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Offline Ian555  
#1 Posted : 29 June 2012 15:29:49(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all,

Here we have my 1958 V200 006 with the classic box and instructions and a 1959 V200 006 with the "new" style box and instructions.

Still after a boxed 1957 V200 to complete the "Set".

Ian.


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Offline foumaro  
#2 Posted : 29 June 2012 16:18:38(UTC)
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Perfect ladies Ian.Can you tell me if you can see any differences between the two booklets?
Offline Ian555  
#3 Posted : 29 June 2012 17:14:26(UTC)
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Hi Panayotis,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Both the instruction books look the same, the one that came with the 1958 V200 is dated 0158, and the other instructions that came with the 1959 V200 is dated 1158.

Other than the date on them the two instruction booklets look identical.

Ian.

Offline foumaro  
#4 Posted : 29 June 2012 18:09:26(UTC)
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I will search the booklet,where is the date.Very interesting information.BigGrin
Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2012 18:30:52(UTC)
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Hi Panayotis,

With the booklet in front of you, at the lower left hand corner, there is a series of numbers, the last 4 are the date.

They are given as, firstly the month and then the year...ie 0360, is March 1960.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#6 Posted : 29 June 2012 18:32:54(UTC)
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Hi Panayotis,

I should have said the same method is used on the inside flap of many Loco/wagon boxes.

Ian.

Offline foumaro  
#7 Posted : 30 June 2012 04:10:46(UTC)
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I had see the date on the box,now i noticedBigGrin the date on the booklet.Thank you very much for your help.
Offline Ian555  
#8 Posted : 30 June 2012 06:28:45(UTC)
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Hi Panayotis,

Thankyou, I believe it was either Ray or Stephen that told me, and so it goes on.

Have a great weekend.

Ian.



Offline kweekalot  
#9 Posted : 30 June 2012 09:30:04(UTC)
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Ian, I like your posts.

And The V200 is indeed a true real beauty, expecially when it's an old Marklin.
I have the 30210, as you know not the real 1950s classic.

Offline Ian555  
#10 Posted : 30 June 2012 09:49:28(UTC)
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Hi kweekalot,

Thanks. ThumpUp

My good friend Dusan, a forum member from Australia, who has visited me here in Baden-Württemberg...Scotland, has over 20 V200's in his collection, and at the moment I'm playing at catch up.Smile

Ian.

Offline DV  
#11 Posted : 30 June 2012 11:46:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi kweekalot,

Thanks. ThumpUp

My good friend Dusan, a forum member from Australia, who has visited me here in Baden-Württemberg...Scotland, has over 20 V200's in his collection, and at the moment I'm playing at catch up.Smile

Ian.



Ohhh!!!! CripesBlink Huh Sad OhMyGod Crying

At one stage I was ahead of you with banana wagonsCrying Crying

But I suppose all your V200s will be of the 50's & 60's vintageLaugh Laugh Laugh
Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
Offline Ian555  
#12 Posted : 30 June 2012 11:54:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DV Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi kweekalot,

Thanks. ThumpUp

My good friend Dusan, a forum member from Australia, who has visited me here in Baden-Württemberg...Scotland, has over 20 V200's in his collection, and at the moment I'm playing at catch up.Smile

Ian.



Ohhh!!!! CripesBlink Huh Sad OhMyGod Crying

At one stage I was ahead of you with banana wagonsCrying Crying

But I suppose all your V200s will be of the 50's & 60's vintageLaugh Laugh Laugh




Hi Dusan,

No, I have some from the 70's as well....Sneaky Smile

Ian.


Offline Ian555  
#13 Posted : 01 July 2012 08:27:25(UTC)
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Hi all,

Looking on information on how to tell the difference between a 1957 and 1958 V200 006 3021.

Some sellers on e-bay.de mention the area around the "fans" on the roofline....smooth versus pattern finish...

Any help much appreciated.

Ian.

Offline LMS800  
#14 Posted : 01 July 2012 12:03:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

Looking on information on how to tell the difference between a 1957 and 1958 V200 006 3021.

Some sellers on e-bay.de mention the area around the "fans" on the roofline....smooth versus pattern finish...

Any help much appreciated.

Ian.



Hi Ian,
the difference is with the openings for fresh air (German: Lüfter ).
1957 they were "open", 1958 "closed".
For better understanding I marked this in yellow on the attached picture.
Regards
Wolf

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Offline Ian555  
#15 Posted : 01 July 2012 13:28:37(UTC)
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Hi Wolf,

Thanks for the information on that, I've been watching a couple of boxed 1957 3021's on e-bay.de and just wanted some way of telling that the Loco is a 1957.

Thanks again.

Ian.

I enjoyed our exchange of e-mails....Smile ThumpUp

Offline foumaro  
#16 Posted : 01 July 2012 13:44:15(UTC)
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This forum is a great sourse of knowledge.I am impressed.Thank you very much.
Offline Ian555  
#17 Posted : 01 July 2012 15:39:31(UTC)
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Hi Panayotis,

It's like being back at school, you learn something new everyday. Smile

Ian.

Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#18 Posted : 02 July 2012 11:04:38(UTC)
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Hello Ian,

I don't think anybody mention yet that the headlights are completely different. There are only two, the top central one is solid metal and the bottom ones instead of having the regular tube like difuser seem to have two pieces of opaque plastic stuck in front of the loco. If you find a close up photo of the front you'll know immediately what I am talking about. I thought you would have one of every version. Because it is quite different that engine is also in my shopping list but for the moment I am not seriously looking for one. regarding the plastic headlight stuck in front it's only a guess because I have never seen one of that version inside.
Alex
Offline Ian555  
#19 Posted : 02 July 2012 11:17:10(UTC)
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Hi Alex,

Thanks for that information, I've still to buy a 1957 V200, they are commanding a good price (around the 200 euro's) that's boxed and with instructions, so all this info will hopefully ensure I get what I'm paying for.

Like I said, every day is a school day....thanks for the info.

Ian.

Offline Bayer  
#20 Posted : 02 July 2012 13:21:37(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here is my two 3021's. The first one is the rare 3021.1 with open Lüfter and the other one is the more common 3021.6 from 1961. I've made some pictures showing some differences. As mentioned earlier in this thread the first version has the open Lüfter, but it also has a drum reverse unit and light changing in the direction of travel. It also has the old type metal motor shield with no capacitors soldered on to it. And furthermore the plastic boogies only say "Made in Germany" and not "Made in Germany West".

Here's the first picture showing the open versus closed ventilation grilles. Also look at the doors. The mold was somehow changed in 1961:
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The drum reverse unit:
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The old type motor shield with no capacitors:
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The plastic boogie:
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And of course the original box dated November 1957:
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If anyone has a 3021.2 it would be cool to see whether the characteristics for the 3021.1 mentioned also count for the later models.

Kind regards,
Thor

Edited by user 02 July 2012 15:53:42(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Ian555  
#21 Posted : 02 July 2012 15:01:50(UTC)
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Hi Thor,

Thanks for the information on the 1957 3021.ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline cookee_nz  
#22 Posted : 02 July 2012 20:36:33(UTC)
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Great thread guys, learning heaps about the 3021, I have two in transit back to NZ and I think possibly one already in storage - I never knew about the open vent, wonder why they changed that?

And the reversed door handle was a surprise. I know one of mine is the early 006 road number but not sure about the other details until I see it again. Alas, no box or booklet, but they are a good runner all the same.

Keep it coming

Cookee
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Offline Bayer  
#23 Posted : 02 July 2012 21:22:40(UTC)
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The reversed door handle was a surprise for me too. I saw it today when I made the pictures. I also looked in some old catalogs (1959 and 1962) and you can see the differences there too.
I've heard somewhere that the reason Märklin closed the vents on the 3021.2 was that open vents were more likely to break in the cast and therefore more difficult and expensive to make.

Thor
Offline Artologic  
#24 Posted : 05 July 2012 13:53:37(UTC)
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What s the normal price for an engine from the v200 series when they are in good shape? Seeing all this makes me want to get one too :-)

Kristof
Offline Ian555  
#25 Posted : 05 July 2012 13:58:19(UTC)
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Hi Kristof,

1957 V200, original box and instructions, top condition.....150 to 200+ euro's.(maybe I'm dreaming.Smile )

Ian.

Offline Artologic  
#26 Posted : 05 July 2012 14:24:52(UTC)
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Hey Ian,

Thanks for the reply! That sounds like an aweful lot of money! Time to save some money ^^ (or try some luck)

Kristof
Offline Bayer  
#27 Posted : 05 July 2012 19:00:49(UTC)
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Hello Kristof and Ian

Here's a first version sold just over a month ago for 86,22 EUR:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/36045764...trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

A good price, I think. Should had bid on it, but forgot it...

Regards,
Thor
Offline Ian555  
#28 Posted : 05 July 2012 19:09:39(UTC)
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Hi Thor,

That was a very good deal, pity I missed it.

Ian.

Offline kweekalot  
#29 Posted : 05 July 2012 20:27:03(UTC)
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I like this uber useful topic !

Ian, maybe this is interesting for you as a true V200 collector?
It is a rare in 1960 produced V200 building kit 3921 :

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/M...&hash=item2c650fb01b
Offline Ian555  
#30 Posted : 06 July 2012 07:15:11(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

Thanks very much for the link.

Deal done this morning, photo's when she arrives. Smile

Thanks again.

Ian.

Offline Artologic  
#31 Posted : 06 July 2012 07:18:41(UTC)
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That s why I was too late :D. Good luck with the new one!

Kristof
Offline kweekalot  
#32 Posted : 06 July 2012 09:18:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Marco,

Thanks very much for the link.

Deal done this morning, photo's when she arrives. Smile

Thanks again.

Ian.




You're welcome !!

I bought my first 3051 (not the mint one) there, and received the loco the next day.
The same with a Faller catalogue.
So, I don't think you have to wait a long time till you received your rare V200 kit.
Looking forward to your pictures !!
Offline Ian555  
#33 Posted : 09 July 2012 12:50:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kweekalot Go to Quoted Post
I like this uber useful topic !

Ian, maybe this is interesting for you as a true V200 collector?
It is a rare in 1960 produced V200 building kit 3921 :

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/M...&hash=item2c650fb01b




Hi Marco,

The kit 3921 arrived this morning, the Loco is in very good condition.

The included service booklet for the 3921 is dated...0859.

She's a very nice addition to my collection....thanks ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline LMS800  
#34 Posted : 09 July 2012 17:30:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kweekalot Go to Quoted Post
I like this uber useful topic !

Ian, maybe this is interesting for you as a true V200 collector?
It is a rare in 1960 produced V200 building kit 3921 :

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/M...&hash=item2c650fb01b




Hi Marco,

The kit 3921 arrived this morning, the Loco is in very good condition.

The included service booklet for the 3921 is dated...0859.

She's a very nice addition to my collection....thanks ThumpUp

Ian.



Hi Ian,
congratulations ! BigGrin
You got the very first kit 3921 - produced in 1959 !
Märklin produced from 1959 to 1970 10 different "kit 3921".
Your loco of this kit looks like loco 3021 - produced 1958-1959.

Regards
Wolf
Offline Ian555  
#35 Posted : 09 July 2012 18:34:40(UTC)
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Hi Wolf,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Will get some photo's up soon.

I'm still looking for a 1957, 3021 boxed and with instructions.

Still messing around with track plans for 1935 track, will get back to you on that.

Ian.

Offline kweekalot  
#36 Posted : 09 July 2012 21:39:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kweekalot Go to Quoted Post
I like this uber useful topic !

Ian, maybe this is interesting for you as a true V200 collector?
It is a rare in 1960 produced V200 building kit 3921 :

http://www.ebay.nl/itm/M...&hash=item2c650fb01b




Hi Marco,

The kit 3921 arrived this morning, the Loco is in very good condition.

The included service booklet for the 3921 is dated...0859.

She's a very nice addition to my collection....thanks ThumpUp

Ian.



Don't mention it !
So you didn't have to wait long for the arrival of your loco, only 2 - 3 days.
Not bad at all.
Today I became a member of your you tube channel.
Maybe I see your new 1959 V200 run by....Love

Offline Ian555  
#37 Posted : 10 July 2012 05:44:01(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

Yes, very good service, and he included some catalogs in the box. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#38 Posted : 10 July 2012 06:47:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bayer Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

Here is my two 3021's. The first one is the rare 3021.1 with open Lüfter and the other one is the more common 3021.6 from 1961. I've made some pictures showing some differences. As mentioned earlier in this thread the first version has the open Lüfter, but it also has a drum reverse unit and light changing in the direction of travel. It also has the old type metal motor shield with no capacitors soldered on to it. And furthermore the plastic boogies only say "Made in Germany" and not "Made in Germany West".

Here's the first picture showing the open versus closed ventilation grilles. Also look at the doors. The mold was somehow changed in 1961:
UserPostedImage


If anyone has a 3021.2 it would be cool to see whether the characteristics for the 3021.1 mentioned also count for the later models.

Kind regards,
Thor


Just a note regarding the reverse door handle. If you look properly it seems the whole door is -which is not a perfect rectangle- is inverted left to right. If you look at the very first picture -Ian's locos- on this thread at least the loco on the left seems to have the door the same way as the first version on the photograph included here. I suppose there were more than just one mold and one of them must have the door the wrong way around???
Offline john black  
#39 Posted : 15 July 2012 10:33:49(UTC)
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HA !!! One rare #3921 kit !!! Woot Ya lucky boy, my friend - congratulations SmileThumpUp
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
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Offline john black  
#40 Posted : 15 July 2012 10:38:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post

Will get some photo's up soon.

Well, Ian - overwhelmed by yer (understandable) excitement - just don't forget about 'em piccies ... Tongue

I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
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Offline Ian555  
#41 Posted : 15 July 2012 10:58:13(UTC)
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Hi John,

Not long to wait now.Wink ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline john black  
#42 Posted : 15 July 2012 11:22:54(UTC)
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Smile
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
AT&SF, D&RGW, T&P, SP, WP, UP, BN, NYC, ARR, epI-III - analog & digital Marklin Classics only.
CU#6021 FX-MOTOROLA DIGITAL SYSTEM. Fast as lightning and no trouble. What else ...
Outlaw Member of BIG JUHAN's OUTSIDER CLUB. With the most members, worldwide
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Offline kweekalot  
#43 Posted : 17 July 2012 12:29:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Marco,

Thanks very much for the link.

Deal done this morning, photo's when she arrives. Smile

Thanks again.

Ian.




Ian,
Maybe I can be again of some assistant ?
I sent you a PM about this super lovely 1947 rare T800 Loco I saw for sale.


Edit: T800, version 4.

Edited by user 17 July 2012 12:46:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Ian555  
#44 Posted : 17 July 2012 12:53:02(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

Yes, thanks for the PM.

For the moment I'll have to give the Loco a miss, I'm in the middle of buying some 1930's track. Smile

Ian.

Offline kweekalot  
#45 Posted : 17 July 2012 13:36:52(UTC)
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You are welcome, Ian.

Maybe I buy the beauty myself, but it is a lot of money.

I called a Dutch collector a few minutes ago, to check if the asking price is reasonable.

He told me that this 1947 T800 (version 4) Steamloco were sold 3 years ago for € 800 - € 1000, but now the market for 800 series Marklin has dramatically collapsed for different reasons, and prices dropped about 25% and even more.
He told me that the value off a T800(4) without the original carton box is nowadays € 500 - € 600, so the asking price sounds super reasonable.
Offline LMS800  
#46 Posted : 17 July 2012 13:51:36(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

do you have more pictures of this T 800 ??
Wolf
Offline kweekalot  
#47 Posted : 17 July 2012 14:04:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: LMS800 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Marco,

do you have more pictures of this T 800 ??
Wolf


Yes Wolf, I do!!
I had the loco in my hands for 1 hour in a shop today.
But this is the V200 topic of Ian, I start a new topic for the T800, OK?

http://www.marklin-users...7-T800-4.aspx#post346002

Marco

Edited by user 17 July 2012 14:20:54(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline kweekalot  
#48 Posted : 17 July 2012 20:18:55(UTC)
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Ian,
I owe you much apologies for tipping you the bad T800 loco.
I didn't know it was a bad loco.
I will bring the shop owner a visit tomorrow to tell him what I think about him and his so called T800.

Marco
Offline Ian555  
#49 Posted : 17 July 2012 20:23:09(UTC)
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Hi Marco,

No problem, do not worry about it. ThumpUp

Ian.

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