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SINCrazee		#1 Posted : 04 February 2011 09:23:08(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 309 Location: SIN , ICAO: WSSS		Hi everyone , I received news from Reynauld regarding the new Toyfair locomotive. It will be a BR 53 steam locomotive with World War II Winter Camouflage paint scheme and there will be limited units available.(Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train regarding the world war eras.. More information here: http://www.reynaulds.com...ducts/Marklin/37024.aspx The picture of how it should look like:
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H0		#2 Posted : 04 February 2011 09:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: SINCrazee Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train regarding the world war eras. Maybe this one is just an acceptance test. Dealers can order this loco based on the amount of their toy-fair pre-orders. So this model is limited, but not as limited as e. g. MHI convention locos. I won't order this one. It would be interesting to see the other side of the loco (is it the same as 37023 with all the Märklinisms?).
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Bigdaddynz		#3 Posted : 04 February 2011 11:01:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 17/09/2006(UTC) Posts: 18,778 Location: New Zealand		Originally Posted by: SINCrazee Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train regarding the world war eras.. Well they aren't, because this locomotive, or any of the other Br53's, never existed as fully built units. So, it is actually a 'fantasy' or 'what if' locomotive.
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rrf		#4 Posted : 04 February 2011 14:33:27(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/11/2009(UTC) Posts: 300 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland USA		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: SINCrazee Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train regarding the world war eras.. Well they aren't, because this locomotive, or any of the other Br53's, never existed as fully built units. So, it is actually a 'fantasy' or 'what if' locomotive. Hello, If they were truely serious, they would produce a Panzer division train to go with this lok ... complete with flat cars full of Panzer IV's & V's, the various Grenadier vehiches, not to mention those cool 8 wheeled recon armoured cars. And yes, I'm a life long war gamer who has dreamed of owning this train while in the midst of quite a few eastern front campaigns! My good friend who always plays the Red Army has long complained about the lack of Russion model trains ... his complaints became even louder after I purchased my BR 53 Bye,
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Armando		#5 Posted : 04 February 2011 15:17:22(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Personally, I don't think that Märklin will have changed their "marklinisms" about this loco. It is the same stone old model with just a new decoder. It will be noisy and grinding. At least it will come with light bulbs instead of those unnatural leds, but then of course, the light from the bulbs certainly will bleed through the lower part of the body. Am I being too pessimistic? Can anyone who already owns a BR 53 please explain? Liliput manufactures some mini submarine freight cars which IMO would go well with this loco.
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H0		#6 Posted : 04 February 2011 19:32:54(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Armando Personally, I don't think that Märklin will have changed their "marklinisms" about this loco. I was referring to the 37023 that came with a tub-tender, but the loco had all the pipes needed for the condensing tender. This Märklinism was unique to 37023.
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Armando		#7 Posted : 04 February 2011 19:36:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Armando Personally, I don't think that Märklin will have changed their "marklinisms" about this loco. I was referring to the 37023 that came with a tub-tender, but the loco had all the pipes needed for the condensing tender. This Märklinism was unique to 37023. But, Tom, does it somehow change my comment about the Märklin BR 53 family? I think not. Was the 37023 technically better in any way? Do you own it yourself?
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H0		#8 Posted : 04 February 2011 20:27:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Armando Originally Posted by: H0 Originally Posted by: Armando Personally, I don't think that Märklin will have changed their "marklinisms" about this loco. I was referring to the 37023 that came with a tub-tender, but the loco had all the pipes needed for the condensing tender. This Märklinism was unique to 37023. But, Tom, does it somehow change my comment about the Märklin BR 53 family? I think not. I hope that the Märklinism they introduced with 37023 (superflous pipes) will be removed with 37024. They won't change DCM or light-bulb (with bleeding light). These are no Märklinisms (incorrect details that could have been avoided with little or no extra costs), these are by design. Since this loco never existed in 1:1, talking about "incorrect details" can be based on the blue-prints and the other war-time locos only.
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DasBert33		#9 Posted : 05 February 2011 14:11:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/01/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,280		I hope this one will be successfull, I would very much like an era II war series. The negative reactions on fora like Stummis about this loco are very disappointing. If it just wasnt so expensive I would buy it. But I already have a BR53 that costed only 200 euros including motor and decoder upgrade, paying more than twice of that is just too much. Even if it includes sound. On the other hand I don't want to miss out on what maybe will be the only wartime loco M produced. And I agree that after the last BR53 I would not like to order if it wasnt clear whether the piping error has been corrected. I hope they will do a less costly 2nd acceptance test as well, eg a WR360 (V36) loco or some flatcars with tanks. There are no real hobby alternatives for era II enthousiasts. Bert
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mattj70		#10 Posted : 09 February 2011 11:41:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/03/2010(UTC) Posts: 478 Location: Hudson FL		Hi, I needs the proper Panzer assortment, This is my Panzer train, Marklin engine Artitec vehicals, Lilliput flat cars. Matt
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jonquinn		#11 Posted : 09 February 2011 22:08:30(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 1,591 Location: Pennsylvania		if the extra funds were available, I'd have put my order in. Even though its a fictional loco, I think it looks nice. maybe one will come up on ebay someday when I can afford it.
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kariosls37		#12 Posted : 10 February 2011 00:25:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,067 Location: Auckland, New Zealand		Originally Posted by: rrf Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: SINCrazee Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train My good friend who always plays the Red Army has long complained about the lack of Russion model trains ... his complaints became even louder after I purchased my BR 53 Bye, What about this one? Imagine this pulling up in a yard
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dan67millie		#13 Posted : 18 February 2011 22:20:55(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 09/11/2010(UTC) Posts: 202 Location: England Northamptonshire		Originally Posted by: rrf Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: SINCrazee Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train regarding the world war eras.. Well they aren't, because this locomotive, or any of the other Br53's, never existed as fully built units. So, it is actually a 'fantasy' or 'what if' locomotive. Hello, If they were truely serious, they would produce a Panzer division train to go with this lok ... complete with flat cars full of Panzer IV's & V's, the various Grenadier vehiches, not to mention those cool 8 wheeled recon armoured cars. And yes, I'm a life long war gamer who has dreamed of owning this train while in the midst of quite a few eastern front campaigns! My good friend who always plays the Red Army has long complained about the lack of Russion model trains ... his complaints became even louder after I purchased my BR 53 Bye, Hi i did wounder when i saw your comment. In the new items brochure there is a new flat car set with a box car cat number 46501 stuttgart two axle flat car! dresden box car. Now notice that two of the cars have buffers which allows these wagons to be re-gauged for Russian wide gauge track!!. Now hear is a thought, What if Marklin will produce flat cars with Russian Front Panzers ect!!. I would like to see Russian sleeper coaches myself what do you think. Dan.
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DOYLER		#14 Posted : 19 February 2011 13:05:36(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: IRELAND		I just want to comment on the Marklin Toyfair Special the Br53 Camouflage paint scheme i just want to say that i think it looks awful in that colour Green and black may be okay but a standard steam loco would be easier to use on your layout. Why do Marklin always just issue steam locos as there special editions could they not bring out an RE460 loco as i like modern locos and im sure im not alone Marklin could do an RE460 in some of the many lovely liveries that HAG have released over recent times. You can buy on average 2 Marklin RE460 locos for one of the HAG Sound versions even tough i have about 16 HAG RE460 Sound locos collected and about 20 of Marklin n HAG in total happy modelling.
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SINCrazee		#15 Posted : 19 February 2011 14:06:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 309 Location: SIN , ICAO: WSSS		Originally Posted by: DOYLER I just want to comment on the Marklin Toyfair Special the Br53 Camouflage paint scheme i just want to say that i think it looks awful in that colour Green and black may be okay but a standard steam loco would be easier to use on your layout. Why do Marklin always just issue steam locos as there special editions could they not bring out an RE460 loco as i like modern locos and im sure im not alone Marklin could do an RE460 in some of the many lovely liveries that HAG have released over recent times. You can buy on average 2 Marklin RE460 locos for one of the HAG Sound versions even tough i have about 16 HAG RE460 Sound locos collected and about 20 of Marklin n HAG in total happy modelling. I agree with your opinion. It 's really ugly and looks too serious for a fictional locomotive.. BTW , Welcome to the world of Marklin-users.net !!
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RayF		#16 Posted : 19 February 2011 14:43:52(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Originally Posted by: DOYLER I just want to comment on the Marklin Toyfair Special the Br53 Camouflage paint scheme i just want to say that i think it looks awful in that colour Green and black may be okay but a standard steam loco would be easier to use on your layout. Why do Marklin always just issue steam locos as there special editions could they not bring out an RE460 loco as i like modern locos and im sure im not alone Marklin could do an RE460 in some of the many lovely liveries that HAG have released over recent times. You can buy on average 2 Marklin RE460 locos for one of the HAG Sound versions even tough i have about 16 HAG RE460 Sound locos collected and about 20 of Marklin n HAG in total happy modelling. Welcome to the forum Doyler. It's a shame that your first post has to be a complaint! I hope the rest of your time on this forum is a bit more upbeat!
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steventrain		#17 Posted : 19 February 2011 15:03:45(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,709 Location: United Kingdom		Hi Doyler, Welcome to the forum from Northern Ireland.
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DOYLER		#18 Posted : 19 February 2011 15:24:43(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: IRELAND		I am normally upbeat i was just giving my opinion on the first topic i saw and it was the 2011 toyfair model. I must say this years insider model looks nice the Class 50 the last Insider model i got was 39050 the Class 05 Funds were low last year I just collect Marklin locos and locos i find attractive to the eye sadly the Senator set didnt appeal to me i have no layout yet got the Marklin Big Boy ref 37991 in 2006 and i have never ran it yet. My favourite Marklin model in my collection would be the first model in the Bellingrodt Edition the BR 96 ref 37965 it looks great and the Class103 ref 39579 from a tecno point of view with the Pantographs goin up n down at a touch of a button blows people away anytime i show them it operating. Here is my first question i purchased the Class 103 in 2006 from a UK Marklin Dealer better not name him i found out after it was released as an insider model i just want to know did a cert come with them in the box as mine had none and was sold to me as a new model i was not an insider member or was never asked if i was one i know 39080 was the 2006 Insider model i believe 39579 was the 2003 Insider Model.
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H0		#19 Posted : 19 February 2011 17:34:19(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: DOYLER i just want to know did a cert come with them in the box as mine had none and was sold to me as a new model i was not an insider member There was no certificate in the box. In the old days (IIRC up to Senator and 01 150) the certificates (with the name of the buyer) were sent via snail mail.
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DOYLER		#20 Posted : 19 February 2011 17:58:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 19/02/2011(UTC) Posts: 19 Location: IRELAND		Thanks TOM for the answer to my question. Its a nice model glad i got one of them Class 103 specials ref 39579. So for the last 7 yrs insider models have all been fairly old models none that modern do Marklin view modern locos as been boring or dull maybe i know they done the ICE Class 401 39710 as an insider model but well before i started collecting Marklin i believe it was out in 1999 or 2000. Anyhow its nice to have joined this site i started my Marklin loco collecting in 2006.
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H0		#21 Posted : 19 February 2011 18:44:39(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: DOYLER So for the last 7 yrs insider models have all been fairly old models The 01 150 is an era V model, the two 120 159 are era VI models. OK, for the mainstream there always was an era III model in those years.
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Goofy		#22 Posted : 20 February 2011 09:05:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Originally Posted by: SINCrazee Who says Marklin don't want to produce a train regarding the world war eras.. Well they aren't, because this locomotive, or any of the other Br53's, never existed as fully built units. So, it is actually a 'fantasy' or 'what if' locomotive. I agree with you! It´s an alien! What on the .... shall alien doing at the layout for???
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kariosls37		#23 Posted : 20 February 2011 09:31:32(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 02/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 1,067 Location: Auckland, New Zealand		90% of the layouts in this forum are completely fictional. Why not a loco? I'm not saying that M* should make heaps of fictional models, but if the RAF hadn't been so bl***y thorough in bombing the Borsig works, we would have a prototype for the 53.
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H0		#24 Posted : 20 February 2011 09:38:09(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: kariosls37 I'm not saying that M* should make heaps of fictional models, but if the RAF hadn't been so bl***y thorough in bombing the Borsig works, we would have a prototype for the 53. In the 150 year book they wrote that it's only a legend: Borsig wasn't working on a BR 53 (they wrote that in older catalogues, but it ain't true). Don't blame the RAF, blame M*'s big-mouthed advertising. BTW: several DIY models of this Borsig design had been made before M* produced their version.
		Regards Tom --- "In all of the gauges, we particularly emphasize a high level of quality, the best possible fidelity to the prototype, and absolute precision. You will see that in all of our products." (from Märklin New Items Brochure 2015, page 1) ROFLBTCUTS
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RayF		#25 Posted : 20 February 2011 10:51:47(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,872 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Is it just big-mouthed advertising? In the 1988 catalogue they quote an eye witness, Mr Karl-Heinz Golze who says he actually saw construction start on the loco. I know that there was great confusion at the time with the "fog of war", wartime propaganda, fire from the skies, etc. Maybe we will never know the truth of the matter. RayF attached the following image(s):
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H0		#26 Posted : 20 February 2011 11:48:14(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: RayPayas In the 1988 catalogue they quote an eye witness, Mr Karl-Heinz Golze who says he actually saw construction start on the loco. In the book with the name "Die Legende lebt" (2009, The legend is alive) they confirm that this is just a legend. Page 111: "Gerüchte über den Bau eines Prototypen erwiesen sich als haltlos." (Rumors about the construction of a prototype proved to be unfounded.) The eye witness was only used to seeing class 52 locos at Borsig. The bigger loco he saw was a class 42 loco, not the legendary class 53 frame. So the eye witness (a teenager then) really saw a loco that was different and bigger. These are the facts. More than 40 years later the loco frame had grown a bit in his memories, I presume. It already sounds different in the 1999 catalogue: "At the end of 1943 at least the running gear, the frame and the boiler were supposed to have been built [...]"
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steventrain		#27 Posted : 20 February 2011 12:08:37(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/10/2004(UTC) Posts: 31,709 Location: United Kingdom		See here http://www-personal.umic...ived/Borsig%20Mallet.htm
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SINCrazee		#28 Posted : 20 February 2011 14:29:13(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 309 Location: SIN , ICAO: WSSS		This thread is going to be out of topic soon.. So. Please only discuss about the BR 53 Toy Fair locomotive and the "fictional" real life BR 53
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Goofy		#29 Posted : 20 February 2011 19:47:20(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 12/08/2006(UTC) Posts: 9,300		Borsig did start to build locomotiv BR53...but did closed down since war did toke material things to created warmaterials instead. Borsig BR53 has never been finish,since money ran out of too... Marklins BR53 is only an fantasy locomotiv.
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H0		#30 Posted : 20 February 2011 19:52:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 16/02/2004(UTC) Posts: 15,474 Location: DE-NW		Originally Posted by: Goofy Borsig did start to build locomotiv BR53... Do you have evidence for that statement? The famous eye witness does not count.
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steventrain		#31 Posted : 28 June 2011 16:06:30(UTC) Retweet
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Armando		#32 Posted : 11 August 2011 03:45:38(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2003(UTC) Posts: 1,358 Location: Houston, Texas		I finally received mine yesterday. Overall, a very impressive model. The paint work of the camouflage effect is astonishing. On the assets side: -Full range of steam locomotive sounds (however, not so impressive as on the BR 45 or BR 39). -Striking looks in winter camouflage attire. -Light bulbs instead of LEDs (I don't like LEDs!) -Smooth running features. On the liabilities side: -Noisy, noisy griding gearwork! Can be heard even with the motor sounds on! -Like on previous models of the BR 53, light from light bulbs bleeds through underside. I would've wished that the loco came with some sort of presentation display or the like. It comes only with a piece of track attached to a wooden pedestal. Will try to post some pictures later.
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SINCrazee		#33 Posted : 11 August 2011 17:21:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 21/07/2010(UTC) Posts: 309 Location: SIN , ICAO: WSSS		Originally Posted by: Armando I finally received mine yesterday. Overall, a very impressive model. The paint work of the camouflage effect is astonishing. On the assets side: -Full range of steam locomotive sounds (however, not so impressive as on the BR 45 or BR 39). -Striking looks in winter camouflage attire. -Light bulbs instead of LEDs (I don't like LEDs!) -Smooth running features. On the liabilities side: -Noisy, noisy griding gearwork! Can be heard even with the motor sounds on! -Like on previous models of the BR 53, light from light bulbs bleeds through underside. I would've wished that the loco came with some sort of presentation display or the like. It comes only with a piece of track attached to a wooden pedestal. Will try to post some pictures later. Sounds really nice.. Haha.. Noisy.. I doubt lots of Marklin motors produced in this era are noisy. Get a HAG if you want a softer sound.
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river6109		#34 Posted : 12 August 2011 06:28:40(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 22/01/2009(UTC) Posts: 14,881 Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square		the reason they've made a BR 53 (fictional) so it doesn't give the impression they are glorifying the war years, hence no additional display.
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Jeremy Palmer		#35 Posted : 29 May 2012 01:25:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 15/04/2005(UTC) Posts: 2,464 Location: St. Michael, Barbados		Dunno about issues from the war - they did make this.....................................to me it's a model and that's all. Plenty of room for others to have differing opinions. Mine is not right and theirs wrong and of course vice versa. Jeremy Palmer attached the following image(s):
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