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#1 Posted : 03 February 2012 19:05:27(UTC)
kskato

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Location: Wichita Ks
03.10 loads onto MS2 with ;
'Database' [39711]
'Program Loco' menu
'Change Loco' menu

no problem there,,

But the decoder wont set the Acceleration/deceleration with my MS2 !

So I've played further with it.... and the plot thickens ....

If I change the address w/MS2.. I lose communication with Loco.
Its like he takes the new address,,, but wont communicate with it ?

Do a reset[ default add.3 ] and he communicates- lights, ABV & runs.

I then put 37912 on my InfraRed layout,,, it refuses to address to '60 _
It just flips between front & rear flashing lights for 3-5 minutes.
Lights stop,, but no communmication !

Sooo ... I put back on MS track - no communication with address 3 or 60...
Sooo ....I delete loco ,, Reset loco ,, it runs.... BUT as usual, it wont change start voltage, Acceleration/deceleration, etc .

I have 8 other locos, all communicate/operate with MS 2 just fine.

Anyway, can I get into his head under 'Program Loco' write to some CV and snap him out of this ?
Am I off some step in the programing ?

Howard[/size][/size]
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#2 Posted : 03 February 2012 19:30:58(UTC)
H0

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Hi!
Originally Posted by: kskato Go to Quoted Post
If I change the address w/MS2.. I lose communication with Loco.
Its like he takes the new address,,, but wont communicate with it?
If the MS2 uses the new address, but the loco keeps the old address: no communication.

If you can change address neither with MS2 nor with the infra-red controller (both should be able to do it), then it really seems to be a faulty decoder.

Back to dealer or Märklin for a warranty repair - or buy a new decoder of your choice (with MTC 21 interface, I presume).

IIRC the acceleration setting is used for both acceleration and deceleration with those el cheapo decoders. Changing deceleration will have no effect, but changing acceleration and changing address should have effects.

Edit: Maybe the fault is using loco 37911 as a template. This loco has an old-fashioned decoder with "mouse piano" (aka DIP switches), so nothing can be programmed for 37911.
Try to add the loco manually using "MM programmable" (or whatever they call it in English) and try changing address and acceleration again. Maybe this won't make a difference, but you should try it before sending her back.

Edited by user 03 February 2012 19:37:23(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Regards
Tom
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#3 Posted : 03 February 2012 23:22:34(UTC)
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But... Isn't the 37912 set mfx with auto-register for eg MS2?
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RayF Online
#4 Posted : 03 February 2012 23:36:49(UTC)
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The 37912 locos have neither DIP switch nor MFX decoders. They have the FX type, similar to the one in a 60760 set.
Ray from the Rock.
Mostly Marklin Era III & IV
Still using my trusty 6021
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#5 Posted : 04 February 2012 06:23:21(UTC)
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
Hi,

I have occasional similar problems with some locos on my layout (with CS1), but I always switch off the controller, wait for 10 minutes. When switched on again, problems have disappeared.

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin digital DB ep III, C Track - other 2 rail HO scale models (US - N&W and Australia - Queensland) - English LNER/BR Hornby Dublo 3-rail - a few clockwork items O gauge Märklin and Hornby.
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#6 Posted : 03 March 2012 23:26:22(UTC)
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For everyones Information..

"With the MS2 make sure it is updated to system 1.8 by plugging it into a CS2
that is updated to system 2.0.1.


The answer to my problem = these "cheap" make a fast buck- decoders uses in some 37XXX locos :

[I say 'cheap-garbage decoder' because 36XXX cheapo decoders are OK, expensive Mx 37/39XXX decoders
work fine as well on SW 1.3 MS2's ]



Sooo,,
If you have a MS2 or M* IR setup.

( And possibly MS 1's, I wonder, would their software be more 'up to date' than a MS2's _SW 1.3 ? ) _

Watch-out buying 37XXX FX Locos !!!!!!!!!!!!

Have the dealer confirm it will Program & Work on your Marklin Digital system.

Just because both are produced by Marklin .. no Guarantee they'll work together !!!!
Dont assume Marklin will watch your back on this.

I find that a sad thing....

I guess I'll only be able to buy 36XXX engines with confidence.

Every 36XXX with Sound or not _ work fine, program fine !!


OHH..
While I'm typing warnings to other NoN-CS people ... heres another for people with M* IR system :

The low .400 ma of the IR system is not enough power for Zeppelins and Locos with multiple motors and 39XXX W/multiple sound features.

So far my 36XXXX LOcos w/sound are fine on the IR system, so thats good.
But watch out when you buy, M* isnt.

Howard



RayF Online
#7 Posted : 04 March 2012 09:39:41(UTC)
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Hi Howard,

I have a 37912, and it works fine with my 6021. Programming works the same as with any of my locos fitted with a 60760 decoder.

Are you saying that the MS2 won't work with any of these decoders?
Ray from the Rock.
Mostly Marklin Era III & IV
Still using my trusty 6021
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#8 Posted : 04 March 2012 10:13:11(UTC)
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60760 decoder manual said 'Select a suitable locomotive from the database (example: 36850).
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#9 Posted : 04 March 2012 18:09:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Hi Howard,

I have a 37912, and it works fine with my 6021. Programming works the same as with any of my locos fitted with a 60760 decoder.

Are you saying that the MS2 won't work with any of these decoders?



Sorry, I'm not describing problem very well.
The 37912 has trouble communicating /programing with my Mobil Station 2.

Only under one of the variation of programing will it communicate to change address.
[I cant remember which programing variation it was right now that communicated with Loc
on its 03 address.]


When I was finally able to communicate it on add. 03, it will not change the acc. / braking, VMAX .


With the IR unit the 37912 just flashes the lights for several minutes and dosent program the IR assigning address.


No, the other decoders_ Hobby locs [sound/ or no sound models], 37777 Zepp, 37312 MFX, 39302 work great, so dont think its the MS2 per-say.
Its M* putting software version 1.3 in it and M* putting this non-compatible '60760' in
the 37912 that upsets me.

I will have to pay postage and shop fees for someone to update my MS2.
When the MS2 should of been compatable with the '60760' to begin with !
And the '60760' should of been compatible with the IR unit to begin with !


Howard
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#10 Posted : 04 March 2012 18:25:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kskato Go to Quoted Post
And the '60760' should of been compatible with the IR unit to begin with!
I once had a loco with a faulty 60760 decoder: it was moving in one direction only.
I sent it back, they fixed it and now it works.

Faulty items can happen.
Their QA could be better, this would reduce the number of faulty items sent to customers.
But I presume more than 99.9 % of all 37912 locos run fine with any MS2.
Regards
Tom
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#11 Posted : 04 March 2012 18:43:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
60760 decoder manual said 'Select a suitable locomotive from the database (example: 36850).


OK, I'm tring it with your 60760' angle.
Now is the loco suppose to be addressed to the 36850's address of '24' ?
The MS2 shows loco is on '24'.
No responce_ The loco is on address 03.

I'll change loco to 24.
OK it changes address and responds.
But Acc./braking wont program.


Thanks anyway,
Howard
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#12 Posted : 04 March 2012 18:51:23(UTC)
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It's a feature of the 60760 decoder that the setting for the braking delay (DEC) will be ignored. The acceleration setting (ACC) is used for both acceleration and braking.
Regards
Tom
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#13 Posted : 04 March 2012 18:54:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: kskato Go to Quoted Post
And the '60760' should of been compatible with the IR unit to begin with!
I once had a loco with a faulty 60760 decoder: it was moving in one direction only.
I sent it back, they fixed it and now it works.

Faulty items can happen.
Their QA could be better, this would reduce the number of faulty items sent to customers.
But I presume more than 99.9 % of all 37912 locos run fine with any MS2.


Tom,

Maybe it is a faulty decoder..
Its a dealer that suggests its the software in the MS2.
I'm not sharp enough to have a theory on problem.
Just waste time and the frustration trying to get a product to perform
as promised. Not knowing if its me or the loc !? Glare

Thanks

Howard
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#14 Posted : 04 March 2012 22:28:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kskato Go to Quoted Post
Not knowing if its me or the loc !? Glare
I know that feeling.
It seems this is your first loco with 60760 decoder (the others you mention have mfx decoders), so it's not easy to answer that.

Regards
Tom
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