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Offline Ian555  
#1 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:10:31(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Welcome to my layout.
As you know I built a "train room" log cabin in my back garden.
That is now complete and work has started on the layout.
The layout is a T shape, being 4.8m wide and 4.8m long.
The "leg" section of the T is reduced to 3m wide,this is to allow
access to 3 sides of the layout.
Have some photo's of the framework,there is a 600mm shelve that runs along the rear wall for storage(loads of boxes) and a workbench for
repair work and kit building etc under the window.
The lower framework is for the Hidden station.
Ian
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Offline river6109  
#2 Posted : 16 October 2009 11:52:35(UTC)
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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
Ian,
very impressive, not an inch out of place, so to speak.

regards.,
John.
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:15:53(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
Beautiful layout area, a very nice ambience in that room.
And excellent benchwork.
Your progress will be admired.
regards
Kimball

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HO Scale - Märklin layout digital DB ep III, C Track - 2 rail (USA N&W, Pennsy, GN) (Australia, Queensland) - 3 rail English LNER/BR Hornby Dublo - O gauge, a few Märklin and Hornby.
Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:30:11(UTC)
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Very nice, Ian! Loads of room on that benchwork. Do you have a layout plan?
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline Ranjit  
#5 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:44:40(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Exellcent benchwork! Did you build it all yourself?

I like the way you have allowed space to move around on either side of the long side of the T. By the way, as the long side is a bit too broad, can you reach atleast half way across for maintenance purposes?

Cheers,
Ranjit
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
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Offline Ian555  
#6 Posted : 16 October 2009 12:54:44(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi John,Kimball and Ray
Thanks for the kind words,it's taken me since June to get this far.
Ray,I have a rough plan,station area along the front(double doors),
turntable/service area beside my small workbench,but no layout
drawing plan...to computer illerate for that.
I like to just make it up as I go along.
Ian
Offline Ian555  
#7 Posted : 16 October 2009 13:39:58(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ranjit
Thanks,and access will be no problem.Next job is to fit plywood
in the Hidden station and then start laying some M track.
Ian
Offline rcorreia  
#8 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:22:41(UTC)
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Great framework you have there Ian... I hope soon You'll have some trains running there. It's very nice to see such a well mounted framework in a room with such nice ambiance...
Ricardo Correia
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Offline Caplin  
#9 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:25:13(UTC)
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Another opportunity to follow a layout builder from scratch. Looks great Ian. Will follow you work with great interest.
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline pa-pauls  
#10 Posted : 16 October 2009 14:50:27(UTC)
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WOW [:0]

I'm impressed Ian, good framework construction, seems very stable Smile

But Ian, you'll need more place to store boxes and so on [:p] biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
Pål Paulsen
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Offline Ian555  
#11 Posted : 16 October 2009 15:08:08(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Thanks.
The framework is designed that once the 18mm plywood is fitted the
whole structure will take my weight,should I have to"climb over it".
Ian
Offline al_pignolo  
#12 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:16:04(UTC)
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Very very nice framework... and nice room too.
It seems perfect for playing with trains in dark and cold winter weekends...

Pietro
Offline intruder  
#13 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:25:16(UTC)
intruder

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It looks very good, Ian.
Best regards Svein, Norway
member of MFDWPL for some more years
Online Goofy  
#14 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:28:44(UTC)
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<br />Very very nice framework... and nice room too.
It seems perfect for playing with trains in dark and cold winter weekends...

Pietro


And scottish malt whiskey... biggrin
Sincerely
Anders

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Era 1




Online Goofy  
#15 Posted : 16 October 2009 18:31:07(UTC)
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Just only wood...wood...wood
How many times did you said "timber" by cut trees down...?

biggrin
Sincerely
Anders

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Offline Frostie  
#16 Posted : 16 October 2009 19:57:07(UTC)
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THe interior panneling of your train cabin looks very nice !!

Please continue posting your progress
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Offline Eisenhower  
#17 Posted : 16 October 2009 20:07:36(UTC)
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Very impressive. Looks great!!
Steen

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#18 Posted : 16 October 2009 22:09:02(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
I am a bit like you, I don't have a computer layout program.
The beautiful thing about C track (and I guess M track), is you can do exactly what you suggest. Just lay it down, try different scenarios, until you get what you want. It is interesting, and works very well in the end.
regards
Kimball
HO Scale - Märklin layout digital DB ep III, C Track - 2 rail (USA N&W, Pennsy, GN) (Australia, Queensland) - 3 rail English LNER/BR Hornby Dublo - O gauge, a few Märklin and Hornby.
Offline obxbill  
#19 Posted : 17 October 2009 02:05:28(UTC)
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Outstanding, Ian! I've been looking forward to you getting into the layout phase of your project. Smile The benchwork looks excellent to me. Will be even better to see some M-track on it! biggrin Keep us posted, please.


Bill
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Offline Ian555  
#20 Posted : 17 October 2009 06:00:08(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Thanks,got some "car stuff" planned for this weekend,then making
a start to the hidden station next week.
Ian
Offline Gregor  
#21 Posted : 17 October 2009 09:16:49(UTC)
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Looks promising. Hope to see pictures of your progress soon. Enjoy !
Gregor
Online steventrain  
#22 Posted : 17 October 2009 12:31:55(UTC)
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Good work, Keep posted Ian!
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Offline FMS  
#23 Posted : 17 October 2009 13:14:31(UTC)
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Explendid!!
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FMS
Offline Ian555  
#24 Posted : 19 October 2009 19:36:18(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Got the plywood fitted to hidden station and got my first attempt
and setting up the track layout.The entrance and exit tracks will
be at the rear right hand corner.Let me know what you think.
Ian
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Offline dntower85  
#25 Posted : 19 October 2009 20:42:07(UTC)
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Your bench work is as good as your cabin building. Very impressive!
I don't know how you plan to access you hidden station but trains in the middle could be hard to reach. Murphy's law says the that the train in the middle track will derail and get stuck.
DT
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Offline Eisenhower  
#26 Posted : 19 October 2009 21:38:53(UTC)
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Looks great Ian! [:p]
Your wood work is impressive.
Steen

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Online steventrain  
#27 Posted : 19 October 2009 22:03:11(UTC)
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Excellent process, Ian.
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Offline utkan  
#28 Posted : 19 October 2009 23:36:59(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
The idea looks great,but reaching inner lines might be a problem.Any way those lines look marvelous.You are on a great project....
I simply love it!
regards,
mehmet
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Offline Ian555  
#29 Posted : 20 October 2009 02:56:51(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Thanks,the hidden station is just under 3m long and is 2m wide.
The gap I have between top of plywood and lower edge of framework is 250mm so although a bit tight I can reach rite into the middle track
and I have access from all 4 sides.All the points and eventually
contact tracks are easily reached from either end.
Thanks again.
Ian
Offline Lollo  
#30 Posted : 20 October 2009 04:29:16(UTC)
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Hi Ian,
What a fantastic train room. Your carpentry skills are very good, just like a pro.
The hidden station track work looks great. Are using C track on the upper level or more M track?
I am in the process of doing up an old shed at the moment. It is almost ready for bench work to begin.
It will not be as impressive as yours, but it will be good to get my trains out of the house in to a train room.
Look forward to more pics of your progress. Thanks for sharing with us.

Brian.
Brian
Desktop Station & Marklin MS2, DB Era III/IV Diesel & Steam, ESU Loksound/Lokpilot & Lokprogrammer, Tam Valley Depot Octopus III Servo Controller.
Offline Ranjit  
#31 Posted : 20 October 2009 05:31:21(UTC)
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Marvellous work, Ian!

Cheers,
Ranjit
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Offline Jeremy Palmer  
#32 Posted : 20 October 2009 06:11:49(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Brilliant job, I am totally jealous. How far are you from Annan?

Jeremy.
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Offline nevw  
#33 Posted : 20 October 2009 07:02:00(UTC)
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Great Ian.

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Offline Ian555  
#34 Posted : 20 October 2009 08:36:29(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Brian
My "carpentry skills" are all self taught.The whole framework is put
together using 70mm coach screws so nothing to fancy.
I was a Gas Engineer to trade,central heating and domestic instalation work mostly.
I enjoy having the layout away from the house but do realise it would not be for everyone.
Thanks again.
Ian
Offline Ian555  
#35 Posted : 20 October 2009 08:47:09(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ranjit,Jeremy and Neville
Thanks, it's been 20 years since I have laid some track,so I am really enjoying it. Jeremy, Annan is just of the M74 and is about
1 hours drive from my home.
Thanks again
Ian
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#36 Posted : 20 October 2009 10:14:39(UTC)
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Looks great Ian. As others have said access to the middle might be an issue. Also I hope you don't have any 28cm or longer coaches, because they will catch on the large lanterns you have on those M track points. I went through my layout and replaced all of those with the newer turnouts with small lanterns for that reason.
Offline Ian555  
#37 Posted : 20 October 2009 10:28:45(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi David
Thanks,I realise the older points have that problem,but I was that keen to get some track down that I had to use all the old points I have.Will replace them as and when they come up on E-bay.
As I have said it's not easy to reach into the 2 middle tracks but it
can be done.
Thanks again.
Ian
Offline Caplin  
#38 Posted : 20 October 2009 10:51:56(UTC)
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Wow, some parking area. Very impressive. Splended work, Ian. [^]
Regards,
Benny - Outsider and MFDWPL

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Offline RayF  
#39 Posted : 20 October 2009 12:37:53(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Although I find your mega storage sidings very impressive, I have to agree with others that you will find it hard to reach those middle tracks. With only 25cm of clearance, I think you will struggle to get your fingers even a metre into the space with your face pressed hard against the edge. Think also that you will have other trains on the tracks impeding your access.

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I think you should reconsider your design at this stage, where it is easy to make changes.

What about the transition to the upper level? Have you decided on a ramp or spiral? With the amount of space you have you could start the slope at one end of the storage yard area and use that space to gain height within this area.

However you wish to continue with your layout, have fun doing it!
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.
Offline jvuye  
#40 Posted : 20 October 2009 17:11:59(UTC)
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Impressive work!
I am in the middle of the same exercise which makes it even more impressive to me!
I'll second Ray on the comment on accessibility of the trackc on the hidden yard. Unless you provide for openings from the top (??) this may prove a source of frustration.
I'd be also concerned in accessibility to the track on the upper level, and particularly switches.
I make cut outs under each of my C-track switches, and for the few Ktrack I'll use I want to make sure that if I have to intervene to debug, I won't have to be calling on Spiderman or an octopus to do the job.
I actually limited my hidden yard to 6 tracks to save on horizontal space(3 in each direction) but I made them extra long with passing switches in the middle so I can actually park or call any train, as long as I keep the last segment of the middle one always free 5or park the next departing train there)
I will post the last rev of my layout in the next few days, so You'll be able to see what I mean.
Cheerss
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline Ian555  
#41 Posted : 20 October 2009 17:24:56(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
After all your concerns I decided to do a double check.
I fitted some joists over and temperary laid on a couple of plywood
boards to duplicate the top level.
I then leaned in and carefully measured the distance I could reach.
I did this from all 4 sides.You were all right!!!. I could not reach
the 3/4 inside tracks.Well done everybody.biggrinbiggrin
My solution is, if you look at the first photo with the track laid in
the rear right hand corner I can shorten the bumper track and cut myself a 550mm diameter hole as an access point.
Should I have a problem this then allows me to reach rite into the middle.Let me know what you think.
Thanks again
Ian
Offline Ian555  
#42 Posted : 20 October 2009 17:46:47(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Just had another thought
I don't have anywhere near enough Loco's,coaches and wagons to need to use those middle tracks,better get back onto E-baySmileSmile
Ian
Offline intruder  
#43 Posted : 20 October 2009 18:10:32(UTC)
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I am also impressed, Ian!

Great work.
Best regards Svein, Norway
member of MFDWPL for some more years
Online Goofy  
#44 Posted : 20 October 2009 20:23:39(UTC)
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You can not access all tracks,if this shows up underground station like that.
What about all trains placement inside of underground station...?
You will get in trouble,to keep on service exemple!
Sincerely
Anders

DCC
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Offline Sander van Wijk  
#45 Posted : 20 October 2009 20:51:26(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi all
Just had another thought
I don't have anywhere near enough Loco's,coaches and wagons to need to use those middle tracks,better get back onto E-baySmileSmile
Ian


If I may interfere in an otherwise completely on-topic topic; the quoted statement is a dangerous one as collections tend to grow... so, eventually, you'll need all of them. wink

To get back on-topic; great progress you're showing and a wonderful starting point for a seriously impressive layout.
Sander

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Offline Webmaster  
#46 Posted : 20 October 2009 20:57:49(UTC)
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And as usual, I feel attacks of envy when I see what kind of space some of you folks have for the trains... Smile
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline Trainingtime  
#47 Posted : 20 October 2009 21:20:07(UTC)
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a big WOW!! All that room is great.
Offline obxbill  
#48 Posted : 20 October 2009 22:51:24(UTC)
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Outstanding, Ian! All that M-track looks great! I hope you don't have to be an acrobat to make that access opening work. biggrin. Can't wait till ya get to run some trains.

Bill
Marklin HO and Z also Hornby 00 and US 2-rail
Offline Ian555  
#49 Posted : 21 October 2009 04:16:34(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Thanks,will be out at the "train room" today and cut out that access
hole to see how that works then connect up a transformer and run a couple of trains round.
Ian
Offline Ranjit  
#50 Posted : 21 October 2009 06:10:49(UTC)
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Good luck with the access hole, Ian.

Is someone helping you with all this construction or are you doing it alone?

Cheers,
Ranjit

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Offline Ian555  
#51 Posted : 21 October 2009 08:08:57(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Ranjit
Yes just me,and Conrod and Brodie(my 2 dogs).
Ian.
Offline Ranjit  
#52 Posted : 21 October 2009 08:35:30(UTC)
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Thank you for the info, Ian.

It must be hard doing it all by yourself?

Cheers,
Ranjit
"If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need" - Marcus Tullius Cicero
"Nothing is as powerful as an idea whose time has come" - Victor Marie Hugo
Offline mvd71  
#53 Posted : 21 October 2009 08:47:01(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

Looking good, and its fantastic to see so much M track being used again.

Cheers....

Mike.
Offline Ian555  
#54 Posted : 21 October 2009 17:03:31(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi all
Couple of photo's showing my "new" access to the hidden station and
the first level for my Helix.Another 2 to go plus a base board to suit.
Ian.
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Offline jvuye  
#55 Posted : 21 October 2009 19:00:33(UTC)
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Looks already much better.
After looking at the last photos, here's another suggestion
The spacing between the individual tracks is pretty wide.
Just eyeballing it, I bet you could squeeze the exact same amount of track in half the horizontal space, just a matter of slightly different combinations, especially right after the switches at the ends.
Easy to do if you have the right track planning SW on your PC
If you don't, as I did already for a couple of other people around this forum, I'd be happy to help and make a few suggestions on condensing the space.
I just went through the exercise *intensively* for my own layout.
Just let me know!
Cheers
Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
Once a vandal, learning to be better and had great success!
Offline charles Sharpe  
#56 Posted : 21 October 2009 20:08:15(UTC)
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Hello Ian.

Is that a hot spot wood burner in the corner. If so thay are great. I have one in my studio and it is very good. The bench work looks very professional very well done.

Charles.Smile
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Offline Ian555  
#57 Posted : 21 October 2009 20:45:20(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Jacques
Thanks very much with the offer of some help with the track design.
I have seen some of the track layouts you have helped other forum members with and they look really good.
My own layout is being done using M track only.(I just like it.)
This brings its own problems with the size of the layout I keep running out of track.Then its back to E-bay waiting on more to turn up.Thats the position I'm in at the moment.
Thanks again
Ian
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#58 Posted : 21 October 2009 20:56:25(UTC)
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Hi Charles
Thanks,yes thats where I got the stove(its a Relax 2 model).
Still got the flue to get fitted then get the place heated up.
I have 2 woodburners in the house and with a free supply of wood I
had to have one in the log cabin.
Ian
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#59 Posted : 22 October 2009 09:52:35(UTC)
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Hi Jacques,
Out and had a look at the points area you mentioned and yes I could fit at least another 3 full length sidings using the 5100 curve after the first set of points.A case of standing to close and not being able to see the wood for the trees!!!.(plus NO computer assistance).
If the offer is still on when I get to the entrance/exit track layout
for the main station you could give it the once over for me.
Thanks again
Ian

PS. Looking for M track,electric and manual points,5200 and 3900 curves.In fact what have you got.Willing to pay top price.
Offline Rowan  
#60 Posted : 23 October 2009 22:11:14(UTC)
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Very impressive. Enjoy.

Smile
Offline Breitenfurt  
#61 Posted : 23 October 2009 22:47:09(UTC)
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Hi Ian.

What can I say other than "Wow". I cannot wait to see that the actual scenic part of the layout will look like. Kepe it going Ian. :o)

All the best,
Chris.
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#62 Posted : 24 October 2009 06:25:41(UTC)
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Hi Rowan and Chris,
Thanks,working on the helix area at the moment,where to position it
for entrance/exit tracks to connect ok.
Ian.
Offline Legless  
#63 Posted : 24 October 2009 12:20:43(UTC)
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Ian, all I can say is "nice". [:p]
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Offline Ian555  
#64 Posted : 26 October 2009 21:39:26(UTC)
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Hi all,
Couple of photo's of progress on the Helix.Still got 1 more level
to go on yet.When fitted to the baseboard its start height is where
the bottom 2 locknuts are.
Ian.
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Offline nevw  
#65 Posted : 27 October 2009 06:12:47(UTC)
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Great neat work
nn
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#66 Posted : 27 October 2009 06:55:44(UTC)
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Hi Neville,
Good morning from Scotland.
Up until I joined this forum I had never seen a Helix used for a
model Railway.I asked some questions here on the forum,and then got
loads of help from Bryan Stevenson from New Zealand.He sent me over
detailed drawings and explanations on how to erect the helix.
(thanks again Bryan).The gradient is working out at just under 3%,
although I could add another level if the Loco's struggle.
It doesn't show it in the photo's but its a fairly big structure,
being 1.25m long and 1.1m wide.I'm using 5100 and 5200 M track curves.
Ian.
Offline nevw  
#67 Posted : 27 October 2009 08:40:17(UTC)
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Ian the finished article looks great.


Mine will be a little larger. 1.2 W and 1.7 Long.

Photos when it is made.
NN

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Offline Ian555  
#68 Posted : 28 October 2009 17:11:02(UTC)
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Hi all
Some pictures of the finished Helix.I thought it only right that my
first and oldest Loco should be the first to try it.
Ian.
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#69 Posted : 28 October 2009 17:25:16(UTC)
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Your finished helix is looking fabulous, Ian! Keep up the good work.

By the way, what hardware do you use to build the helix. I mean the rods, bolts, type of plywood, etc.). Is it something that is ready made or did you make them yourself. Also, how do you adjust the grade? Elementary questions for a simple mind.

Cheers,
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Offline Caplin  
#70 Posted : 28 October 2009 18:08:49(UTC)
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WOW, what a helix.
BTW, how thick is the plywood plates (in mm please)? Do they easily "twist" in place just by adjusting the nuts, or are some other means required?
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Offline Ian555  
#71 Posted : 28 October 2009 18:57:28(UTC)
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Hi all
Another couple of photo's showing the overall position of the Helix.
Ian.
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Offline Webmaster  
#72 Posted : 28 October 2009 19:07:16(UTC)
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Will you have a manhole inside the helix too? Just in case of stuck close couplers derailing some coaches there, I mean... It looks like it's in a corner of the layout...
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline Ian555  
#73 Posted : 28 October 2009 19:38:18(UTC)
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Hi Juhan,
The board that the Helix is constructed on is 1200mm wide.I have access from both sides and so can reach in between levels to the middle,but yes I could cut an access hole just to be on the safe side.
Thanks again.
Ian.
Offline Ian555  
#74 Posted : 28 October 2009 20:01:13(UTC)
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Hi Ranjit and Benny,
Thanks,first thing I've got to say is I'm no expert in building a helix.I used good grade 6mm plyboard which has some "twist" in it.
I use the double locknuts to "fine tune" the gradient.
Hope this is some help.
Thanks again
Ian.
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#75 Posted : 28 October 2009 21:59:35(UTC)
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Good work, Keep posted.
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#76 Posted : 28 October 2009 22:20:22(UTC)
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Ian,

great progress, looks sharp! Very fitting to send your oldest first. My 3000 reigns supreme!

Regards,


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Offline Ian555  
#77 Posted : 29 October 2009 10:06:56(UTC)
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Hi Steven and Thomas,
Thanks, got bit more framework to do then start on the wiring for
the hidden station.
Ian
Offline mvd71  
#78 Posted : 29 October 2009 10:14:01(UTC)
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Looking good Ian. And I like that you used a classic 3000 for the test. That's a sign of impeccable taste.

Cheers...

Mike
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#79 Posted : 29 October 2009 10:21:58(UTC)
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Hi Mike,
Thanks, and enjoy your day on Saturday.
Ian.
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#80 Posted : 29 October 2009 12:31:02(UTC)
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Ian,
I'm amazed at the speed your layout, incl. helix come together.
Looks solid and neat.
It gives you a lot of satisfaction when you see results like this

regards.,
John
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Offline Ian555  
#81 Posted : 29 October 2009 12:39:10(UTC)
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Hi John,
Thanks,I just try and spend some time on the layout everyday.
Ian
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#82 Posted : 29 October 2009 14:51:44(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi John,
Thanks,I just try and spend some time on the layout everyday.
Ian

What I've found when I build mine, if "you at it" every day you don't loose the flow.

regards.,
John
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Offline pa-pauls  
#83 Posted : 29 October 2009 15:00:02(UTC)
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WOW [:0]

What a layout ! Very nice helix too ! I'm impressed Ian, keep up the good work and keep posting photo's pleasewink
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#84 Posted : 29 October 2009 15:08:18(UTC)
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Hi John,
The way I approach a bigger project is that I see....
Lots of small jobs instead of one large job,
that way I feel and see some movement forward.
Might not be for everyone that approach.
Ian.
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#85 Posted : 29 October 2009 16:18:35(UTC)
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Hi all,
Access hole fitted to the Helix.
Ian.
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Offline Rinus  
#86 Posted : 29 October 2009 19:06:01(UTC)
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Nice work Ian!! The work of a craftsman.

Question: are you going to use some sort of sound isolation?
Offline Ian555  
#87 Posted : 29 October 2009 19:26:12(UTC)
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Hi Evil R,
Thanks, not sure what you mean in sound isolation?
is it for...
The tracks,
Myself in the train room,
Noise in general.
Ian
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#88 Posted : 29 October 2009 22:46:09(UTC)
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Great work, Ian.
Thanks for the good inspiration.

I suppose that Evil R refers to some kind of noise insulation between the track and the plywood.

What's the gradient of you helix, or how much do you climb per revolution?

Edited by user 29 October 2009 22:52:14(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#89 Posted : 30 October 2009 01:38:04(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi John,
The way I approach a bigger project is that I see....
Lots of small jobs instead of one large job,
that way I feel and see some movement forward.
Might not be for everyone that approach.
Ian.

This is interesting.
I made the same approach.
My layout measuring almost 13m x 5m was errected in a garage.
the layout was broken up into 19 modules.
the maximum modules (2400mmx1200mm) I could assemble was 2.
I think if I would of looked at the big picture I never would of started.
With you building your train house and layout, you most probably took it step by step and concentrating on your current or daily task.
this way one does'nt get discouraged by assuming its either impossible, too big or too stressful.
When I look back (29 years or so) I'm still asking myself how did I do it and I have no regrets, enjoyed every minute of it.

My layout was designed on a piece of paper (rough sketch) and soon found out, by using all the turnouts I intended, the layout construction (in practice) had to be extended by another module on both sides of course.[:0] and this was the last thing I wanted.

Your access hole (Helix):
Can you actually put your head and arm through ?

regards.,
John

Edited by user 30 October 2009 01:43:57(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Ian555  
#90 Posted : 30 October 2009 04:32:58(UTC)
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Hi Svein,
Thanks,the helix climbs 95mm each revolution.The distance travelled
on the outside track (up track) is 3.25m.I reckon thats under 3%.
Ian
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#91 Posted : 30 October 2009 04:42:22(UTC)
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Hi John,
Thanks for your input,the only difference is starting at the age I am
now,not so sure I've got 29 years to finish it Smilebiggrinbiggrin
And I'm still working from sketches on bits of paper!!
Ian
Offline Rinus  
#92 Posted : 30 October 2009 08:12:28(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi Evil R,
Thanks, not sure what you mean in sound isolation?
is it for...
The tracks,
Myself in the train room,
Noise in general.
Ian



Yes I ment the tracks. M-track on plywood can produce quite some noise. But then again that also has its charm.

You really got me inspired though. Im also thinking about creating some room like you did: trains only.
Offline mvd71  
#93 Posted : 30 October 2009 08:49:14(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

I fully intend to enjoy myself on saturday, and hopefully catch up with a few friends.

Cheers....

Mike.

P.S. Try not land any trains through the manhole ;-)
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#94 Posted : 30 October 2009 09:06:09(UTC)
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Hi EvilR
I to enjoy the "sound" of M track.With the "train room" in the garden
then I'll be the only one that will hear it.
Thanks again.
Ian.
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#95 Posted : 30 October 2009 11:43:10(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Ian555
<br />Hi John,
Thanks for your input,the only difference is starting at the age I am
now,not so sure I've got 29 years to finish it Smilebiggrinbiggrin
And I'm still working from sketches on bits of paper!!
Ian

We've finished about 1984. so all up 4 years.
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Offline Caplin  
#96 Posted : 30 October 2009 14:06:34(UTC)
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Quote:
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<br />I to enjoy the "sound" of M track.With the "train room" in the garden then I'll be the only one that will hear it.
Great, and you cannot hear the FD calling!! biggrin
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Offline Breitenfurt  
#97 Posted : 30 October 2009 15:58:21(UTC)
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Hi Ian. Excellent progress I see. Keep it going.

All the best,
Chris.
Offline Ian555  
#98 Posted : 30 October 2009 16:34:13(UTC)
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Hi all
I didn't get much done today,had some visitors.
Ian
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Offline Ian555  
#99 Posted : 30 October 2009 17:27:30(UTC)
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Hi Benny and Chris,
Thanks, had a transformer connected up and ran some of the Loco's
round the hidden station for the first time.
Ian.
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#100 Posted : 30 October 2009 18:31:25(UTC)
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Hi Ian,

The work really looks GREAT[:0]

My congratulationsSmile...
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