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Offline Ian555  
#1 Posted : 11 March 2012 15:39:53(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all,

So, I know more and more of us are going digital, but what about those who love their analog Loco's and run them on their layout.

As you know, at the moment I run both analog and digital Loco's on my layout (at the same time) and my new layout will be no different, with 3 seperate small layouts to run my analog Loco's on, alongside the digital sections of the layout.

Right, so the question is....How many analog Loco's do you have.

I did a head count this morning and was pleasantly surprised to find I have 54......8 of which are BR23's. Smile

This is not being run as a competition to see who has the most, more to gauge the interest there is, in still owning Analog Loco's.

Ian.



Offline aos  
#2 Posted : 11 March 2012 16:54:59(UTC)
aos

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Ian, I have one left as I have converted or sold all the others. The remaining one is a 3111 brown Belgian loco, which I believe was a limited edition. I shall be putting it up for sale on Ebay soon. Like all my previous stuff that I sold, it is in 100% mint condition as it has hardly ever been used. Alan
Offline Ian555  
#3 Posted : 11 March 2012 17:43:53(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Alan,

I'm sure it will go to a good home.

Ian.

Offline Western Pacific  
#4 Posted : 11 March 2012 17:48:06(UTC)
Western Pacific

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Given that I plan on only having digital control on my new layout, my first response is that there are far too many analogue loks. But more correctly it is about 65 out of close to 250 loks and this counting Märklin only. So converting them, or at least many of them will create a big hole in my wallet. Blushing

If I would count other brands as well, then total number of loks exceeds 350, but given that the majority of these 100 non-Märklin loks are Roco and thus most of them are digital and I may sell the ones which are not.
Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 11 March 2012 18:01:33(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Per,

That's one expense I won't have, I do not intend to convert any of them.

Are you still buying analog Loco's with a view of converting them to digital.

Thanks for your input.

Ian.

Offline RayF  
#6 Posted : 11 March 2012 18:08:38(UTC)
RayF

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I have kept 5 of my locos in original analogue condition.

CM800 Br89
3005 Br23
3001 E63
Primex 2702 E44
Primex 2760 0-6-0 steamer

Of these I might yet convert the Primex 2760.

Of the total of 97 locos in my collection, about 35 were originally analogue. The rest were either delta or digital from new.
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Ian555  
#7 Posted : 11 March 2012 18:26:54(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ray,

I had noticed that some of your recent loco purchases are analog, and you then convert them.

Ian.

Offline RayF  
#8 Posted : 11 March 2012 19:27:31(UTC)
RayF

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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ray,

I had noticed that some of your recent loco purchases are analog, and you then convert them.

Ian.



That's right, Ian. My preference is to run locos in digital mode. Some of the older locos which I've wanted for years get converted as soon as I get them. However, there are some locos on my wish list which I don't intend to convert, such as the 3048 I would like to get this year, and the Berlin S-Bahn train which I want to get in the future.
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Soest  
#9 Posted : 11 March 2012 19:34:38(UTC)
Soest


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I just bought two analogue locomotives so I seem to be bucking the trend. This is what I have:

3003
3015
30159
3027
3029
3048
3109
3179

I have an analogue layout, separate from my digital layout and they are platooned there.
Why do grown men play with trains?
Their wives insist they are insane
But their dreams they won't let down the drain
'Cause there ain't no thing so hard to lose as those disappearing railway blues.
Offline Ian555  
#10 Posted : 11 March 2012 19:46:02(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Michael,

I also, am still buying Analog Loco's/Sets.

Ian.



Offline foumaro  
#11 Posted : 11 March 2012 19:52:55(UTC)
foumaro

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I have 19 analog models and i will keep them in this condition.I want to fix an analog layout in the future to run these nice classics.
Offline hennabm  
#12 Posted : 11 March 2012 20:13:36(UTC)
hennabm

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Hi Ian

all my loks are analog and will remain so as my layout will be purely analog BigGrin

So far I have 20 loks Cool but ebay is my weaknessBlushing

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline steventrain  
#13 Posted : 11 March 2012 20:34:00(UTC)
steventrain

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I have about 30% of Analog locos, 70% was digital/delta.
Largest marklinist Layout with Centrail station 2/Mobile station 2/60174 boosters/C-Tracks/K-Tracks/Favorites class BR01, BR23, BR50/Insider Club membership since 2004.
Offline Ian555  
#14 Posted : 11 March 2012 20:36:12(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Panayotis,

Thanks for your input. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#15 Posted : 11 March 2012 20:37:50(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

Thanks, have you got a BR23 yet.

Ian.



Offline hennabm  
#16 Posted : 11 March 2012 20:39:13(UTC)
hennabm

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Hi Ian

No BR23 yetBlushing It is on my shopping list and I have been watching one or two recently on ebay.de

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline kbvrod  
#17 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:14:12(UTC)
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Hi all,
AC or DC?LOL

Dr D
Offline Yumgui  
#18 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:20:24(UTC)
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Ian,

I'd say 60% analog, 40% digital ... that's with roughly 75 locos (probably closer to 100 ... ) including 2 analog BR53s, until I get my inventory up to date ...

And yeah kbv, that's AC, with only about half dozen DC ... ^^ ! ThumpUp

Yum Tongue

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Offline hennabm  
#19 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:28:55(UTC)
hennabm

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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,
AC or DC?LOL

Dr D


All AC ThumpUp

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline Western Pacific  
#20 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:31:15(UTC)
Western Pacific

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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Per,

That's one expense I won't have, I do not intend to convert any of them.

Are you still buying analog Loco's with a view of converting them to digital.

Thanks for your input.

Ian.



I don't remember when I decided I'd only buy digital loks from that date and I've followed that principle. This means, no I'm not buying analogue anymore.

However, now afterwards knowing what has been presented later, high efficiency 5-pole motors with permanent magnets, some of my early digital purchases could just as well have been analogue. But instead I'll have to stick to my new principle first convert all analogue that I want to convert, then turn to delta loks - I have a few of those, that were only released as such - and finally select the few digital loks that I want to upgrade with 5-pole rotor and mfx/M4 decoders (or possibly DCC).

So one part of my hobby will be to bring out the soldering iron and install decoders. Being an electrical engineer, who so far in his career hasn't touched hardware, not written a single line of software, but still played important roles in developing GSM and 3G cellular standards as well as specifying and marketing equipment for mobile telecom systems, I feel this type of contact with hardware quite relaxing and different from doing work in front of the computer screen or in meetings.
Offline RayF  
#21 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:43:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,
AC or DC?LOL

Dr D


3 rail or 2 rail? LOLLOL
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
thanks 1 user liked this useful post by RayF
Offline kimballthurlow  
#22 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:44:42(UTC)
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Hi,
I purchased all my Marklin after 2005, new, and digital. NO analogue at all.

I do however have analogue brass locomotives (US prototype), and 50 year old Hornby Dublo analogue.
I enjoy both of these sets of models for what they are. They will remain analogue.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin (ep III, C Track, digital) - 2 rail (USA and Australia) - 3 rail (English Hornby Dublo) - a few old O gauge.
Offline JKJ  
#23 Posted : 11 March 2012 23:55:44(UTC)
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Hi,

9 of my 17 locomotives are analogue.
I might convert some of them to digital in the future. I decided to switch to digital about one year ago, and since then, I have only bought digital locos.

Brg
John Kristian


Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#24 Posted : 12 March 2012 02:26:18(UTC)
CCS800KrokHunter3

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100% analog....had a digital one once but didn't know what to do with it / how to operate it so I sold it. BigGrin

Paul
Offline river6109  
#25 Posted : 12 March 2012 02:38:03(UTC)
river6109

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Ian,

I think I have 6 analog locos left.

1 x = 3060 (F7), 2 x 3029, 1 x 3000 (BR 89), 1 x 3472 (SNCF Sedco), 1 x 33321 (OeBB 1020).

there are 6 conversion sets on its way but they don't match above locos.
One day I'll go through them all and find out which one is analog.

John

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Offline Ian555  
#26 Posted : 12 March 2012 07:05:34(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all,

Thanks for the fantastic feedback to that question.....How many analog Loco's do you have.

Today, can we move the goal posts slightly and ask....Do you still buy analog Loco's??

The reason for this question is that recently there has been a sharp increase in the price of 60's/70's Loco's on e-bay, and I was wondering if there is an under lying trend to this.

For myself, I am still buying analog Loco's (3085 this weekend).

Ian.

Offline foumaro  
#27 Posted : 12 March 2012 07:26:23(UTC)
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I had a list of must have analog models.I bought most of them on ebay.de.I have some more to buy so if i will find the money i will
try to buy them.I bought 3005,3023,3047,3048,3000,3001,3002,3034,3039,3062,3181,3129,3021,3022,3127,3111,all with boxes
and papers,and i want to have the other 3062 new haven(i have the rio grande),3060,3038,3159,3050.I love the top quality of
these models and this is the reason i want to have them.
Offline Ian555  
#28 Posted : 12 March 2012 07:30:54(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Panayotis,

Wonderful collection of analog Loco's. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline RayF  
#29 Posted : 12 March 2012 09:01:20(UTC)
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I still buy analogue models, but mainly with a view to converting them to digital.

Some of the models from the '70s and '80s were excellent, and easily and cheaply converted to a great digital loco. The last loco I bought, 3033 Br114, cost me less than €120 including the cost of the 60760 decoder kit.

However, as I posted earlier, I do keep some analogue, and this year I want to get a nice 3048 for my small analogue collection.
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#30 Posted : 12 March 2012 09:45:12(UTC)
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My 3000 and 3005 are both still analog. The 3000 will stay analog, but I'm undecided about the 3005.

I have a 3065 and 3131 V100's, and a 3021, all of which will be converted to digital.

And, I have just scored an SK800, which will definitely stay analog (pictures will follow, when I get it).

Edited by user 13 March 2012 08:41:17(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Ian555  
#31 Posted : 12 March 2012 10:02:37(UTC)
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Hi Ray,

I agree, some of the old Loco's (if not all Smile ) are best left just as they are.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#32 Posted : 12 March 2012 10:05:20(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Dave,

Looking forward to photo's of your SK800. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline river6109  
#33 Posted : 12 March 2012 11:22:07(UTC)
river6109

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Ian,

Naturally prices will go up for locos in good condition, with papers and the original box.

However there is quite a price difference between 50 and 60 stuff or earlier models such as the F800, SK 800, SE 800, SEW 800 SEW H 800 and CCS 800 and others.
Going into the 60's and 70's and later there has been the odd loco which fetched bigger amounts.

So one has to be aware and include the possible price these locos can sell for.

I've said it before and say it again to buy locos for an investment is a waste of money from these later years and anybody does buy them for what they are is a complete different option.

I did convert a 3025 to digital (6080 decoder) but the spareparts had been kept and when I sold it everything was put back to its original condition.

My personal opinion is, there is a limit to what year you can start converting locos and the locos I've mentioned above are excluded and others I haven't mentioned from that era and before.

Also some of the models if not all did come in a different upgraded version, if you like, e.g. SET 800, 3027, 3047 and I have converted them into digital.
Some of the SK 800 I've seen has been more or less bejond repair (Zinkpest) and to repair them professionally most probably cost you more than one in a good condition.

John
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Offline Ian555  
#34 Posted : 12 March 2012 11:58:11(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi John,

No, I wasn't thinking of them as an investment ( I do that in bricks and mortar.) and was not comparing them to the earlier 50's loco's.

The price increase was really just from when I got "back in" to Märklin, say 3 years ago, when a nice 2-10-0 Loco would cost £75, to now costing £175.

Like you said, nearly everything goes up in price.

Ian.

Offline BrandonVA  
#35 Posted : 12 March 2012 12:44:27(UTC)
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I have 11 analog locos, but my total collection is "only" 18 locos, and the remaining delta/digital locs are run in analog mode. Everyone enjoys the hobby differently, I have decided I don't really have any interest in going digital. My current plan is to continue collecting as many "classic" analog locos as I can over the next few years to grab up good copies that have not yet been converted. I like to have the locos in their original configuration from the factory. My particular area of interest at the moment is not super rare, locos made from the mid 70s-early 90s. I have a limited budget at the moment, and I find I can enjoy a very nice copy of many analog locos for $100-200 USD via eBay, while most brand new digital models cost much more.

I do not mean any offense to those who do conversions, certainly do what makes you happy!
Offline keigwin  
#36 Posted : 12 March 2012 12:54:29(UTC)
keigwin

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I now have 27 locos, all Marklin, all digital.
All Marklin Digital Era II - V with CS2 60214
Offline NZMarklinist  
#37 Posted : 12 March 2012 12:57:17(UTC)
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Hi All,
I purchased all the Loks I have after 2005 as well. The two MFX ones that were part of the Starter Set I bought in 2004 got sold back in 2006 when I replaced with same set incl with CS1. That all got sold too, back when I used to have guilt feelings about too much Marklin. Blushing
You'll all be pleased to know that I've got over that now BigGrin LOL
The only analogue Lok I've bought was my 3077 Zeplin Rail Car which has had extensive Digital modifications, and right now is having further up grades Wink

Edit; How could I have forgotten my 3016 Rail Bus and two 4016 Trailers. I bought them, unused on ebay in 2005, with the intention of converting them, and may still do. However when the 39980 came out in '06 I shelved them, still unused, but have still kept them as a momento of my childhood Marklin days Blushing BigGrin

Edited by user 12 March 2012 13:43:25(UTC)  | Reason: typo

Glen
Auckland NZ

" Every Marklin layout needs a V200, a Railbus and a Banana car", not to mention a few Black and red Steamers, oh and the odd Elok !

CS1 Reloaded, Touch Cab, C Track Modules, K track layout all under construction. Currently Insider
Offline Ian555  
#38 Posted : 12 March 2012 13:54:14(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Brandon,

Sounds like a good plan. ThumpUp

Ian.



Offline Ian555  
#39 Posted : 12 March 2012 13:57:13(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mark,

And a BigBoy. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#40 Posted : 12 March 2012 14:01:47(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Glen,

I to have a 3016 Railbus with only one trailer, and a "few" banana wagons. ThumpUp ThumpUp

Like you say "every layout should have one." Smile

Ian.


Offline Johnvr  
#41 Posted : 12 March 2012 20:24:48(UTC)
Johnvr

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Hi all,

I always had all analog locos from the time I started with Marklin in 1967 until 2005.
For me, it was fun designing signalling systems and track control to allow several trains to run around layouts, switching turnouts and creating reverse loops with signals.

Then, in 2005, I purchased a Delta Starter Set to see what multi-train control was like (ICE-2 starter set).
Since then, I have been converting my analog locos to digital, and purchasing digital loks.
If you have an interest in electronics, then it is actually quite rewarding to install decoders into old trains.
I have about 20 loks running on delta/digital, and 5 loks remaining on analog (Tank locos and Railbus)
These remaining analog ones will be for my grand-children to play with one day !

I have heaps of M-Track, literally heaps !
But have been buying C-Track recently because I enjoy the geometry of C-Track. No more little tiddly bits !

To be honest, I prefer the old trains (Class 01, Class 23, Class 24, Crocodiles, Ae6/6, etc) from the 1970s to the new ones and I am delighted to see these old loks running around with digital control which conversions I have done myself !!

Regards, BigGrin
John


Offline kbvrod  
#42 Posted : 12 March 2012 20:42:02(UTC)
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Hi Ray,all,

Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi all, AC or DC?LOL Dr D
3 rail or 2 rail? LOLLOL


Since you asked,.....Flapper

I do have M starter sets,which will forever be analog,......and a coffee table layout to showcase them.

BR 52 Güzhold,.....
BR 55 Fleischmann,TCS M-1 installed
BR 56 Fleischmann ECS M-1,.....been busy LOL
BR 57 Roco,plug-in decoder,.......been busy Blushing
Piko Kö, *cough* hard wire job.
BR 98 Fleischmann,plug-in Zimo,......don't ask!!!Cursing LOL

Dr D
Offline mike c  
#43 Posted : 12 March 2012 22:29:55(UTC)
mike c

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I don't exactly understand what some of the posts are trying to say.

For example, CCS800KrokHunter3 said
Originally Posted by: CCS800KrokHunter3 Go to Quoted Post
100% analog....had a digital one once but didn't know what to do with it / how to operate it so I sold it.


Most digital models (and all AC digital models for Maerklin) can also be used on analog layouts. This may require adjustment of dip switches (on older Maerklin digital or delta models), but most modern models can simply be placed on the track and operated right out of the box.

Secondly, for anybody who has older analog loks, Maerklin released a number of upgrade kits which allow the modeller to replace certain parts and install a digital decoder, meaning that your old classics can easily be upgraded for operation on digital layouts as well as also on classic analog tracks, so I cannot understand why people would sell rather than convert (or have converted).

I, personally, have a good number of models that are analog. I should have bought the digital models at the time, but I only went digital after 2001, so many of my Hag models (for example) are analog. I guess that I will have to plan on having them converted at some point. My Maerklin collection has been updated. I managed to replace most of my delta Re 4/4II with swapped chassis from more recent models. My Ae 6/6 are all digital with the exception of my 3337. I may convert that one at some point. Same for my Re 460. I still have a few delta loks, which can be used on digital as is, but may convert those as well.

My Roco loks with the exception of one Re 4/4IV are already digital ready, so that is not an issue.

My priority for the moment is the conversion of my Hag Re 460s. The SOB Re 4/4 is also a priority. The Re 4/4IIs, Re 6/6s and Ae 6/6s are less urgent as I already have digital models of those lok types.

I guess that my next decision will be digital vs digital with sound and once I have made that decision, I should start by converting a few of my advertising and special livery Hag loks to digital so that I can move on to the next topic... Should I stay with my 6021s or should I move to CS2 or ECOS type controller?

It seems that this issue opens up a whole can of worms and a flood of other issues. Has that held any of you back in your decision to convert/upgrade from analog?

Regards

Mike C
Online 5HorizonsRR  
#44 Posted : 12 March 2012 23:06:05(UTC)
5HorizonsRR

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All- a reply and a note/suggestion BigGrin

- only about 5 analogue locos here: 3038, 3018, 3030, 3066 and 3046. All sort of came to me, otherwise I'm new and digital.

Now a suggestion:

when building your layouts, fully isolate one loop of track. (meaning hot and ground) Then place a pair of toggle switches in the wiring to that loop. Toggles flipped one way connect to the rest of the layout (digital) and toggles the other way connect to a good old Marklin trafo. Then you can run digital or analogue on the one loop, and for fun add a few old school 7039 signals and you can run a few trains without crashing. Laugh BigGrin
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#45 Posted : 12 March 2012 23:27:38(UTC)
Frankenbahner

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Most of my H0 gauge stuff has been digitalized. A few analog locos remain, however, only to await their digitalization.

My streetcars are still analog.

About two weeks ago, I got some N gauge stuff - Minitrix, Fleischmann, Arnold, Kato - as a gift. Meanwhile, I added a Arnold V 100 to the consist, so I have five locos, and four railcars in N gauge now. They are all analog, and I'm not planning to change this.

H0 gauge streetcars, and N gauge, however, run with DC. It just must be said that analog DC is more comfortable to handle than analog AC: no reversing unit, no flashing lights.... (because of this reason, before digital age, many Märkliners ran their Märklin stuff with 3-rail DC).

Regards,
Florian


H0 3-rail AC with DCC, MM and mfx, 2-rail DC streetcars, and N gauge
Offline BR01097  
#46 Posted : 13 March 2012 00:04:21(UTC)
BR01097

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Of the eighty-five in the roster, all are analog but a total of eight: five have DELTA decoders and 3 have a digital chip. The DELTA system limits the number of locomotives that can be used on a given layout. Those that share the same call number are isolated electrically on a siding until rotated in. I can see the benefits of digital operation, but its drawbacks become equally apparent when functions on locomotives fail or they refuse to move. There are no plans to convert any analog locomotives to digital.

Edited by moderator 16 March 2012 11:13:35(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified


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Offline Piggy  
#47 Posted : 13 March 2012 00:05:14(UTC)
Piggy

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I have 30 locos, 28 digital and 2 analogue waiting to be converted. When I got back to the hobby some years ago I decided to go digital, and converted the 6 locos I had at the time. For me it is part of the hobby converting my locos. I don't own any old rare locos that would loose value by converting. I must admit sometimes I thinking about having a separate small analogue M track layout.
Regards
Kenneth

CS1 update - K & C tracks - German Era 3B & 4, with some Swiss and Austrian visitors. - My Layout
Offline rbw993  
#48 Posted : 13 March 2012 00:52:07(UTC)
rbw993

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I have one, Z scale all HO are digital.
I have some in other scales that aren't Marklin but that doesn't count, right?

Roger
Offline seatrains  
#49 Posted : 13 March 2012 04:06:14(UTC)
seatrains

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All but 2, so roughly 18 analog and 2 digital. Stuck in the stone age...here in tech town, Seattle...
Thom
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4th Division, Pacific Northwest Region, National Model Railroaders Association
Offline Ian555  
#50 Posted : 13 March 2012 07:02:39(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi John,

I've only seen a couple of old converted Loco's running (thanks Alan) and they do run very smoothly.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#51 Posted : 13 March 2012 07:07:33(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

This is something I have not tried, running a digital Loco on the analog section of my layout.

Can you give some advice as to what Loco's I could try this with first, so as not to incur any damage.

Ian.

Offline Mark5  
#52 Posted : 13 March 2012 09:34:52(UTC)
Mark5

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Hi Ian and everyone ... great comments and dialogue!

I have a small bunch of Analog only.
Four "electric" trains with pantographs (funny since all Marklin are electric really) a few nice "steamies" and a cadre of 3000s and couple of others.
( I am not yet too number conversant, but do find myself memorizing the numbers now)

The question I have is... now that I am getting back into it after so long....

...how many of your analogs are actually in working order? Mellow
Either from neglect, abandon, or buying old stuff like me...

For example I have some that I have yet to tested yet at all. (new ebay lots)
and of the 3000s ... I have 6x here and one finally in a "picture" box coming in the mail to make 7x.
... I know of 3 that don't run! But I want to get them all up and running ...
Read in an old catalogue that there were 5 million of these made, must be many more now.
The VW beetle of the Marklin world?

FYI I call the "picture boxes", the blue boxes with the fabulously illustrated Lok image on the box. My fav boxes actually.
Is there an actual genre name for these things?

Anyway... Enjoyed reading this thread, and I find the different views really amusing. Smile
Its so great to see other grown men passionate about "toy" trains,
makes me feel just a bit less of a train geek... but there's no harm in becoming one now, is there? Wink

MM
Interested in history of DB, DR and FS from about 1955 to 1965
Fan of signals and catenary; stations and yards. Is there anything else?

Offline DV  
#53 Posted : 13 March 2012 10:15:02(UTC)
DV

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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Mike,

This is something I have not tried, running a digital Loco on the analog section of my layout.

Can you give some advice as to what Loco's I could try this with first, so as not to incur any damage.

Ian.



Ian,

everytime I give advice it seems to be either slightly wrong or not enoughBigGrin and I usually am put in my place rather quicklyFlapper .

So to your question. Any MFX loco will run on analogue, as the decoder senses whether it is analogue or digital. I also believe the FX are the same.

One way you would know is if it moves it's OK. If it doesn't move then it is one where the switches have to be set to off - which means taking the body off and going through the process AND remembering what address it was set at when you want to return it to digital.

OK, I'm now ready to be shot down in flamesFlapper LOL BigGrin Tongue Razz
Dusan V
'I find your lack of faith (in Märklin) disturbing'
Offline intruder  
#54 Posted : 13 March 2012 10:23:07(UTC)
intruder

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Of my 124 132 H0 locomotives three are analogue.

3013 version 4 (made 1958-1966)
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I got this from a collegue many years ago, and it is not so bad, after installing new pantographs, couplers, lamps etc.

3016 version 2 (made 1958)
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I got this from a friend, hand painted to cover some scrathes.

3021 version 5 (made 1961-1962).
UserPostedImage
Bought second hand some months ago.

As you see, they are far from mint condition, so I will probably convert them to digital, to be able to run them on my future layout.
I have no plans to have an analogue section on my layout.

I still buy analogue locomotives, but basically to convert them to digital.

Edited by user 17 February 2013 12:38:34(UTC)  | Reason: Updated number of HO locomotives

Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline Ian555  
#55 Posted : 13 March 2012 11:15:13(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Dusan,

So, you can just operate from a blue transformer, and what about when you want to reverse the Loco.

Or, have I got that wrong.

Ian.



Offline Ian555  
#56 Posted : 13 March 2012 11:17:40(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Svein,

Thanks for your input, you are very nearly 100% digital.

Ian.

Offline RayF  
#57 Posted : 13 March 2012 11:28:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dusan,

So, you can just operate from a blue transformer, and what about when you want to reverse the Loco.

Or, have I got that wrong.

Ian.





Ian,

All Marklin digital locos will work in analogue, including reversing. The decoder does the job of the reversing relay. Some delta locos have to have their DIP switches all set to OFF for them to work in analogue.

The problem with using blue transformers is that the older ones have a very large voltage at the reversing pulse. These can damage some of the newer decoders. You will probably be safe using a blue transformer with delta, 6080, 6090 and 6090x decoders. For MFX and newer FX decoders you should use one of the white transformers. These are very cheap, especially if bought split from a starter set, so it's probably a good idea to replace your older blue transformers anyway.
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
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Offline Western Pacific  
#58 Posted : 13 March 2012 11:42:09(UTC)
Western Pacific

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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dusan,

So, you can just operate from a blue transformer, and what about when you want to reverse the Loco.

Or, have I got that wrong.

Ian.





Ian, with a blue transformer I would be a bit careful if the lok has a recent mfx, since the blue transformers under certain conditions generates a direction change pulse with a too high voltage, in other words it may fry the decoder. However since you are in Scotland and if your blue transformers were originally designed specifically for the UK market and marked as designed for 240 V on primary side, then it may work if your house is supplied by the more recently defined 230 V and it is closer to 230 V than 240 V since the European standard allows for some tolerances. (If you are close to a transformer it can be a bit over 230 V and if you are far from it may be closer to 220 V. The way to find out is to measure the mains voltage, but do it at a time of day when the load in the supply network is low, for instance after 22h00 or before 05h00, since a the voltage is lower if the load is high on the network in a residential area, for instance when people get up and turn on electric kettles, make toast or in the evening when they get home from work and start cooking dinner etc.).

The safe way to do it to use a white transformer, which shall not generate a direction change pulse that would fry mfx decoders.
Offline BrandonVA  
#59 Posted : 13 March 2012 12:41:12(UTC)
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Ian - a bit of an echo of some others;

Tom (H0) informed me about the old blue transformers recently. I purchased three new white (grey) transformers...Marklin 6646 for 120v US, I believe the 240v part number is Marklin 6647. Very good price on eBay :) The new white ones are all 32va, there is no longer a 16va/30va option. I love the old blue transformers, but these new ones are nice too...probably a bit smoother in operation. My kids seem to control the trains a bit better, I think they like the speed markings around the control knob. I am using some of my old blue transformers for powering lights, accessories and the 7051 crane. The other small bonus of the "new" white transformers is they are a bit smaller...makes your control deck a little more tidy.

Regarding running of digital locs on analog, just put them on the track and then will go as though they were analog. Every digital/delta loc I have will do this (although as stated above, I only have about 7). Most of them are very new (last 2-3 years). I would note that as already discussed serveral times around these forums that digital locos are much more sensitive to any dirt on the track. If the track is not clean, the running characteristicis of a digital loc running on analog track are not that great. I also have a BR64 with the C-sine, a very nice model...but it does not seem to run that well in analog operation (I think someone said this is typical for C-sine?). Otherwise I would guess it's the short wheelbase that makes difficult grounding sometime.

-Brandon
Offline Ian555  
#60 Posted : 13 March 2012 13:06:25(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ray,

I think I will stick with what I know best, and run my analog and digital Loco's together but on different sections of the layout.

Your idea, from now nearly 2.5 years ago, of running my analog Loco's thro' the main station, is one that I still really enjoy, having the analog and digital Loco's mixing it together, and will somewhere be incorparated into the new layout.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#61 Posted : 13 March 2012 13:10:06(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Per,

Thanks for the very useful information. ThumpUp

For my own peace of mind I think I'll just run things as they are...safer and cheaper. Smile ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#62 Posted : 13 March 2012 13:12:32(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Brandon,

Thanks for your input, but like I've just said, better the devil you know.......

Will just play safe. Smile

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#63 Posted : 13 March 2012 13:17:30(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all,

My total analog Loco's has just went to 56.

This morning had delivered a boxed 1970 3029, and a boxed 3085, not sure of the date...grey slide out type box.

Photo's soon.

Ian.

Offline utkan  
#64 Posted : 13 March 2012 15:59:21(UTC)
utkan

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....with your permission...Blushing

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UserPostedImage

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UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

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plus three ICE(2 experimental+Ice 3) and a TRANS EUROP EXPRESS

ONLY a KÖFF and a LUDMILLA digital the rest is all ANALOG.....counting is free....RollEyes RollEyes
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The world is analog!
Offline Ian555  
#65 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:07:40(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi mehmet,

My good friend, I do not have enough fingers to count all those wonderful Loco's. ThumpUp

But, no fat lady...Wink Smile

Ian.

Offline Eurobahnfan  
#66 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:36:00(UTC)
Eurobahnfan

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Great topic and thoughts. I started a little late with Maerklin, but decided from the beginning to go with Delta/digital and have never regretted it. Lately, however, I find I'm purchasing more analog locos from the sixties and seventies, a time when I would have loved to have Maerklin -- but couldn't afford it on my paper route and lawn mowing salary. BigGrin I've also purchased a fair bit of M track with hopes of creating a small, dealer-type display layout to showcase all of them in action. I know it's strange, but I actually enjoy running them the old-fashioned way through signal blocks -- the same way I enjoy my old, pre-war Lionel trains. For now, I don't plan to convert any of them. In time, who knows?
Offline BrandonVA  
#67 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:43:46(UTC)
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Mehmet, I think I speak for most here - I approve. Laugh LOL

What's really impressive is not just the collection, but that there is an area to display it all.
Offline Ian555  
#68 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:48:28(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Steve,

I don't intend to convert any analog loco's either. Smile

Ian.

Offline Nigel Packer  
#69 Posted : 13 March 2012 16:55:33(UTC)
Nigel Packer

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Well, my collection is mostly Digital, but I have just counted and I have more than 250 Analogue locos. My layout is Digital only, so the analogue locos form part of my collection, where I try to have at least one representative sample of each Märklin product. I won't convert any more analogue locos to Digital, though I have done some in the past.

Of that number, more than 50 are old 800-series locos, and more than 40 are Primex, mostly in still-sealed original boxes.

I do still collect analogue locos, three new ones this week. Where possible, I only buy new and unused locos, with original boxes.

Sometimes I think it is, after all, possible to have too many Märklin locos. And sometimes I think it isn't . . .

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
Offline charles Sharpe  
#70 Posted : 13 March 2012 17:20:20(UTC)
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Hello All.

I have 4 analogue locs. 4] 460 and 1] 4/4 1
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline Ian555  
#71 Posted : 13 March 2012 17:29:47(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Nigel,

What a wonderful collection of analog Loco's.ThumpUp

Maybe, one day, thro' our Marklin Club UK, I could have the privilage of viewing them.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#72 Posted : 13 March 2012 17:32:02(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Charles,

Are you still buying analog Loco's.

Ian.

Offline mike c  
#73 Posted : 13 March 2012 18:29:18(UTC)
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For more recent Digital loks (ESU or new Maerklin decoders):

These loks can be used in digital or analog operation. The decoders detect whether the track is proving a digital or analog signal and select the operation mode internally. In analog operation, the decoder will reverse the direction of the locomotive when a voltage spike is detected. It is strongly recommended that newer digital loks only be operated on new analog transformers as the older blue transformers may damage the decoders due to excessive voltage (at top speed or when reversing). Older transformers can still be used for accessory operations.

For older digital (with Maerklin/Motorola decoder) and delta loks:

These loks can also be used in digital or analog operation. These loks come delivered from the factory set for analog operation. Modellers using the loks with delta or digital controllers are required to remove the lok shell and to select a delta/digital address. Once a specific address has been selected, the loks may no longer respond to analog commands. If you have a delta or digital lok that you wish to operate on an analog layout, remove the lok shell and switch all the dip switches to off (Delta 4 switches/Digital 8 dip switches). Some digital loks of the final 6090 decoder series may already be set to accept digital or analog commands.

On some of the earlier digital models, some features (lights, etc) might not function in analog mode. This is normal and is mentioned in the lok instructions.

It is also important to pay attention to things like coach lighting. Digital operation results in constant power being supplied to the track, so coach lights will be on all of the time. Normal operation meant that the lights would be off when stopped, dim when starting stopping and bright at full speed. Operating the older interior lights constantly may cause the bulbs to heat and could damage the plastic light channels inside the coaches. In such a situation, it may be necessary to replace the bulbs with ones with higher voltage tolerance, which will yield less brightness and less heat during operation.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Ian555  
#74 Posted : 13 March 2012 18:45:15(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

Thanks for the interesting information. ThumpUp

Ian.


Offline charles Sharpe  
#75 Posted : 13 March 2012 21:11:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Charles,

Are you still buying analog Loco's.

Ian.



Hello Ian

I prefer digital as they seam to me run a lot smoother and have more power but having said that if a analog floats my boat then I would buy it.

Charles.
CHARLES SHARPE
Offline steventrain  
#76 Posted : 13 March 2012 21:25:39(UTC)
steventrain

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Excellent collection, Utkan.
Largest marklinist Layout with Centrail station 2/Mobile station 2/60174 boosters/C-Tracks/K-Tracks/Favorites class BR01, BR23, BR50/Insider Club membership since 2004.
Offline Nigel Packer  
#77 Posted : 13 March 2012 22:16:32(UTC)
Nigel Packer

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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
What a wonderful collection of analog Loco's.ThumpUp

Maybe, one day, thro' our Marklin Club UK, I could have the privilage of viewing them.

Ian.


Yes, I hope so! Only geography is in the way! (And my Digital collection is much, much larger . . .)

Nigel
Märklin collector since age 5.
H0 Collection from 1935 to today.
Offline Ian555  
#78 Posted : 14 March 2012 06:17:56(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Nigel,

I look forward to that very much. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline river6109  
#79 Posted : 14 March 2012 06:29:26(UTC)
river6109

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Ian,

If I read your post correctly it isn't about whether digital or analog is better or worth or what advantages or disadvantages they may have.
It opens up the forum who has what and for what purpose or reasons, if any.
Analog locos suit me, they are simple and straight forward but I've made the biggest mistake in my life, converting anlaog locos to digital and I can't stop converting them.BigGrin

John
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Offline foumaro  
#80 Posted : 14 March 2012 07:15:52(UTC)
foumaro

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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dusan,

So, you can just operate from a blue transformer, and what about when you want to reverse the Loco.

Or, have I got that wrong.

Ian.





Ian,

All Marklin digital locos will work in analogue, including reversing. The decoder does the job of the reversing relay. Some delta locos have to have their DIP switches all set to OFF for them to work in analogue.

The problem with using blue transformers is that the older ones have a very large voltage at the reversing pulse. These can damage some of the newer decoders. You will probably be safe using a blue transformer with delta, 6080, 6090 and 6090x decoders. For MFX and newer FX decoders you should use one of the white transformers. These are very cheap, especially if bought split from a starter set, so it's probably a good idea to replace your older blue transformers anyway.


Very useful information,thank you very much Ray.
Offline Ian555  
#81 Posted : 14 March 2012 07:18:01(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi John,

I only asked how many analog Loco's members have.

Ian.

Offline hxmiesa  
#82 Posted : 14 March 2012 17:04:27(UTC)
hxmiesa

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My layout is analog too, so all locos I have run in analog mode.
Unfortunatly many new(ish) locos comes with full- or Delta-decos, so analog buying is not really an option in our 3-rail world.
When buying second-hand I always spot for analog locos. They are also a lot cheaper now, seeing that there is less demand.

In numbers, I think around 20 of my locos are analog (that´s around 50% of the fleet)
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
http://hoexbroe.tripod.com
Offline Ian555  
#83 Posted : 14 March 2012 18:29:30(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Henrik,

Thanks for your input. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline rhtastro  
#84 Posted : 14 March 2012 21:21:06(UTC)
rhtastro


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Analog locos? I presume you're talking about HO. My answer is 0.0. For Z it's 16.

S--Bob
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Offline Ian555  
#85 Posted : 15 March 2012 05:59:08(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Bob,

Thanks for your input. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline utkan  
#86 Posted : 15 March 2012 13:17:18(UTC)
utkan

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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi mehmet,

My good friend, I do not have enough fingers to count all those wonderful Loco's. ThumpUp

But, no fat lady...Wink Smile

Ian.



That is FAT LADY's problem,IanBigGrin

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The world is analog!
Offline utkan  
#87 Posted : 15 March 2012 13:24:03(UTC)
utkan

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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
Mehmet, I think I speak for most here - I approve. Laugh LOL

What's really impressive is not just the collection, but that there is an area to display it all.


Hi Brandon,

There are certain steps for me;

1-) To come across the itemLove

2-) To pay a reasonable amountRollEyes

3-) To get rid of the boxWink

4-) To lay the item on railsDrool

5-) To seek the highest ways of pleasure from itLove Love

6-) To keep it in a place whereever I can see best....LOL

Cheers,

mehmet
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The world is analog!
Offline petestra  
#88 Posted : 15 March 2012 13:33:38(UTC)
petestra

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Hi Ian, currently 22 analog + 13 digital which I run analog. PeterCool
Offline Ian555  
#89 Posted : 15 March 2012 15:19:30(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi mehmet,

You were also looking for a BR45.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#90 Posted : 15 March 2012 15:21:11(UTC)
Ian555

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Originally Posted by: utkan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
Mehmet, I think I speak for most here - I approve. Laugh LOL

What's really impressive is not just the collection, but that there is an area to display it all.


Hi Brandon,

There are certain steps for me;

1-) To come across the itemLove

2-) To pay a reasonable amountRollEyes

3-) To get rid of the boxWink

4-) To lay the item on railsDrool

5-) To seek the highest ways of pleasure from itLove Love

6-) To keep it in a place whereever I can see best....LOL

Cheers,

mehmet



Hi mehmet,

I like number 2.Smile

Ian.



Offline Ian555  
#91 Posted : 15 March 2012 15:23:44(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Peter,

Thanks, so you run you're digital loco's on a white transformer.

Ian.


Offline petestra  
#92 Posted : 15 March 2012 16:59:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Peter,

Thanks, so you run you're digital loco's on a white transformer.

Ian.




Yes Ian, I do. I now have 4 white transformers. I replaced the blue ones months ago just to be sure
as not to damage the new Loks. Peter

Offline Ian555  
#93 Posted : 15 March 2012 18:11:35(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Peter,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Ian
Offline jcrtrains  
#94 Posted : 15 March 2012 19:00:05(UTC)
jcrtrains


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Location: Toronto, Ontario
I am all analog with no plans to convert.

Well over a 100 now and I follow the same six step process as Mehmet. My current issue ( such a terrible issue to have!) is that I need another showcase!
Offline intruder  
#95 Posted : 15 March 2012 23:36:22(UTC)
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Nigel Packer wrote:
Sometimes I think it is, after all, possible to have too many Märklin locos. And sometimes I think it isn't . . .

No, Nigel, it isn't.
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline BR01097  
#96 Posted : 16 March 2012 03:19:01(UTC)
BR01097

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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Ian,

If I read your post correctly it isn't about whether digital or analog is better or worth or what advantages or disadvantages they may have.
It opens up the forum who has what and for what purpose or reasons, if any.
Analog locos suit me, they are simple and straight forward but I've made the biggest mistake in my life, converting anlaog locos to digital and I can't stop converting them.BigGrin

John






The seller--a very nice and reputable guy in the State of Maine, with whom I've dealt many times--indicated the locomotive he had up for auction had had its wiring modified by one of its former owners, who put in his own. It was a #3021 Diesel express locomotive (Koll's version 12) which had an excellent, almost pristine finish. I could hardly pass up the discount seeing as it has a unique road number from my other two V200's. At worst, I'd get the motor running as a permanently-coupler double unit, or switch bodies. It also struck me as a perfect candidate for digital conversion, to which I am not necessarily opposed.

It turns out arriving on my doorstep that the finish is indeed well preserved, but the insides were not modified by its original owner, because it had come as the #3921 kit. As with analog locomotives fortunately most all of the "damage" was fixible and it was easily put to right. (The project engrossed me the whole day, I forgot about lunch and dinner.) A lot of the reward of this hobby is the elation over rescuing another locomotive given up for "dead", similar to the thrill I get in figuring out how my 42-year old car is engineered and getting it to run right again. It's what makes this a hobby and not just a pastime.

Edited by moderator 16 March 2012 11:15:18(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified


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Collector of Märklin fine-quality trains since 1966.




Offline Ian555  
#97 Posted : 16 March 2012 08:08:51(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi jcrtrains,

Interested in your showcase, with all those analog Loco's, any photo's.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#98 Posted : 16 March 2012 08:11:14(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Svein,

I agree. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#99 Posted : 16 March 2012 08:13:49(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Br01097,

All in a day's work. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#100 Posted : 17 March 2012 02:55:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
And, I have just scored an SK800, which will definitely stay analog (pictures will follow, when I get it).



Piccie as promised.


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Other piccies are in the 'What locos did you buy in 2012' thread.
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