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Offline Ian555  
#1 Posted : 16 October 2011 04:00:38(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all,

Welcome to Baden-Württemberg PartIII.

Firstly, I must thank all the forum members and our guests, for the amazing support in BW PartII through out this last year.

Who would have believed, in a period of 52 weeks, that Baden-Württemberg PartII would have over 1.75M views, and this just shows what a great forum we have and I must thank Juhan for making this all possible.

A Big Thankyou....to everyone.

Ian.

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Offline Ian555  
#2 Posted : 16 October 2011 04:32:49(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's a great way to get Baden-Württemberg PartIII started, I'm going to be building a NEW LAYOUT.

The idea for this started way back in February, hence the reason that work stopped on the cabin layout, and we had plans to build another garage close to where the new extension was being built.

So, we contacted our local planning department with our idea's and it went from there.

We obtained our Planning Permission back in July, and our Building Warrant was granted nearly 3 weeks ago.

I hope the following photo's will give some idea of what the new building will look like.

It's what we call a one and a half storey building, and is of the same design as the house and our garage/granny flat.

Anyway, getting to the important stuff, this gives me a 60 square meter room upstairs for the layout and a Märklin workshop/storeroom and small kitchen area and also a very handy toilet and whb all downstairs.

This still leaves parking for 2 goodsized (American) cars in the garage spaces.

Ian.


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Offline Ian555  
#3 Posted : 16 October 2011 05:44:37(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's a couple of photo's of what the inside of the new garage will look like.

Ian.


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Offline utkan  
#4 Posted : 16 October 2011 06:07:25(UTC)
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What can I say,Ian...just Drool Drool Drool

Cheers,

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Offline Ian555  
#5 Posted : 16 October 2011 06:41:01(UTC)
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Hi mehmet,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Will be well into next year before I start laying track.Smile

Ian.

Offline steventrain  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2011 06:44:12(UTC)
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It is a huge room for layout.OhMyGod

What long by wide feets is the new layout? Have you moved layout to new room from hut?
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2011 06:46:50(UTC)
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Hi Ian, that's the stuff dreams are made of!


What are you going to do with the cabin layout?
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#8 Posted : 16 October 2011 06:48:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
What long by wide feets is the new layout?



9.0m x 6.8m overall (from measurement on the plan).
Offline Nielsenr  
#9 Posted : 16 October 2011 07:20:34(UTC)
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Looks awesome!! Are you going to have a helix to bring trains from the garage up to the train room?? LOL!!

Robert
Offline utkan  
#10 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:09:44(UTC)
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I know how this story ends up...The whole family moves to the Present Train Hut to live...The rest becomes for trainsCursing Flapper BigGrin
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Offline Ian555  
#11 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:16:41(UTC)
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Hi Stephen,

I had to convert it from meters but roughly the room is 30 feet long by 21 feet wide.

The garage will be built starting early (March) next year.

I will be running the cabin layout right thro' until next winter.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#12 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:20:34(UTC)
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Hi David,

It's still a good bit in the future and I will cover my proposed plans for the new layout shortly, but most of my M track will be used in my new Versteckte Station.

Ian.

Offline RayF  
#13 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:28:29(UTC)
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Great news, Ian!

I look forward to seeing your plans for the new layout, It sounds like you might already have an idea of what the track layout will be.

There are so many questions on my mind! Are you going to use all M track again? Will you be going for a massive hidden station like the old one, with a helix for access? Are you going for split analogue/digital operation again? Will you finish the scenery this time? (sorry) BigGrin

Can't wait!
Ray

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Offline Ian555  
#14 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:36:43(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

I will have 2 Helix on the layout, 1 will be on my new C and K track layout and the other on my M track (center stud) layout.

Very roughly the new layout will be split into 4 sections on the main level......

20 sq.m new C and K track.

6 sq.m center stud M track.

6 sq.m solid center rail M track.

5 sq.m "16 sleeper" solid center rail M track.



The lower level, I've put a lot of thought into and plan on having 600mm of free access space (which is 700mm between tracks) and this level will be split into 3 sections.

Hidden station for the C and K track layout.

Hidden station for the M center stud track layout.

O gauge layout.

Plenty more on all this later.

Ian.
Offline Ian555  
#15 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:41:15(UTC)
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Hi mehmet,

Smile

Ian.

Offline ac jacko  
#16 Posted : 16 October 2011 08:41:53(UTC)
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Will you putting in a lift in for the latter years Ian as srairs will have an impact eventually
Offline hennabm  
#17 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:25:48(UTC)
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Ian
the cat is now out of the bag.Laugh

Good luck with the building and I hope the weather isn't too severe to stifle the building works.ThumpUp

Look forward to watching the progress on this one.Smile

PS any thoughts on dates for another Scottish meeting?

Mike
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Offline Ian555  
#18 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:37:42(UTC)
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Hi Ray,

As you know, there will be NO computer diagrams of the layout I'm afraid Smile , so will a simple sketch do.

After running the trains in the cabin layout for the last couple of years or so, my main design consideration for the new layout will be ACCESS.....to all and every part of it.

My Münstertal layout will be built into the new layout as well, this will give me 4 different layouts on the main level.

The framework will be built in the middle of the room, this will give me access to all 4 sides, the max width of any section will be 2200mm and the framework will roughly be a U shape.

Simple sketch to follow.

Ian.



Offline aos  
#19 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:39:48(UTC)
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Ian,

Just in case it is not big enough, I hear Livingston Development Corporation have some newly built office blocks available ;-)

Congratulations on the new venture. Alan
Offline RayF  
#20 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:41:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ray,

As you know, there will be NO computer diagrams of the layout I'm afraid Smile , so will a simple sketch do.

After running the trains in the cabin layout for the last couple of years or so, my main design consideration for the new layout will be ACCESS.....to all and every part of it.

My Münstertal layout will be built into the new layout as well, this will give me 4 different layouts on the main level.

The framework will be built in the middle of the room, this will give me access to all 4 sides, the max width of any section will be 2200mm and the framework will roughly be a U shape.

Simple sketch to follow.

Ian.





Hi Ian,

A simple sketch would be great. The best layouts I've seen have been sketched on a paper napkin or the back of a cigarette packet! BigGrin
Ray

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Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Ian555  
#21 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:45:03(UTC)
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Hi Dale,

The latest building Regulations state,

You must provide wheel chair access to the property,

The stair shall be suitable for a stairlift to be installed.

Looks like I'm sorted......Wink Smile ThumpUp

Although I'd better go and check how B1 will get up there.Woot

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#22 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:50:38(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for keeping this under wraps. ThumpUp

If the weather turns like last year then we won't start until next March.

As for another meeting, I enjoy them so much, lets not leave it too long. ThumpUp (weather permitting)

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#23 Posted : 16 October 2011 09:53:01(UTC)
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Hi Alan,

Thanks. ThumpUp

I've still not got any smoke fluid. ThumbDown

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#24 Posted : 16 October 2011 10:09:52(UTC)
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Hi Ray,

Here's some simple sketches of the new layout, but of course there is plenty of time to change things around.

As you can see, the main section (A) will be all new C and some K track and will be using R4 and R5 curves etc and will also have a double line that will run right round the layout.

B, C, and D are my M track stud center rail and solid center rail with D being built above and between the 2 of them and this is built using my "16 sleeper 1930's track"

From the rear of the layout there is an access walkway which will involve a "duck under" to get to it.

Really interested on your initial thoughts on the idea's.

Ian.


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Offline Ian555  
#25 Posted : 16 October 2011 11:18:36(UTC)
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Hi all,

Some photo's of where the new Train Room will sit in the garden.

We had the top soil dug up and formed into a big pile, ready for being planted out.

When we start the build, I'll again show this as a topic in NMR......The New Train Room.

Ian.


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Offline Ian555  
#26 Posted : 16 October 2011 11:42:32(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's a short video of the digger at work at the site of the new Train Room.

Ian.



Offline pab  
#27 Posted : 16 October 2011 12:05:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Ray,

Here's some simple sketches of the new layout, but of course there is plenty of time to change things around.

As you can see, the main section (A) will be all new C and some K track and will be using R4 and R5 curves etc and will also have a double line that will run right round the layout.

B, C, and D are my M track stud center rail and solid center rail with D being built above and between the 2 of them and this is built using my "16 sleeper 1930's track"

From the rear of the layout there is an access walkway which will involve a "duck under" to get to it.

Really interested on your initial thoughts on the idea's.

Ian.








Maybe you should consider a dogbone type of lay-out for the A section. With one loop on one level and a second on a lower level with a shadow station. Or with two lower levels and two shadow station. You still can have a double line running around most of the visible level. The advantage is when a train dispairs to the right it will come back from the right and not running around in circles.
Offline hennabm  
#28 Posted : 16 October 2011 12:48:38(UTC)
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Looks like you didn't have to dig too deep to find the hard. Are you using a concrete folat as the base or are the founds to be dug out yet?

When I built my garage in Inverness the digger had to go down about 5ft before he found the hard. I then had about 16 tonnes of fill to bring it up to the level I needed.

Mike
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Offline Ian555  
#29 Posted : 16 October 2011 12:52:53(UTC)
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Hi Piet,

Thanks, will look into that idea. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#30 Posted : 16 October 2011 13:02:58(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

It will be a strip foundation, what you see is just the top soil removed, what happens next is the surveyor gets the garage sitting in position, square to the end of the house etc and then marks out the founds on top of the yellow clay that is showing.

Then the strip found is dug out and down till we reach blue clay, which on our site is only about 6oomm down from the yellow clay.

This will all depend on what the weather has in store for us, as you should really dig out the founds and pour the concrete all in the one day.

Did you have any joy with the photo's from Saturday 1-10-11.

Ian.
Offline Ian555  
#31 Posted : 16 October 2011 13:29:40(UTC)
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Hi all,

Last year when Baden-Württemberg PartII started I bought myself a BR10 37084 Loco.ThumpUp

For the start of PartIII, I have ordered Set 31806 from Lokshop and it will not be delivered till some time in November, but worth the wait.Smile

Ian.
Offline petestra  
#32 Posted : 16 October 2011 14:29:40(UTC)
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Hi Ian. This is a super way to get the world out of the world-wide recession!
Everyone build a train room extension! PeterWoot
Offline Ian555  
#33 Posted : 16 October 2011 15:02:28(UTC)
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Hi Peter,

Do you think that will work. Smile

Ian.

Offline Darren W  
#34 Posted : 16 October 2011 15:43:36(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
What a great fantastic plan for the garage/layout room. I will do my best to help part 3 get to the 2 million mark.BigGrin Did the C-track in your My World set influence your decision to get C-track? Building a model train layout for me is about the journey and not the destination. Like many people say a layout is never finished and always can be tinkered and changed. My wife has threatened that if I don't show some progress with the stuff I have there will be no new purchases. I'm motivated now.Scared

Cheers
Darren
Offline Ian555  
#35 Posted : 16 October 2011 19:54:47(UTC)
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Hi Darren,

Thanks, I'm looking forward to making a start to the new Train Room. ThumpUp

I reckon there will always be plenty of M tracks on the layout. Smile

Ian.

Offline Yumgui  
#36 Posted : 16 October 2011 21:27:54(UTC)
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Jeez Ian,

Could you give us all some time to catch up ?

Your building rate is great to see ... but is albeit far more than I and/or most can muster !

Quite amazing ThumpUp

Keep it coming plz ...

Yum Tongue
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Offline DV  
#37 Posted : 16 October 2011 21:32:10(UTC)
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Ian,

what can I say (that hasn't been said by others).Drool You really give inspiration to others to just go for it!BigGrin

Looks to me as though another trip to Scotland is in the pipeline in the near future.RollEyes

Will the entrance fee still be the same? 1.2 kg of ............Wink Wink

fee.

By the way, have you run out yet?Confused

Do you require anymore?Confused

No probs in providing you with your magic elixir.LOL LOL

All the best with your new project.ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
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Offline ricky  
#38 Posted : 17 October 2011 02:38:34(UTC)
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OhMyGod OhMyGod OhMyGod Drool Drool Drool ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp

Cheers,
Ricky Smile [speechless!!!]
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#39 Posted : 17 October 2011 04:48:51(UTC)
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Why not post him some "Smiths" 'Vegemite Chips'.
They're damn addictive!!
The newspaper article, and a picture!
Offline Ian555  
#40 Posted : 17 October 2011 05:08:42(UTC)
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Hi Yum,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#41 Posted : 17 October 2011 05:15:46(UTC)
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Hi Dusan,

You would be more than welcome for another visit, and the entrance fee has been held at the same price for 2012.Smile

Will have a blether soon. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#42 Posted : 17 October 2011 05:28:43(UTC)
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Hi Ricky,

As Peter said, I'm doing my bit for the world recession. Smile

Truth be told, this is an excellent time for this type of project...

Suppliers are very keen to sell materials and tradesmen are looking for the work.

Ian.



Offline Ian555  
#43 Posted : 17 October 2011 05:31:09(UTC)
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Hi Shintaro,

Chips with anything sounds good. Wink Smile

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#44 Posted : 17 October 2011 05:35:15(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's a video of 9 Loco's running on the layout.

We have, 3 analog, 5 digital and 1 battery powered.

Ian.




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#45 Posted : 17 October 2011 06:04:50(UTC)
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Pure Majik.

Making me think about getting up off my backside and doing the wiring and setting up to run 6.

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#46 Posted : 17 October 2011 06:17:43(UTC)
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As above.

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Offline Ian555  
#47 Posted : 17 October 2011 06:36:31(UTC)
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Hi Nev,

It's great fun when you get that number of Loco's running (and very loud), because you just can't keep an eye on all of them, they disappear into a tunnel and you hope they reappear at the other end.

I reckon on getting 12 Loco's running all at the one time, but would be very tricky to get all set up, so maybe I'll get B1 to give me a helping hand. Smile

Thanks again.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#48 Posted : 17 October 2011 06:42:18(UTC)
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Hi John,

Thanks. ThumpUp

I hope your expert advice on track design will again be available when I start the new layout. Wink ThumpUp

Thanks again.

Ian.

Offline finwen  
#49 Posted : 17 October 2011 07:43:46(UTC)
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A new house for the 29200 train set and the smurf :)

Looks like a nice building and lots of place for a nice layout. Will be interesting to follow your layout and constructions ideas later.

I will hopefully get a train room to next year. I am highest bidder now on a house with some place over for that :)
Going from a 3 room apartment to a hopefully house with 260m2 of area (with the basement) will allow some more trains.....

Offline Ian555  
#50 Posted : 17 October 2011 07:51:52(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

Good luck with the house purchase. ThumpUp

Over here in Scotland we do not build houses with a basement (water table to high ?), but a 260sq m house would be considered to be a large house....plenty room for trains.

Ian.



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#51 Posted : 17 October 2011 08:40:16(UTC)
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Ian,

Your new train House with plenty of room, is this going to be the train communication centre for the marklin-users.net or is it a second un-announced cave entrance ?

I may missed past posts but what are you going to do with the existing train room ? will there be an underground connection (The tube) or an endless viaduct linking the 2 together ?

I'll better get my act together because by the time March 2012 arrives all the attention will be when you reach the 2,000.000 post not including cars.ThumpUp



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Offline RayF  
#52 Posted : 17 October 2011 08:46:53(UTC)
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Very impressive display, Ian! ThumpUp

I love the possibilities that a large layout like this open up for multi train running. I guess that this many is a bit scary though!
Ray

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Offline Ian555  
#53 Posted : 17 October 2011 09:12:00(UTC)
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Hi John,

I hope when I get the new Train Room built it will be the ideal meeting place for our forum members,hopefully manage to get a few more to come along to the meetings.

The Log Cabin will become a Garden Room with maybe a small sauna inside and a hot tub sitting out the front.

The entrance to the cave is still waiting on planning permission. Smile

I started Baden-Württemberg 2 years ago this week and if you add the total views together we have...2131200. Smile ThumpUp

Ian.



Offline Ian555  
#54 Posted : 17 October 2011 09:58:11(UTC)
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Hi Ray,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Maybe, on one of your trips to UK, you could find time for a visit to Baden-Württemberg, and run some Loco's yourself. ThumpUp

Ian.

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#55 Posted : 17 October 2011 10:13:04(UTC)
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Ian,

Your new train House with plenty of room, is this going to be the train communication centre for the marklin-users.net or is it a second un-announced cave entrance ?

I may missed past posts but what are you going to do with the existing train room ? will there be an underground connection (The tube) or an endless viaduct linking the 2 together ?

I'll better get my act together because by the time March 2012 arrives all the attention will be when you reach the 2,000.000 post not including cars.ThumpUp



John



Good point John, maybe keep the old train room and I like the tunnel idea, so when the missus is calling "the great escape" option will be ideal to crawl away LOL
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#56 Posted : 17 October 2011 10:40:12(UTC)
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Hi Dale,

Smile

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Offline steventrain  
#57 Posted : 17 October 2011 14:10:22(UTC)
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Excellent video.ThumpUp

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#58 Posted : 17 October 2011 14:37:13(UTC)
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Hi John,

I hope when I get the new Train Room built it will be the ideal meeting place for our forum members,hopefully manage to get a few more to come along to the meetings.

The Log Cabin will become a Garden Room with maybe a small sauna inside and a hot tub sitting out the front.

The entrance to the cave is still waiting on planning permission. Smile

I started Baden-Württemberg 2 years ago this week and if you add the total views together we have...2131200. Smile ThumpUp

Ian.





Ian,

Well we have to go for 3.000.000 than.Blink
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Offline Ian555  
#59 Posted : 17 October 2011 14:46:45(UTC)
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Hi Stephen,

Thanks. ThumpUp

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#60 Posted : 17 October 2011 14:55:49(UTC)
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Hi John,

OK, we'll go for that. Wink

Ian.

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#61 Posted : 17 October 2011 15:43:24(UTC)
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Hi all,

A couple of weeks back our good friend Nev showed us his latest Banana vans. ThumpUp

I had never seen that type before, so myself and B1 went on an e-bay hunt, to try and find some.

Last week we got lucky, bid was accepted and they arrived last Thursday.

The box date is 06-65 and the only thing is that they have slightly different coloured roofs, they look ok, but what colour should the roof be, the light or the darker colour....what do you think.

More photo's tomorrow.

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#62 Posted : 18 October 2011 00:18:35(UTC)
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Not sure what the colour should be but not like my van.

PS: my latest as shown in my pic is not Maerklin but M Like.
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Offline Shintaro  
#63 Posted : 18 October 2011 05:38:07(UTC)
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I'll take a stab at this, and say the light metal colour would be the correct one. The darker may have been "weathered" to suit the modellers collection.
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#64 Posted : 18 October 2011 05:48:13(UTC)
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Hi Nev,

Sorry, I was thinking about the middle van in........All Things Banana's...Post 280, and post 278 looks very like it also.

Ian.

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#65 Posted : 18 October 2011 05:50:51(UTC)
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Hi Shintaro,

I think you're right, I've looked at another couple of similiar vans and they appear to have the lighter coloured roof.

Ian.

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#66 Posted : 18 October 2011 06:00:31(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's some more photo's of the 2 banana vans.

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#67 Posted : 18 October 2011 17:34:25(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's the first video showing Insider Set 26830 with the BR52 and the snow plough.

Ian.



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#68 Posted : 18 October 2011 17:42:43(UTC)
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Very nice, Ian.Smile

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Offline Ian555  
#69 Posted : 18 October 2011 17:58:51(UTC)
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Hi Stephen,

Thanks. ThumpUp

With the box date at 06-65, then those vans will be some of the first made.

Ian.

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#70 Posted : 19 October 2011 05:55:16(UTC)
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Hi all,

Just working on a sketch to determine access height to the hidden station for the new layout framework.

Get back to you shortly.......

Ian.



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#71 Posted : 19 October 2011 07:33:28(UTC)
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Hi all,

Well, in between taking the boy's out for a walk and then having my breakfast, here's the quick sketch.

Since I was very pleased with how the framework has lasted at the cabin layout I intend again to use 70mm by 45mm dressed wood for the new framework.

I know we discussed this 2 years ago, and with hindsight that has been the only failing with the cabin layout.....ACCESS.Smile

So, since this will be the last layout I'll be building I'd better try and get it right.

I intend to incorperate the hidden station much more into the layout, to the point where I have turntable(s) and buildings and scenery and even a backdrop to the inside face, my plan then, is to have the "hidden station" as a major part of the layout.


So access becomes even more important (and natural light) so the sketch shows my initial idea's.

I've found when running the trains that the closer they get to "eye level" the better it all looks, so this brings us back to the height that your base layout should be at, the cabin layout is at 920mm but I now feel that this is to low and as a starting point my sketch is set at 1000mm, although I reckon that could be another 50 to 100mm higher.

Looking forward to some comments on my idea's.....please miss out the one's..."I told you so." Smile

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Offline finwen  
#72 Posted : 19 October 2011 08:29:16(UTC)
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It's interesting to see your plans and it will be a large helix :)
Your ideas will help my future layout to so i am great full that you post all your ideas and progress here.

Base level and access will be some important things to get right from the start.
Hopefully we can get the house we are highest bidder of and then i will have a train room of 3.1*3.9m or 4.3*5.9m
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#73 Posted : 19 October 2011 09:27:36(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

If you have a look at the beginning of Baden-Württemberg Part I, you'll see the framework going together for the cabin layout.

Because of my proposed change of use ( not just for the storage of trains) of my new "hidden station"..I'll need to find another name for it, and this is where the increase in access and natural light comes in.

Like yourself, I've got plenty of time to get it sorted...hopefully.Smile

Ian.

Offline finwen  
#74 Posted : 19 October 2011 11:48:53(UTC)
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I have looked at Baden-Württemberg Part I before but i will look into it more at time for construction.

Progress today: The seller accepted our bid and plan is to sign the contract for the house tomorrow. We will move in april and the first time i will have some other things to fix first i guess :) But i hope to build a smaller test layout during the summer.

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Offline Ian555  
#75 Posted : 19 October 2011 11:58:06(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

Congratulations on your house purchase, I'm sure there will be plenty of jobs to do before you start the layout. Smile

Ian.

Offline Loadmaster  
#76 Posted : 19 October 2011 15:17:22(UTC)
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Ian,

Now tell us, who will live in the cabin, LOL.............

I have enjoyed your videos you post on You Tube and I receive a notification from them everytime you post a new one.
Please tell me more about those two car rail car sets, one is blue/cream and the other red/cream...

Sorry, I forgot to ask, the FurthBridge is only single track and diesel operation?

Robert
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Offline ricky  
#77 Posted : 19 October 2011 16:23:41(UTC)
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Very nice Ian!! ThumpUp ThumpUp

Speaking of height, I remember having seen a "public" layout that was even higher, around 130cm (52 inches) high, with steps around to allow younger/shorter people to have a better view. I agree with you, the closer to the eye level, the better it is, especially for photos and videos.

Cheers,
Ricky Smile
Offline Ian555  
#78 Posted : 19 October 2011 16:51:16(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

Glad you enjoy the video's. ThumpUp

The 2 railcars, 1 is Märklin and the other (red and cream) is a Liliput model.

With regards to the Forth Rail Bridge, I believe it's still double tracks and trains pass on the Bridge, when it's a single train then they use the 2 middle rails of the double tracks. Unsure

Ian.


Offline Ian555  
#79 Posted : 19 October 2011 16:59:01(UTC)
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Hi Ricky,

Thanks. ThumpUp

Yes, I've found the closer you get to the track height when taking photo's/video's the better it looks.

Ian.

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#80 Posted : 19 October 2011 17:57:36(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

Glad you enjoy the video's. ThumpUp

The 2 railcars, 1 is Märklin and the other (red and cream) is a Liliput model.

With regards to the Forth Rail Bridge, I believe it's still double tracks and trains pass on the Bridge, when it's a single train then they use the 2 middle rails of the double tracks. Unsure

Ian.




Thanks Ian,

The reason I asked was I watched the video on BBC showing workers painting the bridge.
It only looked single track and that stone arch that the trains pass through looked narrow.

I have a set of Fleischmann double railcars from the 60s that are a dark red and DC.

Rob
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Offline Ian555  
#81 Posted : 20 October 2011 05:52:43(UTC)
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Hi Rob,

Bottom line is I'm not sure, nearly 40 years since I travelled over the bridge in a train.(going to college.)

Hopefully some forum members can help us out.

Ian.

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#82 Posted : 20 October 2011 05:55:59(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here you can see the snow plough blades in operation.

Ian.




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#83 Posted : 20 October 2011 07:03:37(UTC)
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Hi,

As some one who has passed over the Forth Bridge many times, it is definately double track. There is a busy passenger service of five or six trains each way every hour for most of the day. Sadly, these days, there are fewer goods trains now that a lot of the power station coal trains have been diverted along the new line through Alloa.
Further north, the original Tay Bridge, the one that fell down, was single track but the replacement was built with double track.

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#84 Posted : 20 October 2011 07:25:53(UTC)
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Hi again

If you look under slideshows on the Railscot site, www.railbrit.co.uk, you will find some forty pictures of the Forth bridge.

Bob M.

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#85 Posted : 20 October 2011 07:48:22(UTC)
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Hi Bob,

Thanks for your help with the Bridge info.

Ian.

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#86 Posted : 20 October 2011 07:56:45(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

I read with interest your comments about the hidden station being more visible as an integral part of the layout, with scenery and buildings etc. This is very much my preference as well.

In fact, given enough space (and you certainly don't seem to lack it in your new building), I would do away with the helix altogether. I would build the layout around a large central well, perhaps even around the walls on metre wide boards, with a lifting section to get to the middle. I would then have a very large station along one side, which would serve as storage sidings, and the trains would circle the room, stopping at other stations, industries, etc along the way.

This kind of design would be a lot friendlier to your back, as everything would be at the height of the scenic boards. It would also be much more accessible, as nothing would be more than a metre or so away.

What do you think?
Ray

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#87 Posted : 20 October 2011 08:36:20(UTC)
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Hi Ray,

Really enjoyed the interesting points you've made on the layout design.

Like you said, ACCESS is going to be my main objective with the new layout, but, I really like the idea of being able to view and work on the layout from all sides, so I'm going to stick with a layout built in the middle of the room.

I've tried different combinations of shapes for the framework, and we've also got to remember that my Müntertal layout has to be incorparated into the design, so a U shape is my favourite at the moment.

Will keep the maximim width of the layout to 2200mm so as to be able to reach fairly easily into the middle, with remember access being available from both sides.

This brings us to the "hidden station", do you not think that all this space under the layout, which in effect doubles the size of the layout, should be taken further and really developed into the layout as an important part and not just for storage.

When Dusan visited us back in March, we spoke about a layout builder who incorparated his scenery right from the floor level
and had that continue up the sides of the layout....this is something I plan to try.

Thanks Ray for your input, much appreciated, at this early stage it can all be changed.

Ian.



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#88 Posted : 20 October 2011 12:45:06(UTC)
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Hi all,

Myself and B1 did a Banana van count this morning.

We have 59 banana vans.....so we only need another 41. Smile

Ian and B1.

Offline finwen  
#89 Posted : 20 October 2011 15:55:31(UTC)
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How much space will you have between the layout and the walls? If i interpret the drawings correctly i guess about 600mm?

I signed the contract today for the house so now its just some long waiting (mars 15) before i can get a room for the trains :)
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#90 Posted : 20 October 2011 16:05:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

Myself and B1 did a Banana van count this morning.

We have 59 banana vans.....so we only need another 41. Smile

Ian and B1.



Hi Ian and B1,

video please!! Drool Smile Maybe behind an E94? Or maybe 2 E94? How many tank cars were behind the E94 in that 60s catalogue again? (I have my catalogues in storage.)

Cheers,
Ricky Smile

Edit: PS I saw your video with the multiple banana consists, very nice ThumpUp, but what about a very long [and unrealistic] unique consist will all 59 of them?!? BigGrin

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Offline Ian555  
#91 Posted : 20 October 2011 16:28:36(UTC)
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Hi Robert,

Looking at the room the front of the layout will be at the stair opening.

So, there will be 1700mm from the wall to the layout.

Along each side there will be 800mm from the wall to the layout.

At the rear there will be 600mm from the wall to the layout.


Also the access walkway thro' the middle of the layout from the rear wall will also be 600mm wide.

This is much more space than I have at the layout in the cabin.

Because I'll have the storage/workshop room downstairs, there will be no "boxes/layout stuff" stored at all in the Train Room.

Hope this helps.

Ian.

Offline Ian555  
#92 Posted : 20 October 2011 16:37:51(UTC)
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Hi Ricky,

I remember that photo, I think it was either 120 or 180 axles, so 60+ wagons anyway.

I've just shot a video of my BR44-100 pulling 30 wagons and that took a bit of setting up........so maybe. Smile

Ian.

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#93 Posted : 20 October 2011 16:46:35(UTC)
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Hi Ricky,

I remember that photo, I think it was either 120 or 180 axles, so 60+ wagons anyway.

I've just shot a video of my BR44-100 pulling 30 wagons and that took a bit of setting up........so maybe. Smile

Ian.



Hi Ian,

I bet it was! Laugh Maybe on your new layout you'll have enough "storage" tracks to keep all your rolling stock out of the boxes, so no more (or at least minimum) setup!

Cheers,
Ricky Smile
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#94 Posted : 20 October 2011 17:26:10(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Thanks for keeping this under wraps. ThumpUp

If the weather turns like last year then we won't start until next March.

As for another meeting, I enjoy them so much, lets not leave it too long. ThumpUp (weather permitting)

Ian.



Ian

If I may be so bold and suggest the 17th December as that is the next time I am "back home".ThumpUp

Still no joy on the pictures from the October event. Although I now have found the program for editing and I think the desktop has a firewire connection. If so, then this weekend may see some editing taking place (in between bouts of further construction).Scared

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Offline Ian555  
#95 Posted : 20 October 2011 17:39:32(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

That weekend last year we had 600mm of snow and unable to get out the driveway.Smile

But, we can see what the other guy's think for the 17th December, it's ok for us.

It would be good to have a Märklin day before the holiday's..........

You want me to put it up on the events topic.

Ian.



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#96 Posted : 21 October 2011 05:53:28(UTC)
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Hi all,

Here's a video of the snow plough travelling backwards. Confused

Ian.



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Offline Ian555  
#97 Posted : 21 October 2011 10:51:18(UTC)
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Hi all,

Well, we have spoken about this before and this morning I finally did it.Unsure

I made up a list of all the Loco's I've got, and also put down a sensible price I would expect to get for each one should they ever have to be sold on.....by the family. Sad

Suppose I'd better see where the Insurance company stands with this on the policy.

Does anyone have seperate insurance on there Märklin collection and with what company.

Thanks.

Ian.

Offline Darren W  
#98 Posted : 21 October 2011 15:27:31(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
I spoke to my insurance agent last time I renewed my house insurance. I don't have anywhere near as big of a collection as you so my standard house insurance will suffice. If I did want extra I could add a rider to my house insurance and for a small annual fee have an extra amount to cover my train collection.

Cheers
Darren
Offline Ian555  
#99 Posted : 21 October 2011 15:42:27(UTC)
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Hi Darren,

Thanks, I'll need to look into it.

I'm sure this was discussed before on the forum, but I can't find it.

Ian.

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#100 Posted : 21 October 2011 15:46:48(UTC)
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Ian
it all depends on the terms of your current household insurance.
Even for my little collection my insurance want it covered separately. Doesn't cost much (for me anyway).Unsure

Given your collection and for piece of mind I would insure it as a separate item. That way (god forbid) any disaster should happen to BWII or III then you know it is covered.ThumpUp

Mike

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