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Offline petestra  
#401 Posted : 05 December 2013 21:33:16(UTC)
petestra

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Hi Rinus, that's awful. I wonder what would happen if you sent them back to Märklin

with a letter reading "thanks for nothing"? Maybe they would replace them for you?

I sent them 3x analogue gray Trafos that were defective and they sent me 3 new ones.

Hey, who knows? It's worth a try and those motors are a-lot lighter than my 3 Trafos

were. Something to think about. After all they do want to keep their customers happy.


Cheers,Peter Cool
Offline Hoffmann  
#402 Posted : 06 December 2013 02:15:23(UTC)
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HI,

I do agree Marklin needs to improve their Turnout Motors. What struck me is that on yours always the same side is burnt out ( coincidence ? ).

I have seen a lot of C-Track turnout Motors go bad but not K-Track. It would not hurt to send these back to Marklin for warranty replacement.

Martin
marklin-eh
Offline river6109  
#403 Posted : 06 December 2013 04:06:21(UTC)
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I had the same problem with the earlier versions, the soldering had overlapped what suppose to be 2 different circuits with other words the power was never shut off.
I would send them back and than they can see the stuff up they've made when they produced them.

at the same time I had 225 turnouts (single and double and the tongues had been spot soldered with a tiny pin at the end, showed them a photo and they did change the design, the only problem was when they returned the new ones they send me the new designed ones back and of course they were not compatible.

What really annoyed me, we had a public exhibition in 1984 with TV, Radio and public advertising and a set opening day, when we connected it all (digital system) there was a short and we couldn't find it, going through all the wiring, separating every module and it took us until 3 am in the morning the find the fault, my son noticed the broken tongue of a double switch which lay half mounted across the track, a lot of joy but I tell you I was very angry.

regards.,

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Offline Rinus  
#404 Posted : 06 December 2013 10:35:50(UTC)
Rinus


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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus, that's awful. I wonder what would happen if you sent them back to Märklin

with a letter reading "thanks for nothing"? Maybe they would replace them for you?

I sent them 3x analogue gray Trafos that were defective and they sent me 3 new ones.

Hey, who knows? It's worth a try and those motors are a-lot lighter than my 3 Trafos

were. Something to think about. After all they do want to keep their customers happy.


Cheers,Peter Cool


Good idea! i was thinking about sending them to Lokshop, but i only found a receipt for two, but this seems even better.

What adress did you used?

Rinus
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Offline Rinus  
#405 Posted : 06 December 2013 10:38:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
I had the same problem with the earlier versions, the soldering had overlapped what suppose to be 2 different circuits with other words the power was never shut off.
I would send them back and than they can see the stuff up they've made when they produced them.

at the same time I had 225 turnouts (single and double and the tongues had been spot soldered with a tiny pin at the end, showed them a photo and they did change the design, the only problem was when they returned the new ones they send me the new designed ones back and of course they were not compatible.

What really annoyed me, we had a public exhibition in 1984 with TV, Radio and public advertising and a set opening day, when we connected it all (digital system) there was a short and we couldn't find it, going through all the wiring, separating every module and it took us until 3 am in the morning the find the fault, my son noticed the broken tongue of a double switch which lay half mounted across the track, a lot of joy but I tell you I was very angry.

regards.,

John


I can understand that feeling John! My first thought in cases like this is allways: why didn't I kept it more simple ...

Definately gonna send them back. still think I'll replace them with servo's though.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#406 Posted : 06 December 2013 11:03:28(UTC)
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HI,

I do agree Marklin needs to improve their Turnout Motors. What struck me is that on yours always the same side is burnt out ( coincidence ? ).

I have seen a lot of C-Track turnout Motors go bad but not K-Track. It would not hurt to send these back to Marklin for warranty replacement.

Martin


I found that supprising too. Opened up you see there also is some damage on the other side, but not that much.

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Will check the other switches too today. May find more.

Rinus
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Offline petestra  
#407 Posted : 06 December 2013 12:09:05(UTC)
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Hi Rinus, I bought the Trafos at Lokshop. They told me to send them directly to

Märklin with a copy of the original invoice. Let us know how it goes for you.

Cheers, Peter ThumpUp


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Offline BrandonVA  
#408 Posted : 06 December 2013 14:49:07(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post


I found that supprising too. Opened up you see there also is some damage on the other side, but not that much.



To beat a dead horse...I have found the newer the turnout motor, the less reliable it seems. I have K track turnouts from the 80s with the integrated motor...they all still work. Then I have some I bought in the 90s with a removable motor (I think Marklin 7549)...the motor had a different profile, it was mostly just a rectangle, the manual switch protrudes further, but these too have stood up over time. Anything I have bought in the last 3 years has been much less reliable (3 years since I started buying track for my new layout). The motors I have like yours often require me to open then, spray a bit of electrical contract cleaner inside, and then wait a bit and they come back to life. I have a couple that just stopped working. However, none of them have melted as yours have. When you open then you can see the solder is pretty close, so I can imagine them shorting out as John says very easily. A couple I have carefully re-soldered, but this shouldn't be necessary. For me (and probably you), it's hard to justify spending on shipping to get a couple of turnout motors. Next time I order any Marklin I an going to order some spares...I know sooner or later one will fail.

I think with yours, it's pretty obvious there is a manufacturing defect..they have all failed in the exact same way! I am sorry to hear of your troubles.

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Offline petestra  
#409 Posted : 06 December 2013 15:11:18(UTC)
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Good idea, Brandon. I should get some C track spares too. You never know. Of course,

my old M track switches still work great and they are from the 60s, 70s and 80s.

Cheers, Peter BigGrin ThumpUp
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Offline Goofy  
#410 Posted : 08 December 2013 10:24:21(UTC)
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Hello Rinus!
I too shall start to build a new layout with K tracks.
I use Tortoise motor to control K turnouts.
It´s bad luck with Marklins own motor,but i know they did changed the problem to a new turnout motor third generation.
Of course you can use servo motor too.
Sincerely
Anders

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Offline Rinus  
#411 Posted : 10 December 2013 16:18:01(UTC)
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Hi Guys,

Luckily no more solenoids where found defect, allthough two others are allready showings signs of a burn-out (difficult to get them in one cetrain position).

Contacted the dutch agent. Got a very generic reply in which they told me to ship them to Göppingen. So I will do next weekend. I hope I got all receipts ...

I'll also order 8 servo's so I can begin converting during the christmas holidays BigGrin However it will not be easy to install a servo or tortoise switch mechanism as most turn-outs are prety hard to reach.

Rinus



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Offline river6109  
#412 Posted : 11 December 2013 10:01:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hi Guys,

Luckily no more solenoids where found defect, allthough two others are allready showings signs of a burn-out (difficult to get them in one cetrain position).

Contacted the dutch agent. Got a very generic reply in which they told me to ship them to Göppingen. So I will do next weekend. I hope I got all receipts ...

I'll also order 8 servo's so I can begin converting during the christmas holidays BigGrin However it will not be easy to install a servo or tortoise switch mechanism as most turn-outs are prety hard to reach.

Rinus





Rinus,

I bought ESU servo motors and I had about 6 turnouts which I was able to drill the hole but didn't have all the motors at the time.

What I did is glued them on with hot glue but to my horror they fell off the other day and to get to them or remount them wasn't easy but I did manage to glue them back on again by using the holes intended for the screws and placed a dot of glue over the holes and there was room in the middle as well, the important part was to get them in position as quickly as possible before the glue starts setting. they also had be pressed right against the plywood so the extension rod was long enough to reach the hole of the lever.

I also have more problems with adding new servo motors to my turnouts, its not the access this time but the room to get a drill into, to drill the hole.

John
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Offline Rinus  
#413 Posted : 17 December 2013 21:34:00(UTC)
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Had some fun at the lay-out this weekend with a few double traction trains.

Here is the EU43 tandem.



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Offline Rinus  
#414 Posted : 18 December 2013 21:20:37(UTC)
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Another one featuring a double Rh 1020!


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Offline Rinus  
#415 Posted : 25 December 2013 11:31:29(UTC)
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Hi all!

This friday the scenery stuff arrived: Noch grassmaster, loads of Woordland and Noch grass, foliage and turf.

Started right away and here are some preliminary results!

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Regards,

Rinus
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Offline petestra  
#416 Posted : 25 December 2013 13:40:27(UTC)
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Hi Rinus and happy holidays. I can just picture myself as a young lad again running over

those hills with my dog. It looks great! Peter ThumpUp Smile
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Offline Rinus  
#417 Posted : 25 December 2013 23:43:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus and happy holidays. I can just picture myself as a young lad again running over

those hills with my dog. It looks great! Peter ThumpUp Smile


Yup it doenst look too bad and its not even that difficult to do. However I made some small mistakes in some area's. the grass is to thin in some area's and now the paint basecoat shines though (glue mixture was not optimal). Best is to make a baselayer with turf instead of paint and then add grass. At least thats what I think now with some days experience Cool . I'll add trees to make a small forrest later on.

Actually we were just wondering how our cat will appreciate this.BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

She loves to sleep on the lay-out but she is very picky. However the grass is quite soft, so I hope she likes this.

Rinus
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Offline BrandonVA  
#418 Posted : 27 December 2013 02:47:16(UTC)
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Its funny how with a layout we do so much work, but you really see the biggest change when you do this step. Great work. You can always use a few items (bushes, rocks, etc) to patch any imperfections.

-Brandon
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Offline Danlake  
#419 Posted : 27 December 2013 03:59:22(UTC)
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Looks excellent Rinus,
The layout is really coming together. We'll done!
Brgds Lasse
Digital 8m2 layout / C (M&K) tracks / Era IV / CS2 60214 / Train Controller Gold
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Offline Martin T  
#420 Posted : 27 December 2013 13:14:16(UTC)
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Wow! Smile
Very nice work with the landscaping Rinus. ThumpUp
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Offline Rinus  
#421 Posted : 02 February 2014 19:42:03(UTC)
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Thanks for the support!

Did some work on re-wiring some parts of the lay-out this week. this weekend I continued with the scenery!

I made a base layer with woodland fine turf.

Tunnel exit

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Station section

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Unfortunally some dammage was done too. i found out I used to much glue. This caused the paper mache to detach from the plaster wall and mesh wire. Confused

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Offline Rinus  
#422 Posted : 07 February 2014 11:58:15(UTC)
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New visitor!

A Rh 1110.5 with sound from Roco right out of the box, so no details attached yet.

Her sister a Rh 1110 is on its way to make it a nice double traction. Drool

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Offline BrandonVA  
#423 Posted : 07 February 2014 15:04:34(UTC)
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Rinus,

Very nice loco. Did you find a way to repair the damage done where your plaster separated from the stone wall?

-Brandon
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Offline PJMärklin  
#424 Posted : 08 February 2014 06:26:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the support!

Did some work on re-wiring some parts of the lay-out this week. this weekend I continued with the scenery!

I made a base layer with woodland fine turf.

Tunnel exit

UserPostedImage

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Station section

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Unfortunally some dammage was done too. i found out I used to much glue. This caused the paper mache to detach from the plaster wall and mesh wire. Confused

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Rinus



Hello Rinus,

Very nice tunnel blending into the cliff face!

Regards,

PJ
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Offline river6109  
#425 Posted : 08 February 2014 08:06:41(UTC)
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I should concentrate more on members posting their layout progress than taking part in endless and pointless discussions.

excellent scenery work there Rinus and I'm disappointed with Roco since they've changed the decoders from ESU to Zimo, although there is nothing wrong with Zimo sound decoders but to program them I would say one would be restricted using a lokprogrammer.

please let us know if you can program these decoders to your own likings and if so I may purchase a few Zimo decoders on their own because I think there is another loco (Rh 1043) they produce.

John
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Offline river6109  
#426 Posted : 10 February 2014 09:43:18(UTC)
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Austrian Railways Rollende Landstraße accident (Brenner), 3 people injured

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Offline river6109  
#427 Posted : 11 February 2014 08:04:48(UTC)
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New visitor!

A Rh 1110.5 with sound from Roco right out of the box, so no details attached yet.

Her sister a Rh 1110 is on its way to make it a nice double traction. Drool

UserPostedImage

Rinus


Rinus,

any cat. number ? I only could find them in DC and the latest one (2014) is in green (AC) got it 78366 and 367

John
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Offline Martin T  
#428 Posted : 11 February 2014 18:16:25(UTC)
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Your scenary is coming along very nicely!
ThumpUp

I love the stone walls you got there. Looks very nice!
Love
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Offline Rinus  
#429 Posted : 12 February 2014 09:59:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
New visitor!

A Rh 1110.5 with sound from Roco right out of the box, so no details attached yet.

Her sister a Rh 1110 is on its way to make it a nice double traction. Drool

UserPostedImage

Rinus


Rinus,

any cat. number ? I only could find them in DC and the latest one (2014) is in green (AC) got it 78366 and 367

John


Yup

Cat. number

Its a reworked version of their older moulds.

Review will follow soon.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#430 Posted : 12 February 2014 10:01:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Austrian Railways Rollende Landstraße accident (Brenner), 3 people injured

http://tirol.orf.at/news/stories/2630135/


So I heard at work today. amazing that something like this can happen.

not the first time hwoever. Last year a worktrain wondered off during constructions on the line and derailed in a curve.

rinus
Offline Rinus  
#431 Posted : 01 March 2014 14:13:42(UTC)
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Have been reworking the electric wiring. Old one was a mess. Now I used 1.5 mm2 instead of 0.14 mm2.

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Next time: more scenery...

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Offline river6109  
#432 Posted : 02 March 2014 05:32:04(UTC)
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Rinus,

it looks like there isn't much room to move about, at first I thought this is a board but than looking at the other photos its the mat on the floor, so it could be quite comfortable to lie back and fix the wiring.

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Offline Rinus  
#433 Posted : 23 March 2014 09:54:58(UTC)
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Rinus,

it looks like there isn't much room to move about, at first I thought this is a board but than looking at the other photos its the mat on the floor, so it could be quite comfortable to lie back and fix the wiring.

John


Its about 60 cm from the floor, but comfortable is a different experience. Allmost done now with the re-wiring! Razz
Offline Rinus  
#434 Posted : 23 March 2014 09:56:42(UTC)
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Picture from my new loco's: Rh 1110.5 and Rh 1110 performing double traction.

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More pictures in the loco review tread.

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Offline Martin T  
#435 Posted : 24 March 2014 13:04:39(UTC)
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Double traction! Cool! ThumpUp
A lot of pulling power you got there!
Drool
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Offline Mark5  
#436 Posted : 24 March 2014 14:13:54(UTC)
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Great progress Rinus! You work always inspires me. I was working on the Mächenbahn with the girls this weekend, creating the form of hills with styrofoam, burning (outside due to toxic stink!) and cutting to shape. I noticed you did a great job with the rock face around the portals. Wondering how to do that great paint job on the rocks. Paint over styro has to be thick and details can get lost, yet when the styro is burned/melted/cut with a soldering iron it can make a more natural rock shape.

Any tips you can share bout painting rock face to get a naturalistic look?

Thanks again for sharing your progress!
- Mark

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Fan of signals and catenary; stations and yards. Is there anything else?

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Offline Rinus  
#437 Posted : 26 March 2014 20:49:34(UTC)
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Hi Mark!

Thanks!

Coloring the rock formations is actually quite easy!

I made the rocks out of plaster and used the woodland scenics earth coloring set.

This video shows how-to.


Lots more can be found here: http://woodlandscenics.woodland.../video/c/WoodlandScenics

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Offline Goofy  
#438 Posted : 06 April 2014 07:22:25(UTC)
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Yes colouring is easy on the rocks,but be carefully when you choise correct color for the rocks similar look like in Europe.
Sincerely
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#439 Posted: : 10 April 2014 01:56:56(UTC)
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Rinus,

a Brenner Bahn video may be of interest to you.

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Offline Rinus  
#440 Posted : 25 May 2014 18:03:46(UTC)
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Hi all!

Finally got time to sort out the switch problems in the hidden station.

I replaced 4 marklin solenoids which were fried, with 4 servo's from ESU. All are controled by a Uhlenbrock servo decoder.

Impresion:



Enjoy!

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Offline Rinus  
#441 Posted : 25 May 2014 18:06:16(UTC)
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And some more pics from the scenery progress.!

I added some houses and started working on the interior lights. Also I got some new ACME container waggons.

Here a train is passing Steinach am Brenner Station.

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Offline French_Fabrice  
#442 Posted : 26 May 2014 17:01:23(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

I'm very interested about servos to drive turnouts, instead of using the standard (most of the time unreliable) 7549 motors.

But I have a question which still puzzles me. It's a mechanical question: How do you maintain "straight" (or with sufficient force) the metal rod from the servo head to the turnout lever ?

-Do you pass the thin steel rod in all the holes of the servo head lever ?
-Do you glue the steel rod to the servo head lever ?
-Other ?

When looking at video #2, the thin rods seems to move without bending, which is perfect...ThumpUp

Your answer will be greatly appreciated...

Cheers
fabrice
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#443 Posted : 27 May 2014 05:30:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hi all!

Finally got time to sort out the switch problems in the hidden station.

I replaced 4 marklin solenoids which were fried, with 4 servo's from ESU. All are controled by a Uhlenbrock servo decoder.

Impresion:



Enjoy!

Rinus


Hello Rinus,

I DO like those servo points !

Could I please trouble you for the ESU number for the servos ?

Regards,

PJ
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#444 Posted : 27 May 2014 08:36:21(UTC)
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right:

PJ and Fabrice. also look under digital: ESU servo motors with ESU switch pilot module

the ESU servo come in 2 versions, plastic and metal gears. the number for each servo motor is: 51804, 51805.

the servo motor has an input of 5 V DC and can be connected to a switch pilot servo 51820 (V2) this new Version has the capability for RailCom feedback.the switch servo will recognize the turnouts on your ECoS track plan, the switch pilot servo module has also a second option of controlling the servo motors manually by a pulse switch (external).

I have had a topic whereas I used the switch pilot module in conjunction with the servo motor but this time the turnout is controlled automatically via a switching track. further information needed ask me and I refer you to the topic.
the switch pilot module has various programmable functions: a.) the extend of movement to the right or left. b.) check movement from right to left and adjust speed control.

the programming starts usually with turnout being curved and the buttons provided to adjust the lever's position can alter to suit the turnouts end position. with K-tracks you have 2 options, either use the hand lever which is provided with each turnout and drill a small hole between the middle of the other 2 holes on the lever..
I've looked at Rinus illustration how he secured the servo motors to the board and I find it unnecessary to put a block underneath it. you can use several assortments of levers which are provided with the servo motor.

I have ruined several motors because I've clipped the wire to its correct length and by doing so I've shortened the motor, in hindsight the chrome wire is connected to the lever and the screw than holds the wire and the lever while screwing it into the servo motor cogwheel.
I've contacted ESU about this and they will supply plastic screws in future so nobody can make the mistake as I did by cutting the wire while the servo motor is connected to the switch pilot unit.

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#445 Posted : 27 May 2014 09:39:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus,

I'm very interested about servos to drive turnouts, instead of using the standard (most of the time unreliable) 7549 motors.

But I have a question which still puzzles me. It's a mechanical question: How do you maintain "straight" (or with sufficient force) the metal rod from the servo head to the turnout lever ?

-Do you pass the thin steel rod in all the holes of the servo head lever ?
-Do you glue the steel rod to the servo head lever ?
-Other ?

When looking at video #2, the thin rods seems to move without bending, which is perfect...ThumpUp

Your answer will be greatly appreciated...

Cheers
fabrice


Fabrice I may jump in here first.

the rod as illustrated in my pictures show you the options and how the lever and rod is secured. without buying an under the board mounting kit you could use the manual lever which is provided with each k-track turnout and if you already have the mounting kit all you have to do is get rid of the under the board solenoid and parts.
so far the rod is concerned you can program it that way so the rod doesn't bent with other words you program the lever as far as it can go in either direction (separate programming cycle) if the motor goes over its side movement limit you can hear it makes a tension noise and all you have to do is set it back a bit by pressing the appropriate button).

just be careful when cutting the rod to its right length the servo motor is not connected to the switch pilot module otherwise you ruin the servo motor.
I have or had about 100 under the board mounting kits and most of them failed or were unsatisfactory by not turning the full length.
because the turnout mechanism consists of so many individual parts the lever that goes into the turnout and clicks into another mechanism, failure can still occur but very unlikely.

the other plus with a servo motor is the position of the rod stands firm and doesn't move backwards leaving the turned position in a secure spot and of course the turning speed can also be programmed, although it doesn't matter under a tunnel or in a hidden siding but it looks good on any other location, you may also noticed I've put a sleeve over the rod at the spot where the screw secures the lever and the rod but I've made another alteration by placing a very thin plastic ring behind the screw so when you tie up the screw the insulated plastic sleeve doesn't get ripped and the metal gets exposed but you still could shorten the servo motor if the rod above is exposed and you accidentally touch it with a metal object such as a screwdriver etc etc.

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#446 Posted : 27 May 2014 23:13:58(UTC)
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Thanks John!

There are indeed various methods. Some prefer to fix the steel rod directly to the switch. I tried that and failed. I just drill a hole without damaging the switch. I therefore prefer to use the plastic handleveler, drill a hole in there and push the metal rod though.

I don't glue the metal rod to the servo. Most servo's (atleast those from ESU and Uhlenbrock) have a bag with various pieces which will help you to buit just the mechanics you need.

The thin metal rod can bent a little but not too much. I prefer catenary wire from sommerfeldt. I believe its 0,8 mm.

Personally I used the 'manual' provided on this page:

http://www.stayathome.ch/weichenantriebe.htm

Scroll down to 'montage' and you'll find all the info you need.

Since Im on a train now I cant give you the ESU article number right away. Ist the most basic one however.

Rinus
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