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Offline Pimanel  
#1 Posted : 25 May 2011 10:10:12(UTC)
Pimanel


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Hello to all

I am starting to build a marklin digital H0 layout to entertain myself for a couple of years.
I have been following the work that people post here for a while and decided to do the same.
I have a 300cmX285cm space in the garage for me and I will use it for a U-shape layout.
I will not reproduce any era or place, it will be just my imagination of a miniature world.
The layout planned is a little bit confusing but I think is nice and it enables some operations.

I haven´t start to built yet (the plywood didn't arrive yet), but I will post images as soon as I start.

I am finishing the plan for the wiring and the Faller Car System, so if you have any suggestions, go ahead.



Filipe Almeida

Edited by user 25 May 2011 13:07:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Pimanel attached the following image(s):
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Layer 1.jpg
Layer 2.jpg
Layer 3.jpg
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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 25 May 2011 10:25:08(UTC)
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Hi Filipe, looks like a great plan!

I look forward to seeing your progress.
Ray

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Offline Ian555  
#3 Posted : 25 May 2011 10:47:25(UTC)
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Hi Filipe,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.

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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 25 May 2011 11:17:15(UTC)
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Excellent plan, Keep posted soon when start work.
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Offline petestra  
#5 Posted : 25 May 2011 13:07:39(UTC)
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Hi Felipe, I really like your trackplan. Please keep us all posted on your layout progress. Cheers,PeterThumpUp
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Offline Chris6382chris  
#6 Posted : 25 May 2011 13:50:53(UTC)
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Nice plan, I am looking forward to hearing about your progress. Good luck.

Chris
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Offline pn  
#7 Posted : 25 May 2011 18:09:02(UTC)
pn

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Hi Filipe,

Great layout!
I also some some space in the basement I'm allowed to use for my trains :-) I'm almost in the same stage as you are - still at the drawing board but looking forward to start the construction work.

By the way, what SW are you using for the layout planning? I'm using Anyrail.

Regards,
Pedro
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Offline Pimanel  
#8 Posted : 25 May 2011 18:40:40(UTC)
Pimanel


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Hello

Thank you all for the messages.

The program I use is wintrack.
An old version, 5 or 6, I think. I have some troubles with R4 and R5 curves as they don't fit very well, but is a good approach to next test in the real layout. So far the plan is reproducible, but lets see if I have to make some adjustments. I tried to build a small christmas layout a few years ago and I realised that things don't allways go has we plan.

Maybe next month I will start to post pictures. I just received a new camera, so I have also to learn how to use it.


Filipe Almeida
Offline nevw  
#9 Posted : 25 May 2011 22:07:37(UTC)
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Hi Filipe,
Welcome to the Forum and keep us posted on progress.

NN
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Offline Yumgui  
#10 Posted : 25 May 2011 22:27:42(UTC)
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Filipe,

Very nice plans, now I have to understand them ... ;)

I especially like the suggestions for U-shaped layout , hmmm ...
If you could explicit the different levels and how they function, I would be grateful.
And, another question, what is the software used to draw these plans ?

Will be watching your progress ^^. Drool
Welcome to the forum, and keep up the good work !

Yum Tongue
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Offline Pimanel  
#11 Posted : 25 May 2011 23:11:43(UTC)
Pimanel


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Hi


I use wintrack.

So, the layout is divided in three levels.
Level 1 (0cm high, gray color) is the hidden yard for train storage. Then an helix (~3,3% grade) brings up the double track to the Level 2 (15cm high, brown color), that goes to the Main Station and a small city behind it. At the end of the station, it starts climbing again (3,5%) to the Level 2 (27cm high, orange color), where it passes through a village with a small station and a freight yard.
The shadowed tracks are invisible, under tunnels. The rest of the colors are a sketch of the wiring scheme for blocks, signals, contact tracks.
I have a central station and a connection to a PC for Rocrail operations.

Filipe Almeida

Offline Pimanel  
#12 Posted : 26 August 2011 12:09:16(UTC)
Pimanel


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Hello

Well, it took a bit more time than what I was expecting but I finally started building my layout.
I started in the middle of August and now I post here the first pictures.
So, just to remember, it has three levels and an helix to go from level 0 to level 1. It is on C-track controlled by one CS2 (and RocRail in the future).

I decided to go on MDF 10mm thick because of the price. What I will do is to paint the wood with a plastic paint to protect from water (it comes in tile color).

The structure is complete and the level 0 is about 90% complete.
I also added cork (3mm thick) to isolate the sound.
Now I am working on the electrification. I think I will divide the layout in three parts also, so I will buy two Boosters, for the other levels.

See attached pictures.
I will add more pictures this weekend.

Comments and suggestions are welcome.
Pimanel

Edited by user 26 August 2011 12:29:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Pimanel attached the following image(s):
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Level 0 Structure (2).JPG
Level 0 Structure (5)_.JPG
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Offline petestra  
#13 Posted : 26 August 2011 13:26:20(UTC)
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Hi Filipe. I just wanted to compliment you on your carpentry skills. BRAVO! It's going to be a super layout. Cheers,PeterThumpUp
Offline pn  
#14 Posted : 26 August 2011 15:03:54(UTC)
pn

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Hi Filipe,

Great progress! Congratulations.

Pedro
Offline Johnvr  
#15 Posted : 26 August 2011 15:27:26(UTC)
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The beginning of an adventure !!

Regards,BigGrin
John
Offline river6109  
#16 Posted : 26 August 2011 15:32:33(UTC)
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Hi Filipe,

make sure you've got enough room between the different floors !!!!!!!

Looks great

regards.,

John
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Offline Pimanel  
#17 Posted : 18 October 2011 23:40:10(UTC)
Pimanel


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Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Hi

Building a layout is more difficult than what I expected and even more difficult when I do not have the desired time to dedicate to this hobby.
I have been busy with the electrical part of the layout and now I can have several trains running at same time (circuit by blocks) without hiting each other!
I am no expert in electronics so it has been difficult for me to learn all the details but so far I managed to overcome the basics.
I tested the heights and the climbings and all the trains that I have manage to pass on the critical sites.
I added more tracks and the level 1 is also almost finished.

I hope soon I can post more pictures showing the progress of the layout.
For now i will post a few.

Pimanel
Pimanel attached the following image(s):
3DPlan1.jpg
Level 0 Structure (4).JPG
Level 0 Structure (9).JPG
Level 1 Structure (1).JPG
Level 1 Structure (2).JPG
Offline Chris6382chris  
#18 Posted : 19 October 2011 00:21:09(UTC)
Chris6382chris

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Pimanel:

Great start. It is looking really good. Keep the pictures coming as you make progress.

Chris
Offline Nielsenr  
#19 Posted : 19 October 2011 01:32:34(UTC)
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Looking great!! And yes, keep the pictures coming!!

Robert
Offline kimballthurlow  
#20 Posted : 19 October 2011 05:12:25(UTC)
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Hi Filipe,

Yes, it is a tremendous amount of work to get a layout this size set up and operating.
To do it in a short space of time, requires almost daily attention.

However, to do it over time is also satisfying.

In any case, thank you for sharing your experience on this layout.
When finished, the end result will allow you the time to purchase more engines and wagons!

regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin layout digital DB ep III, C Track - 2 rail (USA N&W, Pennsy, GN) (Australia, Queensland) - 3 rail English LNER/BR Hornby Dublo - O gauge, a few Märklin and Hornby.
Offline pn  
#21 Posted : 19 October 2011 08:25:35(UTC)
pn

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Hi Filipe,

It looks really great! Smile Your carpentry skills are impressive.

Regards,
Pedro
Offline sebastian  
#22 Posted : 19 October 2011 10:08:19(UTC)
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Hey Fillipe,
This is going to be awesome! Keep us posted on your progress, with lots of pictures.
Sebastian
DRG, DB and SBB
Era II, III and IV
Sincerely,
Sebastian
Offline petestra  
#23 Posted : 19 October 2011 10:22:26(UTC)
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Looking good, Filipe. Cheers,PeterSmile ThumpUp
Offline Ian555  
#24 Posted : 19 October 2011 10:28:01(UTC)
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Hi Filipe,

Great progress on the layout. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Pimanel  
#25 Posted : 21 October 2011 12:54:04(UTC)
Pimanel


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Hi to all

Thanks for the commentaries.
I am really enjoying building the layout. I only wish to have more time.
I will start to build the next level and then post more pictures.
I will also make a video with a tour of the layout.

Pimanel
Offline RayF  
#26 Posted : 21 October 2011 14:37:03(UTC)
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The layout is looking good already, Filipe! ThumpUp

Looking forward to more!
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline ricky  
#27 Posted : 21 October 2011 16:07:40(UTC)
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Really great! ThumpUp ThumpUp Have fun! Cool

Cheers,
Ricky Smile
Offline Pimanel  
#28 Posted : 29 November 2011 10:18:33(UTC)
Pimanel


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Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Hi to all

Well, I had some problems in my layout.
I think it became too realistic. It now rains also on the "Pimanel World"!!
Problems in the roof isolation and "some" drops of water keep falling on the layout.
Had to rescue some stuff and cover it all up to avoid future problems.
So, can't work on it now.

But I made the first video of a tour of the layout with Takargo, a portuguese diesel loco pulling some portuguese wagons also.


Regards
Pimanel
Offline algarvio  
#29 Posted : 29 November 2011 15:06:33(UTC)
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Fascinating sound of the 1400 series.
Always after the rain comes the sun.
You'll overcome this little problem and build a magnificent layout.
Continues to keep us informed.
Greetings from sunny Algarve
Offline GlennM  
#30 Posted : 29 November 2011 15:54:38(UTC)
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The layout is really taking shape and looking good. I hope you are able to stop the leak soon and you are able to return with more photos soon.

Best Wishes

Glenn
Offline Christoffer  
#31 Posted : 29 November 2011 17:36:02(UTC)
Christoffer

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hi Pimanel

Great start of a layout you have here, keep on building ThumpUp
Offline pab  
#32 Posted : 29 November 2011 20:18:28(UTC)
pab

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Hi Pimanel

Sorry to hear about your waterproblems.

Be sure your connections are dry, otherwise you will have problems in the future.

Promising start of your lay-out. Keep posting.
Offline Yumgui  
#33 Posted : 30 November 2011 07:30:49(UTC)
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Nice progress Pimanel ...

Get that leak fixed asap so you can continue building with peace of mind !

Also, great sound on that lok ThumpUp

Yum Tongue
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Offline Ian555  
#34 Posted : 30 November 2011 09:08:01(UTC)
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Hi Filipe,

Great progress on the layout. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline pelle68  
#35 Posted : 30 November 2011 16:20:13(UTC)
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Oi Pimanel!

Tudo bem?

I really like the sound of old diesel engines. I didn't know about this loco before but I liked her.

Best regards from hot São Paulo
Pelle
Era IV with focus on freight.
Testing analog, 6021 and Mobile Station now.
Offline petestra  
#36 Posted : 30 November 2011 19:15:36(UTC)
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Very nice video, Filipe. That Lok has a very realistic sound. Cheers,PeterThumpUp
Offline Pimanel  
#37 Posted : 08 December 2011 11:02:00(UTC)
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Hi

Thank you all for the replies.
I am in the process of solving the roof problem.

Until then, no updates.

Regards
Pimanel
Offline pn  
#38 Posted : 06 May 2012 18:56:26(UTC)
pn

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Hi Pimanel,

Any updates on the progress of the layout (and on the roof issue)?

I've noticed that you are using cork between the tracks and the MDF base boards. I'm planning to do the almost same using cork and plywood. Did you glue the cork to the base boards? If so, what kind of glue is most adequate to do that?

Thanks / Obrigado
Regards,
pn
Offline Pimanel  
#39 Posted : 14 May 2012 16:38:51(UTC)
Pimanel


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Location: Lisbon, Portugal
Hello again

It has passed almost half a year since I post something.

The roof problem was a little bit more difficult to solve than what was the initial overview. It is not fixed yet but at least is mended.

I do not have much to show you because I only worked under the layout, in the electrical part. I will show you pictures of my spaguetti in a next post.
I prefered to invest on locos and wagons and I also managed to add computer control by Rocrail.
I know that some people dislike computer control but it allows me to add more automated control. I post here a video of trains entering and leaving the main station where you can hear station announcements. Sorry, the announcements are in portuguese. But what the lady says is: "It is now entering/exiting on platform # of the city station the train #". It illustrates also the Rocrail automatic control of the locos.



Hope you enjoy
Pimanel
Offline Pimanel  
#40 Posted : 14 May 2012 16:47:23(UTC)
Pimanel


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Hi

Originally Posted by: pn Go to Quoted Post
I've noticed that you are using cork between the tracks and the MDF base boards. I'm planning to do the almost same using cork and plywood. Did you glue the cork to the base boards? If so, what kind of glue is most adequate to do that?


I use cork to try to eliminate the sound of the ressonance of the C-track and it works fine. I glued it with normal wood glue, adding some drops only in the extremities and in the middle. I do this because I have to drill holes for the the cables under the track. If I glue it all, it is very difficult to drill the holes.

But I am having some troubles, since in some parts the cork is lifting up and "bubbles" are appearing. Maybe you should glue it all. Try in a small piece.


Filipe
Offline pn  
#41 Posted : 14 May 2012 17:46:29(UTC)
pn

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Hi Filipe,

Good to know that the roof issue is more or less under control.

Thanks for the hints ThumpUp I'm also using C track (2 rail Trix version) and the cork seemed to me a good and cheap way of avoiding resonance. I'll also need to drill holes for the cables, so I'll follow your advice and see how it works.

Very nice layout the one you are building. Very good work.

Thanks,
Pedro
Offline Ian555  
#42 Posted : 14 May 2012 17:59:21(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Filipe,

Enjoyed watching your video. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline steventrain  
#43 Posted : 14 May 2012 18:03:14(UTC)
steventrain

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Very good video, Filipe.
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Offline Webmaster  
#44 Posted : 14 May 2012 19:41:26(UTC)
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Very smooth train operation, like it a lot. Smile
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Offline TrainIride  
#45 Posted : 16 May 2012 06:39:48(UTC)
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Hi Filipe.

Wonderful video ! ThumpUp ThumpUp
I could stay train spotting 24/24 in front of your layout !
Mine is full analog, but it gives me digital dreams...

Regards
Joël

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Offline nevw  
#46 Posted : 16 May 2012 07:21:59(UTC)
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Great Filipe, A wonderful job and a great layout.

NN
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Offline petestra  
#47 Posted : 16 May 2012 14:01:33(UTC)
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Very nice, Filipe. I close my eyes and I'm in wonderful Europe. Thanks for the quick trip! Wink
PeterSmile ThumpUp
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