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Pimanel		#1 Posted : 25 May 2011 10:10:12(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hello to all I am starting to build a marklin digital H0 layout to entertain myself for a couple of years. I have been following the work that people post here for a while and decided to do the same. I have a 300cmX285cm space in the garage for me and I will use it for a U-shape layout. I will not reproduce any era or place, it will be just my imagination of a miniature world. The layout planned is a little bit confusing but I think is nice and it enables some operations. I haven´t start to built yet (the plywood didn't arrive yet), but I will post images as soon as I start. I am finishing the plan for the wiring and the Faller Car System, so if you have any suggestions, go ahead. Filipe Almeida Edited by user 25 May 2011 13:07:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified Pimanel attached the following image(s):
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RayF		#2 Posted : 25 May 2011 10:25:08(UTC)
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 9,901 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Hi Filipe, looks like a great plan! I look forward to seeing your progress.
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Ian555		#3 Posted : 25 May 2011 10:47:25(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,008 Location: Scotland		Hi Filipe, Welcome to the forum. Ian.
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steventrain		#4 Posted : 25 May 2011 11:17:15(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 25,062 Location: United Kingdom		Excellent plan, Keep posted soon when start work.
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petestra		#5 Posted : 25 May 2011 13:07:39(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,317 Location: washington,dc		Hi Felipe, I really like your trackplan. Please keep us all posted on your layout progress. Cheers,Peter
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Chris6382chris		#6 Posted : 25 May 2011 13:50:53(UTC)
Joined: 11/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 909 Location: Wine Country, CA		Nice plan, I am looking forward to hearing about your progress. Good luck. Chris
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pn		#7 Posted : 25 May 2011 18:09:02(UTC)
Joined: 13/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 103 Location: Portugal		Hi Filipe, Great layout! I also some some space in the basement I'm allowed to use for my trains :-) I'm almost in the same stage as you are - still at the drawing board but looking forward to start the construction work. By the way, what SW are you using for the layout planning? I'm using Anyrail. Regards, Pedro
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Pimanel		#8 Posted : 25 May 2011 18:40:40(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hello Thank you all for the messages. The program I use is wintrack. An old version, 5 or 6, I think. I have some troubles with R4 and R5 curves as they don't fit very well, but is a good approach to next test in the real layout. So far the plan is reproducible, but lets see if I have to make some adjustments. I tried to build a small christmas layout a few years ago and I realised that things don't allways go has we plan. Maybe next month I will start to post pictures. I just received a new camera, so I have also to learn how to use it. Filipe Almeida
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nevw		#9 Posted : 25 May 2011 22:07:37(UTC)
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,291 Location: Strathpine QLD		Hi Filipe, Welcome to the Forum and keep us posted on progress. NN
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Yumgui		#10 Posted : 25 May 2011 22:27:42(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,253 Location: Paris, France		Filipe, Very nice plans, now I have to understand them ... ;) I especially like the suggestions for U-shaped layout , hmmm ... If you could explicit the different levels and how they function, I would be grateful. And, another question, what is the software used to draw these plans ? Will be watching your progress ^^. Welcome to the forum, and keep up the good work ! Yum
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Pimanel		#11 Posted : 25 May 2011 23:11:43(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hi I use wintrack. So, the layout is divided in three levels. Level 1 (0cm high, gray color) is the hidden yard for train storage. Then an helix (~3,3% grade) brings up the double track to the Level 2 (15cm high, brown color), that goes to the Main Station and a small city behind it. At the end of the station, it starts climbing again (3,5%) to the Level 2 (27cm high, orange color), where it passes through a village with a small station and a freight yard. The shadowed tracks are invisible, under tunnels. The rest of the colors are a sketch of the wiring scheme for blocks, signals, contact tracks. I have a central station and a connection to a PC for Rocrail operations. Filipe Almeida
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Pimanel		#12 Posted : 26 August 2011 12:09:16(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hello Well, it took a bit more time than what I was expecting but I finally started building my layout. I started in the middle of August and now I post here the first pictures. So, just to remember, it has three levels and an helix to go from level 0 to level 1. It is on C-track controlled by one CS2 (and RocRail in the future). I decided to go on MDF 10mm thick because of the price. What I will do is to paint the wood with a plastic paint to protect from water (it comes in tile color). The structure is complete and the level 0 is about 90% complete. I also added cork (3mm thick) to isolate the sound. Now I am working on the electrification. I think I will divide the layout in three parts also, so I will buy two Boosters, for the other levels. See attached pictures. I will add more pictures this weekend. Comments and suggestions are welcome. Pimanel Edited by user 26 August 2011 12:29:45(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified Pimanel attached the following image(s):
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petestra		#13 Posted : 26 August 2011 13:26:20(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,317 Location: washington,dc		Hi Filipe. I just wanted to compliment you on your carpentry skills. BRAVO! It's going to be a super layout. Cheers,Peter
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pn		#14 Posted : 26 August 2011 15:03:54(UTC)
Joined: 13/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 103 Location: Portugal		Hi Filipe, Great progress! Congratulations. Pedro
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Johnvr		#15 Posted : 26 August 2011 15:27:26(UTC)
Joined: 03/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 637 Location: Cape Town, South Africa		The beginning of an adventure !! Regards, John
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river6109		#16 Posted : 26 August 2011 15:32:33(UTC)
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 9,279 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		Hi Filipe, make sure you've got enough room between the different floors !!!!!!! Looks great regards., John
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Pimanel		#17 Posted : 18 October 2011 23:40:10(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hi Building a layout is more difficult than what I expected and even more difficult when I do not have the desired time to dedicate to this hobby. I have been busy with the electrical part of the layout and now I can have several trains running at same time (circuit by blocks) without hiting each other! I am no expert in electronics so it has been difficult for me to learn all the details but so far I managed to overcome the basics. I tested the heights and the climbings and all the trains that I have manage to pass on the critical sites. I added more tracks and the level 1 is also almost finished. I hope soon I can post more pictures showing the progress of the layout. For now i will post a few. Pimanel Pimanel attached the following image(s):
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Chris6382chris		#18 Posted : 19 October 2011 00:21:09(UTC)
Joined: 11/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 909 Location: Wine Country, CA		Pimanel: Great start. It is looking really good. Keep the pictures coming as you make progress. Chris
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Nielsenr		#19 Posted : 19 October 2011 01:32:34(UTC)
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 730 Location: Fort Lauderdale, FL		Looking great!! And yes, keep the pictures coming!! Robert
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kimballthurlow		#20 Posted : 19 October 2011 05:12:25(UTC)
Joined: 18/03/2007(UTC) Posts: 3,781 Location: Brisbane, Australia		Hi Filipe, Yes, it is a tremendous amount of work to get a layout this size set up and operating. To do it in a short space of time, requires almost daily attention. However, to do it over time is also satisfying. In any case, thank you for sharing your experience on this layout. When finished, the end result will allow you the time to purchase more engines and wagons! regards Kimball
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pn		#21 Posted : 19 October 2011 08:25:35(UTC)
Joined: 13/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 103 Location: Portugal		Hi Filipe, It looks really great! Your carpentry skills are impressive. Regards, Pedro
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sebastian		#22 Posted : 19 October 2011 10:08:19(UTC)
Joined: 31/01/2007(UTC) Posts: 728 Location: Richmond Hill, Ontario		Hey Fillipe, This is going to be awesome! Keep us posted on your progress, with lots of pictures. Sebastian
		DRG, DB and SBB Era II, III and IV Sincerely, Sebastian
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petestra		#23 Posted : 19 October 2011 10:22:26(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,317 Location: washington,dc		Looking good, Filipe. Cheers,Peter
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Ian555		#24 Posted : 19 October 2011 10:28:01(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,008 Location: Scotland		Hi Filipe, Great progress on the layout. Ian.
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Pimanel		#25 Posted : 21 October 2011 12:54:04(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hi to all Thanks for the commentaries. I am really enjoying building the layout. I only wish to have more time. I will start to build the next level and then post more pictures. I will also make a video with a tour of the layout. Pimanel
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RayF		#26 Posted : 21 October 2011 14:37:03(UTC)
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 9,901 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		The layout is looking good already, Filipe! Looking forward to more!
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ricky		#27 Posted : 21 October 2011 16:07:40(UTC)
Joined: 07/06/2011(UTC) Posts: 313 Location: California		Really great! Have fun! Cheers, Ricky
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Pimanel		#28 Posted : 29 November 2011 10:18:33(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hi to all Well, I had some problems in my layout. I think it became too realistic. It now rains also on the "Pimanel World"!! Problems in the roof isolation and "some" drops of water keep falling on the layout. Had to rescue some stuff and cover it all up to avoid future problems. So, can't work on it now. But I made the first video of a tour of the layout with Takargo, a portuguese diesel loco pulling some portuguese wagons also. Regards Pimanel
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algarvio		#29 Posted : 29 November 2011 15:06:33(UTC)
Joined: 06/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 7 Location: Algarve - Portugal		Fascinating sound of the 1400 series. Always after the rain comes the sun. You'll overcome this little problem and build a magnificent layout. Continues to keep us informed. Greetings from sunny Algarve
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GlennM		#30 Posted : 29 November 2011 15:54:38(UTC)
Joined: 09/05/2011(UTC) Posts: 843 Location: Manchester, England		The layout is really taking shape and looking good. I hope you are able to stop the leak soon and you are able to return with more photos soon. Best Wishes Glenn
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Christoffer		#31 Posted : 29 November 2011 17:36:02(UTC)
Joined: 23/12/2010(UTC) Posts: 658 Location: Larvik		hi Pimanel Great start of a layout you have here, keep on building
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pab		#32 Posted : 29 November 2011 20:18:28(UTC)
Joined: 03/11/2007(UTC) Posts: 2,295		Hi Pimanel Sorry to hear about your waterproblems. Be sure your connections are dry, otherwise you will have problems in the future. Promising start of your lay-out. Keep posting.
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Yumgui		#33 Posted : 30 November 2011 07:30:49(UTC)
Joined: 20/03/2011(UTC) Posts: 1,253 Location: Paris, France		Nice progress Pimanel ... Get that leak fixed asap so you can continue building with peace of mind ! Also, great sound on that lok Yum
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Ian555		#34 Posted : 30 November 2011 09:08:01(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,008 Location: Scotland		Hi Filipe, Great progress on the layout. Ian.
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pelle68		#35 Posted : 30 November 2011 16:20:13(UTC)
Joined: 21/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 23 Location: São Paulo, Brazil		Oi Pimanel! Tudo bem? I really like the sound of old diesel engines. I didn't know about this loco before but I liked her. Best regards from hot São Paulo Pelle
		Era IV with focus on freight. Testing analog, 6021 and Mobile Station now.
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petestra		#36 Posted : 30 November 2011 19:15:36(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,317 Location: washington,dc		Very nice video, Filipe. That Lok has a very realistic sound. Cheers,Peter
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Pimanel		#37 Posted : 08 December 2011 11:02:00(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hi Thank you all for the replies. I am in the process of solving the roof problem. Until then, no updates. Regards Pimanel
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pn		#38 Posted : 06 May 2012 18:56:26(UTC)
Joined: 13/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 103 Location: Portugal		Hi Pimanel, Any updates on the progress of the layout (and on the roof issue)? I've noticed that you are using cork between the tracks and the MDF base boards. I'm planning to do the almost same using cork and plywood. Did you glue the cork to the base boards? If so, what kind of glue is most adequate to do that? Thanks / Obrigado Regards, pn
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Pimanel		#39 Posted : 14 May 2012 16:38:51(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hello again It has passed almost half a year since I post something. The roof problem was a little bit more difficult to solve than what was the initial overview. It is not fixed yet but at least is mended. I do not have much to show you because I only worked under the layout, in the electrical part. I will show you pictures of my spaguetti in a next post. I prefered to invest on locos and wagons and I also managed to add computer control by Rocrail. I know that some people dislike computer control but it allows me to add more automated control. I post here a video of trains entering and leaving the main station where you can hear station announcements. Sorry, the announcements are in portuguese. But what the lady says is: "It is now entering/exiting on platform # of the city station the train #". It illustrates also the Rocrail automatic control of the locos. Hope you enjoy Pimanel
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Pimanel		#40 Posted : 14 May 2012 16:47:23(UTC)
Joined: 12/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 34 Location: Lisbon, Portugal		Hi Originally Posted by: pn I've noticed that you are using cork between the tracks and the MDF base boards. I'm planning to do the almost same using cork and plywood. Did you glue the cork to the base boards? If so, what kind of glue is most adequate to do that? I use cork to try to eliminate the sound of the ressonance of the C-track and it works fine. I glued it with normal wood glue, adding some drops only in the extremities and in the middle. I do this because I have to drill holes for the the cables under the track. If I glue it all, it is very difficult to drill the holes. But I am having some troubles, since in some parts the cork is lifting up and "bubbles" are appearing. Maybe you should glue it all. Try in a small piece. Filipe
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pn		#41 Posted : 14 May 2012 17:46:29(UTC)
Joined: 13/04/2011(UTC) Posts: 103 Location: Portugal		Hi Filipe, Good to know that the roof issue is more or less under control. Thanks for the hints I'm also using C track (2 rail Trix version) and the cork seemed to me a good and cheap way of avoiding resonance. I'll also need to drill holes for the cables, so I'll follow your advice and see how it works. Very nice layout the one you are building. Very good work. Thanks, Pedro
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Ian555		#42 Posted : 14 May 2012 17:59:21(UTC)
Joined: 04/06/2009(UTC) Posts: 17,008 Location: Scotland		Hi Filipe, Enjoyed watching your video. Ian.
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steventrain		#43 Posted : 14 May 2012 18:03:14(UTC)
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 25,062 Location: United Kingdom		Very good video, Filipe.
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Webmaster		#44 Posted : 14 May 2012 19:41:26(UTC)
Joined: 25/07/2001(UTC) Posts: 7,780		Very smooth train operation, like it a lot.
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TrainIride		#45 Posted : 16 May 2012 06:39:48(UTC)
Joined: 22/10/2010(UTC) Posts: 881 Location: FRANCE		Hi Filipe. Wonderful video ! I could stay train spotting 24/24 in front of your layout ! Mine is full analog, but it gives me digital dreams... Regards Joël Edited by user 16 May 2012 07:33:49(UTC)  | Reason: orthographic
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nevw		#46 Posted : 16 May 2012 07:21:59(UTC)
Joined: 27/08/2005(UTC) Posts: 11,291 Location: Strathpine QLD		Great Filipe, A wonderful job and a great layout. NN
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petestra		#47 Posted : 16 May 2012 14:01:33(UTC)
Joined: 26/07/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,317 Location: washington,dc		Very nice, Filipe. I close my eyes and I'm in wonderful Europe. Thanks for the quick trip! Peter
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