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Offline clapcott  
#51 Posted : 14 December 2014 06:35:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
Just tried the spacebar suggestion for starting and stopping the CS2 from the PC and it does nothing. Any other suggestions?

Peter


Check that you have the main window in focus, not a sub-window like Keyboard,Memory or CabMode
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Offline clapcott  
#52 Posted : 14 December 2014 06:40:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
...
However, things that I have found are:

- None of the screens seem to be resizable


The OpsMode Layout window is sizable

HotKeys in OpsMode Layout
- PgUp/Dn or ArrowUp/Dn = scroll through Layout
- Alt+Up/Down = opens layout selection as popup (followed by up/dn arrows and Enter)
- "First letter of layout name" -> goes directly to that layout
- "Home" - goes to first layout panel
- "End" goes to last

- no Zoom In/Out - found
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Offline clapcott  
#53 Posted : 14 December 2014 06:59:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post
...., cs2+ms2+6021+80f, all in sincro, perfect.

Be wary,
mfx+ CabMode wont sync with anything else while operating.
(This is the same as prior to the CS-PC)
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Offline witzlerh  
#54 Posted : 14 December 2014 07:17:26(UTC)
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Well a lot can happen in 24 hrs!
I got a longer cable, got rid of an old wi-if router and used a switch. Now I have reliable eathernet.

I then downloaded and installed the CS2 program on my work computer (windows 7) and voila, it saw that I had my CS2 connected to the same router as my work computer and synced! I guess Windows Vista is not able to work but I have not tried it yet since I cleaned up my eathernet.

As noted in previous posts, any missing icons need to be put in the icons folder located a little deeper than the folder you specified for your CS2 files to go.

After closing and opening the CS2 program a few times, all the sensors and switches were eventually recognized so that you can push the switch on the layout screen and the switch, switched!
Some loks needed to be mated with their icons if you used icons with a different name.

The space bar works for STOP/GO. When you first reopen the program, you have to click inside the window so that the computer recognized that the space bar is for that program and then press the space bar. If you surf the web ( reading updates on Marklin-user.net forum...) and want to STOP your trains, you have to click in the CS2 main window (not sure is the supplementary CS2 windows will work too) and then hit the space bar.

I am missing the STOP/GO status on the program which is found on the iPad apps but this is a descent program. I just wonder how it will get updated....there was no revision control...yet.
Harald
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Offline FrankF  
#55 Posted : 14 December 2014 10:57:12(UTC)
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Found a New Hotkey-kombination in the LAYOUT-Window if this is shown in a little seperat window.

Try using the WINDOWS-button on your keyboard and the Arrow Left / Arrow Right key's at the same time

This switch between showing the Layout-Window in the Left or Right site of your PC-Screen in "maximum/minimal" windows-size.
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Offline Goofy  
#56 Posted : 14 December 2014 11:18:49(UTC)
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Why to download CS2 as PC,when you must anyway have CS2 to use CS2-PC? Confused
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Offline H0  
#57 Posted : 14 December 2014 11:49:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Why to download CS2 as PC,when you must anyway have CS2 to use CS2-PC? Confused
If you don't have a CS2, then you can evaluate its capabilities including the Spielewelt using the Demo mode of the PC version.
If you have a CS2, but no mfx+ locos then you can evaluate the cab control mode of the Spielewelt on your PC (Demo mode).
If you have a CS2 then you can see how fast it could be with capable hardware (Demo mode or as a slave of the real CS2).
Regards
Tom
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Offline H0  
#58 Posted : 14 December 2014 11:53:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FrankF Go to Quoted Post
Try using the WINDOWS-button on your keyboard and the Arrow Left / Arrow Right key's at the same time
These are standard shortcuts that work with all resizable windows.

Regards
Tom
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Offline jeehring  
#59 Posted : 14 December 2014 16:13:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
After the start you will see a dialogue where you select the language.

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excuse me, is the demo mode also with 4 languages ?
Offline jeehring  
#60 Posted : 14 December 2014 17:57:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Why to download CS2 as PC,when you must anyway have CS2 to use CS2-PC? Confused
If you don't have a CS2, then you can evaluate its capabilities including the Spielewelt using the Demo mode of the PC version.
If you have a CS2, but no mfx+ locos then you can evaluate the cab control mode of the Spielewelt on your PC (Demo mode).
If you have a CS2 then you can see how fast it could be with capable hardware (Demo mode or as a slave of the real CS2).

excuse me again...where is it possible to download the demo of PC version without CS2 ?
The most important on the Marklin website is in German...I feel more & more frustrated because of the langage barrier...(Just remember my father telling me to choose German as a second foreign langage at school...and I choose Spanish, ....)
Offline H0  
#61 Posted : 14 December 2014 19:08:26(UTC)
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The download page (German only):
http://maerklin.de/de/pr...ds/software_updates.html

Scroll down to "Central Station Program auf dem Windows-PC" to find the download link:
Code:
http://medienpdb.maerklin.de/digital22008/files/CS2.exe

Copy URL to the address field of your browser and download should start.

Translations for the German dialogues you will see while running the program for the first time can be found here:
https://www.marklin-user...2--3-8-1.aspx#post475795
Regards
Tom
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Offline H0  
#62 Posted : 14 December 2014 19:32:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
After the start you will see a dialogue where you select the language.

excuse me, is the demo mode also with 4 languages?
Yep, it's the same program. It will either communicate with a real CS2 or will start a "GFP-Simulator" program for Demo mode without connection to a physical CS2.
The languages DE, EN, FR, and NL work on my computer. ES didn't work for me, so FR will probably be the best choice for you.

Regards
Tom
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Offline lglarsson  
#63 Posted : 15 December 2014 08:32:01(UTC)
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Hi
I have also downloaded CS2 for PC. All working fine, CS2, MS1 and 6021.
However when I started WinDigipet it didn't work because of that CS2.exe and WinDigipet use the same port. So there is a conflict.
Have anyone experienced this? Is it some settings that I have missed? Thanks for advice.
BR
LG
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#64 Posted : 15 December 2014 09:16:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lglarsson Go to Quoted Post
Have anyone experienced this? Is it some settings that I have missed? Thanks for advice.

My take on this would be that you have to make a choice. Either you use WinDigipet or you use the CS2 PC. The computer can only have one program listening on a given port.

If you have two PCs you can install CS2 PC on that other PC. The Central Station itself should be able to handle this.
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Offline lglarsson  
#65 Posted : 15 December 2014 09:55:08(UTC)
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Thank you Sören for your advice . I will try to add another PC to install CS2 PC on.
Best regards
LG
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Offline clapcott  
#66 Posted : 15 December 2014 11:48:56(UTC)
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Hotkeys :From the ReadMe (German only)

B.5.) Tastenbedienung der PC-App
In der App werden folgende Tasten ausgewertet:
- Funktionstasten F1 bis F8 sind die Funktionen F0 bis F7 der linken Lokomotive im Control-Fenster.
- Funktionstasten F9 bis F16 sind die Funktionen F0 bis F7 der rechten Lokomotive im Control-Fenster.
- Taste „a“ simuliert die linke Lokauswahltaste der CS2
- Taste „l“ simuliert die rechte Lokauswahltaste der CS2
- Taste „g“ und die Funktionstaste F21 simuliert die Stopp - Taste der CS2
- Taste „q“ beendet die Applikation
- Scrollen mit der Maus beeinflusst die Geschwindigkeit der rechten Lokomotive
- Windows Steuerungstaste bzw Apple Kommandotaste + Scrollen mit der Maus beeinflusst die Geschwindigkeit der linken Lokomotive.

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B.5.) Key operation of the PC app
The app utilises the following
keyboard keys :
- F1 to F8 = Left Lok functions F0 to F7 in the Control Window.
- F9 to F16 = Right Lok functions F0 to F7 in the Control Window.
- "A" key = simulates the left locomotive selection of CS2
- "L" key = simulates the right locomotive selection of CS2
- "G" + F21 simulates the stop - the key CS2
- "Q" key = Quits the application
Mouse
- Scrolling the mouse affects the speed of the locomotive right
- Windows control key + scrolling the mouse affects the speed of the left engine.
======================================================




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Offline Goofy  
#67 Posted : 15 December 2014 17:26:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Why to download CS2 as PC,when you must anyway have CS2 to use CS2-PC? Confused
If you don't have a CS2, then you can evaluate its capabilities including the Spielewelt using the Demo mode of the PC version.
If you have a CS2, but no mfx+ locos then you can evaluate the cab control mode of the Spielewelt on your PC (Demo mode).
If you have a CS2 then you can see how fast it could be with capable hardware (Demo mode or as a slave of the real CS2).


I think you did missunderstanding me...
I mean...if you have already CS2,it´s not necessary to have CS2-PC program.
For me...i see this waste of time to have CS2-PC.

H0
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Offline witzlerh  
#68 Posted : 15 December 2014 18:47:15(UTC)
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So far this program is working reasonably well. I think that working off the iPad is a little smoother and you can walk around with it but the BIG benefit is to have a MUCH LARGER SCREEN to work with and to allow multiple windows open.

I would think that if you had a 20"-30" touch screen monitor, you could mount this next to your layout and run like 10 trains at a time.....
Harald
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Offline H0  
#69 Posted : 15 December 2014 19:03:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I mean...if you have already CS2,it´s not necessary to have CS2-PC program.
If you have a CS2 then you can use the the PC as a slave for the real CS2.
If you don't have a CS2, you can use the PC version in Demo mode to evaluate what the CS2 does and how it works.

If you have an MS2 and are dang sure that you will never buy a CS2, then simply DO NOT DOWNLOAD the PC version (unless you are curious to test the cab control of mfx+ just for fun).
Regards
Tom
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Offline Goofy  
#70 Posted : 16 December 2014 12:31:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
I mean...if you have already CS2,it´s not necessary to have CS2-PC program.
If you have a CS2 then you can use the the PC as a slave for the real CS2.
If you don't have a CS2, you can use the PC version in Demo mode to evaluate what the CS2 does and how it works.

If you have an MS2 and are dang sure that you will never buy a CS2, then simply DO NOT DOWNLOAD the PC version (unless you are curious to test the cab control of mfx+ just for fun).


Totally pointless!
You use anyway with CS2 to control digital locomotivs and turnouts.

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Offline franciscohg  
#71 Posted : 16 December 2014 14:45:11(UTC)
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You can have all control pages open at the same time, that means you can control locos, accesories, routes without having to switch trough the pages of your CS2, very useful IMHO.
Regards
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Offline PMPeter  
#72 Posted : 16 December 2014 17:25:23(UTC)
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In my opinion it is just a slave controller to the actual CS2. If you have a large enough monitor the benefit is that you can have the various screens such as the controller, the layout, the keyboard, the memory, etc. all on one screen. However, since some of the screens are not scalable this is not really beneficial if you have a laptop with a standard sized screen controlling the layout. Perhaps scalable screens will be a future feature.

Peter
Offline H0  
#73 Posted : 16 December 2014 23:58:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Totally pointless!
Thank you for your constructive criticism, much appreciated.
Three users thanked me for my pointless post, no user thanked you for your constructive criticism. That's the cruel life of an unrecognised genius.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
You use anyway with CS2 to control digital locomotivs and turnouts.
I don't.
Regards
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Offline Station_Dooiland  
#74 Posted : 17 December 2014 10:11:00(UTC)
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Hi Guys,

I find it very very very usefull.

Why?

- The CS2 screen is small, and I love the big layout on my two 22"screen's ( BigGrin ),
- CS2 is slow in its reaction (it's build for moving trains, not for reacting on user actions) and even on an old PC it is fast,
- you can use multiple screen options (Layout, Console, etc) at the same time.
- The iPod like screens per loc are very informational and useable,
- Editing my Layout on a bigger and faster enviroment is nice,
- I can use the sounds options which i use in combination with the .WAV files which i have uploaded on my USB stick (with the ipad app i can not).
- .....

And this is only the beta Cool ... come on guys.....

Greetings,

Johny
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Offline Station_Dooiland  
#75 Posted : 17 December 2014 13:23:38(UTC)
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ARGH....

They removed the download on the Marklin.de site.
See for more information on: ACHTUNG - PROGRAMM-RÜCKRUF

In short, when de-installing the application it seems that the un-install action removed more than was necessary.

It should bee solved in the next version (12).

Greetings,

Johny
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Offline H0  
#76 Posted : 17 December 2014 13:53:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Station_Dooiland Go to Quoted Post
In short, when de-installing the application it seems that the un-install action removed more than was necessary.
This happens when you used the default working folder suggested by the application and then uninstall the application.

I never used the default folder and so far I tried their beta software only on virtual computers.


Originally Posted by: Station_Dooiland Go to Quoted Post
And this is only the beta Cool ... come on guys.....
I know, you know - and since they called it back everybody knows. Märklin thought it was "production quality".

Regards
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Offline H0  
#77 Posted : 17 December 2014 13:55:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lglarsson Go to Quoted Post
However when I started WinDigipet it didn't work because of that CS2.exe and WinDigipet use the same port.
The CS2.exe works fine on virtual PCs.
You can bypass the ports problem by running CS2.exe in a virtual machine - WinDigipet can either run on the host or in another virtual machine (I don't use WinDigipet so I cannot guarantee it works in virtual machines).

Regards
Tom
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#78 Posted : 17 December 2014 14:29:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Totally pointless!
Thank you for your constructive criticism, much appreciated.
Three users thanked me for my pointless post, no user thanked you for your constructive criticism. That's the cruel life of an unrecognised genius.



LOL LOL LOL LOL Well said Tom ... ThumpUp


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Offline H0  
#79 Posted : 17 December 2014 15:20:20(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Station_Dooiland Go to Quoted Post
See for more information on: ACHTUNG - PROGRAMM-RÜCKRUF
Short summary: They write that people who downloaded the software, but haven't installed it yet, should not install it. Those who installed it should not de-install it.

During installation the program asks for a working folder (Arbeitsverzeichnis in German). As far as I understand it you are safe if you used a new, empty folder as the working folder.
If you used the suggested folder during installation then DO NOT DE-INSTALL, instead wait for the upgrade.
Regards
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#80 Posted : 17 December 2014 18:52:41(UTC)
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Email from Marklin - Recall Software-Programm - PC-Version für Märklin Central Station CS2

ENGLISH version

There has been a new software-program for the PC-version of our central station on our website since dec. 11th, 2014.

Programname: Installationsprogramm CS2.exe Version 3.8.1(11)

Although we tested this program carefully, the installation-routine may have a problem under specific cirumstances. Also data on the PC not used by this software may be deleted when you try to uninstall the software.

In case you downloaded the software during the period of dec. 11th and dec. 16th 2014, please proceed as follows: •DO NOT UNINSTALL the program from your PC – please wait for further information
•Do not install the program on your PC, if you have downloaded, but not installed so far.
We are working very hard to provide a repair-program. This will be available within the next days at this specific place (where you usually find our updates):

http://www.maerklin.de/d...ds/software_updates.html

Please follow any instructions there and do not uninstall the current version.

The repair-program will be available as an update for your PC, named cs2_setup.exe in version 3.8.1(12). This update has to be installed without uninstalling the current version from your PC.

Details of the bug:

Problem occurs within the initial start of the program on your PC, when using the default directory as working directory for the central station program and then uninstalling the program via the uninstall-routine.

In this case the data of central station program on the PC BUT ALSO further User Data will be deleted from the PC.

IMPORTANT: The bug occurs only in the PC-version for CS2 software 3.8.1, which allows an extension of the Central Station to your PC screen (CS2.exe version 3.8.1(11) dated dec. 11th 2014). The core CS2-update 3.8.1, dated dec 2nd 2014 is not affected.
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Offline Gert-Jan  
#81 Posted : 18 December 2014 12:21:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 65kombi Go to Quoted Post
Just downloaded the program, looks interesting, BUT:

1) Most of the locomotive icons don't show (blank box where .png icon should be) all icons show up on my CS2 and in MainStation app on my iPad.

2) Cannot regulate locomotive speed with round speed dial, but can do so using the vertical bar graph.

3) IMHO the MainStation iPad app is a far more relevant product in having such immense play value, being a wonderfully useful 'walkaround' remote control device for the CS2.


My comments on:

1) You could try to copy all CS2 icon .png to the 'working' folder from the PC CS2 program. There should be folder with all visible icons. But agreed, getting the icons manually from the CS2 requires some (Linux) skills.

2) I can click a speed on the speedo round dial and the speed pointers climbs to it. Should work imho

3) So is the Android app. I only use the mobile station app to have a remote speed/loc control.
Big plus for the PC app is that you can have multiple screens to control multiple locs in multiple modes (including profi cab view).
Mosty era III DB.
Offline Gert-Jan  
#82 Posted : 19 December 2014 09:38:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
...
Originally Posted by: Station_Dooiland Go to Quoted Post
And this is only the beta Cool ... come on guys.....
I know, you know - and since they called it back everybody knows. Märklin thought it was "production quality".



I am not too bothered with this / used to this...I remember many IBM (OS/2) and Microsoft (Windows) releases. Not talking about the 'so called mature' gaming industry. Cursing

Runs basically fine and I love it.
For me it is an addition to running my real models around on my track.
Instead of only controlling speed by the CS2 knob, I have a 'dashboard' to play with and to control speed, sounds, fuel etc.
Multy cab-view control windows. And now I hear the 'SiFa' warning from the PC speakers too LOL
Mosty era III DB.
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Offline Hackcell  
#83 Posted : 19 December 2014 15:32:31(UTC)
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It seems the outstanding german planning, development and testing Software process wasn't followed.
I would say the locomotive production was moved back to Germany in exchange of sending the SW development to China.
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Offline Steamer01  
#84 Posted : 19 December 2014 16:28:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hackcell Go to Quoted Post
It seems the outstanding german planning, development and testing Software process wasn't followed.
I would say the locomotive production was moved back to Germany in exchange of sending the SW development to China.




The new improved software is now ready for downloading. Cool

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Offline sjlauritsen  
#85 Posted : 19 December 2014 16:31:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hackcell Go to Quoted Post
I would say the locomotive production was moved back to Germany in exchange of sending the SW development to China.

Because Chineese people suck at software development... we all know that.

Two words: Shit happens!

It always does, people are involved. I am sure whoever made the uninstall program was sure that everything was okay. Yes, somebody might have been able to anticipate a potential problem, but we don't know, we were not there. You can also flip it over and say, that if you blindly let a random program use your documents folder as a working folder you are asking for all kinds of trouble.

I am also sure that the software developers are kicking themselves for not noticing. But they may have been under pressure from a deadline or some product manager who could not care less on how much you have to work to make the deadline. My point: Bugs slips out. It is not on purpose, it just happens and it will continue to happen.

Just today at work, some of our customers were complaining that we spent too much money on testing and quality assurance. Go figure!



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Offline Steamer01  
#86 Posted : 19 December 2014 16:38:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Hackcell Go to Quoted Post
I would say the locomotive production was moved back to Germany in exchange of sending the SW development to China.

Because Chineese people suck at software development... we all know that.

Two words: Shit happens!

It always does, people are involved. I am sure whoever made the uninstall program was sure that everything was okay. Yes, somebody might have been able to anticipate a potential problem, but we don't know, we were not there. You can also flip it over and say, that if you blindly let a random program use your documents folder as a working folder you are asking for all kinds of trouble.

I am also sure that the software developers are kicking themselves for not noticing. But they may have been under pressure from a deadline or some product manager who could not care less on how much you have to work to make the deadline. My point: Bugs slips out. It is not on purpose, it just happens and it will continue to happen.

Just today at work, some of our customers were complaining that we spent too much money on testing and quality assurance. Go figure!





The new improved software is ready for downloading. Cool

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Offline kiwiAlan  
#87 Posted : 19 December 2014 18:14:56(UTC)
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Has anyone tried to get it to connect with a CS1 Huh ???



Offline H0  
#88 Posted : 19 December 2014 18:46:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steamer01 Go to Quoted Post
The new improved software is ready for downloading. Cool
A simple fix: when installing 3.8.1(12) over 3.8.1(11), the CS2 program will append "/CS2" to the working folder and copy all work files to that folder.
All files also remain in the previous folder. When uninstalling the program, only the new working folder will be deleted.
So about 70 though 140 MB disk space are wasted with files that are no longer needed. At least you do not lose other documents.

Regards
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Offline Hackcell  
#89 Posted : 20 December 2014 00:56:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Hackcell Go to Quoted Post
I would say the locomotive production was moved back to Germany in exchange of sending the SW development to China.

Because Chineese people suck at software development... we all know that.

Two words: Shit happens!

It always does, people are involved. I am sure whoever made the uninstall program was sure that everything was okay. Yes, somebody might have been able to anticipate a potential problem, but we don't know, we were not there. You can also flip it over and say, that if you blindly let a random program use your documents folder as a working folder you are asking for all kinds of trouble.

I am also sure that the software developers are kicking themselves for not noticing. But they may have been under pressure from a deadline or some product manager who could not care less on how much you have to work to make the deadline. My point: Bugs slips out. It is not on purpose, it just happens and it will continue to happen.

Just today at work, some of our customers were complaining that we spent too much money on testing and quality assurance. Go figure!





Been there, same here with a customer in Chile. We work with developers in Osnabrück and Miami and the German development standards are higher than the ones that we've seen in the US.

The meeting a deadline theory makes sense.
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Märklin, Brawa, MTH and some Walthers cars (nobody is perfect!)
Pinball machines, jukeboxes and Horses.
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Offline drwhitl  
#90 Posted : 20 December 2014 03:40:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Has anyone tried to get it to connect with a CS1 Huh ???





Yes. Actually, even on the "demo" version, i.e. with CS1 on the LAN but without CS2 on the LAN, you can go to "set-up" (on the PC/CS2) add a CS1, and configure the CS1 to interact with the demo version. i.e. you can control a CS1 (and therefore your layout) with the program, even if you don't have a CS2.

Make sure you've got a back-up of your CS1 configuration before you start, because if you load a config from CS2 Demo to CS1 then you'll probably corrupt your previous CS1 config. But it works well!

have fun

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Offline sjlauritsen  
#91 Posted : 20 December 2014 06:30:23(UTC)
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I managed to turn my Windows Phone and tablet into remote control devices by running the remote desktop app and connect to my computer. It is not a perfect solution, but it works quite well. Especially on the tablet.

I still hope Märklin would release apps for the Windows-phone and -tablet, but until then it can work with remote desktop. Just make sure an emergency stop button is in range, should you loose the connection, but I guess that advise goes with all wireless.
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Offline H0  
#92 Posted : 20 December 2014 08:28:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hackcell Go to Quoted Post
We work with developers in Osnabrück and Miami and the German development standards are higher than the ones that we've seen in the US.
Göppingen is not Osnabrück (and vice versa). People in Osnabrück speak German. LOL

As a German software developer I am somewhat ashamed by the quality coming from Germany. Blushing

I have been working with various German software firms. Märklin economised their quality assurance in a singular way.
Regards
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Offline Goofy  
#93 Posted : 20 December 2014 13:02:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Totally pointless!
Thank you for your constructive criticism, much appreciated.
Three users thanked me for my pointless post, no user thanked you for your constructive criticism. That's the cruel life of an unrecognised genius.

Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
You use anyway with CS2 to control digital locomotivs and turnouts.
I don't.


Lucky me who didn´t downloaded program from Märklin!

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Offline Goofy  
#94 Posted : 20 December 2014 13:06:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Totally pointless!
Thank you for your constructive criticism, much appreciated.
Three users thanked me for my pointless post, no user thanked you for your constructive criticism. That's the cruel life of an unrecognised genius.



LOL LOL LOL LOL Well said Tom ... ThumpUp




Does it?
When you see right now about Märklins CS2-PC not working as it should.
Aunt Märklin are rushing to fast away... Angry
So it´s not well said...

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Offline Purellum  
#95 Posted : 20 December 2014 16:28:21(UTC)
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Cool

Quote:
Does it?
When you see right now about Märklins CS2-PC not working as it should.
Aunt Märklin are rushing to fast away... Angry
So it´s not well said...


I think you didn't get the point at all ( again ).

The CS2-PC works very well, and I haven't heard of anybody who couldn't install it and use it.

Have you heard of anybody having problems installing and using it?

Are you aware that the small bug has now been fixed?

Per.

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Offline Goofy  
#96 Posted : 23 December 2014 08:10:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Purellum Go to Quoted Post
Cool

Quote:
Does it?
When you see right now about Märklins CS2-PC not working as it should.
Aunt Märklin are rushing to fast away... Angry
So it´s not well said...


I think you didn't get the point at all ( again ).

The CS2-PC works very well, and I haven't heard of anybody who couldn't install it and use it.

Have you heard of anybody having problems installing and using it?

Are you aware that the small bug has now been fixed?

Per.

Cool


Then in case...why to recall program by of Märklin?
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#97 Posted : 23 December 2014 10:16:55(UTC)
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Then in case...why to recall program by of Märklin?

Because the uninstall-feature had a bug. Not the Central Station software itself. That bug is now fixed, and everything is fine.

Eftersom funktionen avinstallera hade ett fel. Det hade ingenting att göra med själva programvaran.


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Offline Alberto Pedrini  
#98 Posted : 24 December 2014 21:52:07(UTC)
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Offline jeehring  
#99 Posted : 25 December 2014 15:51:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post

Thank you Alberto for your attention....but...

in German only....?....Mad .....
Recently I heard some strange rumours *** : from now + in the future, Marklin intend to produce their firmwares in two languages only : German & English....including CS2 updates....NO more different foreign languages, even not Dutch, even not French.....forget about the rest of the world, forget about the rest of Europe....Cursing
Is it true ?
Anybody has some serious information about it ?

*** a french dealer who said he received a note from Marklin about it....Sad

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Offline Goofy  
#100 Posted : 26 December 2014 09:17:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jeehring Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Alberto Pedrini Go to Quoted Post

Thank you Alberto for your attention....but...

in German only....?....Mad .....
Recently I heard some strange rumours *** : from now + in the future, Marklin intend to produce their firmwares in two languages only : German & English....including CS2 updates....NO more different foreign languages, even not Dutch, even not French.....forget about the rest of the world, forget about the rest of Europe....Cursing
Is it true ?
Anybody has some serious information about it ?

*** a french dealer who said he received a note from Marklin about it....Sad


If this is true...
Märklin is getting more ducking acting about digital system.


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