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Offline Brakepad  
#1 Posted : 01 May 2009 22:42:29(UTC)
Brakepad

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Hi,

Just repaired a €15 early V200(3021).

I got it from eBay and it arrived with no couplers.

UserPostedImage

I'd like to install some couplers (or NEM sockets) on it. But don't think original parts are available (and if they are, I don't want to spend more money on the couplers than on the whole loc).

Have any of you replaced original couplers by "custom" ones?
check out http://maerklin-back-on-track.blogspot.com if you like to see how old Märklin locos are brought back into life! (in spanish by the moment)
Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 02 May 2009 00:41:03(UTC)
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I have the 3021 with one end coupling still missing.
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Offline al_pignolo  
#3 Posted : 02 May 2009 00:58:43(UTC)
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I would like to find NEM socket for this loco, too!

Your loco seems to have LED lights in the front. Did you install them during the repair?

Pietro
Offline Brakepad  
#4 Posted : 02 May 2009 01:52:58(UTC)
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Hi Pietro,

Yes, this has been some kind of experiment. It has a UHL 76320 decoder and FR&RR LEDs.
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Offline Brakepad  
#5 Posted : 02 May 2009 14:10:47(UTC)
Brakepad

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Hi,

I've just noticed something.

UserPostedImage

Other than the missing couplers and the LED lighting, which are obvious differences between these two locomotives, and were not there when the models were first sold, the one at the left has a "thick" grey line while the one at the right shows three thin lines.

Both are supposed (?) to be early (1958/59) models (only two lights), but even the casting is different. The one at the right is showing some casting burrs also.

Do these details indicate something? (i.e. one being a '58 and the other a '59)?
Thanks.


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Offline river6109  
#6 Posted : 02 May 2009 15:16:36(UTC)
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To find some NEM socket for this loco is unlikely.
the original coupling has a bow halfway.
The loco on the left is from 1957. on the right: year of production: between 1958-1959.
aanything after 1959 had 3 headlights and other minor changes.
There have been the following Roadnumber: 200006, 200027, 200056, 200060

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Offline Brakepad  
#7 Posted : 02 May 2009 15:57:28(UTC)
Brakepad

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Many thanks John. For some reason, I thought that the one on the right would be earlier that the other. Until now, I thought that only one "early" version with two headlights existed. Where did you get the info?

On the other hand, I've just seen that couplers for these locos are still available (part number 211660) and are not as expensive as I expected. According to Märklin, price is €1,99, but these can be found in lokshop or ETS a bit cheaper. I'll check with my supplier.



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Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 02 May 2009 17:23:46(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Brakepad
<br />Many thanks John. For some reason, I thought that the one on the right would be earlier that the other. Until now, I thought that only one "early" version with two headlights existed. Where did you get the info?

On the other hand, I've just seen that couplers for these locos are still available (part number 211660) and are not as expensive as I expected. According to Märklin, price is €1,99, but these can be found in lokshop or ETS a bit cheaper. I'll check with my supplier.

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Offline al_pignolo  
#9 Posted : 02 May 2009 18:05:00(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />To find some NEM socket for this loco is unlikely.
the original coupling has a bow halfway.




I have an old one of these locos and I was planning to repaint it in a private railway livery.
I see that the bow you're talking of is dute to the fairing below the buffers. I think that milling it for 2-3 mm could be a solution for NEM sockets. If I'll decide to do it, I'll post a picture.

Pietro
Offline WelshMatt  
#10 Posted : 02 May 2009 20:19:27(UTC)
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Could you maybe adapt the couplers from something else to fit, or make your own from metal strip? They don't look that different to the ones on much later locos like the 3323, and assuming you only modified the couplings rather than the loco you could fit the proper ones later on if you found a source.

The other alternative: Make a solid bar coupling as used on the Br.151 pair mentioned elsewhere here, use that between your two locos and fit the original couplers to the outer ends of the pair.

I wish I knew which bits of ebay to look in for these deals! That would go for a lot more than €15 here. The battered TM800 I bought, de-gunked, stripped, repainted, and digitised was £10.
Matt from Wales.

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Offline seatrains  
#11 Posted : 02 May 2009 21:08:50(UTC)
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Brakepad, another nice rescue/restoration job. Lets keep those vintage loks running!!
I bought two 3021's about five years back, both runners in "fair" condition, for $25 & $35, at local swap meets here in Seattle & Vancouver B.C. Both sellers apologized for the condition of the loks as they were very dirty and neither seller thought they had much value. I cleaned both body shells, very carefully, with a little soap & warm water, and they look much better.
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Offline TroyYang  
#12 Posted : 02 May 2009 21:41:48(UTC)
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Part number for this coupler is 21166.
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Offline WelshMatt  
#13 Posted : 02 May 2009 21:52:59(UTC)
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If you can get hold of an ultrasound cleaner big enough to take loco bodies then these will do a lot to help clean up bodyshells, along with a soft brush to chase the dirt out of the corners.

I'm not sure how solid Marklin paint or lettering is, but a good rule of thumb is: Don't use anything more aggressive than lukewarm soapy water, and don't scrub. Occasionally you will get a situation (such as chassis parts, especially gearing) where WD40 and an old toothbrush are the best bet, this also works on rusty couplers.

For corroded bare metal parts (such as rusty handrails) fine wire wool can be used to polish the rust away. Just wear gloves and make sure that the wire wool doesn't get anywhere near the motor or live electrics, as it will cause all sorts of annoying short circuits!
Matt from Wales.

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Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 02 May 2009 23:16:16(UTC)
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Can you post picture of inside loco with headlight?
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Offline Brakepad  
#15 Posted : 03 May 2009 12:25:03(UTC)
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Hi Steven,

Of course. Here you are:

UserPostedImage

UserPostedImage

Matt, I've found that original couplers are still available (as Troy says, part nr is 21166 and it's in green color at Märklin service website as part nr. 211660), and are not that expensive, so I'll take the easy way. I assumed that these parts would not be available, but it's not the case. Anyway many thanks for your help and for your cleaning tips.

Actually all parts but rotor&motor cover were thorougly cleaned with soapy water, so all dirt is removed, even if it doesn't seem so. For motor block, gears & wheels I used some degreasing fluid and a toothbrush.

I bought this one as a parts loco in a local ebay auction, seller stated it was a non-runner, and I purchased it mainly because it had been at some point converted to 2-rail (so it had the Hamo-magnet fitted) and I planned to use the magnet for some digital conversion and keep the other usable parts for spares.

It was in very bad condition . It was incomplete (wires pulled out, two missing bulbs), paintjob was (and actually is) in quite bad condition, had marks everywhere (yellow paint, white paint), absolutely all sheetmetal parts were bent (and this loco has a lot of sheetmetal parts: frame, bogies, lower cover), wheels had been pushed so inner wheel distance was not OK, there was dry glue everywhere, and there were huge black marks in the inner side of the body, like if somebody had launched a firecracker inside. Actually the windows still show some black-ish appearance.

To be honest, I did not expect it to run again, and that's the reason why I did not take pictures. But after having dissassembled it, and little by little, I found that everything could be fixed, and even if quite roughly, the motor worked when was fed directly. So actually, other than the decoder, slider, motor foams, LED+resistors and some wires, it keeps its original parts (including brushes!). And now it runs soooooooo smoothly you would never tell it had been so much mistreated in the past.

Seatrains, I find that these "rescue" jobs are the most exciting part of the hobby. Even more if the "rescued" lady has already turned 50!

Thanks & best regards.

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Offline river6109  
#16 Posted : 03 May 2009 14:50:26(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by al_pignolo
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109
<br />To find some NEM socket for this loco is unlikely.
the original coupling has a bow halfway.




I have an old one of these locos and I was planning to repaint it in a private railway livery.
I see that the bow you're talking of is dute to the fairing below the buffers. I think that milling it for 2-3 mm could be a solution for NEM sockets. If I'll decide to do it, I'll post a picture.

Pietro


this would be your only chance do add NEM shafts. my estimate would be more to the 5mm line and of course you have to allow for the sideswing aswell.
John
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#17 Posted : 04 May 2009 06:48:11(UTC)
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Looks like you need to replace the bogie to be able to mount a new coupler (assuming it is the mount, not the coupler that is broken).


See
http://www.trademe.co.nz...er/auction-216690001.htm
Offline Brakepad  
#18 Posted : 05 May 2009 01:12:41(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Looks like you need to replace the bogie to be able to mount a new coupler (assuming it is the mount, not the coupler that is broken).


See
http://www.trademe.co.nz...er/auction-216690001.htm


Hi Bigdaddy,

Actually both bogies are OK (one of them was bent but it was quite easy to straighten it) and the threads for the couplers are in place and in good condition- I only need two new couplers with their screws.

Thanks!

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Offline rschaffr  
#19 Posted : 05 May 2009 01:52:30(UTC)
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Brakepad:

I use Marklin part # 344890. They are not perfect, but they work. You either have to find an appropriate shoulder bolt or apply a little loktite to the threads and leave it slightly loose so the coupler will move (I did the latter)

[image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/3021coup1.jpg[/image]

[image]http://www.sem-co.com/~rschaffr/trains/images/3021coup2.jpg[/image]
-Ron
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Offline Brakepad  
#20 Posted : 05 May 2009 06:44:31(UTC)
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A very big THANK YOU, Ron!

That was exactly what I was thinking about when I said NEM sockets. I'm sure this information may help Al Pignolo too.

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Offline al_pignolo  
#21 Posted : 05 May 2009 23:28:19(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Brakepad
<br />
I'm sure this information may help Al Pignolo too.




Fully agree! THANK YOU! biggrin

About the moving of the coupler, in another loco (#3039) I used a #755140 screw. It is used normally for steam locos rods, but it seems to me it works fine!

Pietro
Offline rschaffr  
#22 Posted : 06 May 2009 00:50:02(UTC)
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Thanks for the info on the screw, Pietro.
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