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Offline mike c  
#51 Posted : 27 October 2014 03:19:09(UTC)
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I'm keeping quiet on this, but I know where you have a 1 in 88 chance of figuring it out. It used to be 1 in 89.

Regards

Mike C
Offline Unholz  
#52 Posted : 27 October 2014 06:00:38(UTC)
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Sorry Jacques, you're on the wrong track. Wink As a hint: Like the other abbreviations, Mst stood for a location.

And Mike C evidently knows. ThumpUp
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#53 Posted : 27 October 2014 09:37:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
......(and this is sort of a quiz question for the most knowledgeable readers).........


Scared Scared Scared

Don't say that.........Clapcott reads these pages........!OhMyGod

He has the job of compiling our club's end of year quiz, you see........BigGrin

I have 37349 on the way from Germany, so I'm looking forward to getting it, and seeing the details you mention, Stefan.
Offline jvuye  
#54 Posted : 27 October 2014 09:56:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Sorry Jacques, you're on the wrong track. Wink As a hint: Like the other abbreviations, Mst stood for a location.

And Mike C evidently knows. ThumpUp


Muttenz Sankt Jakob...

Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn
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Offline Unholz  
#55 Posted : 27 October 2014 11:36:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post

Muttenz Sankt Jakob...


Geographically very near, Jacques, good job! Smile

Actually, the "Mst" stood for Münchenstein near Basel, the former locomotive works of the Brown, Boveri company (BBC) which were later given up. In the very old times, the electrical supplier Alioth (predecessor of BBC) was located here.

http://de.wikipedia.org/...%A4tsgesellschaft_Alioth
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Offline mike c  
#56 Posted : 28 October 2014 04:32:06(UTC)
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Stefan,

I did not know it was Alioth. I knew it as a BBC facility. For those who were wondering about my cryptic clue. Münchenstein is the City that adorns Re 6/6 11640, making it one of the 89 (now 88) Re 6/6 locomotives.

Here's a question for Stefan. Why is the "Uebernahme/Recue) information seem to be always from the electrical company and not from the companies who made the mechnical parts (SLM, etc)?

Regards

Mike C
Offline Unholz  
#57 Posted : 28 October 2014 05:59:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Why is the "Uebernahme/Recue) information seem to be always from the electrical company and not from the companies who made the mechnical parts (SLM, etc)?


Mike, that is because the locomotives were always "finished" for delivery by the electrical supplier. I have many memories from my youth days at Winterthur of the "empty" Re 4/4 II and Re 6/6 bodies and trucks leaving the SLM works at Winterthur to subsequently be assembled and completed at either Oerlikon, Münchenstein, or Geneva. A few months later, the brand-new locos left the "electrician's" works, performed a first trial run for instance to Chur or to Romanshorn, and that date was painted next to the entrance door to mark the official take-over by the SBB.

Offline AshleyH  
#58 Posted : 28 October 2014 17:41:33(UTC)
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These new items are already very hard to find.

I have placed an order for the 43866 Dining Car, i know it is a bit silly, but it is something a bit different for the layout.

I am still considering the 37349, but like others I already have the 37343 from many years back, so I am struggling to justify 280 Euros for an MFX+ Sound Decoder. I think I will pass.

Plenty of TEE coaches already, just as well looking at the prices of the 3 and 4 coach packs, I know they have interior lighting but......

As many will know, my eyesight is way too bad to read the train destination signs now anyway, just hope the roof is TEE Silver and not the later darker shade.
Wiill it match my TEE Rheinpfeil Coaches from the 26540 TEE Rheinpfeil Set with the BR 112, or my 26557 TEE Bavaria Set with the Re 4/4 I ?

Ashley
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Offline mike c  
#59 Posted : 28 October 2014 21:13:04(UTC)
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I was looking at the features of the digital dining car and I find some of them a little ridiculous. How often did kitchen fires occur in these trains? I also find it a little strange to have greetings, eating, burping, wine corking and other sounds that would not normally be audible from the outside of the coach. I would much rather have had German and Swiss station announcements, control of lights (table lights, corridor, compartments, etc) and perhaps dinner service announcements or something like that.
I would also have liked to see more information about the consist. The train from Basel to Zurich and back did not consist of all of the coaches. A number of the coaches were detached in Basel. One or two may have been attached to other trains (Rheingold/Roland/etc). It would be nice if Maerklin would say Swiss modellers need the four coaches and the diner (Basel-Zurich-Basel), German modellers need all the sets for the full train (Hamburg-Basel SBB). The Swiss section of the Helvetia at one point also included coaches from the SNCF TEE Arbalete and also AFAIR included single coaches from the TEE Rheingold (from Amsterdam/Emmerich) and TEE Roland (from Bremen) in various years that went on to Chur.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline RayF  
#60 Posted : 28 October 2014 23:06:32(UTC)
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I think the coach is meant to be a fun accessory. I wouldn't take it too seriously!
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Offline AshleyH  
#61 Posted : 28 October 2014 23:08:36(UTC)
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According to the Train Stories leaflet, it does offer various lighting controls; table lamps, the dining area, the corridor, and the current conducting couplers to the other carriages.

No mention of burping Mike, so it is hopefully a step up from the snoring on last years sleeping car!

If it is in stock it should be with me next week hopefully.
Offline NZMarklinist  
#62 Posted : 29 October 2014 03:06:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
I was looking at the features of the digital dining car and I find some of them a little ridiculous. How often did kitchen fires occur in these trains? I also find it a little strange to have greetings, eating, burping, wine corking and other sounds that would not normally be audible from the outside of the coach. I would much rather have had German and Swiss station announcements, control of lights (table lights, corridor, compartments, etc) and perhaps dinner service announcements or something like that.
I would also have liked to see more information about the consist. The train from Basel to Zurich and back did not consist of all of the coaches. A number of the coaches were detached in Basel. One or two may have been attached to other trains (Rheingold/Roland/etc). It would be nice if Maerklin would say Swiss modellers need the four coaches and the diner (Basel-Zurich-Basel), German modellers need all the sets for the full train (Hamburg-Basel SBB). The Swiss section of the Helvetia at one point also included coaches from the SNCF TEE Arbalete and also AFAIR included single coaches from the TEE Rheingold (from Amsterdam/Emmerich) and TEE Roland (from Bremen) in various years that went on to Chur.

Regards

Mike C


Well I think the functions are for a little light hearted amusement for us, and amazement for the children Smile


Interior lighting for the corridor · · · ·
Table Lamps · · · ·
Interior lighting for the dining area · · · ·
Current-conducting coupler · · · ·
Greeting · · · ·
Order · · ·
Cooking · · ·
Cutting · · ·
The fat is burning! · · ·
Enjoy · ·
Order · ·
Corks popping · ·
Clinking (glasses together) · ·
Dialog · ·
Washing up · ·
Paying · ·

It would be nice to be able to capitalise on the last one, all our Preiserlings owe us a fortune Wink
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Offline mike c  
#63 Posted : 29 October 2014 21:19:48(UTC)
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Back to the 37349 and the other Re 4/4II TEE models:

The only thing that I did not like about the new Roco model was the aluminum coloured sections of the roof. The locos may have looked like that at delivery, but my recollection as a child of seeing the loco did not look like that. (see first photo - 37343 - H216 - R78401). I hope that the coming second number from Roco has a darker roof.
I took some photos of the assorted models that I have, specifically so that the division between red and beige can be seen. In order, Maerklin/Trix M37343/T22744, T22148, Hag 216 and Roco 78401.
I also took side by side shots of 37343 next to my 22148 and all four of them together.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mike c  
#64 Posted : 30 October 2014 01:19:25(UTC)
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After all the debate about the issues with the 37446 Re 482 and the 37349 Re 4/4II, I have decided on a unique solution. As far as the 37446, I am very disappointed by the lack of care and effort put into the paint job of this model. It was already a hard sell for Maerklin to put out a model with a plastic shell, but to do it with such shoddy paintwork is sure to convince Maerklin modellers to stay with the hobby models. My solution to this situation was to order a Trix 22631 Re 482 from 2008 and swap shells. The resulting model has the same locomotive number as the Hobby 36606, but the model was perfectly painted and I now have a wonderful model that I am happy with. Total extra cost 100 EUR. I was so pleased with this that I ordered a second 37446 and will swap shells with a Trix 22636, giving me a Crossrail 185 with sound. Once again, total extra cost was 100 EUR. I thought that if I took the Trix locos, added a decoder with sound, slider and the labour needed to convert the models to AC, it would not be much less than going ahead with this swap.
I also liked the idea of having another Maerklin Re 4/4II with sound, but as you can see above, I already have four Re 4/4II TEE and was already planning on getting the newly announced Roco model (1/2015) if it has a completely grey roof. I decided that what is good for the goose is also good for the gander, so I managed to find a shell for a 37344, which, coincidentally, shares the same loco number as the new 37349, and the result will be a red 11252 with mfx and sound.

As a result of this modification, I will have a surplus Re 4/4II TEE (Delta) which can be had for a very reasonable price, which might interest those operating analog or delta with no intention of going full digital. Contact me for more information.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline steventrain  
#65 Posted : 04 November 2014 23:25:44(UTC)
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37349 on Marklin database status 'Article is sold out'.

Soon to on rare list next year!
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#66 Posted : 04 November 2014 23:49:01(UTC)
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Received mine on Monday! ThumpUp

Pictures to follow.
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Offline mike c  
#67 Posted : 05 November 2014 04:27:02(UTC)
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Here is a suggestion to all owners of the 37349 if you also have a 34345, 37344, 37356, 29859.2 or other modern Re 4/4II locomotive (other than Re 421):

Remove the grey pantographs from your 37349 and swap them with the metal coloured ones from one of the other locomotives. The metal coloured ones are prototypical for the Re 4/4II TEE (1973) and the grey ones are prototypical for any of the other Re 4/4II models since the 1980s.

The pantographs normally sell for around 20 EUR each so you can improve a pair of models and you can consider that you saved 40 EUR plus shipping on the deal.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline steventrain  
#68 Posted : 11 November 2014 16:39:23(UTC)
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43853 and 43854 date back to 2015.

43866 still ready for delivery this November.
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Offline AshleyH  
#69 Posted : 20 November 2014 13:09:00(UTC)
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I am very disappointed to report that I have just received an email from Modellbahn Kramm informing me that my order for the 43866 Dining Car has been cancelled as the item is Sold Out with No Back Orders.

A month ago they sent me an order confirmation, so I believed I had been allocated one. Instead they are just sending me the HO and Z Christmas cars that I ordered at the same time.

I thought Kramm were better than this, surely if they had exceeded their allocation I should have been informed when I placed the order.

Now it seems I have no chance of finding another 43866 anywhere......
Offline steventrain  
#70 Posted : 20 November 2014 19:31:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
I am very disappointed to report that I have just received an email from Modellbahn Kramm informing me that my order for the 43866 Dining Car has been cancelled as the item is Sold Out with No Back Orders.

I thought Kramm were better than this, surely if they had exceeded their allocation I should have been informed when I placed the order.

Now it seems I have no chance of finding another 43866 anywhere......



Keep eye on ebay.de if came out from Marklin (Check seller accept shipping to UK and accept paypal first) as I have done grab some before!
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Offline RayF  
#71 Posted : 20 November 2014 20:00:39(UTC)
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They always come up on ebay. Don't despair, you'll get one!
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#72 Posted : 25 November 2014 03:34:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Here is a suggestion to all owners of the 37349 if you also have a 34345, 37344, 37356, 29859.2 or other modern Re 4/4II locomotive (other than Re 421):

Remove the grey pantographs from your 37349 and swap them with the metal coloured ones from one of the other locomotives. The metal coloured ones are prototypical for the Re 4/4II TEE (1973) and the grey ones are prototypical for any of the other Re 4/4II models since the 1980s.

The pantographs normally sell for around 20 EUR each so you can improve a pair of models and you can consider that you saved 40 EUR plus shipping on the deal.

Regards

Mike C



Hi Mike,

For those of us not so RE 4/4II model endowed, what is the ideal pantograph to buy as a part, to replace the ones supplied by Marklin with 37349.

If it is a Sommerfeld, will it attach to the 37349 with the same mounting screw ??

I only have 37344 RE 4/4II in red, and it has one SSB and one DB/Marklin Panto so don't want to swap those Huh
Glen
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Offline NZMarklinist  
#73 Posted : 25 November 2014 03:37:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post





I "played" my DB Schlaffwagen for a Marklin friend the other day, and he was suitably amused LOL
Glen
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Offline mike c  
#74 Posted : 25 November 2014 07:13:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
For those of us not so RE 4/4II model endowed, what is the ideal pantograph to buy as a part, to replace the ones supplied by Marklin with 37349.

If it is a Sommerfeld, will it attach to the 37349 with the same mounting screw ??

I only have 37344 RE 4/4II in red, and it has one SSB and one DB/Marklin Panto so don't want to swap those Huh


The Maerklin pantographs are actually made for Maerklin by Sommerfeldt, so I would expect the screw dimensions to be compatible.
As far as the 37344, that loco is #11252, ironically the same loco as the 37349 TEE but in it's post 1984 red livery. That loco was equipped from delivery with a pair of BBC pantographs equipped for the SBB network and was never equipped with a pantograph for Germany/Austria.
The locos 11196-11201 were for a while outfitted with one German norm pantograph to pull trains from St. Margrethen to Lindau, Germany through Bregenz, Austria. Those locomotives were most often used for Intercity and Eurocity trains. Other trains would often change to an OBB loco in St. Margrethen and then to a DB loco in Lindau.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline mike c  
#75 Posted : 16 December 2014 03:19:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NZMarklinist Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Here is a suggestion to all owners of the 37349 if you also have a 34345, 37344, 37356, 29859.2 or other modern Re 4/4II locomotive (other than Re 421):

Remove the grey pantographs from your 37349 and swap them with the metal coloured ones from one of the other locomotives. The metal coloured ones are prototypical for the Re 4/4II TEE (1973) and the grey ones are prototypical for any of the other Re 4/4II models since the 1980s.

The pantographs normally sell for around 20 EUR each so you can improve a pair of models and you can consider that you saved 40 EUR plus shipping on the deal.

Regards

Mike C



Hi Mike,

For those of us not so RE 4/4II model endowed, what is the ideal pantograph to buy as a part, to replace the ones supplied by Marklin with 37349.

If it is a Sommerfeld, will it attach to the 37349 with the same mounting screw ??

I only have 37344 RE 4/4II in red, and it has one SSB and one DB/Marklin Panto so don't want to swap those Huh


Here is a photo of my 37348 with the pantographs taken from the 37349. I replaced the pantographs on the 37349 with metallic ones taken from another one of my Re 4/4IIs (37356) that I had outfitted with grey pantographs available as parts for the 37322 Re 6/6.
Beneath it is a photo of my 37349 with the aluminum coloured pantographs, which are the same as the ones on my two other Re 4/4II TEE locos.

Regards

Mike C

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Offline steventrain  
#76 Posted : 16 December 2014 20:51:19(UTC)
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43866 now delivery from Marklin.
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Offline AshleyH  
#77 Posted : 18 December 2014 10:07:11(UTC)
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Sadly, no sign of any 43866's on German eBay as yet.

Still yellow traffic light on Marklin's website, indicating that a second batch will be produced, but I guess, as my order was cancelled, that these are all pre sold as well Sad

If anybody spots one for sale, would you kindly drop me a PM

Best Regards
Ashley
Offline jvuye  
#78 Posted : 18 December 2014 18:12:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
43866 now delivery from Marklin.


Meaning I will soon see my copy: my dealer in Paris has assured me I will definitely get one! I was first on his list...and he only gets 3 copies!! (-;
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#79 Posted : 19 December 2014 21:40:29(UTC)
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Saw three 43866 on ebay today but all sold!
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Offline mike c  
#80 Posted : 19 December 2014 23:11:24(UTC)
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There is one on ebay.de at the moment that is not yet sold. Methinks he wants too much money for the first day.

Regards

Mike C
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#81 Posted : 22 December 2014 16:12:54(UTC)
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43866 on ebay - Sold for 251 EUR.Blink

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M...p;_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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#82 Posted : 22 December 2014 20:55:40(UTC)
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That's twice the RRP.
Offline steventrain  
#83 Posted : 23 December 2014 17:57:27(UTC)
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43866 is on way, Arrive in new year.
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Offline mike c  
#84 Posted : 28 January 2015 05:39:27(UTC)
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I received my 43866 today. The light functions are ok. I am a little concerned that users will be a little too obsessed with pushing the buttons (shift + fx) to conduct the conversation and the end result will be that they are not paying enough attention to the train's movement.
Since the other coaches are not ready, I decided to test the lighting control functions using the ARDmh and Apmz coach from my 42991 1/100 "Helvetia" set. F3 activates the current conducting couplers, which provides power to light the other coaches. Just make sure that you do NOT connect any other coach with a slider as this could damage the decoder.
While the consist was coupled together, I was musing that the WRmh is actually longer than the regular coaches and comes in at over 27m as opposed to 26.4m for the regular coaches. This would mean in HO that the diner should be a little under a cm longer, meaning that 282mm to 270mm is reasonable.

I stand by my decision to buy the restaurant coach and run it with the 4 coach set (bar car plus 3 Avumz111 coaches) to represent the run between Zurich and Basel SBB. Those who want to model the German segment of the route (Basel-Hamburg) should add the additional coaches as well.

I better get back to the train. the chef is running around the kitchen screaming "the grease is burning" and all the waiter is doing to help is opening more champagne.

Regards

Mike C
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Offline AshleyH  
#85 Posted : 28 January 2015 10:18:08(UTC)
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I received my 43866 last week, I have yet to try it out as I don't currently have any track down. However, I am going over to see a friend with a Marklin layout today, so I will try it out and report back.

In terms of the paint finish, while generally good, even with my failing eyesight I can see a dark line where the red meets and overlaps the cream. The same effect as seen on the 37349 TEE Re 4/4 II. I had not previously noted this on my earlier 1.93.5 TEE coaches, but they are not easily to hand to check at the moment. So I can also not yet comment on the colour match. The other noticeable difference is the paint is matt with a slightly rough surface finish, the earlier Chinese produced coaches having a smooth almost printed paint finish.

I do not intend buying either of the additional coach sets, as I already have plenty of the red and cream coaches in various sets, and my eyesight is way past reading train destination signs!

For the record, I paid Euro 189 on an auction on German eBay, well above the Euro 130,00 list price, but a lot less than I have seen many of these sell for.
Still annoyed that my order was cancelled by Modellbahn Kramm, but pleased to have got one in the end. At least my financial pain was eased somewhat by the falling value of the Euro.

Best Regards
Ashley
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#86 Posted : 28 January 2015 10:40:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
I received my 43866 last week, I have yet to try it out as I don't currently have any track down.


My 43866 arrived on Monday, or more to the point I picked it up from work on Monday when I started back at work after 4 weeks of leave.

I put it on some test tracks that were connected to the CS2 so I could try the functions out. There are 16 functions, but I doubt if I'll be randomly pushing 16 function buttons while it is running. I thought function 9 with the Chef calling out the kitchen fire was amusing - it reminded me a bit of Sgt Schultz in Hogan's Heroes!

Originally Posted by: AshleyH Go to Quoted Post
For the record, I paid Euro 189 on an auction on German eBay, well above the Euro 130,00 list price, but a lot less than I have seen many of these sell for.
.........At least my financial pain was eased somewhat by the falling value of the Euro.


Mine cost 199 euros, including 30 something euros postage to NZ. And yes, the falling euro value certainly helped! Long may it last!
Offline H0  
#87 Posted : 28 January 2015 10:55:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
While the consist was coupled together, I was musing that the WRmh is actually longer than the regular coaches and comes in at over 27m as opposed to 26.4m for the regular coaches. This would mean in HO that the diner should be a little under a cm longer, meaning that 282mm to 270mm is reasonable.
The difference is 13 mm for full-length H0 coaches.
The correct match for a 27 cm coach would be a diner at 28.125 cm length.
However Märklin make all new coaches 28.2 cm long, so the 43866 is in length scale 1:97.5 (and as usually they use a pictogram that gives the incorrect scale of 1:93.5).
Most DB diners are 27500 mm long while most post-war coaches are 26400 mm long.

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#88 Posted : 28 January 2015 13:54:12(UTC)
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My 43866 arrived on 5th of january to my dealer. He managed to find one, even after having told me that he was not able to deliver it. Price paid: 115€.
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Rafael
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Offline mike c  
#89 Posted : 04 February 2015 05:33:19(UTC)
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I finally had a few minutes to dig into my resources and try to find some additional information about the TEE "Helvetia" as it ran between Hamburg and Zurich and Zurich and Hamburg between 1965 and 1979. The "Helvetia" was originally operated by VT11.5 (later BR 601), often in combination with an older VT08.5 when traffic was heavy. In 1965, the diesel trainset was replaced by locomotive pulled coaches. This was the among first routes to receive the very latest red and beige painted Avumz, Apumz, WRumz and ARDmuh coaches, as the Rheingold was still using the older blue and beige painted coaches. At that point, the specially modified E10.12 locomotives were being used for the Rheingold and Rheinpfeil, so the Helvetia was pulled by a regular E10 for much of it's route in Germany. After 1969, the train was pulled on the SBB section by specially painted Re 4/4II locomotives.

The consist was as follows**: (Hamburg-Zurich): 2 Avumz, 1 Apumz, 1 WRumz and 1 ARDumz and Hamburg-Basel 2 Avumz and 1 Apumz (when needed). At one point, the train included two coaches from Mannheim to Zurich, which went on to Amsterdam as part of the TEE "Rembrandt".

In 1971, the DB introduced the E 103 as traction for the Helvetia (DB Section). More interestingly, the Swiss section of the train, was operated together with the TEE "Arbalete", which meant that between Zurich and Basel, the train combined the red and beige TEE coaches with SNCF Mistral 56 TEE coaches heading to Paris. AFAICT the Paris to Zurich Arbalete was combined with the IC "Diplomat" and not with the southbound "Helvetia". This combination of trains existed from 1971 until the TEE trains were replaced by IC (InterCity) trains in 1979.

Here is where we get to discuss the new Maerklin models. The destination signs for the 43866 and presumably for the coach sets still to come is that of the TEE "Helvetia" northbound from Zurich to Hamburg-Altona. The revision date on the WRum132 is 1974, so the train should represent the period 1974-1979. For Swiss modellers, this would mean that the consist should run with SNCF coaches. At present, nobody makes a model of the Mistral56 coaches in 1:93 (28cm). Maerklin did make some SNCF Mistral coaches, but I believe those were in 1:87. Set 41875 would be the most appropriate coach set and you would also have to add the generator coach from LSM.

For German modellers, the DB TEE coaches are fine on their own, but the Re 4/4II would have to be replaced by a BR 103.

I have ordered the 43866 (arrived) and am awaiting the four coach set with ARDm and Avmz coaches. I may probably try to find a single Apmz from the remaining set to complete the consist.
If I use my imagination and reproduce the TEE "Helvetia" from 1970*, then I am correct with only the WRmz and four coach set, as the Apmz ran only between Hamburg Altona and Mannheim. In 1970, the Arbalete and Helvetia were operated independently between Zurich and Basel, so the Helvetia was a pure DB TEE consist at that time.

* http://www.heinrich-hank...gbildung/e4_helvetia.htm

Later schedule years had additional coaches (as stated) running between Hamburg and Basel and back.

Can anybody tell me during which years the "Helvetia" would have had a WRmz132 and when it may have been replaced by the WRmz135 with pantograph? AFAIR it already had the diner with pantograph when I saw it in person in 1971/72. The Goette/Willen book has a number of photos of the Helvetia/Arbalete combined consist among others.

Here is a photo of the TEE Arbalete as it nears Paris, with only the SNCF coaches. The train consisted of a section from Zurich and additional coaches between Basel SNCF and Paris (Est): http://www.railpictures....php?id=498424&nseq=0

Regards

Mike C

Sources: Heinrich Hanke Website (see Link)
**Goette/Willen: TEE Zuege in der Schweiz (EK Verlag)
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Offline H0  
#90 Posted : 04 February 2015 08:38:14(UTC)
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At present, nobody makes a model of the Mistral56 coaches in 1:93 (28cm).
The Mistral 56 coaches are 28.8 cm in 1:87. They would be 26.8 cm in 1:93.5.

They are so short that even Märklin made them in 1:87. So the model of a 25 m coach is longer than the model of a 27.5 m diner.
I only buy 1:87 coaches to avoid this length-scale madness.
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#91 Posted : 05 February 2015 06:50:57(UTC)
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Tom

Thanks for the precision. It is a little silly that Maerklin has decided that all coaches longer than a certain length will be 1:93 (28 cm) and those that are shorter will be in exact 1:87. The Mistral PBA (Mistral 69) coaches, the Swiss lightsteel coaches are all exact scale, while the UIC-X coaches are reduced length, meaning that the SBB Lightsteel diner is the wrong length to be used with the UIC coaches. For that reason, I am happy that Maerklin finally brought out the SBB UIC Donauworth Restaurant in red, as I need a restaurant to go with my 23414 Trix FS coach consist.

For the Eurofima coaches, I also have the option of the original Roco EWIV diner (44228/44773) or the Hag McDonalds diner, both of which were 1:93 (282mm). I can also mix and match with the Roco EWIV (44201A/B, 44227, etc) coaches.

If I can find Mistral56/Mistral69 coaches in 268mm (older productions), those would be perfect for the combined TEE "Helvetia". Maybe Jouef or Lima had those at one point.

I think that I am going to ignore the revision dates and make my "Helvetia" the 1970 version, which had neither the extra "Rembrandt" coaches nor the "Arbalete" attached to it.

Regards

Mike C
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#92 Posted : 05 February 2015 07:46:00(UTC)
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It is a little silly that Maerklin has decided that all coaches longer than a certain length will be 1:93 (28 cm) and those that are shorter will be in exact 1:87.
There is a limit of 282 mm. Some coaches are limited to 282 mm and come at a reduced width to make them compatible with old R1 layouts (1:93.5 or 1:97.5).
Some coaches are 1:87, including the INOX coaches and the TGV, but require extra clearance on R1 or R2.
I don't like the look of slimmed, shortened coaches along "fat" full-length coaches in one train (as Märklin does with many era III train sets). But I avoid R1, so I can easily avoid the "new longer length" coaches (21 or 34 mm too short).

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#93 Posted : 13 June 2015 10:17:28(UTC)
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My dealer is shipping the 43854 Set to me. I got the notification the other day and the parcel should arrive next week. Today, I was reading some comments in German forums discussing the quality of the red/beige overlap. Apparently the paint job is not of the same quality as the earlier Rheinpfeil, Bavaria or Roland (Trix) coaches. I will have to examine the models closely when they arrive and if the paint job is that bad, they will most likely go back.

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#94 Posted : 13 June 2015 13:17:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
My dealer is shipping the 43854 Set to me. I got the notification the other day and the parcel should arrive next week. Today, I was reading some comments in German forums discussing the quality of the red/beige overlap. Apparently the paint job is not of the same quality as the earlier Rheinpfeil, Bavaria or Roland (Trix) coaches. I will have to examine the models closely when they arrive and if the paint job is that bad, they will most likely go back.

Regards

Mike C


Yes, I saw it on ebay and it look worst!

Ebay - >LINK< Scroll down to see more image, click large image.
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#95 Posted : 13 June 2015 13:24:50(UTC)
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Hmm.....it looks like this time the cream is overlapping the red, whereas previous production, including the dining car 43866, the red has overlapped the cream.

Neither situation is ideal, and it really should be possible to do better, but it would not be a deal breaker for me. It is just a different type of wrong.

Interesting to see under frame detail picked out in different colours, like Roco and ACME etc.

Excellent pictures in the eBay auction that you linked to above Stephen, many thanks.

Ashley

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Offline Torstein  
#96 Posted : 13 June 2015 18:02:07(UTC)
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Hi

Got the Helvetia car set 43853 last week.

No problem with paint but missing print.
One side on one of the cars have no destination sign and class sign. Don't think the original look like this.

Sent mail and pictures to M and asked for a new car top as may local dealer are sold out. Not heard anything.(one week) Huh

As I have the dining car with sound I want this set. Razz

Torstein



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Offline mike c  
#97 Posted : 13 June 2015 19:11:18(UTC)
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If I compare this to my older 409X, 429X, 4299X and earlier 28cm coaches, I think that the models used to be moulded in red and then the beige was painted over the red, so that there was no overlap. The newer models seem to have both the red and beige painted on, which creates this transition band on the coach.

I think that Roco, Rowa, Trix and Fleischmann all moulded the coaches in beige and then painted the red onto the coach body, whereas Maerklin largely did the reverse.

I guess that the new models are painted in Hungary whereas the original productions (26540, 23477, etc) were done by Sanda Kan in China before they stopped doing work for Maerklin.

Regards

Mike C
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#98 Posted : 16 June 2015 05:57:10(UTC)
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I received my 43854 Set today. As mentioned above, the beige is painted over the red, so there is a 2mm band at the lower edge of the beige part where you can see the red underneath. This is the same as on the 37349 locomotive. On the 43866 Restaurant coach, the situation is the opposite, with the red being painted over the beige. From eye level, the difference in paint procedure is not very visible. Unfortunately, when you do look for it, it can be spotted pretty easily. You would think that they would have improved on painting techniques since the 1970s when the 409X 27cm coaches came out, but that is not the case.

and now on to other aspects of the model:

I tested the lighting functions with only 3 of the coaches and the restaurant. I have not as yet opened the coach with the taillights and removed the slider, so I set that coach aside for the moment.
It occurred to me that the table lights in the bar coach should also be equipped with lights, as this coach is normally coupled to the restaurant coach.

Seeing that the coaches in the Set are numbered 23 (Avumh 011), 24 (Avumz 018), 25 (ARDumh105) and 26 (Avumz 021), I will run the consist in that order, with the restaurant between coaches 25 and 26, so that the bar compartment is adjacent to the kitchen. I am hoping that this is prototypical for Basel-Zuerich, because otherwise the coach with the taillights would have to be the one right behind the locomotive.

Departure Hamburg (1970):
Avm (Hamburg - Zürich), Avm (Hamburg - Zürich), WRm (Hamburg - Zürich), ARDm (Hamburg - Zürich), Avm (Hamburg - Zürich) - Apm (Hamburg - Mannheim)
The train reversed direction in Frankfurt and in Basel. I seem to recall that it would also have had to reverse in Mannheim, at least before some point in the 1980s. If I recall, my train to Frankfurt from Stuttgart in summer 1985 did not reverse at Mannheim.

During some schedules, the train had additional coaches that travelled from Hamburg to Basel. I don't know if these coaches went all the way to Basel SBB or were detached at Basel Bad. Bf.
I guess that this is where the remaining coaches from the 43853 set came in.

A COUPLE OF WARNINGS!

1) MAKE SURE THAT YOU REMOVE THE AC SLIDER FROM THE COACH WITH THE TAILLIGHTS IF YOU INTEND TO USE THE SET WITH THE 43866 RESTAURANT. FAILING TO REMOVE THE AC SLIDER ON THE LAST COACH WILL CONDUCT THE LIVE VOLTAGE TO THE OUTPUT SIGNALS OF THE DECODER IN THE 43866 RESTAURANT AND WILL CAUSE DAMAGE TO IT.

2) MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRST AND LAST COACHES ARE EQUIPPED WITH NORMAL CLOSE COUPLERS (7203) RATHER THAN THE (72020) CURRENT CONDUCTING CLOSE COUPLERS IF YOU INTEND TO USE THESE COACHES WITH AN OLDER LOCOMOTIVE WITH METAL COUPLINGS, AS THE GROUND (RETURN) WILL SHORT OUT THE LIVE COUPLING AND CAN DAMAGE THE DECODER.

3) THERE ARE NO LIGHTS IN THE WASHROOMS, SO PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR PREISERLEINS EXERCISE CARE WHEN USING THE FACILITIES

Regards

Mike
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#99 Posted : 16 June 2015 18:17:25(UTC)
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43854 need to back to Marklin to fix the problem if you are not happy with it.

Quote:
Dear Sir,

thanks for your question.

For any repair or maintenance service you are kindly requested to send your Marklin 43854 TEE pack directly to the firm of Märklin along with a copy of the sales receipt and a summary of the problem(s) with the product.
Our address:

Gebr. Märklin &
Cie. GmbH
Reparatur Service
Stuttgarter Str. 55-57
D-73033
Göppingen
Germany

Sincerely yours,
your account manager
Markus
Schurr

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#100 Posted : 17 June 2015 05:13:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
43854 need to back to Marklin to fix the problem.


Steven,

it would be helpful if you would provide more details for the other members about the nature of the problem with your 43854.
Was it due to the paint issue (beige over red) or were there other issues.
The only issue that I could find was that the washroom window on the ARDmuh bar coach is not painted.
Other than that, my set was acceptable.

I do not think that Maerklin will repaint the set unless there are missing details like the 43853 reported above.

Regards

Mike C
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