Hi All,

I am looking at ordering a couple SBB Re 460 in different liveries from Roco.I have being going through my Roco 2008/2009 Catalog and have come across the IC 2000 Double Decker coaches which hopefully is still available to purchase.Which coaches in the range in specific would one order to have a prototypical trainset?

I also came across a Panoramic Passenger Coach which I would love to have if still available.What other passenger coaches together with the panoramic (If I can get one) would be appropriately matched to have a prototypical train set.Hope I got that this right[:p]

I haven't seen these trains in real life and searching though the internet is not giving much information, so I seek some advise from the experts.

Kind Regards

Sathish

Satish: A very common consist for an Re 460 is pulling a bunch of IC 2000 coaches with a driving car on the end making it a doppelstock pendelzug (double decker push-pull train). The post right below yours lists some good compositions using the Roco IC 2000s. I have some of those, and like them very much. One warning is that they are longer than normal Maerklin coaches. Also, I have found that occasionally the buffers from the coaches get snagged on the Re 460 buffers causing derailments on curves and turnouts.

There are also nice IC 2000's from HAG, but I think they are not 1:87. So, you can use either HAG or Roco but mixing and matching will be a bit problematic.--MM

Hello Sathish,

if you are interested in the IC2000 coaches from Roco, you may wish to act fast as my information is that these models are to be discontinued.

As far as any problem in coupling between the coaches and the lok, I have decided to opt for the Fleischmann Profi Coupler (6515) between the coaches and for a Roco Univeral Coupler between the AD and the lok. The ROco Universal Coupler adds an extra mm or two between the lok and the first coach, which eliminates the danger of the buffers hitting in curves.

The shortest IC 2000 consist that I have seen was 5 coaches (Zuerich-Luzern (no diner). The normal consist (short) consisted of 7 coaches

Re 460 - AD - A - WR - B - B - B - Bt

On longer runs (ie Romanshorn to Interlaken or St Gallen to Geneva), these trains will have additional coaches. The maximum length (AFAIR) is 14 coaches. Some of the trains have add-on segments composed of second pilot coach and one or two coaches. These coaches are often detached at a station along the way and then travel to a different destination before returning to rejoin the main train in the other direction later.

I did order two of the pilot coaches from Zuba-Tech/Barp-Tech/Zueri-Tech converted for AC. I don't know which one of the stores in the former Zuba-Tech group did the conversions, but I believe that they were shipped from Winterthur at that time.

Another possible consist for a Re 460 would be the EN "Luna" Sets from ACME (55034 and 55035).
Photos here:
http://www.tecnomodel-treni.it/...ina=details&id=19659
http://www.tecnomodel-treni.it/...ina=details&id=19660

You can also use SNCB (Belgian) Eurofima coaches (EC Vauban), DB EC coaches (Various ECs), CNL Sleepers and many other consists behind the Re 460.)

The Apm Panorama coach could in the past be found with SBB, DB, OBB and FS coaches in EC and IC trains. Today, it is mainly found in IR (Interregio) trains along the Gotthard as well as on the EC Transalpin (Basel-Vienna). The current IR trains on the Gotthard are made up of a mish-mash of SBB rolling stock (EC, EWIV, UIC and EWII)

Regards

Mike C

Wow,great pics and advice from everyone.

Just got bad news from my dealer that all the double decker coaches including the panoramic coach SOLD OUT [:(]

Whatever was available I have ordered being 44770 44771 45836

He will check to see if they can be found anywhere if not I will have to wait and see if Roco at some stage reproduces these.

Thanks to everyone again

Lutz-great pictures...thanks for posting them!

The Bpm UIC as shown in the photo are not being refurbished any more. These coaches will spend the rest of their existence in the green-white (EWIV or IC) livery. Some surplus coaches have been rented to other railroads, including the OBB and possibly the Montafonerbahn in Austria and FNM in Italy.

The 42163 is actually a feeble attempt to represent the UIC-Z Bpm which was ordered by the SBB around 1979. This coach looks like the Eurofima and DB Apmz coach, but is not identical. RailTop (Heris) had 1:87 correct models of this coach type under the numbers 13020/21/23/25/26/27. Liliput had a model of the Bpm UIC 1972 as number 388224.
LS Models has announced a 1:87 model of a coach of the same type as the Liliput model for late 2009/early 2010.

Roco has rereleased the EWIV coaches in 1:93 but they have never made the pilot coach in this scale. At present, aside from the HAG IC2000 and the Fleischmann S-Bahn coaches, there are no other SBB models in 1:93 on the market.

Here are some other (rare) SBB models:

37344 with Wabu SOB VoralpenExpress (Liliput) coach


Hag 280 My Switzerland with Wabu Cisalpino Coach (Roco)


Lemaco HO-012/3 with RailTop BDt
I plan to power the RBe using a decoder installed into the pilot coach or use it with DC Catenary.

Regards

Mike C

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Hi spillay,

Yes, an Re 450 from HAG is the perfect match for the Fleischmann coaches mentioned in your last post.

If you put the consist together, the 1st/2nd class car (513301) belongs between the pilot car and the 2nd class car, with the 1st class compartments facing the pilot car.

Thanks Unholz,

I have placed order for the Re 450,expected delivery is October.

I have now 4 orders from HAG 2009 Catalogue and none of them have been released to date.Is this how HAG normally releases items?

Perhaps you know better

Thanks

Well, currently most of the staff are completely absorbed with the production of the new GTW 2/6 railcar sets. However, quite a number of items listed in the 2009 have already been released. But a bit of waiting has always been the fate of HAG customers...

Hey Spillay,

If you are still looking for a consist for a Re 460 and if you are using large enough radii, I strongly recommend the new ACME Set 55034, which consists of two SBB couchettes (Bcm) and two Italian sleeping cars (WLAB) which make up the EN "Luna" from Zuerich to Rome via Bern - Loetschberg - Brig (merged with segment from Geneva) and on to Milano and Rome via the Simplon. ACME sells three additional coaches as set 55035 (1 Bcm from Zuerich, 1 from Geneva and 1 WLAB from Geneva). These are the nicest Swiss models in my collection at this moment, and rival the Roco IC2000 for details.

Nice photos at trenietreni.it and in my posting in the HO scale forum.

Here is how the consist appears:
http://www.reisezuege.ch...action=5&znummer=313

Regards

Mike C