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Offline hennabm  
#1 Posted : 12 September 2011 08:02:49(UTC)
hennabm

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Well folks
for many years I have been wanting to get my collection a place to run. I have had carpet bahns as a lad and then for many years the collection has been stored in boxes. Although very nice I don't get the pleasure of watching them run.Crying
Also I am now of an age where I have less time on earth than I have already had. Scared Scared. So time is pressing and I must get moving. Inspired by Ian555 and his superb layout, I have taken the plunge.

So, today I have ordered the wood for the layout and this afternoon will go and collect it from the timber yard. BigGrin BigGrin

It will basically a module system as that is the only way I can store it when not in use. It will be 6' x 4'4" and each module will also have a 2' extension making a running space of 16' x 4' 4". Why this strange width. Well, having acquired some 3900 curves that are 4' diameter a 4' board would leave no room for catenary etc and the track too close to the edge.

My layout idea at the moment will be at least a double loop with a goods yard and at least one bridge just to vary the height and the perspective. This may well change as the boards are finished and the layout planning starts in earnest.

I will add photos as I go, the first will be the delivery of the wood etcThumpUp.

What am I going to call it - well I do like the idea of Neustadt (an der Weinstrasse) because that was the town I first visited as a lad. Also my other passion is BMW, so I think a bit of Bayern would be nice.
So Bayern Neustadt it will be.Smile

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Offline Ian555  
#2 Posted : 12 September 2011 08:12:44(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Looking forward to Bayern Neustadt on the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.


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Offline hennabm  
#3 Posted : 12 September 2011 08:24:52(UTC)
hennabm

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Cheers Ian

I will post progress as I go and I'm sure I will be asking many questions to the learned group we have on the forum.BigGrin

Mike
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Online RayF  
#4 Posted : 12 September 2011 09:59:34(UTC)
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Looking forward to seeing your layout develop, Mike!
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 12 September 2011 10:12:26(UTC)
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Good on you Mike, looking forward to seeing your layout. ThumpUp
Offline petestra  
#6 Posted : 12 September 2011 10:23:39(UTC)
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Very exciting, Mike. Nice to see a new project too. Cheers,PeterSmile
Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 12 September 2011 13:44:38(UTC)
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Look forward to see your layout.
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Offline hennabm  
#8 Posted : 12 September 2011 15:40:56(UTC)
hennabm

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Stage 1
Acquire a "kit" of baseboards. ThumpUp
Stage 2
Next job assemble baseboards Scared

The kit, as I fetched it today. UserPostedImage

This is now stored at the back of my garage waiting for work to be done. First though, I have to install the insulation board to the gable end in the loftThumbDown
The other gable end was done last year but I never got round to the other as I needed more material and it wasn't worth hiring a van just for that.
So once that is out of the way, work will begin on the baseboards and more updates will follow.
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Offline Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS  
#9 Posted : 12 September 2011 16:24:01(UTC)
Oliver SBB-CFF-FFS

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Good luck with the building Mike. I will follow this thread with interest.
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Offline Chris6382chris  
#10 Posted : 12 September 2011 16:26:23(UTC)
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Good luck, your layout is a blank slate, enjoy this time as you begin.

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Offline Loadmaster  
#11 Posted : 12 September 2011 16:41:06(UTC)
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Good luck Mike,

We are all waiting to see your progress, maybe Ian can assist ?????

Robert
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Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 12 September 2011 16:44:58(UTC)
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Good luck to build the layout!
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Offline Ian555  
#13 Posted : 12 September 2011 18:33:32(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Plenty to talk about on the 1st October then. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline hennabm  
#14 Posted : 12 September 2011 19:11:06(UTC)
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To Oliver, Chris, Robert and Steven.
Thank youThumpUp

Ian - yes there will be plenty to discuss as well as generous note taking and pictures to remind me on how to do things when I get back to mine.Wink

I will keep everyone posted and no doubt be asking lots of technical questions (as well as some dumb ones, no doubt Blushing ) as the real enjoyment of the layout building starts.

Until then it will be plenty of screws and wood glue. The first job will be the main boards of 6 x 4'4". Then will follow the extensions. Finally I will add the legs.
Well, that is the plan at the momentUnsure
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Offline pab  
#15 Posted : 14 September 2011 14:11:53(UTC)
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Lots of succes with your lay-out plans.

Offline ricky  
#16 Posted : 14 September 2011 16:20:47(UTC)
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Congratulations on your new project Mike!!

I see sweat in your next future! Wink But you will be rewarded soon! BigGrin

Cheers,
Ricky Smile
Offline hennabm  
#17 Posted : 15 October 2011 16:28:21(UTC)
hennabm

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Progress - not a lot but some BigGrin

The loft is insulated so leaving me time to get some work done on the boards.

With the main board screwed down I then found the additional piece had been cut too wideCursing
I will now have to wait for a circular saw from a friend before I can continue.Laugh

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One good thing - a present from Germany arrived today - that makes two of these now. So double the drinking efforts will be required in Bayern Neustadt when the train finally arrives.LOL

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Offline Ian555  
#18 Posted : 15 October 2011 17:10:41(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Great to see you've made a start. ThumpUp

Ian.

Online RayF  
#19 Posted : 15 October 2011 17:35:26(UTC)
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Great work there, Mike!

Can't have too many beer wagons! BigGrin
Ray

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Offline hennabm  
#20 Posted : 15 October 2011 17:46:56(UTC)
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Ian
thanks - can't wait for the news on BWIII LOL

Ray - 4667s are hard to find. I keep asking ebay.de but they only come up occasionally.

Mike
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Offline GlennM  
#21 Posted : 21 November 2011 18:25:18(UTC)
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All the best Mike with the new layout, looking forward to watching your progress on the forum.

Best Regards

Glenn
Offline hennabm  
#22 Posted : 21 November 2011 18:39:00(UTC)
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Glenn

Thanks ThumpUp.

Progress is slow but sure. I'm sure like many others here, the time to go and get something done is very short in family life. There are always other things needing doing, like this weekend helping the MIL put back her house after a complete rewire and then clear the garden plants ready for winter etc etc RollEyes

I have only one main extension piece to build now and then I need legs RollEyes

In the meantime I have downloaded Scarm and Xtrak and playing with those on track plans.
I prefer Scarm as the pieces are all there except the 3900 curve. For that I found a similar radius in C track and then use the converter tracks to join the M and make the join. ThumpUp

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Offline river6109  
#23 Posted : 22 November 2011 00:54:28(UTC)
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Mike,

Just noticed your new layout in "process".

You and Ian should look up you anchestry, there seems to be a similarity in your genes, m-track and German towns or cities.
I've noticed you've mentioned BMW.

Roco bought out a set of 6 BMW cariages as a 3 x 2 limited edition set which I bought but were later stolen.

John
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Offline hennabm  
#24 Posted : 22 November 2011 09:42:05(UTC)
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John

a great looking set - I'll need to search ebay for one for my collection.BigGrin

I'm sorry to hear that yours was stolen. Crying Can I ask how or is it too painful to discuss.

Perhaps Ian and I are long lost family, separated at birth LOL

Mike
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Offline hennabm  
#25 Posted : 24 December 2011 11:18:52(UTC)
hennabm

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Hi all
wishing everyone on the site a very happy Christmas and new year.

I have now completed the basic boards and now move to the process of planning and laying. Ian555 helped greatly last week when at the BW meeting we planned how to join 3900 and 5200 circles.BigGrin

I don't think Santa will bring me anything M but a nice surprise yesterday from Germany; the 15 x 7009 I bought back in October and thought lost turned up again at the seller's address. Apparently the UK post office returned them because I hadn't collected them. For sure I hadn't - as they never notifed me of their (alleged) deliveryCursing Cursing

Anyway - all's well and after Christmas they will be making their way back to me.

Mike

PS the plan is to have Bayern Neustadt operational for 2013 and an open day in summer to mark its arrival.OhMyGod
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Offline aos  
#26 Posted : 24 December 2011 11:56:27(UTC)
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Hi Mike, A very merry Christmas to you and all other members. I checked for you and yes, Wintrack does support the M track (1953-1957) 38xx and 39xx components. So, you can download a demo version and play about with it. Just remember that it does not allow you to save or print. Screen save to Paint will give you a printable copy. Alan
Offline river6109  
#27 Posted : 24 December 2011 13:15:16(UTC)
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Mike.

I more or less left the door unlocked, I thought nobody would steal them because of their uniqueness but I was wrong.

John
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Offline hennabm  
#28 Posted : 24 December 2011 15:11:07(UTC)
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Alan

do you have a link for the free version? Also the 5200 approach ramps Confused

John
aha - I wondered what happened - can't trust anyone these days can you - except fellow M forum membersBigGrin
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Offline aos  
#29 Posted : 24 December 2011 18:51:16(UTC)
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Hi Mike, here is the link: http://www.wintrack.de/usa.html

Scan down the screen until almost at the bottom. Look for the following:

WinTrack V10.0 3D – Demo version

You can download a free DEMO version (you can't save or print with it)

Demo version (7,87 MB)


Click on the link for Demo version (7,87 MB) and follow the instructions.

As discussed at the Scottish Marklin get-together, the 5200 bridge approach parts are 7269 and I have two of them. They are absolutely brand new and never used. I also have the following if you are interested. Again, virtually everything is literally brand new:

14 * 5100 curves,
2 * 5200 curves,
8 * 5205 curves,
4 * 5108 straights,
4 * 5109 straights,
7 * 5210 staights (2 don't have the connector on the bottom)
4 * 5208 straights,
1 * 5112 uncoupler,
3 * 7190 Buffer Stops

I also have 12 Primex 5070 (5100) curves and two Primex 5076 (5106), one of which is a feeder track. These came from a starter set and again, have never been used. They would be suitable for inside concealed areas as they do not have the M track colouring. Make me an offer for any bits that are of interest to you. Smile

Alan
Offline Ian555  
#30 Posted : 24 December 2011 20:15:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
John

a great looking set - I'll need to search ebay for one for my collection.BigGrin

I'm sorry to hear that yours was stolen. Crying Can I ask how or is it too painful to discuss.

Perhaps Ian and I are long lost family, separated at birth LOL

Mike



Smile

Ian.

Offline hennabm  
#31 Posted : 29 December 2011 10:25:31(UTC)
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A quiet Christmeas here in Bayern Neustadt except for the arrival of the buildersBlink

It's like Auf Widersehen Pet round here with Geordies, Irishmen etc all bringing their skills to the building




of a brewery.LOL
Progress to date;
UserPostedImage

The first brewery wagon is on site but no bier for a day or two yet.Sad When production starts the brewery team have 4 cars to fill each time, so overtime will be required to get the first batch out.Drool

UserPostedImage

Meanwhile the base boards are complete (except for legs) and with the help of Scarm, wintrack free version and Ian555, the planning goes on for the layout.

Mike
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Offline Ian555  
#32 Posted : 29 December 2011 11:09:54(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

If the weather we're having at the moment is going to head in your direction, you'd better get that roof on quick. Smile

Enjoyed our blether this morning. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline hennabm  
#33 Posted : 30 December 2011 13:08:53(UTC)
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Hi all
Ian - the builders missed getting the roof on in time but thankfully the winds missed us. Yes it was good to blether. I'm sure as I progress the blethering will become more technical BigGrin

Today has been nice so progress has been made with the boards. Today I got them all out and lined them up as they will be. What a shock I got on the length of them OhMyGod Each straight will take 20 5106 or equivalent to complete BigGrin
So I already need at least 80 of them. Thank goodness over the years I have been collecting them and currently have around 280.That should see me through the build.LOL
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As you can see the 3900 curves fit nicely on the extensions and the track paths have been drawn onto the wood. This will allow me to start to try my hand at scenery - something I have never done before. I may also take a leaf out of Ian's book and build a couple of diaramas first - just to practice.

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The length is 16' in total by 4'4. I have drilled them and each can be secured to the other with M10/12 bolts and washers.
All I need to do now is check out Ikea to see which legs will be best. There are some that are 70cm high for around £4 each or adjustable ones of the same make that can be set anywhere between 70cm and just over a meter. But they are £20 each OhMyGod and I will need 8.Scared

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Offline Ian555  
#34 Posted : 30 December 2011 13:27:52(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

What, you reckon we can get more technical Smile .....not sure about that!!!

With regards to "legs", how level is the garage floor?

Maybe one adjustable leg at each corner, to get the layout sitting square, then spacers under the others.

Ian.

Offline hennabm  
#35 Posted : 04 January 2012 16:11:22(UTC)
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Hi Ian

Having looked at the layout Shintaro is constructing I may just go for the standard legs all round.

Planning continued today with the first of the extensions. As the garage was too cold and my wife was at work, then the front room became my planning room Cool

The outer circle is 3900, the middle circle is 5200 and the inner one 5100. There is still a 5120 circle to go that will feed into the brewery (now complete)BigGrin
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I have drawn the outline of the tracks on the board. The middle circle will start to rise from the 5129 straight in the middle of the curve. The gradient will last a further 8' until it can clear a roadway. This will be spanned by the M bridge with approach ramps. The return to earth will mirror the gradient from this side. The gradients will be permanently attached to the board.

In the next photo I am planning a tunnel and hill on the corner nearest to the camera. This may even result in the obligatory tower/chalet perched on the top Blink. This will be detachable for ease of storage of the boards.
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This will cover the 3900 circle and will have a couple of 5200 bridge approaches on the next circle with M bridge supports.

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Offline Ian555  
#36 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:33:27(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Those 3900 curves look wonderful. ThumpUp

I think the boards sit very well in that room, just move the chairs out the way. Wink Smile

Good progress mate.

Ian.

Offline steventrain  
#37 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:44:12(UTC)
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Look very good.ThumpUp
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Offline GlennM  
#38 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:45:16(UTC)
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Mike,

It is really starting to take shape. Keep up the good work, and may I also wish you and the family all the very Best for the NEw Year.

BR

Glenn
Offline hennabm  
#39 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:47:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Mike,

Those 3900 curves look wonderful. ThumpUp

I think the boards sit very well in that room, just move the chairs out the way. Wink Smile

Good progress mate.

Ian.



Hi Ian
I don't think the FD would be too pleased if I suggested swapping the chairs to the garage and the boards to the houseLOL

Mike
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Offline hennabm  
#40 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:50:00(UTC)
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Hi Steven and Glenn

Thank you and best wishes for the new year. ThumpUp

Mike
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Offline Ian555  
#41 Posted : 04 January 2012 17:50:54(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Of course you're right.Sad

Will you have a seperate transformer for each circle?

Ian.

Offline mvd71  
#42 Posted : 04 January 2012 19:06:19(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Nice to see another m track layout in construction, and the use of the 3900 series curves is really good.

Can I suggest that you consider using the marklin sound deadening strips # 7171. There are plenty of these available on ebay.de, and they will reduce the running noise from the trains considerably.

Cheers....

Mike.
Offline Shintaro  
#43 Posted : 04 January 2012 20:55:42(UTC)
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Hi Mike.

I bet your glad the base construction is over and the laying has begun!!
Excellent work on everything so far.
On a side note, I was watching you begin to construct your bases before I had a chance to think of mine.
I should really thank the whole forum for getting me off my ar** and do somethingLaugh.

Cheers.

P.s.
Those Ikea legs for me were $5 each (for reference they are called VIKA Curry)
Offline hennabm  
#44 Posted : 04 January 2012 22:43:49(UTC)
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Hi Ian

Yes I will have a separate controller for each circle.

Mike
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Offline hennabm  
#45 Posted : 04 January 2012 22:48:50(UTC)
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Hi Mike

The 3900 curves are really great for the M track and broaden the circles nicely and bring them into line with some of the K and C circles available.

I had thought about the sound deadening rubbers and do have a few lying around. This small stock will be used sparingly around the layout. However where I will be operating this I won't be considering any noise reduction Blink The plan is to use the layout in my garage or at exhibitions.

Thanks for the advice anyway.

Mike
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Offline hennabm  
#46 Posted : 04 January 2012 22:53:29(UTC)
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Hi Shintaro
Yes it is always nice to get the foundations built and the actual laying started. BigGrin

I take heart from your own layout in that you too appear to have limited space and are using a similar construction method.
The shot of your legsBlushing has persuaded me to get the fixed leg rather than the adustable.
For me the legs are about £4 each from Ikea and come in different colours Huh

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Offline Loadmaster  
#47 Posted : 05 January 2012 00:19:15(UTC)
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I have a question for the form here.
I've seen a layout or two on the form that used cork as a base for the tracks or even cover the whole table top.
Has that reduced the train operation noise?
Now the ETE group uses roadbed under the "K" track, but I have been collecting "C" track for home.

Thanks,

Rob
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Offline DV  
#48 Posted : 05 January 2012 02:13:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Go to Quoted Post
I have a question for the form here.
I've seen a layout or two on the form that used cork as a base for the tracks or even cover the whole table top.
Has that reduced the train operation noise?
Now the ETE group uses roadbed under the "K" track, but I have been collecting "C" track for home.

Thanks,

Rob



Rob,

I have found through experience in both M & C that as soon as you screw track down - and the operative words are screw and down, you will have noise. Granted if you put cork down and then screw, the noise is less, but marginally. I think (if my memory serves me) when I had the Märklin foam strips, it basically did the same as the cork (I'm sure BDNZ will correct meBigGrin)

BUT

If you glue the track down, to cork under lay, then it works wonderfully well.

I tried this on a small layout I'm building. One oval I screwed down, the other I didn't. Screwed - noisy, glued - quiet.

We have in Australia a product called Liquid Nails, and that's what I used. You don't have to smear the underside of the track with the glue, just a few dabs here and there, will do the trick.

On the other hand we have some members that use the 'blue' polystyrene boards as a base. Can't do much screwing there (BigGrin) so therefore I'm sure they glue the track down. That also deadens the sound quite well.

That's about itSmile
Dusan V
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Offline mvd71  
#49 Posted : 05 January 2012 07:03:56(UTC)
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I always use a soft foam underlay, either the Merkur or some other equivilant and glue the track and road bed. Any time you screw it down it will produce increased levels of noise. The marklin strips I have recommended are screwed into the track, but they are still completely isolated from the track.
Anyway, Mike is obviously aware of them and will do what ever he feels suits his bestCool

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#50 Posted : 05 January 2012 09:21:07(UTC)
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Hi guys

I can understand that when running a layout in the main family building, noise is a big issue. I remember as a lad, even with a carpetbahn and the wooden floor in my bedroom, for those downstairs the running noise was an issue - and that was only two consists running at mostOhMyGod

I do have the M scews and will be scewing the track at key points - th rest will be laid free. I am not keen on gluing as it may prove difficult to then alter the track. Unsure

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#51 Posted : 05 January 2012 09:30:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi guys

I can understand that when running a layout in the main family building, noise is a big issue. I remember as a lad, even with a carpetbahn and the wooden floor in my bedroom, for those downstairs the running noise was an issue - and that was only two consists running at mostOhMyGod

I do have the M scews and will be scewing the track at key points - th rest will be laid free. I am not keen on gluing as it may prove difficult to then alter the track. Unsure

Mike


Hi Mike,
I am not sure that M track would behave the same, but I use C track and don't use any screws, nails or glue anywhere.
The layout track remains quite rigid, and I run my trains for an hour or so, weekly.
This picture shows how I make it pretty much noiseless.
On top of the plywood in order, it is coreflute plastic (cheap or free at hardware stores, as it is used as a packing material), then Noch paper, then groundcover mat, then track.
http://www.qldrail.net/altkloster/softlysoftly-800.jpg

regards
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#52 Posted : 05 January 2012 10:01:03(UTC)
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Hi Kimball
Thanks for the advice. I never knew folks went to such lengths to reduce running noise.

You have also answered a question I had - do you lay the grass mat under the track or just to the edge of it.Wink

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#53 Posted : 05 January 2012 12:19:15(UTC)
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Hi all
after yesterday's planning session I need to get a couple of tunnel portals and incline kit. So work has stopped for the time being.

In the meantime the postman brought a little something from Germany BigGrin - in fact TWO little somethings BigGrin BigGrin. The first one was supposed to have been delivered in October but because they didn't inform me of their attempted delivery, it was returned to sender.Cursing This was 15 7009 masts.

The second was a little treat for me combining both of my interests - BMW and M.
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Cool Cool Cool

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Offline Ian555  
#54 Posted : 05 January 2012 12:57:20(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Great looking wagons. ThumpUp

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#55 Posted : 05 January 2012 13:07:30(UTC)
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Hi Ian

Thanks ThumpUp
It wasn't until I took it out the box that I now realise the two are joined with a close coupler.Unsure At least they'll manage the 3900s if nothing else.

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Offline Ian555  
#56 Posted : 05 January 2012 16:55:37(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Should be ok on the straights. Wink

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#57 Posted : 05 January 2012 17:03:50(UTC)
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Mike,

Or they could be used as inter freight for your shunting yard...........Blink Blink Blink

BR

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PS If it is any consolation I also have the same vans
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#58 Posted : 05 January 2012 17:05:44(UTC)
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Very nice, Mike.
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#59 Posted : 05 January 2012 17:22:27(UTC)
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Hi Ian

yep - can't wait to try them on the 5100sLOL

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Offline hennabm  
#60 Posted : 05 January 2012 17:24:27(UTC)
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Hi Glenn

Do you have the 3 sets that make up the full consist?
There was a complete set on ebay.de recently that went for around 160Euros.OhMyGod

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#61 Posted : 05 January 2012 17:26:00(UTC)
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Offline Zo0ok  
#62 Posted : 05 January 2012 20:12:09(UTC)
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Wow - I like the brewery! I think I have to have a distillery on my layout!
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#63 Posted : 05 January 2012 22:52:49(UTC)
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Hi ZoOok

Yes the completed brewery will look nice with a set of 4 bier cars waiting for their load.

I would advise against a whisky distillery as they only work properly when built in ScotlandLOL

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#64 Posted : 10 January 2012 20:28:19(UTC)
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Hi all

Using the free version of wintrack and taking a screen save, I have come up with this idea. Unsure

UserPostedImage

The thick vertical lines indicate the baseboard divisions.

On the top left I will have a tunnel only over the 3900 curves.Wink
The rise and fall for the 5200 circle will start and end just before/after the 5140. There will be the bridge and approaches taking this circuit over the roadway.
I will be using woodland scene foam inclinesBigGrin The inner and outer circles will then have the crossings to gain access for the occupants to the centre.

The siding on the left at the end of the 5120 curves will be the brewery.ThumpUp

Just my first idea.Unsure

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Offline Ian555  
#65 Posted : 10 January 2012 21:17:09(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

I can see all those TEE coaches out for a run. ThumpUp

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#66 Posted : 10 January 2012 21:38:31(UTC)
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Very nice Mike ! ThumpUp

You have sparked my interest in 3900 once again ^^ Scared

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#67 Posted : 10 January 2012 21:41:22(UTC)
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Hi Mike, looks super! The only thing I would add is a reverse loop track, possibly
from the area just to the left of the inner road level crossings (5117L or 5202L) to meet up
at the lone 5106 straight track (replaced by 5117L or 5202L) lower left of layout inner circle. That would give
you the opportunity to change directions of trains. Just a thought!PeterMellow
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#68 Posted : 10 January 2012 22:03:45(UTC)
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Looks like a nice classic plan to me. Reminds me of my childhood layouts... ThumpUp
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#69 Posted : 10 January 2012 22:45:10(UTC)
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Hi all

thanks for the comments.BigGrin

Peter - a great idea ThumpUp - if I understand correctly then it would join onto a 5120 circle, limiting the use of the reverse loop to "smaller" trains. But I will work on the idea and see what I can come up with.BigGrin

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#70 Posted : 10 January 2012 23:05:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi all

thanks for the comments.BigGrin

Peter - a great idea ThumpUp - if I understand correctly then it would join onto a 5120 circle, limiting the use of the reverse loop to "smaller" trains. But I will work on the idea and see what I can come up with.BigGrin

Mike



Hi Mike, Thanks. I had not noticed that those curves were the 5120s. I'll stand by to see what you
come up with. Cheers,PeterSmile
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#71 Posted : 10 January 2012 23:13:36(UTC)
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When I was young, I ran 4 circles as the most... 5120, 5100, 5100 with straight 5106 as spacer and 5200 with 5106 as spacer (if I remember correctly)... Outer circle was at the edge of the 120x240cm fibre board I had as the available space...

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#72 Posted : 11 January 2012 03:53:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
When I was young, I ran 4 circles as the most... 5120, 5100, 5100 with straight 5106 as spacer and 5200 with 5106 as spacer (if I remember correctly)... Outer circle was at the edge of the 120x240cm fibre board I had as the available space...


slightly off topic

Juhan,

this brings me back to my intention to build a layout and started off with, well in those days theynstill had the imperila measuremtns of 8' x 4' (today's 2400x1200mm), I didn't know than I'll finish up with 20 boards to creatre my layout dream.
Another interesting discovery:
while I was building my layout with boards having the imperial measurements, in due course Australia changed to the metric system, because the looked alike in size and thickness I never bothered to measure them.
It was only after we've displayed the layout for the first time (plus the first time all the board had been fitted togther) did I notice the difference, one side of the O shaped layout boards was in metric and the other was in imperial and this resulted in a slightly longer lenght with the metric boards.

Another error I've made, using chip boards and not ply wood to save on money.
To obtain a certain strenght in the boards I've chosen to use 9mm thickness and this in turn prevented me from installing under board motors for the turnouts to have an effective respond to turn the tongue to its maximum allowance created by the extra lenght, the arm mechanism showed some play and only by installing them 100 % correctly this free movement was minimized but I couldn't get rid off it completely.
since I've made videos of my layout, some viewers made comments, having motors showing on the top, it doesn't look prototypical if they only knew the problem I had to deal with and in hind sight can not be reversed unless using a different motor assembly all together.

Hi Mike,

If you are open for suggestions:
there is also a possibility to have a double reversing loop because with one loop although you can cahnge the dricetions of your trains the moment this is taking place you are not able to reverse them inot the original direction.

My suggestions would be, the 2 dead end tracks on the reight hand side to add a curved track, may be even half curved track at the beginning, hence you would not loose any lenght.
on both sides of the bottom inner terack you install a double switch and the tracks come off the double swithces will be connected with the bottom track of your 3 track siding. the other dead end track on the right hand side can than be connected to the bottom third track by adding an additional tunrout.
this than would give you all the pososbilities to maneuver your trains around from left to right and visa-versa.




John

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#73 Posted : 11 January 2012 07:25:33(UTC)
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Looks like a perfect top speed runout for Ice3's.LOL

Excellent plan.

I have to get crackin' on my own track list, hah!

It will be excellent to see it all layed out on the board!
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#74 Posted : 11 January 2012 20:28:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
My suggestions would be, the 2 dead end tracks on the reight hand side to add a curved track, may be even half curved track at the beginning, hence you would not loose any lenght.
on both sides of the bottom inner terack you install a double switch and the tracks come off the double swithces will be connected with the bottom track of your 3 track siding. the other dead end track on the right hand side can than be connected to the bottom third track by adding an additional tunrout.
this than would give you all the pososbilities to maneuver your trains around from left to right and visa-versa.
John


Like this you mean, sorta ?

Mike, keep it comin' ^^ ThumpUp

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#75 Posted : 11 January 2012 22:03:11(UTC)
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Very nice, I like it, I like it! PeterSmile ThumpUp
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#76 Posted : 12 January 2012 17:41:44(UTC)
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Hi Yum
what a genius you are - I like it. Love Love Love

That will mean the little local train can shuttle between the stations as well as being able to reverse around using the 5120 circle.

Also the mainline trains can be turned around at the other end using the 5100 circle.

I have tried magnifying the picture but it gets too blurred to see the track numbers you have used. Can you send me it via PM or put it up as a Jpeg.

Peter, Shintaro thanks for the support ThumpUp

Mike

PS the Faller tunnel entrances arrived today Smile - just waiting to see if the WS inclines will show soonUnsure
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Offline Ian555  
#77 Posted : 12 January 2012 17:54:55(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Track plan looks great. ThumpUp

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#78 Posted : 12 January 2012 18:16:28(UTC)
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Hi Ian

It's constantly evolving at the moment.Cool

I've just that I will add a further siding (within reach of the 7051) to the right of it and then it can transfer stuff from one siding to the other, going over the (now) reverse loop line BigGrin

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#79 Posted : 12 January 2012 18:45:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi Yum
what a genius you are - I like it. Love Love Love
That will mean the little local train can shuttle between the stations as well as being able to reverse around using the 5120 circle.
Also the mainline trains can be turned around at the other end using the 5100 circle.
I have tried magnifying the picture but it gets too blurred to see the track numbers you have used. Can you send me it via PM or put it up as a Jpeg.
Peter, Shintaro thanks for the support ThumpUp
Mike
PS the Faller tunnel entrances arrived today Smile - just waiting to see if the WS inclines will show soonUnsure


Hey Mike,

Glad you like the concept !

However, the image I posted was just a graphic of what I understood John to have written.
As I'm first and foremost a "visual" guy, had to translate the written into graphic (yes, Photoshop is my friend !) to make sure I understood what he wrote.
So, if the graphic corresponds to what John wrote then he is the genius, and I'm just the draftsman (or draughtsman ... for UK ;)
But, if the graphic has nothing to do with what he wrote, and you like it, then OK .. I'm a genius and he's just babbling ! LOL
Keyword here is : "teamwork" !

Also, as this forum won't allow to download posted images (thanks to hermetic Flash software), to make this graphic I had to make a "printscreen" of your pic which is probably of lower resolution than your original pic ... I couldn't see the track numbers either ^^ Crying
The connecting radii for this scheme are only approximate involving the half-tracks that John wrote about ... but you will have to run this thru WinTrack (or whatever software you used) to get the precise track references. The geometry will no doubt need further tweaking ...

Let's see what comes out of all this ... ^^ ThumpUp

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Offline hennabm  
#80 Posted : 12 January 2012 22:41:38(UTC)
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Hi Yum

I was able to save your picture to my hard drive; the only restrictions were it had to be a bitmap or PNG. Not being very knowledgeable about these things I take it you can't because of the flash thingy. Unsure

I agree it is all about teamwork - so thanks to John too for his idea and for Yum putting a picture to it BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

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#81 Posted : 13 January 2012 03:51:20(UTC)
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Mike great looking track plan. It looks like you will have lots of action and the ability to run all sorts of trains. Great work.

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#82 Posted : 14 January 2012 19:48:08(UTC)
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Hi all
Well, despite the unfortunate fire for WS, the postman delivered my inclines this morning BigGrin
So once the eye test was out of the way Crying it was on with the work Laugh

First off was to lay out the items and work out clearances etc. Then the back supports were cut to size
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As you can see there is not much clearance between the hill side and the 5200 circle, so this will become a rock face. The rest of the hill will be grassed with a viewing area at the top complete with a bench.

The 2x1 will be added as supports. These will receive 6mm set screws with sunk nuts and protruding screw. This screw will then locate into a hole in the baseboard, thus locating it and making it removable as required for storage.

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Once the incline was stuck down then I covered the track surface with thin plain card and this will be flocked in brownish colour. I will have to add littel extensions to the inclines to carry the catenary masts but that's not problem as I have plenty of off cuts from lining my loftWink

I nearly had a disaster as I first tried the spray evostick only to find it started melting my foam OhMyGod OhMyGod Thankfully it didn't do too much damage as I only tried it on a small bit and was able to rescue most of it.Blushing Lesson learnt Cursing

Anyway tomorrow I'm off for some chicken wire, 6mm ply and paper paste to continue my hill.Cool

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Offline Ian555  
#83 Posted : 14 January 2012 19:58:58(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Are all 3 tracks covered by the hillside.

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#84 Posted : 14 January 2012 23:06:17(UTC)
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Hi Ian

no, the idea is to cover the 3900 cicle only Blink as the middle (5200) circle starts to climb for the girder bridge in 8'distance down the line. I am using the 2% incline.

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#85 Posted : 15 January 2012 07:32:01(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Ok, so you'll be building a retaining wall between the 5200 and 3900 curves.

Ian.

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#86 Posted : 15 January 2012 08:18:26(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Ahh, now I can see your method..................
So far its the same concept I was going to use when I start "the proper scenery" LOL
As the current tunnel was just to please my son. LOL

Looking forward to seeing its completion, as I am lacking the foresight to imagine it thus far.

Cheers,
Marc.
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#87 Posted : 15 January 2012 12:41:43(UTC)
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Very good design, and wish you successBigGrin
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#88 Posted : 15 January 2012 16:25:25(UTC)
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Hi beiqm

Welcome to the forum ThumpUp

Thanks for your comments.BigGrin

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Offline hennabm  
#89 Posted : 15 January 2012 16:27:02(UTC)
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Hi Marc

Thanks ThumpUp

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#90 Posted : 15 January 2012 16:28:41(UTC)
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Hi Ian

it will be either a retaining wall or just rock face, depending on what i can find in the shopss/on line that is easiest for a beginnerBigGrin

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Offline Ian555  
#91 Posted : 15 January 2012 17:30:48(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

Cover up those beautiful (expensive Smile ) 3900 curves. Sad

Make the 5200/5100 curves go thro' the hillside.Wink

Ian.

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#92 Posted : 17 January 2012 17:36:33(UTC)
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Mike,

I love the latest layout design, it is going to great when finished. Keep the photos coming so we can watch it grow and develop.

BR

Glenn

PS Sorry but I missed an earlier post of yours concerning the BMW vans, no I do not have the complete set, just the same two as you.
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#93 Posted : 17 January 2012 19:45:50(UTC)
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Hi Glenn

Thanks ThumpUp

My plan is to have it operational for summer 2013OhMyGod I then plan an open day for all of us and anyone from the forum at my humble abode.Wink

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Offline Ian555  
#94 Posted : 18 January 2012 06:49:34(UTC)
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Hi Mike,

That's done it, the pressure is on now....summer 2013.Smile

Travel plans are already in place. ThumpUp

I take it, this will be an analog Loco only meeting. Wink

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#95 Posted : 22 January 2012 18:30:03(UTC)
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Hi all
a little more indoor work this weekend BigGrin

My first go at laying grass mat and cobble street Mellow I did go better than I thought. The chalet was built by the FD over Christmas. Love
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I cut it to the edge of the track rather than laying it totally under. I will try both ways and see which suits me best.

I then set the chickens free LOL and tried my hand at forming hillsOhMyGod I think I have it somewhere near now. The vertical face will be covered in Faller decor card of stone wall. Unsure
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Another grass mat will be used once the paper mache has been applied.
Around the vertical edge of the top viewing point I will use some brick card and rocks. Searching through my store I found a bag of tree bark that has been cut/treated to look like rocks Unsure
Also a whole load of moss etc, some of which you can see I have used in front of the tunnel entrance on the right.

Roll on next weekend as I have Friday off as well - yipppeeee Smile

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Offline Ian555  
#96 Posted : 22 January 2012 19:22:20(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

Good work mate. ThumpUp

Ian.
Offline Ian555  
#97 Posted : 22 January 2012 19:26:28(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

Missed it on the last post.....

"True Grit"....one of the best.

Ian.

Offline hennabm  
#98 Posted : 22 January 2012 19:56:12(UTC)
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Hi Ian

Thanks ThumpUp

The True Grit DVD is not the original and doesn't match in my view. John Wayne WAS Rooster Coburn Cool

Mike
PS good to see the weather allowed progress with the strip founds ThumpUp
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline hennabm  
#99 Posted : 26 January 2012 17:27:05(UTC)
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Hi all

well a wee bit of time off has allowed me to progress a bit more with the scenic work. Firstly I had to work out just where the catenary mast will be as they go up the incline. This was so I could add little rest for them.

Then it was back to laying turfRollEyes I did say I would try cutting around the track as well as laying it on top. Well the other end pices will be laid on top as I'm sure that will be easier.
With this end I have taken to using paper to make the template of the shape and then cutting the turf - it saves a few disasters Blushing
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I haven't done the inside of the 5100s as I don't know what will be going there. I am thinking a strip of turf before the start of the yard for the 7051.
The end where the glue is at will be covered by the tunnel and until that is done I don't know how far to take the turf round the other side of the incline.

The other night I was on ebay looking for a church that my FD would like to see on the layout and instead purchased a shrine LOL A BMW dealership with an E21 and a 6 series in it. Cool It also came with 3 LEDs in that have yet to be tested.

I do have the Faller limited edition BMW dealership but will not build that, so this was a complete blessing. I do have a couple of E30s in 1:87 so they will go well as the E21 was on sale along side the E30 for a little while Love
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I am thinking I will leave this board complete and use it for photography of any new items etc.
Unfortnately I cannot do the same with the rest.Crying

Hey ho - maybe one day when it's my turn to win £41million Crying

Tomorrow I will be constructing the tunnelOhMyGod - more news after that ThumpUp

Mike
1957 - 1985 era
What's digital?
Offline Ian555  
#100 Posted : 26 January 2012 17:42:46(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Mike,

What can I say, M track at it's best. ThumpUp

Ian.

Do you have the correct feeder masts to go with the overhead system.

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