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Offline Alsterstreek  
#101 Posted : 06 November 2014 23:59:17(UTC)
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The M* dealer at Oeiras has thousands of wheels. He measured the Athearn ones (12 mm diameter) and tried Brawa, Roco and Maerklin sets until finally Mabar of Spain 11.5 mm diameter wheels matched. He exchanged the wheels and taught me how remove the shell. Thus, I could - as requested by Juha - try to fit the Athearn PB shell on a M* PA body: Does not fit, because it is too short - see pic (M* body in the middle).
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#102 Posted : 07 November 2014 00:14:26(UTC)
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Couplers: I drilled a small hole into the coupler bar sticking out of the trucks, respectively. Then I inserted a thin black M* 74990 screw (actually meant to fix C track) and cut off the excessively long ends to avoid C track center stub contact - see pic 1.Like that coupling with standard M* short couplers and Frateschi couplers is possible. Both, Mabar wheel sets (see post above) and "customized hook couplers" allow the Athearn PB unit to run on R1. The Athearn metal under carriage has a rounded end on one side, probably to allow mounting of a PA shell. Funnily, the PB unit runs best with a trailing rounded end, the latter one facing the train to be pulled. When track is laid thoroughly, it negotiates R1 curves, S curves and all types of turnouts - not as smoothly as M* material, but still good enough. On a scale of one to ten, I would give it an eight or a nine. I had an Alco PA-PB consist pull a six-car Frateschi streamliner train. The first Frateschi coach needs some extra ballast on the first truck to avoid derailing (but that is also necessary with "regular" M* locos). The close-coupling effect is very nice - see pic 2. The latter shows the PB unit equipped with bulleye window panes.

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#103 Posted : 07 November 2014 23:59:34(UTC)
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Et voilà: The NYC PA arrived.
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#104 Posted : 08 November 2014 00:06:24(UTC)
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And the M* PA paint scheme does not match the Athearn PB paint scheme. I noted that the prototype underbelly paint differs from loco to loco. The M* PA matches a prototype photo of the real road number 4210 (which is a PA-2). So am pondering if I should pretend that this is a PB-1 which happens to have black trucks and a faded paint. I guess that I am going to spray the PB trucks in silver. That should already mitigate the situation. At least regarding height and length they form a perfect couple.
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#105 Posted : 08 November 2014 04:30:47(UTC)
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Perfect couple.ThumpUp
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#106 Posted : 08 November 2014 13:15:52(UTC)
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NYC Alco PA/PB colors: Now I got myself into something. Photos of NYC PA locos are hard to come by. On photos, both black-and-white and color shots, it is very hard to be sure of the color of the trucks - faded black vs. dirty silver. For Alco PAs, #4201 appears to have had black trucks in 1950, and silver trucks in 1956. #4200 and #4202 both had silver trucks in 1953. #4211 had black trucks in 1964. All units I found had the classic passenger lightning stripe paint (thus none of the early or later variants). So it seems that the standard was black trucks until about 1952. From 1952 through 1958, trucks were silver. Sometime after, black became the norm again. Few photos on the Fallen Flags website (see 4200 series): http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/nyc/nyc-loco.html
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#107 Posted : 08 November 2014 16:29:57(UTC)
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Big NYC Alco PA/PB service day today. Since the motor emitted sparks and fumes, I dismantled the motor, cleaned it, replaced the carbon sticks ("Kohlenbuerstenpaar"), lubricated relevant spots and re-assembled the motor. Now it is a smooth runner again.

So I asked the younger generation what to do regarding the black PB unit trucks, and the answer was: the PB trucks got to be silver, too. And right the younger generation is. Look at the beautiful outcome on the pic. I am really happy with my spray painting job.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#108 Posted : 12 November 2014 19:46:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
ATSF PA´s were seen pulling fruit express trains in Southern California after the mail contract was lost in the late 1960s.


And in Oklahoma in 1959:
http://www.railpictures....hp?id=50098&nseq=101

Research credits go to BrandonVA:
https://www.marklin-user...cture-of.aspx#post473245
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#109 Posted : 06 December 2014 10:28:58(UTC)
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St. Nicholas Day - snowy season's greetings
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#110 Posted : 10 December 2014 22:42:42(UTC)
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An ATSF Alco PA twin-set at Chicago´s Dearborn Station.
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#111 Posted : 28 December 2014 15:46:10(UTC)
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Winter theme:
Former Santa Fe Alco PA in upstate New York before being re-painted as Delaware & Hudson loco.
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#112 Posted : 28 December 2014 15:50:45(UTC)
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Same as above, photographed from a different angle.
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#113 Posted : 29 December 2014 10:37:27(UTC)
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And a pair of ATSF PA's in the snow.
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#114 Posted : 29 December 2014 10:45:57(UTC)
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And a pair of D&H (née ATSF) Alco PA's in the snow.
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Offline jvuye  
#115 Posted : 29 December 2014 10:50:29(UTC)
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Cool topic!
After re-reading this thread I am trying to think on what to do with a lack of Märklin corresponding UP PB unit, to complete my PA pair...
What have you started now? (again!!) BigGrin
Cheers
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Offline Brakeman  
#116 Posted : 01 January 2015 00:33:02(UTC)
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Happy New Year all Alco PA fans, specially Ak!

I was lucky to visit the Oregon Rail Heritage Center in Portland and meet the one of two surviving PAs in U.S. . Born as ATSF 62-L and now beautifully getting restored as NKP 190. A touching moment for a Märklin PA fan!

http://www.nkp190.com/index.html
http://www.orhf.org/

Regards,
Juha
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Offline foumaro  
#117 Posted : 01 January 2015 05:19:21(UTC)
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Thank you for the perfect photos of my favorite locomotive.LOL Love BigGrin ThumpUp
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Offline BrandonVA  
#118 Posted : 15 January 2015 18:41:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
And a pair of D&H (née ATSF) Alco PA's in the snow.


Notice the A-A configuration here!

-Brandon
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#119 Posted : 15 January 2015 21:59:21(UTC)
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Here a single D&H Alco PA in the snow.
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#120 Posted : 31 January 2015 12:05:04(UTC)
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A NYC Alco PA in the snow, as it is still wintertime in the Northern Hemisphere.
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#121 Posted : 31 January 2015 16:47:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brakeman Go to Quoted Post
I was lucky to visit the Oregon Rail Heritage Center in Portland and meet the one of two surviving PAs in U.S. . Born as ATSF 62-L and now beautifully getting restored as NKP 190. A touching moment for a Märklin PA fan!


As it is the season: Nickel Plate PAs in the snow.

:-)
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#122 Posted : 31 January 2015 20:32:19(UTC)
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As anyone found a photo of a Alco PA pulling the Wabash Bluebird passenger train?
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#123 Posted : 01 February 2015 12:11:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cwp_marklin Go to Quoted Post
As anyone found a photo of a Alco PA pulling the Wabash Bluebird passenger train?


See here:
http://photovalet.com/385037
http://photovalet.com/385038
http://photovalet.com/385039

And below (of course in the snow, since it is the season):
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#124 Posted : 08 February 2015 13:45:03(UTC)
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Still wintertime in Santa Fe's Alco PA territory.
:-)
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#125 Posted : 14 February 2015 12:37:41(UTC)
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Still wintertime in NYC Alco PA territory.
:-)
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#126 Posted : 16 February 2015 20:24:59(UTC)
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ATSF Alco PA in San Bernardino shop.
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#127 Posted : 18 February 2015 21:04:48(UTC)
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ATSF Alco PA - lateral plan
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#128 Posted : 21 February 2015 17:24:55(UTC)
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NYC Alco PA x 2.
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#129 Posted : 22 February 2015 20:29:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Brakeman Go to Quoted Post
I was lucky to visit the Oregon Rail Heritage Center in Portland and meet the one of two surviving PAs in U.S. . Born as ATSF 62-L and now beautifully getting restored as NKP 190. A touching moment for a Märklin PA fan!


That is how the ex-ATSF/ex-D&H loco - the one in front - looked like before the resurrection as NKP.
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#130 Posted : 22 February 2015 22:03:05(UTC)
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Crying
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#131 Posted : 28 February 2015 13:50:25(UTC)
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NKP Alco PA in Chicago, 1963
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#132 Posted : 28 February 2015 14:21:28(UTC)
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Another pair of NKP Alcos.
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#133 Posted : 21 March 2015 11:57:27(UTC)
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NYC Alco PA with black trucks.
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#134 Posted : 25 March 2015 20:09:02(UTC)
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...with silver trucks...
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#135 Posted : 25 April 2015 12:45:17(UTC)
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ATSF
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#136 Posted : 12 May 2015 18:21:04(UTC)
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SP washday 1956 in Oakland.
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#137 Posted : 13 May 2015 09:45:56(UTC)
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SP washday 1956 in Oakland.


Marklin 37613 Alco Pa1 model is 6005 and 6006 units.ThumpUp Wub
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#138 Posted : 13 May 2015 18:13:16(UTC)
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SP on tour.
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#139 Posted : 13 May 2015 23:06:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: cwp_marklin Go to Quoted Post
As anyone found a photo of a Alco PA pulling the Wabash Bluebird passenger train?


See here:
http://photovalet.com/385037
http://photovalet.com/385038
http://photovalet.com/385039

And below (of course in the snow, since it is the season):


Yes, I did it - see pic.

The Alco PA paint scheme differs from the Maerklin one and it runs together with an EMD E unit, but - except for heavyweight head end cars - the streamliner coaches nicely match the Maerklin set.
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#140 Posted : 14 May 2015 14:26:07(UTC)
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Wabash Alco PA locos in St. Louis sporting the paint scheme modeled by Maerklin.
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#141 Posted : 14 May 2015 14:49:27(UTC)
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Here a single Wabash PA with desired paint scheme.
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#142 Posted : 14 May 2015 14:51:17(UTC)
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Maybe to go with this Blue Bird consist?
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#143 Posted : 14 May 2015 15:22:37(UTC)
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Should be amazing to travel on that last wagon...

Woot

Nice one.

Cheers.

Walter


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#144 Posted : 14 May 2015 15:32:39(UTC)
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Hello,

What would be a suitable decoder to replace the one used by the 37610/49610 locos consist?

I want to install a DCC (or mfx) decoder instead of the old motorola decoder.

Thanks.
Danilo Jiménez
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#145 Posted : 15 May 2015 11:35:24(UTC)
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Here some other Wabash PA (in "Maerklin-compatible" livery) hauled passenger trains:

(1) The Cannonball
(2) The Midnight (1960 in St. Louis)
(3) Unknown train at Chicago (1961 in Chicago)
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#146 Posted : 23 May 2015 12:13:44(UTC)
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Demonstrating huge SP Alco PA size.
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#147 Posted : 25 July 2015 03:46:33(UTC)
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D&H Alco PA´s pulled freight, too.
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#148 Posted : 25 July 2015 03:55:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
So ..... for the uninitiated, apart from an incremented number, what is the difference.Huh


Two models were offered:

PA-1/PB-1 = 2,000 hp (1,500 kW)
PA-2/PB-2 = 2,250 hp (1,680 kW)

Unlike the PA-2, the PA-1 had an "eyebrow" trim piece on the grille behind the cab and a porthole window behind the radiator shutters. Later PA-2/PB-2 versions featured a water-cooled turbocharger and other engine compartment changes.

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For illustration: SP 6028 is a PA-2 and SP 6008 is a PA-1.
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#149 Posted : 26 July 2015 21:56:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: waorb Go to Quoted Post
Should be amazing to travel on that last wagon...

Woot

Nice one.

Cheers.

Walter




When I was in Halifax, Canada two weeks ago I was allowed to enter a end car. It´s an Amazing car in reality but it feels very small when you´re inside. The conductor told me that you could travel in the dome part if you paid extra Money. You could get the sense of luxury even when the car didn´t move.
In a few compartments you could move the walls and have a bigger compartment. The train also included a transit car between the streamliner end car and the newer cars.
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#150 Posted : 29 July 2015 22:32:04(UTC)
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Sorry... Just a little bit OT but as we talk about streamliner cars but they are linked to PA-1.
BigGrin

Pictures from my trip in Halifax.

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