://c1038.r38.cf3.rac...g15096/media/02gvzvp.jpg

This looks like 50s design... great looking clock here:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/116561.jpg

http://home.fotocommunit...id=674589&d=20052429

http://www.thegrandoldga...ayern/Hauptbahnhof00.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/ph...in/photostream/lightbox/

Thanks again,
Mark
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#61 Posted : 21 December 2012 01:29:44(UTC)
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There’s a site about Munich station (in German) – http://denkmaeler-muenchen.de/hbf/index.php



This picture shows the "Starnberger Flügelbahnhof", an eventual side extension of the original station. It was destroyed in WW II, the current structure was built somewhere in the mid- or late 1940s.

Quote:
http://c1038.r38.cf3.rackcdn.com/group2/building15096/media/02gvzvp.jpg


This postcard shows the original 19th century station building, which was destroyed by bombing in 1944.

Quote:
This looks like 50s design... great looking clock here:
http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/iipcache/116561.jpg


Indeed, this is from the ‘50s. It’s the current main building, completed somewhere in 1959.

Quote:
http://home.fotocommunity.de/odp/index.php?id=674589&d=20052429


The platform hall was completed in the 1950s too, the originall hall has fallen victim to WW II bombing.

Quote:
http://www.thegrandoldgame.com/Bob/Bayern/Hauptbahnhof00.jpg


Upside, you can see the main concourse in its current condition.

Quote:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mtl_shag/2959190552/in/photostream/lightbox/


An inside view of the 1950s' station hall in its current condition.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#62 Posted : 31 December 2012 16:23:13(UTC)
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Once again, I did some changes and improvements:

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Thats the entrance area to the platform as it looked before

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And that's like it looks now. Faller item 120194 - Service boards - has been added. I also added the "VGN" emblem, which means "Verkehrsverbund Großraum Nürnberg", the linked transportation system for the Nuremberg metropolitan region. The emblem has been cut out of an older schedule booklet.

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Another information board has been installed in front of the station building. The building itself got a DB emblem over the main entrance.

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Originally, the station has been fitted with Märklin semphore signals, as you can see on this older photo. Unfortunately, these signals have these large grey boxex for the solenoids. That's a real eyesore on a detailed layout. Moreover, the grey boxex can cause problems when operating long coaches. So, about one year ago, I converted four signals to underfloor installion. However, this is not so easy with the Märklin signals, as you have to design some holdering. This would cause more extensive work. So I decided, some months ago, to replace the Märklin signals. Viessmann signals were an option, and they are easy to install. But then I heard they wouldn't be as robust and reliable as the Märklin signals. Then I came across Fleischmann. Their signals are as reliable as the ones from Märklin. Unfortunately, they're much to expensive if you're going to buy them new from a dealer. So I got some used Fleischmann semaphore signals. With two screws, these signals can easily be installed underfloor.

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This photo shows the last Märklin semaphore signal on track one. The other tracks have already been converted to Fleischmann semaphore signals.

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Märklin #7039 has been replaced with Fleischmann #6205, Märklin #7040 with Fleischmann #6206.

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"Fleischmannization" of the signals goes on: another Märklin signal has been removed. The hole for the underfloor installion of its successor has just been cut.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline kweekalot  
#63 Posted : 01 January 2013 18:15:39(UTC)
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Hi Florian,
Thanks for your update and Fleischmannization story !! ThumpUp

I like those large grey boxes on the turnouts and signals, probably for unconsciously nostalgic reasons, but yes I can imagine that others find those grey boxes not very pretty.

Marco
Offline Frankenbahner  
#64 Posted : 02 January 2013 01:36:34(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

on a rather nostalgic, classic M-track layout, these grey boxex surely better fit in, than on a rather detailed layout.

I think this depends very much on the style of a layout. When I installed the Märklin signals years ago, I didn't see a real problem in the grey boxes. At some point however, when detailing of the station became more and more finer, they had became anything else than a nice view.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline kweekalot  
#65 Posted : 08 January 2013 09:17:36(UTC)
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Two days ago an unbuilt B-103 Kit was sold in an Ebay.DE auction for only € 56. Woot
Think that was real cheap..., unfortunately I did not bid on her because I saw it too late. Crying

There is also a second B-103 Kit for sale on Ebay.DE for a minimum starting bid of € 150, and because it was not sold, it is now for € 120. I think this € 120 is on the high end, but perhaps still reasonable because it is the first time in six months that I see these B-103 Kits pops up on Ebay Germany.


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Offline Ian555  
#66 Posted : 08 January 2013 10:15:30(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

That was a good price on the unbuilt B-103 kit.

Ian.

Offline Frankenbahner  
#67 Posted : 19 January 2013 17:03:03(UTC)
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Work on the station has further proceeded.

One of the works I did was the installation of bicycle shelters:

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After "Fleischmannization" of the signals at the Western station exit had been completed, I went on with fitting tracks 1 - 4 with signals at the Eastern station exit. This required to install insulated sections and additional wiring. So, I had to remove several tracks:

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I also decided to remove the last uncoupling track, as it really didn't look very pretty:

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Then, I had the cut the hole for the signal masts (underfloor installation of the solenoids):

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A standart track has been installed in place of the uncoupling track:

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Now, the singals have been installed. Signal tower B-121 is in place again:

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Regards,
Florian
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Offline Mark5  
#68 Posted : 21 January 2013 05:48:09(UTC)
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Thanks Florian...

Great to see these photos!!

Love seeing the catenary too!

Peace,
Mark

ps. Thought about you the other day when looking at the atlas with my girls as they spotted Florianopolis in Brazil.
I don't suppose you have been there.
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Offline hennabm  
#69 Posted : 21 January 2013 09:25:43(UTC)
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Hi Florian

Excellent picturesThumpUp

Love the catenary as well.BigGrin

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Offline Ian555  
#70 Posted : 21 January 2013 15:11:13(UTC)
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Hi Florian,

Great photo's. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Frankenbahner  
#71 Posted : 21 January 2013 17:01:08(UTC)
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Nearly all tracks on my layout are electrified. However, the catanary doesn't have any electrical function, as most of the time, my trains are operated digital.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline hennabm  
#72 Posted : 21 January 2013 17:15:48(UTC)
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Hi Florian

That is dedication - to put up all the catenary just for effect. Very good.ThumpUp

Mind you if I were operating e loks on digital I too would do the same.

Mike
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Offline Mark5  
#73 Posted : 21 January 2013 19:49:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Frankenbahner Go to Quoted Post
Nearly all tracks on my layout are electrified. However, the catenary doesn't have any electrical function, as most of the time, my trains are operated digital.

Regards,
Florian


Well, you could also create a dual system where you run some analog locomotives off of your catenary and your digital locomotive off of the track.
There is no problem using the same "O" or brown ground as the return. I am planning on doing something like this on my layouts.

Always gave me great pleasure to tell people that the catenary was really electrified and independently controlled.
On my layout as a teenager I only had two transformers. One for the track and the other for the catenary.
I had the whole 4x8 layout electrified except the roundhouse and the the three way track leading to it.

All of that was for only one electric loco which my Dad assemble for us from a kit:
It looks close to this: http://products.eurorail...com/Marklin/t3_55013.jpg

Wish I had more time to post photos and videos of my own stuff!
Thanks so much for posting yours Florian!
- Mark



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Offline BigBeestie##!  
#74 Posted : 24 January 2013 11:23:29(UTC)
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Hi Florien
With all the extra detail the station looks fantastic,

I came across this forum whilst trying to find out some information on this kit, as I've managed to get hold of a 1980's issued un-built B-103 from a dealer friend for the grad sum of £8.00!!
I only hope that I can emulate some of the detail that you have achieved with this kit.

Keep up the good work

Regards
Ian
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#75 Posted : 24 January 2013 13:49:59(UTC)
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Hi Ian

Welcome to the forumThumpUp

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Offline BigBeestie##!  
#76 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:28:59(UTC)
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Thanks Mike
I love the look of the Marklin models, but as a DC railway modeller so far I only own a Marklin-Hamo Br 78

Regards
Ian
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#77 Posted : 24 January 2013 15:45:21(UTC)
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Hi Ian

Something is better than nothing.ThumpUp Wink

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Offline Mark5  
#78 Posted : 25 January 2013 06:11:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BigBeestie##! Go to Quoted Post
Hi Florien
With all the extra detail the station looks fantastic,

I came across this forum whilst trying to find out some information on this kit, as I've managed to get hold of a 1980's issued un-built B-103 from a dealer friend for the grad sum of £8.00!!
I only hope that I can emulate some of the detail that you have achieved with this kit.

Keep up the good work

Regards
Ian


Hello Ian ....

Welcome to the Forum!
Best of luck with your kit building.
Please let us see your results when you get something done on it.
We love photos in the forum space.

BTW... with the ubiquitous posting of another Ian on this Forum, we may need your middle name or another initial,
unless or course you want to known as Ian the 2nd or simply BigBeestie.

Enjoy the fun... you can learn an amazing amount of MMR stuff here and have fun with the interaction while you do.

Peace,
Mark
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#79 Posted : 25 January 2013 11:58:28(UTC)
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Hmmmm, now was a fairly mint unbuilt B-103 kit I saw in that bunch of stuff Cookee_nz wanted to sell??

Cookee?
Offline Frankenbahner  
#80 Posted : 25 January 2013 14:39:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BigBeestie##! Go to Quoted Post
Hi Florien
With all the extra detail the station looks fantastic,

I came across this forum whilst trying to find out some information on this kit, as I've managed to get hold of a 1980's issued un-built B-103 from a dealer friend for the grad sum of £8.00!!
I only hope that I can emulate some of the detail that you have achieved with this kit.

Keep up the good work

Regards
Ian



Hi Ian,

Welcome to the forum!

I got my B-103 several years ago. Our club got a trailer full of old Faller and Kibri stuff from a local model train dealer, which we could sell during an open day (otherwise, the dealer would have delivered these items to the recycling depot Mad ). Club members were then allowed to select those items they were interested in (for free). Among these items, there was also my B-103, which was already built when I got it. But it wasn't built very properly, so I had to do several improvements like removing adhessive spots or adding the missing parts. The model has then been incorporated into the new extension of my layout. Several additions have been done over the years, like more figures, or details like ticket machines.

Regards,
Florian
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Offline BigBeestie##!  
#81 Posted : 25 January 2013 22:26:35(UTC)
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Hi All
Thanks for the great welcome to the forum.

I'm a former 00 modeller, hence the reason for 2 rail DC, who only caught the H0 bug about 3 years ago after a trip to Germany for a family wedding.
On the way home to the UK, we had about a 10 hour wait for our plane so it was suggested that we go into Frankfurt to kill some time.

Once i got off the S-bahn and looked around at Frankfurt hbf I was hooked on all things German!!

Most of my stock is Roco, Fleischmann or Piko, with a smattering of Liliput, Trix and my lone Marklin-Hamo Br 78.

I plan to use the station on a new layout I'm planning, which is going to be set on the left hand bank of the Rhine, as I've got into DB diesels and electric's as well as their steam locomotives.

Hopefully the layout will be started in the next couple of weeks, as it will be housed in my shed, but at the moment its freezing cold and snowing heavily in North Staffordshire and my garden looks more Alpine then English.

As soon as I have something to show I'll download some photo's.

Regards

Ian R Beeston

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Offline Ian555  
#82 Posted : 26 January 2013 16:41:38(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline BigBeestie##!  
#83 Posted : 26 January 2013 18:21:20(UTC)
BigBeestie##!

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Thanks Ian
Great name by the way BigGrin
Regards
Ian (Bigbeestie##)
Offline cookee_nz  
#84 Posted : 31 January 2013 21:49:40(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Hmmmm, now was a fairly mint unbuilt B-103 kit I saw in that bunch of stuff Cookee_nz wanted to sell??

Cookee?


Indeed, I pulled it back out because I realised I may well need it myself and mint-boxed is always best. BigGrin

Downside is if you also have a collector mindset, those are the ones you least want to build.

I went through all my Faller stuff this week, sorting, documenting, photographing, wish I hadn't.

Got too much but can't decide what I might or might not need. I fear I'll appear on telly in a few years as one of those nutty hoarders with a house full, wife and kids long-gone, living off two slices of toast a day. Blushing
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Offline BigBeestie##!  
#85 Posted : 01 February 2013 12:23:04(UTC)
BigBeestie##!

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Hi Cookee,

I've never really been a collector myself, apart from a little bit of Hornby-Dublo (all now sold on) in the mid 80's before dealers and some collectors decided to start buying and selling it for astronomicaly inflated prices, which I could not afford at the time as I was only a teenager back then. Cool

I worked in a model shop from '85 - '98 and had my share of dealing's with collector's, most were good customer's, but others we a right pain in the backside, checking every single model we had in-stock that they wanted to buy for any flaw's or slight dis-coloration. Cursing

As a farther of 3, I don't have a lot of "pocket-money" these day's either, so everything I buy these day's is used for the purpose it was made for, whether it be my 1950's made "Wiad" factory building or a brand new "Faller" kit from Father Christmas.Laugh

I have nothing against collector's, everyone has a part of the hobby they enjoy, for me it's running my train's around the layout, but my son would rather build scenery and create little cameo's on the layout.

Anyway back to the subject of this blog,
I should have some photo's of my completed kit next week as I have now bought some 1980's vintage "Vollmer" catenary to go with it.

Regards

Bigbeestie


AKA Ian R Beeston

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Offline Mark5  
#86 Posted : 03 February 2013 07:59:29(UTC)
Mark5

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Well Cookee,
You could always do a fire sale here on the forum.
No doubt it will be easier to find buyers for Faller sets, than for Faller catalogs.
If you have a Bahnhof Schonblick, then I will buy the catalogs too!!
Wink

Best of luck with inventory... I am doing my own inventory too.
Choices and planning... hard work!!
Best to KISS ... Keep it Simple....
- Mark

Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Hmmmm, now was a fairly mint unbuilt B-103 kit I saw in that bunch of stuff Cookee_nz wanted to sell??

Cookee?


Indeed, I pulled it back out because I realised I may well need it myself and mint-boxed is always best. BigGrin

Downside is if you also have a collector mindset, those are the ones you least want to build.

I went through all my Faller stuff this week, sorting, documenting, photographing, wish I hadn't.

Got too much but can't decide what I might or might not need. I fear I'll appear on telly in a few years as one of those nutty hoarders with a house full, wife and kids long-gone, living off two slices of toast a day. Blushing


DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline Mark5  
#87 Posted : 03 February 2013 08:22:54(UTC)
Mark5

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Hi Ian R,

What you're saying resonates with me...
Faller to be built for the layout and to be seen.
I am a Father of four girls... they like the little houses a lot.
And running the trains... one of my girls is getting interested in the electrical wiring.
Anyway, not to get OT (off topic) ... Seeing the sets built and in their environment is a real joy.

But having a nice little stack of potential Faller/Vollmer/Kibri projects is exciting too...
Wish I had a boxed set of Schonblick to work on some rainy day.

BTW If you start a new post, you can chronical your development there.
I would really love to see what you are doing with the Vollmer Catenary.
I have some of that stuff too, bits of Viessmen and Sommerfeldt. ...
...now I have to make decisions about it all. Another story...

Cheers,
Mark

ps ... I can really picture the collectors checking out each box for colour and molding issues.
I have done the some just for building model kits too!!



Originally Posted by: BigBeestie##! Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cookee,

I've never really been a collector myself, apart from a little bit of Hornby-Dublo (all now sold on) in the mid 80's before dealers and some collectors decided to start buying and selling it for astronomicaly inflated prices, which I could not afford at the time as I was only a teenager back then. Cool

I worked in a model shop from '85 - '98 and had my share of dealing's with collector's, most were good customer's, but others we a right pain in the backside, checking every single model we had in-stock that they wanted to buy for any flaw's or slight dis-coloration. Cursing

As a farther of 3, I don't have a lot of "pocket-money" these day's either, so everything I buy these day's is used for the purpose it was made for, whether it be my 1950's made "Wiad" factory building or a brand new "Faller" kit from Father Christmas.Laugh

I have nothing against collector's, everyone has a part of the hobby they enjoy, for me it's running my train's around the layout, but my son would rather build scenery and create little cameo's on the layout.

Anyway back to the subject of this blog,
I should have some photo's of my completed kit next week as I have now bought some 1980's vintage "Vollmer" catenary to go with it.

Regards

Bigbeestie
AKA Ian R Beeston


DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
Offline steventrain  
#88 Posted : 03 February 2013 10:25:23(UTC)
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Hi Ian (Bigbeestie##) ,

Welcome to the forum.Smile
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline BigBeestie##!  
#89 Posted : 05 February 2013 14:21:40(UTC)
BigBeestie##!

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Thanks All
I will,
I hope with the help of my teenage son, to get the new layout started this weekend. So we should have some progress pic's soon.

Regards
Bigbeestie
aka Ian Beeston
Offline cookee_nz  
#90 Posted : 06 February 2013 10:47:28(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: BigBeestie##! Go to Quoted Post
Hi Cookee,

I've never really been a collector myself, apart from a little bit of Hornby-Dublo (all now sold on) in the mid 80's before dealers and some collectors decided to start buying and selling it for astronomicaly inflated prices, which I could not afford at the time as I was only a teenager back then. Cool

I worked in a model shop from '85 - '98 and had my share of dealing's with collector's, most were good customer's, but others we a right pain in the backside, checking every single model we had in-stock that they wanted to buy for any flaw's or slight dis-coloration. Cursing

As a farther of 3, I don't have a lot of "pocket-money" these day's either, so everything I buy these day's is used for the purpose it was made for, whether it be my 1950's made "Wiad" factory building or a brand new "Faller" kit from Father Christmas.Laugh

I have nothing against collector's, everyone has a part of the hobby they enjoy, for me it's running my train's around the layout, but my son would rather build scenery and create little cameo's on the layout.

Anyway back to the subject of this blog,
I should have some photo's of my completed kit next week as I have now bought some 1980's vintage "Vollmer" catenary to go with it.

Regards

Bigbeestie

AKA Ian R Beeston


Hi Ian, well the thing is I never actually started out to be a 'collector' as such, but with a number of house moves over the years building a layout was just not practical.

I'm glad I didn't attempt to build any of the kits because I know the risk they would not have survived.

About 10 years ago after moving into the house I'm in now with my first wife, I did start the construction of a layout, really a customization of an old Faller design with my Dad had based our childhood Tri-ang layout on. The layout called "Villingen" was from an early 60's track plan book and I always liked it but the challenge was how to change a rectangle into an l-shape to suit the room, while double-tracking where I could and allowing for more 'play value'.

The thing about that particular layout, my Dad must have known something I didn't. For one thing, it's based loosely on a real place. It has intersecting lines from different regions and where Villingen is located, it is quite conceivable that some of my 'foreign' trains, such as the Le Capitole, 'could' find their way into this part of southern Germany on an historic nostalgia trip, much like a vintage steam excursion. I mean, they 'could' have preserved an entire Le Capitole for posterity, couldn't they?? It's not utterly and completely beyond the realms of ones wildest imagination. And of course Switzerland & Austria are just a stones-throw away, Italy not too far, and heck, my 3018 / 4020 SJ train 'could' be out for an extended test run yes??

OK, perhaps that's stretching it.

Alas, having got the framing up, the marriage started to wobble (more than the framing), and the next few years were spent dealing with all that so the layout got dismantled but the plans are on hold - one day, one day....... and the kits wait patiently.

Those I want for the eventual layout will be built, but if I can find good already-built ones, and have a little display of the boxed un-built, all the better. It would be nice but not essential.

Here's Villingen (google maps) for those who are interested...... and here's the Faller plan (read the accompanying text for the linking lines), this was the largest plan in that particular book (840/E). At around 4m x 2m, it was quite a size.

My Dad actually made a reasonably faithful rendition of this, in 2-rail so there was no reverse loop, he put the Faller AMS circuit into the right end of it, including the working Faller Fountain with pump. My Dad put different coloured pea-lamps under the fountain which shone through the plastic, I thought that was so freaking cool, turning the ceiling lights off and then changing the fountain colours, just like you see in real life. The loop on the left was duplicated pretty close, plus the station layout and long run at the rear etc. I just wish some photos had been taken, or had survived, I loved playing with it. I'm sure my memory does not do it justice and it was always a hit with my friends.
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Offline MACER  
#91 Posted : 15 September 2014 21:26:54(UTC)
MACER

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Hi alls.

For what my cover box is different??

Is an ancient model?

Many thanks.
Macer
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Offline kweekalot  
#92 Posted : 15 September 2014 23:09:17(UTC)
kweekalot

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Hi Macer,

Yes, this is an old box.
The model on the box is the #103 version with a plastic base, Karton walls and a main plastic roof and a small wooden roof. (see picture)
And the article number on the box is printed in red (later in the 1960's the article number was printed in black).
My guess is that the box is from 1958 - 1963.

Marco


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Offline MACER  
#93 Posted : 15 September 2014 23:58:23(UTC)
MACER

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Hi Marco

I understand you, but my station is all plastic and the ceiling minor never i see, i buy without the same, and make one of plastic and painted green the 2 ceilings.

As you say, this is Faller History Channel - jajajaja!!

Huy!! so nice your station, very PVLCHRVM, and the flowers are fresh watching from here.

For what this stations are very nice, re-nice, re-nice??

You have various, lucky boy!

For here few interesting Fallers, but the price are around 10 US. ($ 150) from regular to bad state, are buy for work in your home, more money in paints, glues, cleaning, etc.

You watch in my albums the Faller papers for you for Faller collection corner?

change and off.
Macer


Offline Drrox  
#94 Posted : 20 March 2015 11:57:38(UTC)
Drrox

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Hi good day to all,

I came across this forum searching for more information on the B-103. I recently found my father's old set (not sure if it's complete), but so far, everything seems to be in there except for the instructions. Seeing all the finished photos and restoration jobs is inspiring, knowing how much effort was put into each one. I am truly amazed. And I would like to build one too. On that note, I was wondering how to get a copy of the instructions, whether through Faller or any kind soul who can send a few pictures of the manual. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks!
Offline kweekalot  
#95 Posted : 20 March 2015 21:27:18(UTC)
kweekalot

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Hello Drrox.

Welcome to the forum.
I can't help you with the B-103 assembly manual, but it's really not very difficult to build this kit.

Marco



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Offline kiwiAlan  
#96 Posted : 21 March 2015 17:13:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Drrox Go to Quoted Post
Hi good day to all,

I came across this forum searching for more information on the B-103. I recently found my father's old set (not sure if it's complete), but so far, everything seems to be in there except for the instructions. Seeing all the finished photos and restoration jobs is inspiring, knowing how much effort was put into each one. I am truly amazed. And I would like to build one too. On that note, I was wondering how to get a copy of the instructions, whether through Faller or any kind soul who can send a few pictures of the manual. Your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks!


Have you checked out the Faller website? Is it this one? The instructions are there available for download.

Alan
Offline Drrox  
#97 Posted : 24 March 2015 03:34:53(UTC)
Drrox

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Hi Alan,

Unfortunately that isn't it. It's a Faller B-103 Schönblick. Anyway, thank you. I will just try and figure it out, as Marco said that it shouldn't be too difficult. All the best to you!
Offline cookee_nz  
#98 Posted : 24 March 2015 10:12:02(UTC)
cookee_nz

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Originally Posted by: Drrox Go to Quoted Post
Hi Alan,

Unfortunately that isn't it. It's a Faller B-103 Schönblick. Anyway, thank you. I will just try and figure it out, as Marco said that it shouldn't be too difficult. All the best to you!


Found mine, this will be circa early 60's or possibly late 50's from the artwork. Pretty much mint in box, original inspection sheet, decal sheet and the black masking paper for lighting.

Hope it helps.

Steve
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