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Offline steventrain  
#301 Posted : 04 December 2012 19:39:15(UTC)
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Excellent gigantic layout.Smile
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Offline river6109  
#302 Posted : 06 December 2012 16:27:16(UTC)
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Rinus,

What type of solenoids are you using, I've noticed you've mentioned Märklin, before you add any more I would test them before you connect them.

I thought this was a thing of the past, when we first operated the layout at a show I've blwon several and I couldn't make out why until I've inspected them.
The soldering was the culprit by soldering over 2 contacts withother words, when the solenoid shifts to one side it lifts up the tungue and cuts off the power but with mine, the power cut never happened.

John
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Offline pab  
#303 Posted : 06 December 2012 18:02:42(UTC)
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Nice progress on the lay-out. Very impressive.
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Offline Rinus  
#304 Posted : 06 December 2012 20:26:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

What type of solenoids are you using, I've noticed you've mentioned Märklin, before you add any more I would test them before you connect them.

I thought this was a thing of the past, when we first operated the layout at a show I've blwon several and I couldn't make out why until I've inspected them.
The soldering was the culprit by soldering over 2 contacts withother words, when the solenoid shifts to one side it lifts up the tungue and cuts off the power but with mine, the power cut never happened.

John


The standard Märklin ones 7549, allthough some are quite old. I operate them with Viessmann 5212 decoders. A viessmann powermodule is fitted between the decoders and the transformer.

I think I have the same problem with the one mentioned above. With the result that the plastics melts above the copper wire.

I'll use servo's for the top level.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#305 Posted : 09 December 2012 12:05:44(UTC)
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Driving time!

A double traction Rh 1012 (Marklin) with some ACME coaches and a double traction EU43 also with some ACME coaches.

Sorry for the dark pictures. Its a bit rainy outside...

Enjoy!



Regards,

Rinus
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Offline river6109  
#306 Posted : 09 December 2012 13:34:06(UTC)
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Rinus, when you go to the video editor you can enhance the video and one option is to lighten up the video.

I like the double traction

regards.,

John
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Offline Ian555  
#307 Posted : 09 December 2012 15:28:52(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Enjoyed watching the video's. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#308 Posted : 23 December 2012 12:57:45(UTC)
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Hi my friends!

The catenary arrived. I ordered the all metal profi catenary system from Sommerfeldt. http://www.sommerfeldt.de/data/...erfeldt-katalog-2009.pdf. They come in blank metal, so they do need to be painted first. I must say they surpassed my expectations. they really look terrific. Love .

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Also I spotted an offer on Lippe, two Sdkmms:

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And of course our cat did some inspections:

Testing the landscape...
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Yup signals look fine too ...
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Plaster seems dry as well ...
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Smooth running ...
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Rinus
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Offline steventrain  
#309 Posted : 23 December 2012 13:07:01(UTC)
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look great, I like your cat.ThumpUp
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Offline French_Fabrice  
#310 Posted : 23 December 2012 13:49:11(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Catenary looks very promising... if your chief inspector decides so Scared Smile

Merry ChristmasBigGrin

Fabrice
Offline Ian555  
#311 Posted : 23 December 2012 14:33:14(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great progress. ThumpUp

Merry Christmas.

Ian.

Offline petestra  
#312 Posted : 23 December 2012 14:33:53(UTC)
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Hi Rinus! Layout's coming along quite nicely. Handsome kitty! My Black Jack seems many times to take the same route over the railroad. It's amazing how he crosses the catenary and cross spans without hardly ever touching them. His brother Izzy hardly ever visits the layout. Black Jack always heads for the high ground and sits on the
Autobahn on the mountain. (Avatar Photo). Have a great Chirstmas and New Year. Peter
Cool
Offline Danlake  
#313 Posted : 23 December 2012 15:33:10(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Looks great!

Brgds - Lasse
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Offline Webmaster  
#314 Posted : 24 December 2012 07:56:16(UTC)
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Good to have independent inspectors who can do tests & checkups...BigGrin
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline Goofy  
#315 Posted : 24 December 2012 08:02:03(UTC)
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Did the cat said something too?
Miaowww...!

BigGrin
Sincerely
Anders

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Era 1




Offline Christoffer  
#316 Posted : 24 December 2012 08:30:10(UTC)
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Hey Rinus!

Very nice ThumpUp ThumpUp Keep it up!

Christoffer
Offline Rinus  
#317 Posted : 26 December 2012 22:58:42(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies all!

Train traffic came to an stop, while our cat took a nap on the track. I wonder if the current doesn't bother cats?

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However I also received a birthdaypresent which I think is worthwhile showing!

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It does service on the Brennerbahn. Usually in tandem, so there is a possibility to buy another one Drool !

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I´ll post a review in the review section when I´ve tested it.

Rinus
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Offline Rinus  
#318 Posted : 16 January 2013 21:17:19(UTC)
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Hi all,

Making progress with the catenary. All the masts have been placed. I still need to install the wire. However I'm gonna airbrush it first. I failed with painting it. The wire is very thing and painting would not bring me a nice result. The wire then appears much thicker. For that I want a compressor.

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Unfortunately my Intellibox IR seems to have died. See also my post in the digital section. Now thinking of buying a new Intellibox II, which is quite expensive...Crying

especially since the LS Model order finally arrived after 7 months. Here they are! A 2 set of sleeper coaches

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Regards,

Rinus
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Offline steventrain  
#319 Posted : 16 January 2013 21:37:56(UTC)
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Excellent, Rinus.
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Offline petestra  
#320 Posted : 16 January 2013 21:55:48(UTC)
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Great work, Rinus! Photos show your progress well. You see, you have to do good work while the
inspector is watching. LOL


PeterThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp Smile
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Offline Ian555  
#321 Posted : 17 January 2013 06:54:13(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Very nice work, thanks for the update photo's. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline French_Fabrice  
#322 Posted : 18 January 2013 07:21:24(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

The catenary looks very nice. Really a great job !
Congratulations.

Cheers
fabrice
Offline Torstein  
#323 Posted : 18 January 2013 08:40:00(UTC)
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Nice work Rinus.

Looking god. ThumpUp

Torstein
Offline Mark5  
#324 Posted : 18 January 2013 21:30:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,

Making progress with the catenary. All the masts have been placed. I still need to install the wire. However I'm gonna airbrush it first. I failed with painting it. The wire is very thing and painting would not bring me a nice result. The wire then appears much thicker. For that I want a compressor.

[IMG ---Great photos!---IMG]

....


Thanks so much for posting these photos Rinus,

It very exciting for me to see your Sommerfeldt catenary up... it looks very well done!

Do you have any tips on getting things level (upright) and under the correct functional tension?
Will you be running your trains from powered lines.... ?

Also wondering what colour you want to airbrush the wires?
Or are you dispensing of that idea?

Today and yesterday was the first time I had a really good look at your thread here on the forum.
I read it with pleasure. Please keep us up to date.

Thanks again,
Mark


Interested in history of DB, DR and FS from about 1955 to 1965
Fan of signals and catenary; stations and yards. Is there anything else?

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Offline Christoffer  
#325 Posted : 28 January 2013 20:22:03(UTC)
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Hello Rinus ThumpUp

Excellent catenary work, this is really inspiring for me that i plan catenary with sommerfeldt myself BigGrin BigGrin Go on with pictures ! Keep up the good work Cool

Christoffer
Offline Mark5  
#326 Posted : 30 January 2013 18:01:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post

Hehe no tulips in our garden, I prefer trees. Lots of squirrels though!

Great video from Brenner to Innsbruck, just to give you an impression of the line!
If you do not have the patience or time... Steinach am Brenner begins at +/- 13:00 min. The St Joduk curve is before that.

Hope you enjoy!


Hello Rinus,

Thoroughly enjoyed reading through the rest of your posts...
Love how you managed to make the move to your new house with the set in modules.
Wisely done. Great to have such a large space for the layout! (5mx5M)

As for the above video clip, my wife and I sat at the kitchen table with a coffee,
the kids in bed, and watched most of it.
Felt like we were in Austria traveling...
seeing the catenary, the tunnels and the countryside through the one view was well worth it.

BTW - Would love to see anything like this throughout Germany or in Italy.
Sometimes searching Youtube in German is a challenge for me.

Reminds me as well that one day I will have to organize and post my still photos from train trips through Italy.

Thanks so much again for taking the time to post your layout work and development.

Tot Ziens,
Mark
Interested in history of DB, DR and FS from about 1955 to 1965
Fan of signals and catenary; stations and yards. Is there anything else?

Offline Rinus  
#327 Posted : 30 January 2013 19:00:45(UTC)
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Hi Mark!

Thank you very much! I visited the Brennerbahn this Chrismass. Awesome to see the double traction trains at the front with one extra loco pushing at the back attacking the steep ramps. These are some brute powers I can tell you.


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Offline petestra  
#328 Posted : 30 January 2013 22:07:14(UTC)
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Hi Rinus, that was one excellent video, just super! I have subscribed to the maker.
Thanks &
Cheers,Peter ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp Smile
Offline kc6uvm_George  
#329 Posted : 31 January 2013 07:07:38(UTC)
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Excellent Videos. ThumpUp

Thank you. Smile
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Offline Rinus  
#330 Posted : 17 March 2013 08:44:59(UTC)
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Hi all!

Sorry I haven't had time to do some posting for a while. To make this up, I'll show some pictures of some double traction fun.

Rh 1044
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BR185
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EU43
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Rh 1012
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Rh 1020
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Enjoy!

Rinus
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Offline Rinus  
#331 Posted : 17 March 2013 08:55:23(UTC)
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All of course closely overseen by my master inspector!

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with the obligatory rest ...

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Rinus
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Offline French_Fabrice  
#332 Posted : 17 March 2013 10:06:17(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

It's always a pleasure to see updates on your layout...

Very nice double traction sets !ThumpUp

And so nice chief inspector !Smile

Cheers
Fabrice
Offline petestra  
#333 Posted : 17 March 2013 10:26:29(UTC)
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Hi Rinus, the layout is looking really great! I love that prototypical catenary. It's funny how work

is done better when the inspector is on duty. Laugh PeterThumpUp Smile
Offline Ian555  
#334 Posted : 17 March 2013 10:47:37(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Thanks for the photo's. ThumpUp

Only the one Inspector....

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#335 Posted : 17 March 2013 13:55:06(UTC)
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continued today with the tensioning of the catenary...

Fastening on one end in the tunnel with metal treadwire [improvise mode on] BigGrin BigGrin ...

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Tunnel exit

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Functional tensioning device working with a spring.

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Love the sommerfeld catenary system. Its very strong, all metal and a joy to work with. I recommend it to everyone.

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Offline Rinus  
#336 Posted : 24 March 2013 13:22:52(UTC)
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Hi all,

Made some good progress on the cantenary today. Only the two branch lines in the station remain to be done. Ive tensioned up the two mainlines. also the entracte and exits are in place. i did some improvising again with metal wire. Works excelent.


Rh 1042 testing the catenary zig-zag
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Ankor & smooth entrance/exit for panto
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Some other work
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Offline petestra  
#337 Posted : 31 March 2013 10:27:45(UTC)
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Catenary looks great, Rinus. Your main line looks so Profi too. PeterThumpUp Smile
Offline Rinus  
#338 Posted : 01 April 2013 14:13:14(UTC)
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Jägerndorfer Rh 1822 passing through Steinach am Brenner with Märklin coal train.


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Offline Rinus  
#339 Posted : 01 April 2013 15:14:21(UTC)
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And another one figuring a double traction BR185.5 from Locomotion ...




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Offline obxbill  
#340 Posted : 01 April 2013 15:16:09(UTC)
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Most enjoyable!!! Make some more videos soon, please! ThumpUp

Bill
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Offline Rinus  
#341 Posted : 27 April 2013 19:05:40(UTC)
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Hi all,

No good news from the lay-out.

My brandnew (well from January this year..) Intellibox 2 broke down! Crying Crying Crying

It's fully blocked ...

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I read some German formums and read that this will probably mean a long repair...

I've contacted the agent and will send it for repairs next week. What a pitty.

Guess I'll switch to completing the catenary and focussing on the scenery for the next months.

Rinus
Offline petestra  
#342 Posted : 27 April 2013 21:15:10(UTC)
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Sorry to hear of your problem, Rinus. Do you know if this is a common thing with the Intellibox?

Good luck, PeterCrying
Offline countrylink  
#343 Posted : 28 April 2013 00:19:07(UTC)
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Not good news about the IB2,Rinus.Since the unit is only a couple of months old should it be completely replaced with another new unit.That would be the fairest way i would reckon rather than wait months for the repairs to be done.
Offline river6109  
#344 Posted : 28 April 2013 00:49:04(UTC)
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Rinus,

What a layout it is going to be and with the overhead system, you did an excellent job, looks very professional. congratulations. I've just subscribed to your videos and will await the next one, well until the Intellibox returns, I hope soon.
I just had my Radio control from ESU returned and programmed some locos into it and for some unknown reasons my 2 V220/200 aren't responding to speed or the reversing button.

regards.,

John
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Offline Rinus  
#345 Posted : 09 May 2013 21:46:44(UTC)
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Hi all,

The Intellibox sort of repaired itself.. BigGrin BigGrin .. thats what I call german Ingenuity !! BigGrin BigGrin

That fixed, Im planning to do mayor things this summer on te scenery. thats the part I really look forward to. Drool

Before that there are a few basics to do:
- complete catenary
- fix bugs (read prevent derailments or unwanted stops or pantograph killing objects)
- connect switches main level
- complete the lissy sensors
- programm RocRail

This weekend I set off to install the missing Lissy sensors. I use the Uhlenbroch Lissy system to identify track occupation instead of the S88. The Lissy sender under a train transmits his unique signal by infrared to the sensors. You can then programme the sensor to do specific things, in this case give track occupancey and transmit the train position to RocRail.

I bought 4 extra Lissy receivers.

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Each receiver includes the receiver unit, 2 sensors and a loconet cable.

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One can use 1 or 2 sensors to identifty track occupation. If you want to stop the train exactly where you need oit to stop (signal) you use 2. In this case thats what I want. we start with drilling two 3 mm holes for both sensors in the centre of the track between the sleepers.

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Hole is drilled, so we can put in a sensor!

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Its hardly visable.

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With the sensors fitted, its time to have a look at the receiver unit.

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We position it under the table and connect both sensors.

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Time for the last step: plug in the loconet cable and conect it to the central station.

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Next time I'll connect them to RocRail.

Hope you found this interesting. The Uhlenbrock Lissy system is not very widespread, therefore i thought it might be interesting to show this.

Rinus

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Offline river6109  
#346 Posted : 10 May 2013 00:06:38(UTC)
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Rinus,

good news with your intellibox, I hate things like this when they happen because it kind of interrupts everything.


one of these days I'll start with an automatic recognition systems: track occupation but I haven't decided yet which system I'll use.

John
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Offline Rinus  
#347 Posted : 11 May 2013 09:50:10(UTC)
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Some railcleaning was done today!

A Marklin Re 4/4 pulling a Lux rail polisher + vacuumcleaner + centre rail cleaner





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Offline utkan  
#348 Posted : 11 May 2013 19:48:31(UTC)
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Great work you have done so far,Rinus....ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
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Offline Rinus  
#349 Posted : 19 May 2013 08:25:53(UTC)
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Hi guys!

Need your help on this one. I'm looking for a station building kit that is similar too the prototype 'Steinach am Brenner' in Austria.

Steinach am Brenner

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Ive got three contenders sofar, but happy to hear more!


# 1 Kibri 39504 Bahnhof Langenthal

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# 2 Faller 110123 Bahnhof Warthausen

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# 3 Auhagen Bahnhof Plottenstein

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# 4 your suggestion ...

Which looks most similar?

Rinus
Offline pab  
#350 Posted : 21 May 2013 10:38:59(UTC)
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Maybe you should have a look at the stations 3520 and 3451 made by

Vollmer.

Offline BrandonVA  
#351 Posted : 24 May 2013 19:00:47(UTC)
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In some ways I think the Vollmer 3520 is very good, but it has a lot of extra details compared to the prototype (especially on the roof). Structurally I think #3 is best, but you will need a decent amount of modification to there...

-Brandon
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Offline river6109  
#352 Posted : 09 June 2013 09:55:18(UTC)
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Here is a video from the Station Stainach in Tirol, it may give you more ideas what the Station is all about and the surrounding buildings


another video about freight trains on the Brennerbahn

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Offline Rinus  
#353 Posted : 09 June 2013 19:06:54(UTC)
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Many thanks john!

I asked Krois if they could build the station for me with their lasercut machine, however they needed a scaled drawing ...Mellow

At the moment Im dealing with the lissy sensors and Rocrail. Hope to post some more inspiring pictures next week.

Rinus
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#354 Posted : 29 July 2013 20:28:25(UTC)
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Hello gentlemen!

Its been a while since my last post ... time for a update!

I've been working on several things last month. In this post I'll concentrate on RocRail and Uhlenbrock. I also did some things on the landscape, servo's as switch motors, cabling etc..., but I'll post that later.

Plan is to go fully automatic and let the computer steer my lay-out. For that I'll use the free Rocrail software (LINK to RocRail page). I installed it on my old PC and link that with my Uhlenbrock Intellibox 2 and/or my old Intellibox IR. As mentioned earlier I'll use the Uhlenbrock Lissy system as sensors. Since I got quite a few from a previous experiment, I found them too expensive not to use them.

Making an initial track plan and runing the trains by PC is very easy as it turned out. Operating the switches was a bit more difficult (adresses, port, bus etc.. instead of motorola adress) but once you get the principle not very difficult either. More difficult was connecting the Lissy receivers as sensors to RocRail. There is not much information to be found on this particular theme. RocRail is in fact one of the very few programms that allow Lissy sensors to be used as sensors at all. However since most use the S88 wit track occupance as a sensor, information in the use of the Lissy system leaves much to whish for. With the help of the rocrail forum I succeeded and all sensors (around 50 Blushing Blushing) work fine in cooperation with RocRail.

With the help of the RocRail forum and especially fabrice (many thanks my friend!! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp ) I was able to improve my inital plan and proceed to fully automatic mode. Im now nearly there. I just need to install 5 switch servo's to the switches on the Steinach am Brenner level and update the trackplan before I can procede to the last step.

Here is the RocRail synopsisof my trackplan as it is now, split out in three levels: Steinach am Brenner (main) and two hidden yards (Innsbruck and Brenner).

Steinach am Brenner

Brenner

Innsbrück


Hope you enjoy! If you have questions, please ask.

Rinus


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Offline French_Fabrice  
#355 Posted : 29 July 2013 20:55:57(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,
I'm really glad you've succeeded in setting up Rocrail.ThumpUp

...Now I'm waiting for some videos of automatic traffic on your wonderful layout.Woot

All the best
Fabrice
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#356 Posted : 29 July 2013 20:56:23(UTC)
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This sounds fabulous Rinus... Woot Great work! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
I look forward to seeing a video of this in operation Wink
Do you have any posts images of how you installed the sensors?


btw I have looked at your photos of the Sommerfeldt cat system in the previous posts many times...
... I have boxes of cat posts and copper Sommerfeldt cat lines that I picked up in a lot deal some time ago,
and your posts remind me that I have yet to figure it all out and install it...
Are your wires copper? Did or will you weather or paint the cat wires?
I am not happy with the shinny copper look and was wondering what the best approach to "aging" the wires would be,
although no doubt the conductivity of the copper would be great...

Thanks again,
Mark



Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hello gentlemen!

Its been a while since my last post ... time for a update!

I've been working on several things last month. In this post I'll concentrate on RocRail and Uhlenbrock. I also did some things on the landscape, servo's as switch motors, cabling etc..., but I'll post that later.

Plan is to go fully automatic and let the computer steer my lay-out. .......

Making an initial track plan and runing the trains by PC is very easy as it turned out. .......

Here is the RocRail synopsisof my trackplan as it is now, split out in three levels: Steinach am Brenner (main) and two hidden yards (Innsbruck and Brenner).




Interested in history of DB, DR and FS from about 1955 to 1965
Fan of signals and catenary; stations and yards. Is there anything else?

Offline river6109  
#357 Posted : 30 July 2013 04:53:08(UTC)
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Rinus,

you are well ahead of me when it comes to computer control, I'm still debating what system to use (PC) but using the ECoS should get me there slowly..
the problem I've got is most of the wiring was set up for the motorola system although the ECoS can except some of the motorola components its not compatible with signal modules. I'm still at a crossroad what to do.
another problem I've found, as all signal modules run on DC pulse, programming locos under the DC decoder addresses it interferes with the braking delay, what this means is I can't program any decoder above 255, so it has to be within the motorola protocol , well this is what I found out so far and I'm not 100% sure this is the reason.

waiting to see an update of the layout

regards.,

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Offline utkan  
#358 Posted : 30 July 2013 06:39:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hello gentlemen!

Plan is to go fully automatic and let the computer steer my lay-out.
Rinus




Hi Rinus,

Your plan looks amazingly beautiful....ThumpUp ThumpUp

Cheers,

mehmet

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Offline Rinus  
#359 Posted : 30 July 2013 10:24:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus,
I'm really glad you've succeeded in setting up Rocrail.ThumpUp

...Now I'm waiting for some videos of automatic traffic on your wonderful layout.Woot

All the best
Fabrice



Me too. I'll start working on the remaining switches and hope to step up to automatic this weekend.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#360 Posted : 30 July 2013 10:39:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
This sounds fabulous Rinus... Woot Great work! ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
I look forward to seeing a video of this in operation Wink
Do you have any posts images of how you installed the sensors?


btw I have looked at your photos of the Sommerfeldt cat system in the previous posts many times...
... I have boxes of cat posts and copper Sommerfeldt cat lines that I picked up in a lot deal some time ago,
and your posts remind me that I have yet to figure it all out and install it...
Are your wires copper? Did or will you weather or paint the cat wires?
I am not happy with the shinny copper look and was wondering what the best approach to "aging" the wires would be,
although no doubt the conductivity of the copper would be great...

Thanks again,
Mark


Hi Mark!

@ Sensors

This is the Lissy receiver as it is installed under the table. The black wire connects it to Loconet and the Intellibox.
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The sensors (you can connect two sensors to one receiver)

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This is what remains visible in the track

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@ copper wires.

I agree they do not look that good out of the box and need some weathering. I used the airbrush to spray the masts in concrete, which went well. The wires are more difficult. The sommerfeld paint does not work well on them. The paint when aplied directly to the wire, simply runs off the wire again. I plan to provide the wires with a base primer first and then provide a top layer of grey or copper green. I'll do that by hand.

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Offline Rinus  
#361 Posted : 30 July 2013 10:57:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

you are well ahead of me when it comes to computer control, I'm still debating what system to use (PC) but using the ECoS should get me there slowly..
the problem I've got is most of the wiring was set up for the motorola system although the ECoS can except some of the motorola components its not compatible with signal modules. I'm still at a crossroad what to do.
another problem I've found, as all signal modules run on DC pulse, programming locos under the DC decoder addresses it interferes with the braking delay, what this means is I can't program any decoder above 255, so it has to be within the motorola protocol , well this is what I found out so far and I'm not 100% sure this is the reason.

waiting to see an update of the layout

regards.,

John


Hi John,

At first I was a bit hesitant to computer control myself. Mainly because im far from an ICT wizzard and secondly because I allready have to work with PC's at work.

Therefore I experimented with the Uhlenbrock Lissy system for automatic train control. It proved not to be a succes. Simple block control goes well, which inspired me to buy more modules. But when advancing to the control of stations and hidden yards it got more difficult. And when combining multiple stations it went hopelesly wrong. What was not helping either was that the support from Uhlenbrock was not-existing as usual (must be the fim with the worst support desk ever Cursing Cursing ) and litte could be found on forums. Only Lars from this forum provided me with some hints. Nevertheless after realising that the pure Lissy system was not going to bring me any further I decided to try some software.

There are a lot of programms on the market. I tried 'Koploper', Win Digipet and RocRail.

Only RocRail supported the use of Lissy sensors. Its also a free programme and there is a huge community which, with the Uhlenbrock Lissy failure in mind, I found reasuring. Also on this forum there are quite some users.

You are very right however to check compatibility of all your items with the software first.

Rinus

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Offline Danlake  
#362 Posted : 30 July 2013 11:26:37(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great job on installing the sensors. Excellent ballast and you hardly notice them.

Can't wait to see some videos from your layout with trains running automatic.

PC control is fun!

Brgds - Lasse
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Offline Mark5  
#363 Posted : 30 July 2013 16:09:26(UTC)
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Great job with the sensors, they are hardly noticeable ThumpUp ... and certainly look easy enough to install...

wrt copper cat wires... Keep me posted on that... I was wondering if thin spray paint might work best.
Can you apply it thin enough by hand-painting ?

Also curious... Is your system electrified? I plan to keep mine electrified so I might put some tape on the bottom just thin enough before painting so I have some bare wire for the panto to make contact.

With all that great work, I am hoping you are not a man who rides with his pantos down??? Scared

(Meanwhile I am still working with the girls on the portable 3'x5' Madchenbahn all with old M track and M cat.)

Thanks again,
Mark

Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post

[...]
Do you have any posts images of how you installed the sensors?
[...]
Are your wires copper? Did or will you weather or paint the cat wires?
I am not happy with the shinny copper look and was wondering what the best approach to "aging" the wires would be,
although no doubt the conductivity of the copper would be great...

[...]


@ Sensors
This is the Lissy receiver as it is installed under the table. The black wire connects it to Loconet and the Intellibox.
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The sensors (you can connect two sensors to one receiver)
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This is what remains visible in the track
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@ copper wires.

I agree they do not look that good out of the box and need some weathering. I used the airbrush to spray the masts in concrete, which went well. The wires are more difficult. The sommerfeld paint does not work well on them. The paint when aplied directly to the wire, simply runs off the wire again. I plan to provide the wires with a base primer first and then provide a top layer of grey or copper green. I'll do that by hand.

Rinus
Interested in history of DB, DR and FS from about 1955 to 1965
Fan of signals and catenary; stations and yards. Is there anything else?

Offline Rinus  
#364 Posted : 01 August 2013 22:30:19(UTC)
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Hi Mark,

No I intend to drive with pantos up. And I allready wrecked 5 in the process during the testing .... Crying . Especially the changeovers in the helix need some smoothening.

However. My catenary is not used for providing current. I know John does use his catenary for this. I'll keep you posted about the weathering.

Rinus
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#365 Posted : 01 August 2013 22:49:29(UTC)
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Hi guys!

Some preliminary results of the landscaping I did.

Part of the lay-out still needed some basic landscaping. As a start I made a strong base of mesh-wire and paper cloth. I also put in some plaster rocks made with rock moulds.

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After the base had dried I set to work with paper maché again one week ago. Right now it is still in the process of drying and I think I need another 10 days to dry completely. The darker spots in the picture are allready dry. when its dry the combination of mesh-wire/plaster cloth and paper maché becomes a very strong and yet light base.

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Besides this I also set to work on another section. I plan to make a smal bridge at the entrance of a tunnel crossing a river. With the help of a rubber mould ((LINK) I made two arches from plaster. To be honnest I made a lot more but several broke in the proces of making them fit in place Mad. Nevertheless somehow I succeeded and i got one in place in one part!

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Unfortunately I broke all other examples and lost the mould somewhere so I ordered a new one and have to wait for that to complete the bridge... Blushing

Regards,

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Offline Rinus  
#366 Posted : 01 August 2013 22:58:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Danlake Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus,

Great job on installing the sensors. Excellent ballast and you hardly notice them.

Can't wait to see some videos from your layout with trains running automatic.

PC control is fun!

Brgds - Lasse


Looking forward to it too.

I connected the remaing three switches yesterday (with servo's - really cool - I'll post that tomorrow) and confgured them succesfully in RocRail.

During the testing of the other switches however I found out that I Viessmann 5211 decoder had lost all function. I do have some spare capacity but loosing one decoder / 4 switches is quite a lot. I'll have to find a solution because all switches have to work perfectly.

Really irritating. These viessmann decoders seem to burn up easily. Perhaps it was an old one, but others have bad defect connections too. Eventhough I had put a power module in the middle to prevent this. Confused Confused Confused

I'm thinking to use Uhlenbrock switch decoders instead. What kind of switch decoders do you prefer?

Rinus
Offline river6109  
#367 Posted : 02 August 2013 02:45:42(UTC)
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Rinus,

looking at the overhead system, I think you over using the masts, it looks like the right distance between masts in curves but when you come onto a straight line, unless the photo is shortening the track on straight tracks you can, I think I've mentioned it before go as far as 500 mm and this can also be used when you have 3 turnouts as per picture, I don't think your masts are in the right positions but it may be too late to alter it.
it took me years to understand it how it all suppose to work because we never had an electrified railway here in Perth.
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Offline Rinus  
#368 Posted : 18 August 2013 14:06:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

looking at the overhead system, I think you over using the masts, it looks like the right distance between masts in curves but when you come onto a straight line, unless the photo is shortening the track on straight tracks you can, I think I've mentioned it before go as far as 500 mm and this can also be used when you have 3 turnouts as per picture, I don't think your masts are in the right positions but it may be too late to alter it.
it took me years to understand it how it all suppose to work because we never had an electrified railway here in Perth.


Hi John,

I used the 500 mm set-up. Only in cass there is a switch I used extra masts. I followed the Somerfeldt guide here.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#369 Posted : 18 August 2013 14:24:40(UTC)
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Hi all!,

Last weeks I've been working on my switches on the upper level. I wanted to work with servo controled switches.

Not only does a slow moving switch, look more realistic tahn the instant change of the Marklin swith solenoid, also they are said to be more reliable.

Therefore i set to work.

Ingredients:
Uhlenbrock Servo control for 4 servo's LINK
Uhlenbrock Standard Servo LINK

And of course a 'guide how to' HOW TO USE SERVO'S WITH K-TRACK

These are the results!

I place some above the table in the not visible parts and some under the table in the other places.

Of course I'll do some work to make them look better. I've got some 1/87 switch motors whick i want to put on. Since they are very delicate'I'll wait with that untill I've finished the scenery.

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Offline Goofy  
#370 Posted : 18 August 2013 14:46:42(UTC)
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Very nice layout!
And video with servo motor.
You should try with an Tortoise motor.
Sincerely
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Offline Mark5  
#371 Posted : 19 August 2013 21:18:21(UTC)
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Servos looking and moving wonderfully Rinus.

Wondering if the noise is noticeable when trains running, or if your camera was just close and amplifying the sound.

Been thinking about Tortoises since they make very little sound but the ones you have move beautifully and are MUCH smaller!
Small is beautiful in the HO world, isnt it?

- Mark
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Offline river6109  
#372 Posted : 20 August 2013 10:16:49(UTC)
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Rinus,

Fully agree with you, at least I had the experiences and they are definitely not reliable and this is not acceptable, I've changed or will change all my solenoids with ESU servo motors (metal gears). most of my motors had been mounted underneath the board and over time the have ceased.

regards.,

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Offline Rinus  
#373 Posted : 20 August 2013 12:44:33(UTC)
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Hi all,

Camera was close indeed. However you'll hear the servo working. Personally I like it. Allthough ist a bit loud, its quite similar to the 87/1 prototype sound and much better than the clicking sound of the solenoids.

I was thinking about tortoises too. What kept me from buying them was 1. the price and 2. the (lack of) availability at webshops as Lokshop and Lippe.

The servo's are very cheap, even when you buy the more expensive ones. Mine where around 9 euro's each. I think the Toirtoises are bit more expensive, but I'm not sure. I also had a look at the Lux Modell swich motors. They are very expensive and quite large.


BTW: Does anyone know if its possible to buy spare hand mechanisms from Marklin?

Rinus
Offline river6109  
#374 Posted : 20 August 2013 15:16:18(UTC)
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Rinus. right here, I've got plenty.
send me an email

regards.,

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Offline Goofy  
#375 Posted : 20 August 2013 15:50:49(UTC)
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It´s very nice to see servo motor in action.
But i miss possible to control frog of the turnout for those who use 2 rail.
With tortoise motor you switch motor and polarity frog too at the same time.
Sincerely
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Offline Rinus  
#376 Posted : 21 August 2013 06:45:27(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
It´s very nice to see servo motor in action.
But i miss possible to control frog of the turnout for those who use 2 rail.
With tortoise motor you switch motor and polarity frog too at the same time.


I believe such a thing is possible when you use the Servodecoder 67810 from Uhlenbrock (LINK). However I've only read about it and have no practical experience with it. I myself use the cheaper and more basic 67800 Servodecoder, which has not got this particular function.

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#377 Posted : 21 August 2013 07:02:54(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Very nice work, and thanks for all the information. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#378 Posted : 16 September 2013 19:31:59(UTC)
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Hi all,

Been really busy with getting automated steering via Rocrail working. Its going quite nice now and yesterday evening I managed to get three trains running by PC at the same time. Drool

However I also started working on the scenery a bit. I constructed a wall out of plaster using moulds.

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I hope you enjoy!

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#379 Posted : 19 September 2013 16:38:56(UTC)
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I hope you enjoy!

Thanks for sharing Rinus!

Really nice 'bricks&stones'!

Regards,

Walter
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Offline BrandonVA  
#380 Posted : 19 September 2013 17:42:19(UTC)
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Rinus,

I really like your platform. How did you make that? Is it poured plaster?

-Brandon
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Offline Ian555  
#381 Posted : 20 September 2013 17:21:45(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great progress. ThumpUp

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Offline Goofy  
#382 Posted : 21 September 2013 04:48:36(UTC)
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Just keep on with nice work!! ThumpUp
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Offline river6109  
#383 Posted : 21 September 2013 05:00:29(UTC)
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Rinus,

this is first class, thanks for sharing
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Offline Rinus  
#384 Posted : 22 September 2013 19:27:12(UTC)
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Rinus,

I really like your platform. How did you make that? Is it poured plaster?

-Brandon


Yes poured plaster! I first made a frame out of wood and then added the platform sides. The sides are from Lasercut cardboard.

More info here http://www.lasercraft.at/produc...etails/?product=LC91-302 I see they also sell a complete platform set now.

Not sure how to finish the top side though.

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#385 Posted : 22 September 2013 19:35:15(UTC)
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Thanks for all the positive feedback! Not bad isn't it? in real its even better, however the room gets little light which makes it difficult to make a good picture.

And appologies for my sporadic posting lately. Bit busy at work Glare Mad .

Today I did some further testing with RocRail. More work then I thought, but its getting better and better. I've got quite a list of things to solve though ranging from dirty track, not functioning switches and a Lissy sensor that needs some attention.

Making thoughts about getting to work on the scenery fase, but how to get started? Smoothen everything with plaster and then paint in base colour?

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Offline BrandonVA  
#386 Posted : 23 September 2013 14:37:06(UTC)
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Not sure how to finish the top side though.

Rinus


Thanks Rinus, I may end up borrowing this idea. As far as finishing the top, I can't quiet tell the texture from the photos...but I think you could achieve it mostly with good painting. Since concrete and cement are relatively flat, I think paint can create the illusion here. Apologies if I misunderstood.

-Brandon

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#387 Posted : 23 September 2013 14:41:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post

Making thoughts about getting to work on the scenery fase, but how to get started? Smoothen everything with plaster and then paint in base colour?


This is how I have approached it in the past. You could leave some exposed wood if you really want a very flat surface, but in general I believe you should work out your rough landscape forms and cover them in plaster/plaster cloth. If you are doing plaster roads, or some kind that use a plaster type product, I would recommend finishing all of the plaster work before planting. This way you can finish sanding and clean up all your plaster dust before painting. After that you can have a couple of base coats for different kinds of area (say, some gray and some brown). I find that even in grassy areas a brown or tan base coat works much better than green.

-Brandon
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#388 Posted : 03 October 2013 19:37:53(UTC)
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Not sure how to finish the top side though.

Rinus


Thanks Rinus, I may end up borrowing this idea. As far as finishing the top, I can't quiet tell the texture from the photos...but I think you could achieve it mostly with good painting. Since concrete and cement are relatively flat, I think paint can create the illusion here. Apologies if I misunderstood.

-Brandon



Texture is paper maché and some plaster rocks. Think I just start painting the base layer then this weekend and see.

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#389 Posted : 06 October 2013 18:51:41(UTC)
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Hi all,

Started painting this weekend!

Applied the base colour and did some colouring to the rock surfaces with my woodland set.

Sorry for the shaky picture.

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Hope you enjoyed.

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#390 Posted : 20 October 2013 14:14:26(UTC)
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Hi guys,

I ordered a load of stuff to get goining with the scenery. Lots of Woodland grass, turf etc ... and also 2 ESU loksound decoders for my Rh 1020's. I hope Lokshop will ship it soon.

In the meantime I focussed on the tunnel entrance. I got to work with plaster rocks and paper maché. I finished the rocks with Woodland eaqrth colour. the paper maché is still drying and there fore not painted yet.

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Besides that I've been doing some trouble shooting. I noticed that in some occasions the switches where not operated. Pretty irritating when you relly on automated operation. I can tell you Rocrail does not like that Crying . At first it apperared I had made some mistakes in programming the Uhlenbrock universal decoder. But that did not solve the problem 100%. It looked as if there was not enough power to operate all switches in a rather short time. When I disconnected some levels from the power supply the problem seemed to be solved. Maybe 15 signals, 60 switches and 6 servo's were a bit too much fior one 72VA transformer...BigGrin BigGrin

I therefore ordered 2 extra transormers for additional power: one to supplement the current transformer for the switches and one to supply a booster for the helixes.


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#391 Posted : 20 October 2013 15:22:13(UTC)
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This is probably so, Rinus. I still operate my points, signals, and uncoupler tracks via analog.

I use 3x 30va trafos for these 66 accessories. Peter Cool

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#392 Posted : 21 October 2013 00:31:03(UTC)
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Rinus,

this sounds a bit strange but you know what you've experienced. usually turnouts are not switched at the same time rather in sequences, signals have led's these days and 6 servos, again the are not running at the same time.
you may look at Rocrail and see if they can help you further or the universal decoders from Uhlenbrock ?
I don't know how your whole setup works but I have separated all signals, turnouts etc etc. from my command station but of course I don't have any feedback and you've mentioned a 72 VA transformer.
I have a 3 x 50 VA transformer and have numerous turnouts and signal modules and I haven't had any trouble with them but as I said I don't run a computer program to control them or operate them through this program.
my layout configuration may have 4 turnouts switching at the same time and I have approx. 6 locos/trains running at the same time with interior lights.

When you say 60 switches,what do mean by that, are they turnouts ?

I hope you can sort it out.

by the way your rock formation starting to look good. ThumpUp

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#393 Posted : 21 October 2013 17:32:53(UTC)
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This is probably so, Rinus. I still operate my points, signals, and uncoupler tracks via analog.

I use 3x 30va trafos for these 66 accessories. Peter Cool



You macho man ... ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp
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#394 Posted : 21 October 2013 17:44:45(UTC)
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Rinus,

this sounds a bit strange but you know what you've experienced. usually turnouts are not switched at the same time rather in sequences, signals have led's these days and 6 servos, again the are not running at the same time.
you may look at Rocrail and see if they can help you further or the universal decoders from Uhlenbrock ?
I don't know how your whole setup works but I have separated all signals, turnouts etc etc. from my command station but of course I don't have any feedback and you've mentioned a 72 VA transformer.
I have a 3 x 50 VA transformer and have numerous turnouts and signal modules and I haven't had any trouble with them but as I said I don't run a computer program to control them or operate them through this program.
my layout configuration may have 4 turnouts switching at the same time and I have approx. 6 locos/trains running at the same time with interior lights.

When you say 60 switches,what do mean by that, are they turnouts ?

I hope you can sort it out.

by the way your rock formation starting to look good. ThumpUp

regards.,

John


See what you mean John,

When every turn-out is switched seperately and at a certain interval, 72VA should be enough. Nevertheles I experienced that when trying to switch several turn-outs one after another in a quick pace it seemed to exhaust the supply of power. The turnouts did not switch or very reluctantly. When I detached level 1 and 2 and supplied power only to level 3 this did not happen. Also the Marklin solenoid turnout motors then made a much more distinctive and powerfull clicking sound.

Also I noticed that with everything attached to the transformer, it became a bit warm.

My power set up is now as follows:

Trains
1st level powered by 72 VA over the IB2
2nd level powered by 72 VA over Booster
3rd level powered by 72 VA over Booster

Turnouts/switches/servo's
All powered by one 72VA transformer

My plan is to upgrade the supply to the switches with a second 72VA transformer and supply the trains with a extra booster/72VA transformer.

BTW in my previous post: with switches I meant turnouts. Thought it was the same.

Regards,

Rinus
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#395 Posted : 23 October 2013 08:57:43(UTC)
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this is a lot of VA you are using, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with it but my setup with my ECoS is I run 30 trains in frequencies with interior lights in all my passenger cars.
my set up at the moment is:, track and overhead = 50 VA, lights = 50 VA and switches (turnouts) signal modules = 50 VA, you are using k-track ain't you ?, all my turnout lights are powered via the light transformer.
One thing you can look at what Amp's you are using for your turnouts.

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#396 Posted : 23 October 2013 12:15:33(UTC)
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Hi Rinus!
Sounds a little strange to me too that when youfire them in sequence, you still do not have a reliable operation.
Have you tried to:
1° fire all the solenoïds in sequence? (I gather yes..?)
2° increase the length of the individual pulses (you have not made any mention of that...)
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#397 Posted : 20 November 2013 11:32:51(UTC)
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Hi all,

Finally received my shipment from Lokshop this weekend!

Included where the two additional 70VA transformers, two Lissy receivers and two ESU Loksound dekoders for my Rh 1020.

Installed the transformers inmediately. I now have a 6 x 70 VA Powepack Cool Cool Cool, which make a nice sound when activated.

I'll post a pic this evening. Unfortunately one Lissy receiver proved defect. It could not be programmed and I had to return it. A pitty because I need it as a sensor in my automated running mode.

Apart from the technical stuff I alo received the scenery stuff from woodland: various turf and grass items where ordered. Unfortunately not all turf was delivered and I think I will buy a Noch Grassmaster before I start applieing the grass and turf.

In all not Lokshops best performance sofar: long delivery time, defect item and incomplete delivery. Hopefully they make up for it in returning the defect item quickly.

Rinus

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#398 Posted : 20 November 2013 11:51:37(UTC)
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Rinus, yes this is always annoying when you wait for stuff, you order it and than expect it to arrive, earlier in the year I has a parcel being returned and this took the whole [process than about almost 6 month, not a good plan when you try to finish your layout.

What type of motors do you use for your turnouts ?
I'm in the process of changing all my Märklin home made signal modules for ESU detectors and point motors for ESU Servo motors.

I'll be buying a booster in due course when I get them all connected and I like to have my signals and servo motors separately powered from the track power, the reason for it is if there is short on the track it will only turn off the track power and I still will be able to switch my servo motors or detection modules.

looking forward for some more pictures, keep up the good work

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#399 Posted : 25 November 2013 20:47:46(UTC)
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Hi John,

Same for me. I order in relative large quantities, since I was planning to do major work on the scenery, fix the issue with the power supply and solve some issues on the block control. Now I was only able to work on the power supply because the other items where only partly delivered or defect … which is a bit annoying after such a long wait.

Concerning the motors! Now that is interesting. I use the standard Uhlenbrock servo’s now, which are only 9 euro’s a piece. Before I experimented with several others. I tried the precise uhlenbrock decoder, but found that too expensive. The ESU servo is nice as well, but gave issues with my Uhlenbrock 67800 Servodecoder. Make sure that whatever servo decoder you buy, it has a option to shut the power of when not operating. This will save you from power drain and the continuous resetting noise of the servo.

I also use the Marklin solenoids too to power my turnouts, but when one goes defect I change it with a servo.

More pictures will follow, when I start working on the scenery.

BTW: a Jägerndorfer Rh 4020 is coming for X-mass!

Rinus
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#400 Posted : 05 December 2013 20:39:44(UTC)
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Hi all,

What do you think of this?

Check my soleniods Marklin 75491 and found four of the fried up!!! Four x 18,00 euro's

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I just can't understand that a compagny that builts such technical advanced modeltrains, can't solve quility issues on a simple solenoid or at least sell them for a price that equals its quality which is not the rediculous 18 euro a piece Flapper Flapper Flapper

Think I'm also gonna change my switches in the hidden yards tot servo powered ones.


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