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French_Fabrice		#1 Posted : 01 September 2011 21:12:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,489 Location: Lyon, France		Hi All, Just received today the couple 60101 (100 VA power pack) / 60174 (Booster) I intend to use with my CS2 (60214). When reading the manual, one of the written lines states this power pack may only be used for Marklin 1 gauge ! Here is the useful part of the booklet: Anybody has already used a 60101/60174 couple connected to a HO layout ? Thanks in advance Cheers Fabrice


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H0		#2 Posted : 01 September 2011 22:21:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Hi, Fabrice! They also say that in the German product database: "Der Kabelquerschnitt von der Central Station zum Gleis muss mindestens 0,5 mm² betragen! Empfohlen ausschließlich für Spur 1 und LGB." Must have forgotten to translate this important information (German text says: "Recommended for gauge I and LGB only"). 5 A vs. 4 A (CS1 reloaded) or 3 A (CS2 with 60 VA power supply) make a difference when a short cut occurs. If the wires are too thin, the CS2/the booster may not switch off and the high current could cause damage, e.g. to the wheel set that makes the short. Personally I think that the risk is low if your wires are thick enough (as they write in the manual), but I don't give you any guarantee - neither does Märklin.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS


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French_Fabrice		#3 Posted : 02 September 2011 08:10:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,489 Location: Lyon, France		Hi All, Tom I see... Unhappily I don't read German, so I've skipped the German info from the database. It's a pity that English (and French) version hasn't the same level of info ! So either I rewire all the layout with adequate cable or I get a 60061 for the booster. I'm a bit angry today, against me and Marklin. Cheers Fabrice


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H0		#4 Posted : 02 September 2011 08:34:42(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Fabrice, It's not the dealer's fault, but you should be able to return it to the dealer now that you know it's not appropriate for your gauge. You should have more than a week to think about it, but you may lose the postage. It's not your fault that Märklin did not mention important restrictions in the product description. Maybe future versions of the CS2 software will allow to set the switch-off limit of the boosters to either 3 or 5 A.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS


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supermoee		#5 Posted : 02 September 2011 12:33:21(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, this is the curious thing. In the catalogue the 60101 power supply is listed unde H0, but you cannot use it for H0. Typical Märklin misscomunication. Rgds Stephan

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French_Fabrice		#6 Posted : 02 September 2011 13:16:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,489 Location: Lyon, France		Hi, An other example of unclear information from Märklin: About the 60101, in the English database (in the German as well), and also on the 60101 box, it is stated this power pack can also be used for 60214/60215. The example (section 6 page 20) does tell the opposite for 60214! so where is the truth ? -No 60214 at all ? -Some 60214 starting with #item XXXXX ? -All 60214 ? -Should a software update to revision a.b.c be performed before using 60101 and 60214 together ? Sigh ! Cheers and have a nice week end Fabrice


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b-earl		#7 Posted : 21 September 2011 16:39:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/10/2006(UTC) Posts: 11 Location: Vienna, Austria		Hi! On my 60214 I have since the update to 1.6.4 the option to choose the power supply from a menu. I can see 60052 , 60061 and 60101. Is there anyone with a 60213 that after the update also can see the 60101 in the menu? If not then it should be posible for 60214 ownesr to use the 60101. Regards Claes


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supermoee		#8 Posted : 21 September 2011 16:54:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 31/05/2007(UTC) Posts: 534		Hello, sure you can use the 60101 for the 60213 too, you can select it, but this will not raise the output power of the CS. 40 VA out of the 100VA will be vasted for nothing, just not used. Same thing for the 60214, if it has hardware version < 4.33. rgds Stephan


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Torbjorn		#9 Posted : 01 August 2018 21:35:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 26/01/2010(UTC) Posts: 27 Location: Norway		This thread is old - from 2011. But I chose to revive it rather than starting a new thread on the same topic. I hope this is according to the forum's guidelines. In another recent thread on this forum, I asked the question about track voltage. I use the 60052 trafo with 60 VA. The track voltage is 23 V. I am trying to use my 60214 CS2 to run a locomotive in DCC with a decoder that does not accept voltage > 21 V. I am thinking of replacing the 60052 with the 60061. It has also an output of 60 VA, but as it delivers DC instead of AC like the 60052, the track output should be lower than 23 V, making it possible to operate the locomotive in question. However, I have read online, on this forum included, that it is possible to use the 60101, which has an output of 100 VA. Using this, the current at the track would increase from 3 A to 5 A, giving me more power, and possibly eliminating the need for a booster and a second powersupply. However, there seems to be a problem. Some claim that not all CS2 are capable of sending the full 5 A to the track. As mentioned, I have the 60214, but with hardware version 3.4. Can anyone please confirm that paying extra to get the 60101 is just a waste of money in my case, as my CS2 will never send more power to the tracks than if I use the 60061?

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H0		#10 Posted : 01 August 2018 22:23:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,440 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Torbjorn Can anyone please confirm that paying extra to get the 60101 is just a waste of money in my case, as my CS2 will never send more power to the tracks than if I use the 60061? As written in the post above yours: if the hardware version of the 60214 is less than 4.33 then the main track output is limited to 2.4 A and even with a 60101 you won't get more than 2.4 A from the main track output and not more than 3 A in total.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS


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