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GSRR		#51 Posted : 26 February 2012 15:58:48(UTC)
Joined: 01/03/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,339 Location: USA		Fabrice, Great looking layout and progress. Are you only using a standard s88 or will there also be an s88 with occupancy detection, such as the Viessmann 5233? r/Thomas
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French_Fabrice		#52 Posted : 26 February 2012 16:33:35(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: GSRR Fabrice, Great looking layout and progress. Are you only using a standard s88 or will there also be an s88 with occupancy detection, such as the Viessmann 5233? r/Thomas only 5217 (S88 std), no 5233. Cheers Fabrice
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pab		#53 Posted : 26 February 2012 19:24:17(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,295		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: pab Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Originally Posted by: pab I see a lot of ground connections on just one side of the track. I suppose you know that the rails in K track are not connected. Is there a specific reason for the ground connections on one side? All one-sided ground connections are here to provide feedback to the S88 modules. When a loco or a wagon stays in a section (block) delimited by 2295 tracks and linked thru such a ground connector to the S88, the corresponding information on the S88 line is set to "up", and then the software can deal with the fact the corresponding block is occupied... Does it answer to your question ? Cheers Fabrice Yes that makes sense, but you also need right side connections for the normal ground connection and left side connections outside the isolated S88 sections. Are those connected in another way? I you look at my plan, the grey straight sections are the 2295 tracks (one side sectioned rails). The red sections (for lvl 1 & 2) are feeder track rails (violet for lvl 3), providing both "B" and "O" lines. As a general rule (except when I've forgotten it) most of the time a sectioned block is followed by a feeder track, so I always get both left and right rail connected to ground outside the block. So I can use either the left or right rail inside a block, depending on the way I put the sectioned tracks, to get the S88 signal. Cheers Fabrice Thanks for the explanantion.
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steventrain		#54 Posted : 26 February 2012 20:41:19(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 25,047 Location: United Kingdom		Looking good process.
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French_Fabrice		#55 Posted : 26 February 2012 21:41:35(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Folks, Regarding post #40 and the "emergency escape lane" (as found on some highways), I've done it. See below: Happily, the straight section between the left and right curved turnout had exactly the length of a straight turnout. So I put it, draw a curve (its end was exactly in the middle of a pillar -murphy's law ! ), then a straight line with a high slope. A 7% slope...I hope it will be enough From an other angle... I've done a test with a 3 wagon set and all went fine. They stop at the first 1/3 of the slope ... I don't know if it will be useful, but I've tried to prevent some disaster. Still have to put some side supports in the aerial part of the ascending ramp... Cheers Fabrice Edited by user 27 February 2012 07:09:42(UTC)  | Reason: typo
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French_Fabrice		#56 Posted : 04 March 2012 19:08:15(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hi all, A few shots of the beginning of the upper level... The long descending ramp... First (of 5) upper plate...Placing the tracks Curved track bed not yet done... Detail from below... General perspective of the descending ramp, still from below (curved track bed finished) Upper level 2 first plate, from below, ... Upper view... Final overview... Next step: start wiring of ramp and upper plate... Cheers Fabrice
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petestra		#57 Posted : 04 March 2012 20:12:45(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, your layout is going to be super! Cheers,Peter
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French_Fabrice		#58 Posted : 04 March 2012 20:21:08(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks, Peter ! How about your kitten ? Still interested by trains ? Cheers fabrice
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petestra		#59 Posted : 04 March 2012 20:28:02(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Thanks, Peter ! How about your kitten ? Still interested by trains ? Cheers fabrice Bonjour, Fabrice. They are no longer kittens at 6 years old but both Black Jack and brother Izzy still act and play like kittens. Black Jack loves the trains and knows now how to behave. They are good boys, just like your miss Lili . Peter
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Yumgui		#60 Posted : 04 March 2012 21:58:24(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Paris, France		Very nice progress Fabrice, thanks for the photos ! Interesting structural system with the flat steel sections, it's "food for thought" ^^ ;) Yum
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Ian555		#61 Posted : 05 March 2012 06:11:33(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,006 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great progress on the layout. Ian.
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BrandonVA		#62 Posted : 05 March 2012 15:49:00(UTC)
Joined: 09/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 836 Location: VA		Tri-level and proper benchwork, how can you go wrong? If you're like me, it may make you feel the need to get some more "strong" locos to pull things up and down the grade :) Any excuse, right?
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French_Fabrice		#63 Posted : 05 March 2012 19:25:37(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks to all ! @Brandon : Unfortunately, there are many ways to go wrong. One I have to fight against is impatience (for the tracks to be connected together)... Cheers Fabrice
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Yumgui		#64 Posted : 05 March 2012 20:17:17(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Paris, France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice ... One I have to fight against is impatience ... Cool Fabrice, cool, all in due time ... ^^ Yum
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French_Fabrice		#65 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:35:41(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hi Fans, The week-end work started well... I took measurements for 2nd upper plate and prepared a piece of ascending ramp ...I even put a metal mast with led...very nice....and... The "disaster" occurred : not enough height between the ascending ramp and the upper plate to put a tunnel ! So I had to change the plan...Happily, I had only to reduce the curve radius, shorten a bit the siding and invert a turnout. The original plan is drawn in blue on the left hand-side... The fuel depot from rear... Overall view. I still have to cut out a bit more the 2nd upper plate to allow a decent tunnel entrance. This project is very compact, and this time I had luck to find out a solution for my very big mistake... I hope I can finish the layout as planned . Maybe it's too ambitious for my skill level...But I don't give up! Cheers Fabrice
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Yumgui		#66 Posted : 11 March 2012 22:40:54(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Paris, France		Excellent Fabrice ! Fonce (Go for it) ... ^^ Y
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petestra		#67 Posted : 12 March 2012 00:16:28(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, you have done a-lot of work. Looks great. Peter
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ac jacko		#68 Posted : 12 March 2012 00:19:01(UTC)
Joined: 09/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 828 Location: Gawler South Australia		Excellent layout and enjoying the trip of builidng and planning imensly. Keep going sir
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river6109		#69 Posted : 12 March 2012 02:50:00(UTC)
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 9,277 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		At last we see a layout constructed with k-track to get somesort of a balance from the M & C-track connoisseursand what a layout it is. John
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French_Fabrice		#70 Posted : 18 March 2012 19:44:12(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hello fans, Some significant progress this week ...Let me show you... Fuel depot with light masts. Closer look on switching tower. Placing station tracks. The turntable is also in place. The station in background. The station from another angle. Turntable and last upper plate (draft version: cutting has still to be done) Overview of week-end works... Current state... Still a lot of work to do, but the first rendering is interesting Cheers Fabrice
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TrainIride		#71 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:20:33(UTC)
Joined: 22/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 881 Location: FRANCE		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice ... Still a lot of work to do, but the first rendering is interesting Cheers Fabrice Hi Fabrice. Great progress in only a few months! Congratulations. Your layout is great. It remembers me so when i started my layout some years ago - with wood and screws - even if mine is more simple. Regards Joël
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Webmaster		#72 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:26:56(UTC)
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 7,777		I hope the inspector is happy with the progress too... A lot of height and clever trackwork, how much will be visible in the end?
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Yumgui		#73 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:32:42(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,252 Location: Paris, France		Thanks for the progress pics ! Y
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Ian555		#74 Posted : 18 March 2012 20:41:22(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,006 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Enjoying watching a K track layout come together. Ian.
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steventrain		#75 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:00:56(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 25,047 Location: United Kingdom		Very good process.
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French_Fabrice		#76 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:31:31(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks to all ! @Juhan : The visible part is composed of most of the upper layer (Level 3) + the ascending ramp in the front part (still in progress). See post#1 - Level 3; you will notice also a small hill/mountain with tunnels on the rear-left part of upper level. Cheers Fabrice
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Superlampster		#77 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:34:36(UTC)
Joined: 25/01/2012(UTC) Posts: 43 Location: Sweden		Looking good! Regards Henrik
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petestra		#78 Posted : 18 March 2012 21:40:36(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, wow the layout looks great! You have really done a-lot of work. Keep those photos coming! Cheers, Peter ps- regards to Lily from Black Jack and Izzy!
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Chris6382chris		#79 Posted : 18 March 2012 22:04:51(UTC)
Joined: 11/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 909 Location: Wine Country, CA		Really looking great. Keep up the great work and do keep the pictures coming. Chris
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pab		#80 Posted : 19 March 2012 10:58:50(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,295		Very interesting.Lots of possibilities. Very good looking.
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French_Fabrice		#81 Posted : 25 March 2012 19:37:08(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hi all, Nothing spectacular this week-end, except all tracks are connected ! A few shots, as usual... The bridge... The missing link The last piece of the puzzle in place Ascending ramp : overview Final overview of infrastructure Inspector evaluating the results ...Hmm, still work pending...not really finished! Next steps: have a break, think, wire, test all before starting tunnels, and later scenery... Stay tuned. Cheers fabrice
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Johnvr		#82 Posted : 25 March 2012 20:02:09(UTC)
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 636 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		Fabrice, Looking fantastic ! You must be very pleased with the progress so far. Good luck on the next phases. Regards, John
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Loadmaster		#83 Posted : 25 March 2012 22:42:00(UTC)
Joined: 03/02/2010(UTC) Posts: 853 Location: So Cal		I just reviewed your postings and I am impressed. I really like the metal brackets and metal straps you use for spport. I've never seen that type of construction and may try that concept. Rob
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petestra		#84 Posted : 25 March 2012 23:50:06(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice. The layout is really coming along quite quickly. You're really done a great job. Mademoiselle Lily seems to be excited about the running of trains too. Peter
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Ian555		#85 Posted : 26 March 2012 04:49:09(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,006 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great to see a K track layout being built. Ian.
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French_Fabrice		#86 Posted : 26 March 2012 19:20:36(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Thanks to all @Rob : The main reason which led me to use metal straps and bracket was the lack of room, i.e. the descending ramp is behind the wall (rear side), and the left hand-side is near the entrance of my room... The drawback is : it's more difficult to shape/cut/drill ...and you need adequate tooling , but then it's rock solid Cheers Fabrice
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igf2		#87 Posted : 27 March 2012 16:08:04(UTC)
Joined: 29/04/2010(UTC) Posts: 243 Location: France		Nice & quick progress... Well done Fabrice Cheers Jean-Pierre
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steventrain		#88 Posted : 27 March 2012 17:30:30(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 25,047 Location: United Kingdom		Looking great.
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Marklin in Oz		#89 Posted : 28 March 2012 19:12:00(UTC)
Joined: 24/11/2011(UTC) Posts: 132 Location: Lawrence Kansas		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice First off I'd like to say this is an amazing looking layout. Excellent work! Second, with your permission I'd like to share this picture with a friend. He's not big into Marklin like we are, but he IS big into cats and the look on inspector Lili's face is priceless! -Fred
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French_Fabrice		#90 Posted : 29 March 2012 06:10:31(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Quote: First off I'd like to say this is an amazing looking layout. Excellent work! Second, with your permission I'd like to share this picture with a friend. He's not big into Marklin like we are, but he IS big into cats and the look on inspector Lili's face is priceless! -Fred Hi Fred, You can share this picture with your friends. The only restriction I would set is "not for making money". I give love to my cat and she is a living creature. I do not consider her as some goods, so use this picture if possible with the same state of mind and respect. Cheers Fabrice
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jvuye		#91 Posted : 29 March 2012 07:16:01(UTC)
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 1,270 Location: France		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice Looks like she's saying:" Do you really plan to go on with this?" Precious moment! My cat is only happy when trains are running. If they don't she pushes them! Oh, no Honey! Not the Fulgurex Be 4/6 please!!
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petestra		#92 Posted : 29 March 2012 16:19:11(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		Hi Fabrice, I see you treat your lovely Mademoiselle Lily like part of the family, just as I do with my boys, Black Jack and Izzy. I am always still amazed at the unconditional love that they give to us. Layout is looking super! Peter
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French_Fabrice		#93 Posted : 07 April 2012 14:50:05(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hello fans ! No layout pics today 'cause no noticeable visual change. I've wired all remaining main blocks in "draft mode" in the upper level and tested the layout with 10 trains running in automatic "random" mode . By "random", I mean the software (Rocrail) automatically chooses the available routes depending on block occupation and associated timers. Quite impressive... But when something goes wrong (for instance a turnout motor has a problem ), I need to reset all the automatism, i.e. tell the software that loco XX is in block 12, loco YY in block 15, etc. By the way, do some of you use feedback on turnouts with sensors or special motors or other means ? If yes, would you mind to provide me some link (or short explanation) if possible on this topic ? Here's a pic of the schematics under rocrail: Now, going to test again and change some parameters... Cheers Fabrice
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petestra		#94 Posted : 07 April 2012 14:52:31(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		It sounds like a very large undertaking, Fabrice. Good luck! Peter
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French_Fabrice		#95 Posted : 15 April 2012 19:18:06(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Hello Marklin fans, After a lot of testing, I've had some trouble (derailment ) with one switch and long locos in the hidden ramps (i.e. level 2). So I've decided to modify a bit the level 2. During the modification, I've also added 3 new blocks to level 2. Now the total is 26 blocks for the main tracks (level1+level2+level3) without sidings. Here's the new plan for level 2: And a few shots of the results It works perfectly now Now it's time to setup definitive wiring for the upper level. Cheers Fabrice
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Ian555		#96 Posted : 16 April 2012 05:01:04(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,006 Location: Scotland		Hi Fabrice, Great progress on your layout. Ian.
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DigitalNZ		#97 Posted : 16 April 2012 07:13:21(UTC)
Joined: 13/12/2011(UTC) Posts: 166 Location: Wellington, New Zealand		Wonderful Fabrice, It's great to see a layout being built! I can't seem to make my mind up on what to build permanently so am stuck with test / long term temporary layouts. I've got a few plans in mind but I will procrastinate over it a bit longer. I'm very much looking forward to seeing more progress on your layout. Kind Regards, Daniell
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petestra		#98 Posted : 16 April 2012 10:21:11(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,313 Location: washington,dc		That's going to be one exciting layout, Fabrice. Excellent! Peter
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Goofy		#99 Posted : 16 April 2012 16:08:28(UTC)
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 4,706 Location: Helsingborg, Sweden		Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Works on hold... Inspector is inspecting... Cheers Fabrice I know why inspector is mad!!! You haven´t cut out a hole on the worktop because you have underground rail yard. So what happens if train set derailment and you cannot reaching trainset...
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French_Fabrice		#100 Posted : 16 April 2012 17:15:16(UTC)
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 361 Location: Lyon, France		Originally Posted by: Goofy I know why inspector is mad!!! You haven´t cut out a hole on the worktop because you have underground rail yard. So what happens if train set derailment and you cannot reaching trainset... You're right. That's the main flaw in my design . I cope with it... Cheers Fabrice
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