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Offline intruder  
#1 Posted : 16 June 2009 19:00:13(UTC)
intruder

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Many interesting (and og course correct) things has been said in this group of topics regarding picture sharpness and the depth of field.

I wish to share four examples with you, now that I have an SLR camera with lenses with a rather small minimum aperture opening.

I made four photos, all with the same focal length and the same focus piont. Only the aperture is changed, thereof also the shutter opening time. Canon EF 28-200mm f3,5-5,6 at approx 100 mm focal length.
No modifications to the photos, except the size, reduced to 640 pixels width.

At the biggest opening, f5,6:
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At aperture f8:
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At aperture f16:
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And finally at the smallest opening f32:
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Good luck!


Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 16 June 2009 23:15:16(UTC)
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Thanks for the tip.
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Offline jvuye  
#3 Posted : 22 June 2009 10:52:33(UTC)
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Hi Svein, Absolutely correct!
Nice set of experiments demonstrating a basic principle.
I like the fact you used "available light", it is much more natural than Flash
Of course you picked a loco in "photographic colours" a little trick that facilitates good contrast...
wink
I like the height you choosed, rather than the "helicopter" view we see just too often
For model RR pictures, a little bean bag on which to rest the camera safely is a big help.
It will also help keeping the subject straight (your pics are slightly tilted)
Use your timer our a remote control to release, this way you'll avoid shaking the camera on long exposures.(I use ISO 100 consistently on model RR photography, which means sometimes you have exposure times of several seconds))
One last suggestion, try to place a white cardboard piece in front of the loco and make it act as a reflector to add some contrast on the front and reveal more details.
With some "trial and error" you discover how much more details can be revealed.
Great job in any case!
Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline al_pignolo  
#4 Posted : 22 June 2009 18:07:54(UTC)
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Thank you Svein and Jacques.

With your examples I realized that the apeture gives different effects with different cameras. I suppose that Svein used a reflex camera. I unfortunately have only a compact one, but the more closed apeture in these cameras (that is about f7-f8) gives a greater depht than the f8 of your picture:

This is done with f8.0 and, even if the lighting is bad (backlit and bad contrast) you can see that the field is much deeper than in your f8:

http://www.piroen.eu/php...plastico%2F0811.50.2.jpg

This made by a friend with another camera, f7.1, almost the whole loco is focused:

http://www.piroen.eu/php...astico%2F0906_454.02.jpg
(with a compact camera it is impossible to reach a better depth of fiels, I think [:(])

Pietro
Offline pab  
#5 Posted : 22 June 2009 23:16:37(UTC)
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Hi Pietro

It's no only the aperture.
Other things, like the type of lens, have influence on the result too. A wide angle lens has more depth than a telelens. Fokal distance is a factor too. Distance from the camera to the subject.

Compact cameras have a smaller chip and mostly a wider angle, which allows very short focal lengths.

Offline intruder  
#6 Posted : 22 June 2009 23:47:34(UTC)
intruder

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jvuye
... One last suggestion, try to place a white cardboard piece in front of the loco and make it act as a reflector to add some contrast on the front and reveal more details.

I normally do that, when I make photos of my models.

The locomotive in the photo, NSB 63a 2770, basically got the light directly from the front, and I used the bottom of a big Märklin box as a reflector from the side, to the left of the camera.
Now I use the bottom half of the box from a C-track extension set (C5 or something).

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This is shot with my Canon Powershot G6, 20,7mm focal length (equals approx 100 mm with 135 film), 1/8 second and f8.
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
Offline jvuye  
#7 Posted : 25 June 2009 21:39:17(UTC)
jvuye

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Svein,
This last picture is simply perfect...
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!
Offline pab  
#8 Posted : 25 June 2009 22:35:58(UTC)
pab

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Very fine picture
Offline intruder  
#9 Posted : 25 June 2009 23:50:21(UTC)
intruder

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Thanks for the kind comments, friend.

It's more on my website Cool[:I]
Best regards Svein, Norway
grumpy old sod
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