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Offline river6109  
#1 Posted : 01 June 2009 16:47:52(UTC)
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Summary:
The stiff coupling needs a wider sideway movement.
The coupling has to go as far as the middle of the buffer to be able to conquer industrial curves.

This section had to be cut out to be able to insert Fleischmann coupling and to obtain free sideway movement.
My first attempt to shave off the coupling shaft is ok but plastic can be a bit brittle so I've decided to opt for option 2 and hackle the metal parts.
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Option 2: filed away metal parts instead of coupling shaft
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<font face="Times New Roman]Fleischmann 4 pin electrical coupling, they may not be able to manage industrial curves (buffers touch)</font id="Times New Roman]


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<font face="Times New Roman]Interior led's (yellow)
Have changed them to brighter led's
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Märklin coupling shaft.
The shaft has been slightly altered to be able to have a greater movement sideways (sharper curves and s-curves.</font id="Times New Roman]

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<font face="Times New Roman]Here you can see the restriction the coupling shaft has to be able to have a greater movement sideways.
will show you updated photo soon
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<font face="Times New Roman]front headlight and marker light, the person who is familiar with this railcar would now the light arrangement with bulbs. I have used both bulb latches and soldered a wire across of it and used this as a neutral connection for both red and white led.</font id="Times New Roman]
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<font face="Times New Roman]Arrangement of how to wire a led holder.
there are 2 sockets and 2 holes in a bulb/led holder.
by moving the led holder in such a position to have the hole and the socket in a vertical position.
can be changed to suit your own combination. (+ = -)
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<font face="Times New Roman]4 wires soldered to electical coupling</font id="Times New Roman]
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<font face="Times New Roman]Closeup view of headlight, cross connection of bulb latches.</font id="Times New Roman]
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<font face="Times New Roman]Closeup view of marker light</font id="Times New Roman]
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<font face="Times New Roman]4 wires soldered to electrical coupling.
front frame has been cut on an angle to allow coupling to have a greater sidemovement
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<font face="Times New Roman]Closeup view for marker light</font id="Times New Roman]
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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 01 June 2009 18:04:28(UTC)
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Interesting conversion. Thanks for showing us your highly informative pictures.
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Offline jvuye  
#3 Posted : 01 June 2009 18:20:42(UTC)
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Impressive John, very impressive!
I love the craftsmanship!
I wish we'd live a little closer to each otherwinkbiggrin, we'd be having sooo much fun with the two mad doctors performing these kind of "surgeries" and "implants" together!!
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!
Cheers
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Offline mmervine  
#4 Posted : 01 June 2009 18:36:26(UTC)
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Really nice work...thanks for sharing!!!
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Offline river6109  
#5 Posted : 01 June 2009 19:46:20(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by RayPayas
<br />Interesting conversion. Thanks for showing us your highly informative pictures.

Thanks Ray,
There is fun and frustration doing these conversions.
For instance, yesterday, I could'nt get the interior lights going.
Using a multimeter I've found out there was no power going to the led's bejond the resistor. after I've found the fault the led's (yellow) are too weak to shine through.
So I've started again with different led's.(white-yellow)
They ok now but the interior led's in the motorcar are white -white so I have to change them to same colour.
the fun is I'm getting somewere, slowly but surely.
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Offline river6109  
#6 Posted : 01 June 2009 19:56:28(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by jvuye
<br />Impressive John, very impressive!
I love the craftsmanship!
I wish we'd live a little closer to each otherwinkbiggrin, we'd be having sooo much fun with the two mad doctors performing these kind of "surgeries" and "implants" together!!
Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk!
Cheers

I enjoy it when I find newer and simpler and cleaner ways of converting locos or passenger carriages.

Well you would be well situated with your upcoming or already running guesthouse.

I could imagine, your customers having an overnight stay while their loco is having a surgery, operation or as you say: implants.

Doctor Jacques to Patient's relative: Yes, everything went well, the operation was successful, all the implants working to our specifications and the surgery was difficult at one stage but our professional team, one member from Australia did also a tremendous job.
We are planning a trip to the UK next year and hopefully we may come past. Do I need my tools ?
CoolCoolCoolbiggrinbiggrinbiggrin

regards.,
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Offline river6109  
#7 Posted : 01 June 2009 19:59:00(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by mmervine
<br />Really nice work...thanks for sharing!!!


Thanks for you compliment.

I hope it may encourage others to explore these options

regards.,
John
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Offline nevw  
#8 Posted : 02 June 2009 01:51:54(UTC)
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Nice work John.
Nev
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Offline intruder  
#9 Posted : 02 June 2009 03:14:33(UTC)
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Very good, John.

Thanks for the idea with the four-pole couplers. A good idea for my 3028+4028 set.
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 02 June 2009 04:28:23(UTC)
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<br />Very good, John.

Thanks for the idea with the four-pole couplers. A good idea for my 3028+4028 set.


Thanks for the comment
There is one problem, its not the 4 pole coupler it's the coupling shaft.
I'll download some pictures and show how it has to be modified.

regards., John
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Offline river6109  
#11 Posted : 02 June 2009 04:29:47(UTC)
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Quote:
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<br />Nice work John.
Nev


Thanks Nev
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Offline contrans  
#12 Posted : 24 June 2009 16:57:00(UTC)
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"Horrible" conversion.

Better think of a second Lokpilot FX or similar function-decoder in the 4028. The Fleischman 4pole couplers have nearly the same price as the decoder has...

contrans
Offline river6109  
#13 Posted : 24 June 2009 18:19:35(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by contrans
<br />"Horrible" conversion.

Better think of a second Lokpilot FX or similar function-decoder in the 4028. The Fleischman 4pole couplers have nearly the same price as the decoder has...

contrans

the Fleischmann couplings are nowhere near a price of an ESU fx decoder.
My objective was and is to add as many "Beiwagen" to the motorcar.
The outside conversion is not even noticable so I don't know what you mean by "horrible".
I take your point of an ESU fx decoder, this would not eliminate electrical couplings unless you prefer a pickupshoe in every "Beiwagen" (unmotorized railcar), which I do not.

It is also noticable after 2 comments to the forum. you derive to such conclusion.

What we normally do, is, suggest an other option is available.



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Offline contrans  
#14 Posted : 24 June 2009 20:33:19(UTC)
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The outside conversion is not even noticable so I don't know what you mean by "horrible".


I don't agree. Modifying the shell that way ist always worse and in this case not nescessary. Here is what I did years ago (early digital age) to convert my 3076 (ancessor to the 3028/4028):
Take the normal coupler, a little work with a sharp knife at the bottom side, then couple them together and glue electronic pins below them. The female pins should be mouted at the motorized car, if you want to pull other wagons.

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3 pins should be sufficient for interior light, front & rear signals.
Costs: Some pennies.

contrans
Offline river6109  
#15 Posted : 24 June 2009 20:42:51(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109

The outside conversion is not even noticable so I don't know what you mean by "horrible".


I don't agree. Modifying the shell that way ist always worse and in this case not nescessary. Here is what I did years ago (early digital age) to convert my 3076 (ancessor to the 3028/4028):
Take the normal coupler, a little work with a sharp knife at the bottom side, then couple them together and glue electronic pins below them. The female pins should be mouted at the motorized car, if you want to pull other wagons.

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3 pins should be sufficient for interior light, front & rear signals.
Costs: Some pennies.

contrans

I'm quite happy with my conversion, thank you very much.
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Offline RayF  
#16 Posted : 24 June 2009 21:39:46(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by contrans
<br />"Horrible" conversion.

Better think of a second Lokpilot FX or similar function-decoder in the 4028. The Fleischman 4pole couplers have nearly the same price as the decoder has...

contrans


We try to be polite with our evaluation of our members contributions. If you have a better way of doing something, open your own thread, and link to it from here, showing it as an alternative method.
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Offline intruder  
#17 Posted : 24 June 2009 22:32:31(UTC)
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One other thing, John:

I have seen the two extra holes in the grey bulb holder many times, but never thought of your idea to use all the holes for two LEDs or bulbs.

Thanks once more for good ideas.

Regarding the coupler holder, would it be sufficiant to install the metal holder backwards, as the pivoting hole is not in the center?
Do you have a part number for the holder?
Best regards Svein, Norway
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Offline river6109  
#18 Posted : 25 June 2009 14:38:26(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by contrans
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109

The outside conversion is not even noticable so I don't know what you mean by "horrible".


I don't agree. Modifying the shell that way ist always worse and in this case not nescessary. Here is what I did years ago (early digital age) to convert my 3076 (ancessor to the 3028/4028):
Take the normal coupler, a little work with a sharp knife at the bottom side, then couple them together and glue electronic pins below them. The female pins should be mouted at the motorized car, if you want to pull other wagons.

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3 pins should be sufficient for interior light, front & rear signals.
Costs: Some pennies.

contrans


Andi,
Any suggestions how I could fit the fx decoder ?
There is enough room for the light assembly but can't envisage fitting a fx decoder aswell.
some help would be appreciated.

John
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Offline river6109  
#19 Posted : 25 June 2009 15:20:48(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by intruder
<br />One other thing, John:

I have seen the two extra holes in the grey bulb holder many times, but never thought of your idea to use all the holes for two LEDs or bulbs.

Thanks once more for good ideas.

Regarding the coupler holder, would it be sufficiant to install the metal holder backwards, as the pivoting hole is not in the center?
Do you have a part number for the holder?



Svein,
No,
the reason for it, because the hole is not in the centre (coupler holder), if you reverse it the hole does'nt line up with the hole on the chassis.
I tried this and found out quickly it does'nt work that way.

Another option would be, if you find identical shafts (but these ones that I've used, are normally used as an exchange for the old couplings. e.g BR 120

When you say coupler holder do you mean shortcoupling shaft
The holder number is: 671860.

The first thought I had was getting an electrical coupling, having converted most of my locos with new coupling shafts: BR 152, Br 120, Br 151, Br 218, Rh 1043 (ÖBB), I did'nt think they needed such a wide sidemovement. (s-curves)
I've only put them onto the track last week and found out that the coupling shaft and coupling holder in its original form is'nt going to work.
I also tried to avoid to alter the coupling shaft being plastic and use the metal holder, but this was'nt sufficient either.
So both parts have to be altered.
Andi's comment about using a fx decoder sounds great but I can't see if one fits into the small space provided by the light assembly.

It is always easy to say in hineside what could or should of been done.

I try to work things through before starting with any alterations and also try to avoid to change the loco, carriage and keep it as much in in its original glory form.

The original wire connection between carriages was not reliable with derailments (wires too stiff).
The other inconvenience was, if you wanted to seperated them you had to take the housing off, everytime.

Having started the conversion I did'nt want to half finish it or abandon it, so one has to get on with the job as best as one can do and try to find solutions on the way.

Another comment I like to make, although the cutting out and trimming looks a bit rough on the photo, it is not noticable at all when you look at it, at normal size.
And I don't look at my trains from the bottom up, with other words you can't see it anyhow.

The led's I arrange them in such a way (2 in line)that the (+) + (-)are pressed into the bulbholder and the other two leads are soldered together on the reverse side.

I hope this helps.

regards.,
John
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Offline contrans  
#20 Posted : 25 June 2009 18:31:09(UTC)
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Hello John,

the lopi fx has an ideal size to fix it just below the center bulb.

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In my case no futher fix was nescessary. You might also wrist a tape around the bulp carrier.

I prefer the original bulbs, but therefore need additional boosters...Using leds is much more energy-saving.

andi_z

Offline river6109  
#21 Posted : 26 June 2009 14:53:14(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by contrans
<br />Hello John,

the lopi fx has an ideal size to fix it just below the center bulb.

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In my case no futher fix was nescessary. You might also wrist a tape around the bulp carrier.

I prefer the original bulbs, but therefore need additional boosters...Using leds is much more energy-saving.

andi_z




Andi,

Mh, looks interesting.

The other thing I would be worried about, is the heat from the globe, this depends how long your trains run at anyone time.
But all you would need is a resistor to replace the bulb.

With the short coupling shaft I do loose a bit of space between the buffers.

to tell you the truth I'm not 100% happy with the conversion, not so much what I've done but what I cannot do.
If for instance you have 3 or 4 unmotorized railcars, how do I have only one railcar with headlights.

Your idea with a fx decoder may resolve the problem.

But how ?
Lightfunction: headlight - markerlight motor. Railcar
Aux 1: Interior lights
Aux 2: headlight for unmotor. railcar 2
Aux 3: headlight for unmotor. railcar 3
Aux 4: headlight for unmotor. railcar 4
Lightfunction for unmotor. railcar 4: markerlight.

But than you would have problems with Aux. 3 and Aux 4
Lokpilot Aux 3: half speed
Aux 4: shunting mode: on

regards.,
John



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Offline contrans  
#22 Posted : 26 June 2009 15:49:02(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109

If for instance you have 3 or 4 unmotorized railcars, how do I have only one railcar with headlights.

Your idea with a fx decoder may resolve the problem.

But how ?
Lightfunction: headlight - markerlight motor. Railcar
Aux 1: Interior lights
Aux 2: headlight for unmotor. railcar 2
Aux 3: headlight for unmotor. railcar 3
Aux 4: headlight for unmotor. railcar 4
Lightfunction for unmotor. railcar 4: markerlight.

But than you would have problems with Aux. 3 and Aux 4
Lokpilot Aux 3: half speed
Aux 4: shunting mode: on

regards.,
John


John,

this is no problem while using the Lopi FX or other decoders that support function mapping.

Regarding older decoders you are limited to F1-F4 and fixed functions:
F1 activates Aux1
F2 activates Aux2
...

With function mapping you are able to select which F1-F15 activates the Aux1-4 - Functions.

You might select the following scheme:

All decoders programmed to the same address.
Decoder railcar #1:
F1 - Aux1
F2 - Aux2
F3 - Aux3
F4 - Aux4

Decoder railcar #2:
F5 - Aux1
F6 - Aux2
F7 - Aux3
F8 - Aux4

Decoder railcar #3:
F9 - Aux1
F10 - Aux2
F11 - Aux3
F12 - Aux4

Decoder railcar #4:
F13 - Aux1
F14 - Aux2
F15 - Aux3
(Lopi Fx limited to 15 functions)

This is done by changing the cv- Values higher than 153.
Example: If you don't want to use shunting speed at F3, but want to use Aux3, just change the relevat values for the protocol order "Function F3":

cv159=16 (that means activate Aux3, instead of 0)
cv160=0 (instead of 2, 2 means shunting -&gt; shunting speed off)
cv161=16 (that means activate Aux3, instead of 0)
cv162=0 (instead of 2, 2 means shunting -&gt;shunting speed off))

There are 4 CV values for each function.

You might have a look at the manual http://www.esu.eu/uploads/tx_es...ers_Manual_Edition_6.pdf

Regards,
andi_z


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#23 Posted : 26 June 2009 19:52:53(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by contrans
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by river6109

If for instance you have 3 or 4 unmotorized railcars, how do I have only one railcar with headlights.

Your idea with a fx decoder may resolve the problem.

But how ?
Lightfunction: headlight - markerlight motor. Railcar
Aux 1: Interior lights
Aux 2: headlight for unmotor. railcar 2
Aux 3: headlight for unmotor. railcar 3
Aux 4: headlight for unmotor. railcar 4
Lightfunction for unmotor. railcar 4: markerlight.

But than you would have problems with Aux. 3 and Aux 4
Lokpilot Aux 3: half speed
Aux 4: shunting mode: on

regards.,
John


John,

this is no problem while using the Lopi FX or other decoders that support function mapping.

Regarding older decoders you are limited to F1-F4 and fixed functions:
F1 activates Aux1
F2 activates Aux2
...

With function mapping you are able to select which F1-F15 activates the Aux1-4 - Functions.

You might select the following scheme:

All decoders programmed to the same address.
Decoder railcar #1:
F1 - Aux1
F2 - Aux2
F3 - Aux3
F4 - Aux4

Decoder railcar #2:
F5 - Aux1
F6 - Aux2
F7 - Aux3
F8 - Aux4

Decoder railcar #3:
F9 - Aux1
F10 - Aux2
F11 - Aux3
F12 - Aux4

Decoder railcar #4:
F13 - Aux1
F14 - Aux2
F15 - Aux3
(Lopi Fx limited to 15 functions)

This is done by changing the cv- Values higher than 153.
Example: If you don't want to use shunting speed at F3, but want to use Aux3, just change the relevat values for the protocol order "Function F3":

cv159=16 (that means activate Aux3, instead of 0)
cv160=0 (instead of 2, 2 means shunting -&gt; shunting speed off)
cv161=16 (that means activate Aux3, instead of 0)
cv162=0 (instead of 2, 2 means shunting -&gt;shunting speed off))

There are 4 CV values for each function.

You might have a look at the manual http://www.esu.eu/uploads/tx_es...ers_Manual_Edition_6.pdf

Regards,
andi_z




Andi,
I've got a lokprogrammer so I should be able to follow your instructions.

I did'nt know one was able to cancel these functions Aux 3 + Aux 4.
Thanks.

John
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