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#1 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:10:31(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Welcome to my layout.
As you know I built a "train room" log cabin in my back garden.
That is now complete and work has started on the layout.
The layout is a T shape, being 4.8m wide and 4.8m long.
The "leg" section of the T is reduced to 3m wide,this is to allow
access to 3 sides of the layout.
Have some photo's of the framework,there is a 600mm shelve that runs along the rear wall for storage(loads of boxes) and a workbench for
repair work and kit building etc under the window.
The lower framework is for the Hidden station.
Ian





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#2 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:52:35(UTC)
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Ian,
very impressive, not an inch out of place, so to speak.

regards.,
John.
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#3 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:15:53(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
Beautiful layout area, a very nice ambience in that room.
And excellent benchwork.
Your progress will be admired.
regards
Kimball

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#4 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:30:11(UTC)
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Very nice, Ian! Loads of room on that benchwork. Do you have a layout plan?
Ray from the Rock.
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#5 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:44:40(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Exellcent benchwork! Did you build it all yourself?

I like the way you have allowed space to move around on either side of the long side of the T. By the way, as the long side is a bit too broad, can you reach atleast half way across for maintenance purposes?

Cheers,
Ranjit
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#6 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:54:44(UTC)
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Hi John,Kimball and Ray
Thanks for the kind words,it's taken me since June to get this far.
Ray,I have a rough plan,station area along the front(double doors),
turntable/service area beside my small workbench,but no layout
drawing plan...to computer illerate for that.
I like to just make it up as I go along.
Ian
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#7 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:39:58(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ranjit
Thanks,and access will be no problem.Next job is to fit plywood
in the Hidden station and then start laying some M track.
Ian
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#8 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:22:41(UTC)
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Great framework you have there Ian... I hope soon You'll have some trains running there. It's very nice to see such a well mounted framework in a room with such nice ambiance...
Ricardo Correia
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#9 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:25:13(UTC)
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Another opportunity to follow a layout builder from scratch. Looks great Ian. Will follow you work with great interest.
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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#10 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:50:27(UTC)
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WOW [:0]

I'm impressed Ian, good framework construction, seems very stable Smile

But Ian, you'll need more place to store boxes and so on [:p] biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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#11 Posted : 16 October 2009 15:08:08(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Thanks.
The framework is designed that once the 18mm plywood is fitted the
whole structure will take my weight,should I have to"climb over it".
Ian
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#12 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:16:04(UTC)
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Very very nice framework... and nice room too.
It seems perfect for playing with trains in dark and cold winter weekends...

Pietro
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#13 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:25:16(UTC)
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It looks very good, Ian.
Best regards Svein
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#14 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:28:44(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by al_pignolo
<br />Very very nice framework... and nice room too.
It seems perfect for playing with trains in dark and cold winter weekends...

Pietro


And scottish malt whiskey... biggrin
Sincerely
Anders

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#15 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:31:07(UTC)
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Just only wood...wood...wood
How many times did you said "timber" by cut trees down...?

biggrin
Sincerely
Anders

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#16 Posted : 16 October 2009 19:57:07(UTC)
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THe interior panneling of your train cabin looks very nice !!

Please continue posting your progress
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#17 Posted : 16 October 2009 20:07:36(UTC)
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Very impressive. Looks great!!
Steen

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#18 Posted : 16 October 2009 22:09:02(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
I am a bit like you, I don't have a computer layout program.
The beautiful thing about C track (and I guess M track), is you can do exactly what you suggest. Just lay it down, try different scenarios, until you get what you want. It is interesting, and works very well in the end.
regards
Kimball
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#19 Posted : 17 October 2009 02:05:28(UTC)
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Outstanding, Ian! I've been looking forward to you getting into the layout phase of your project. Smile The benchwork looks excellent to me. Will be even better to see some M-track on it! biggrin Keep us posted, please.


Bill
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#20 Posted : 17 October 2009 06:00:08(UTC)
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Hi all
Thanks,got some "car stuff" planned for this weekend,then making
a start to the hidden station next week.
Ian
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#21 Posted : 17 October 2009 09:16:49(UTC)
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Looks promising. Hope to see pictures of your progress soon. Enjoy !
Gregor
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#22 Posted : 17 October 2009 12:31:55(UTC)
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Good work, Keep posted Ian!
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#23 Posted : 17 October 2009 13:14:31(UTC)
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Explendid!!
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FMS
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#24 Posted : 19 October 2009 19:36:18(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Got the plywood fitted to hidden station and got my first attempt
and setting up the track layout.The entrance and exit tracks will
be at the rear right hand corner.Let me know what you think.
Ian
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#25 Posted : 19 October 2009 20:42:07(UTC)
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Your bench work is as good as your cabin building. Very impressive!
I don't know how you plan to access you hidden station but trains in the middle could be hard to reach. Murphy's law says the that the train in the middle track will derail and get stuck.
DT
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#26 Posted : 19 October 2009 21:38:53(UTC)
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Looks great Ian! [:p]
Your wood work is impressive.
Steen

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#27 Posted : 19 October 2009 22:03:11(UTC)
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Excellent process, Ian.
Large Marklinist layout with C-tracks/Central station 2/Mobile station 2/Boosters 60174s/Marklin collector since 1990s/Collector Marklin from the 1950s/Favorites Steam class BR01/BR03/BR05/BR50/Insider Club membership.
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#28 Posted : 19 October 2009 23:36:59(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
The idea looks great,but reaching inner lines might be a problem.Any way those lines look marvelous.You are on a great project....
I simply love it!
regards,
mehmet
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#29 Posted : 20 October 2009 02:56:51(UTC)
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Hi all
Thanks,the hidden station is just under 3m long and is 2m wide.
The gap I have between top of plywood and lower edge of framework is 250mm so although a bit tight I can reach rite into the middle track
and I have access from all 4 sides.All the points and eventually
contact tracks are easily reached from either end.
Thanks again.
Ian
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Lollo Offline
#30 Posted : 20 October 2009 04:29:16(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
What a fantastic train room. Your carpentry skills are very good, just like a pro.
The hidden station track work looks great. Are using C track on the upper level or more M track?
I am in the process of doing up an old shed at the moment. It is almost ready for bench work to begin.
It will not be as impressive as yours, but it will be good to get my trains out of the house in to a train room.
Look forward to more pics of your progress. Thanks for sharing with us.

Brian.
Brian
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#31 Posted : 20 October 2009 05:31:21(UTC)
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Marvellous work, Ian!

Cheers,
Ranjit
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#32 Posted : 20 October 2009 06:11:49(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Brilliant job, I am totally jealous. How far are you from Annan?

Jeremy.
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#33 Posted : 20 October 2009 07:02:00(UTC)
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Great Ian.

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#34 Posted : 20 October 2009 08:36:29(UTC)
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Hi Brian
My "carpentry skills" are all self taught.The whole framework is put
together using 70mm coach screws so nothing to fancy.
I was a Gas Engineer to trade,central heating and domestic instalation work mostly.
I enjoy having the layout away from the house but do realise it would not be for everyone.
Thanks again.
Ian
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#35 Posted : 20 October 2009 08:47:09(UTC)
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Hi Ranjit,Jeremy and Neville
Thanks, it's been 20 years since I have laid some track,so I am really enjoying it. Jeremy, Annan is just of the M74 and is about
1 hours drive from my home.
Thanks again
Ian
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#36 Posted : 20 October 2009 10:14:39(UTC)
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Looks great Ian. As others have said access to the middle might be an issue. Also I hope you don't have any 28cm or longer coaches, because they will catch on the large lanterns you have on those M track points. I went through my layout and replaced all of those with the newer turnouts with small lanterns for that reason.
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#37 Posted : 20 October 2009 10:28:45(UTC)
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Hi David
Thanks,I realise the older points have that problem,but I was that keen to get some track down that I had to use all the old points I have.Will replace them as and when they come up on E-bay.
As I have said it's not easy to reach into the 2 middle tracks but it
can be done.
Thanks again.
Ian
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#38 Posted : 20 October 2009 10:51:56(UTC)
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Wow, some parking area. Very impressive. Splended work, Ian. [^]
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL
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#39 Posted : 20 October 2009 12:37:53(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Although I find your mega storage sidings very impressive, I have to agree with others that you will find it hard to reach those middle tracks. With only 25cm of clearance, I think you will struggle to get your fingers even a metre into the space with your face pressed hard against the edge. Think also that you will have other trains on the tracks impeding your access.

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I think you should reconsider your design at this stage, where it is easy to make changes.

What about the transition to the upper level? Have you decided on a ramp or spiral? With the amount of space you have you could start the slope at one end of the storage yard area and use that space to gain height within this area.

However you wish to continue with your layout, have fun doing it!
Ray from the Rock.
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#40 Posted : 20 October 2009 17:11:59(UTC)
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Impressive work!
I am in the middle of the same exercise which makes it even more impressive to me!
I'll second Ray on the comment on accessibility of the trackc on the hidden yard. Unless you provide for openings from the top (??) this may prove a source of frustration.
I'd be also concerned in accessibility to the track on the upper level, and particularly switches.
I make cut outs under each of my C-track switches, and for the few Ktrack I'll use I want to make sure that if I have to intervene to debug, I won't have to be calling on Spiderman or an octopus to do the job.
I actually limited my hidden yard to 6 tracks to save on horizontal space(3 in each direction) but I made them extra long with passing switches in the middle so I can actually park or call any train, as long as I keep the last segment of the middle one always free 5or park the next departing train there)
I will post the last rev of my layout in the next few days, so You'll be able to see what I mean.
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#41 Posted : 20 October 2009 17:24:56(UTC)
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Hi all
After all your concerns I decided to do a double check.
I fitted some joists over and temperary laid on a couple of plywood
boards to duplicate the top level.
I then leaned in and carefully measured the distance I could reach.
I did this from all 4 sides.You were all right!!!. I could not reach
the 3/4 inside tracks.Well done everybody.biggrinbiggrin
My solution is, if you look at the first photo with the track laid in
the rear right hand corner I can shorten the bumper track and cut myself a 550mm diameter hole as an access point.
Should I have a problem this then allows me to reach rite into the middle.Let me know what you think.
Thanks again
Ian
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#42 Posted : 20 October 2009 17:46:47(UTC)
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Hi all
Just had another thought
I don't have anywhere near enough Loco's,coaches and wagons to need to use those middle tracks,better get back onto E-baySmileSmile
Ian
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#43 Posted : 20 October 2009 18:10:32(UTC)
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I am also impressed, Ian!

Great work.
Best regards Svein
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#44 Posted : 20 October 2009 20:23:39(UTC)
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You can not access all tracks,if this shows up underground station like that.
What about all trains placement inside of underground station...?
You will get in trouble,to keep on service exemple!
Sincerely
Anders

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#45 Posted : 20 October 2009 20:51:26(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi all
Just had another thought
I don't have anywhere near enough Loco's,coaches and wagons to need to use those middle tracks,better get back onto E-baySmileSmile
Ian


If I may interfere in an otherwise completely on-topic topic; the quoted statement is a dangerous one as collections tend to grow... so, eventually, you'll need all of them. wink

To get back on-topic; great progress you're showing and a wonderful starting point for a seriously impressive layout.
Sander

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#46 Posted : 20 October 2009 20:57:49(UTC)
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And as usual, I feel attacks of envy when I see what kind of space some of you folks have for the trains... Smile
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#47 Posted : 20 October 2009 21:20:07(UTC)
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a big WOW!! All that room is great.
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#48 Posted : 20 October 2009 22:51:24(UTC)
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Outstanding, Ian! All that M-track looks great! I hope you don't have to be an acrobat to make that access opening work. biggrin. Can't wait till ya get to run some trains.

Bill
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#49 Posted : 21 October 2009 04:16:34(UTC)
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Hi all
Thanks,will be out at the "train room" today and cut out that access
hole to see how that works then connect up a transformer and run a couple of trains round.
Ian
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#50 Posted : 21 October 2009 06:10:49(UTC)
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Good luck with the access hole, Ian.

Is someone helping you with all this construction or are you doing it alone?

Cheers,
Ranjit

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