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Offline mundomadelman  
#1 Posted : 13 November 2014 23:08:22(UTC)
mundomadelman

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Hi, im spanish and im new with marklin and trains, i see many plans but i love really this

http://burghausenbahn.blogspot.com.es/

i make a similar plan with wintrack to c marklin and have 2 possibles variations, ( sorry my poor english please )

330 x 125 cms, or 350 x 125 cms.



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variation with more tracks.

if any can help me i can sed the plan to modify.

my mail

mundomadelman@hotmail.com

thanks

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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 13 November 2014 23:28:17(UTC)
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Nice plan!

Welcome to the forum, by the way!
Ray
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Offline kimballthurlow  
#3 Posted : 14 November 2014 01:06:53(UTC)
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Hi Mundo
My advice is to stick to the plan which you have. It seems quite suitable for operating trains. When you are new to this hobby it is best to make the first setup as simple as possible, so you learn how to solve small problems as they appear.

You can add more tracks later.

Regards
Kimball
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Offline mundomadelman  
#4 Posted : 14 November 2014 12:17:34(UTC)
mundomadelman

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Thanks for your advice, can you tell me what plan do you like more ? first or second ?

330 or 350 cms long ? thanks

my room have 360 cm. i want make high layout and go down the layout if i need cross the layout.

Offline Alsterstreek  
#5 Posted : 14 November 2014 13:12:59(UTC)
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Indeed a very mature plan. Regarding the size: Well, for accessing a layout, normally one can reach with his arms 60 cm. So when determining how much you want to squeeze into the room, keep in mind the layout accessibility.
Offline mundomadelman  
#6 Posted : 14 November 2014 13:22:07(UTC)
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Thanks for your opinion, i have acces to go for both sides and i have good arms. jeje

you can see the original project here.

i post 2 pictures, what so you prefer ? first or second ?

second i add 2 tracks more as you can see. one near station and other on the other stations front.

thanks


Offline mundomadelman  
#7 Posted : 14 November 2014 13:24:43(UTC)
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sorry... the original Burghausen Bahn

http://burghausenbahn.blogspot.com.es/
Offline Alsterstreek  
#8 Posted : 14 November 2014 14:56:58(UTC)
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If you asked me: the second. A decent gentleman can never have enough sidings.

:-)
Offline kiwiAlan  
#9 Posted : 14 November 2014 15:12:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Alsterstreek Go to Quoted Post
If you asked me: the second. A decent gentleman can never have enough sidings.

:-)


I would also suggest the second, and would do a small modification. At the moment the track to the turntable has the loco shuttle back and forth to reach the main line. Instead of having a buffer at the left hand end of the stub track, I would run the track further, and the 24612 at the left hand end of the dark green track I would change for a three way 24630 point and join that to that stub track. Gives you another run around the other side of the main line and means you can change loco at either end of the train.
Offline mundomadelman  
#10 Posted : 14 November 2014 16:48:25(UTC)
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Please can you markme themodification with paint please ?

thanks
Offline kiwiAlan  
#11 Posted : 14 November 2014 17:13:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mundomadelman Go to Quoted Post
Please can you markme themodification with paint please ?

thanks


OK, see the orange mark I have made on this one.


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Offline mundomadelman  
#12 Posted : 14 November 2014 17:38:47(UTC)
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ohh, ok, the problem here is that this track location is just the station place.the original first plan have this line clean with only a turnonlyfor the turntable,and is posible i delete the977,2417224612 and only make as the first plan with the track of down added only.
Offline Alsterstreek  
#13 Posted : 29 November 2014 10:22:41(UTC)
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Hi,

I would adjust the curves. Most of the invisible tunnel curves of the green sector are R2 radius, while the the prominent tunnel entry on the lower right hand side sports R1 curves, seen from the spectator from the outside: Trains do not make a "bella figura" there. Instead, the situation should be reversed by having only space saving R1 in the tunnel (resulting in more "room for maneuver" for track design outside tunnels) and more generous radii (at least R2) in visible areas - see screenshot.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#14 Posted : 29 November 2014 10:47:20(UTC)
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Then the inner tunnel ramp descending form the green middle to the blue lowest level looks like a 5% or 6% grade - exacerbated by being curved - which is "borderline". Only short trains will manage to climb this ramp - see screenshot.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#15 Posted : 29 November 2014 10:57:53(UTC)
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And finally, S-curves should be avoided for both looks and reliable operations of trains. Consequently, station turnouts on the green levels should be shifted - see screenshot. Pleasant side effects:
- station tracks hold longer trains.
- visible station track length aligned with (uniform) shadow station track length.
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Offline Armando  
#16 Posted : 29 November 2014 17:46:32(UTC)
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¡Enhorabuena, Ramón, por tu espectacular proyecto!
(Congratulations, Ramón, on your spectacular project)

Saludos,
Best regards,
Armando García

Offline mundomadelman  
#17 Posted : 02 December 2014 00:48:02(UTC)
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gracias por todo, soy de islas canarias y soy español, pero bueno, en este foro hay que hablar en ingles, asi que eso hacemos, jeje,.

thanks for all modifications, i try to change alls. the transit from station to shadow station, are with less grades, really, the curves go inclinated after the brige under the principal station. not only the 2 curves, and the shadow station are with inclination to make less grades inclinations. i hope you understand me, whe i modifi the plan i change the colours and you can see more clear
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Offline amartinezv  
#18 Posted : 02 December 2014 11:03:24(UTC)
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Hello

I'd like very much your design. Also, the original Burghausen bahn is impresive. Your first design seems to me more clean, or elegant, but I think that the modifications given to your second design are very interesting and usefull.

I recommend to avoid the S curves before the turnouts

ok, best regards from Madrid
Antonio Martínez
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Offline mundomadelman  
#19 Posted : 02 December 2014 22:55:24(UTC)
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I modify the layout, can you see if this way is more adjust to your advices ?

thanks
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Offline mundomadelman  
#20 Posted : 09 December 2014 11:58:36(UTC)
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https://www.marklin-user...herlands.aspx#post268278

do you belive this layout is more play that mine ?

thanks
Offline Irish Rail  
#21 Posted : 09 December 2014 13:29:47(UTC)
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I've been watching this plan develop with modifications and improvements. There are a few features that I find very attractive:

1. The station/sidings on the diagonal, which allows greater visibility and longer straights - lots of scope for railway operations
2. the hidden reverse loop on same level as the diagonal
3. the upland area (red track) for a separate place or activity.

But it is a very complex layout for someone to start with!

The Kristinelund layout you ask about, has some similarities and its execution and detailing by Roger are absolutely stunning. But the layout design doesn't look as good as the one you have been developing, in my opinion.

Good luck with it. I'm looking forward to its continued development and it is giving me ideas for my own layout which will start in February or March.
Cheers
Des
Offline mundomadelman  
#22 Posted : 09 December 2014 14:00:58(UTC)
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Hi, i make a modify test for i see the results. do you like more this new modify ? or the last plan ?

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Offline RayF  
#23 Posted : 09 December 2014 14:14:24(UTC)
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There's not a lot of difference operationally, but I think i like your last version a little bit more. The way the branch line disappears into a tunnel and then appears further on before arriving at the branch terminus station makes it feel a bit more seperate from the main station.

I would maybe alter the branch track so that the branch station ends up a bit further away from the main station as well, using the empty space at the top right. At the moment both stations are more or less parallel, making them seem like they are both part of the same station.

The two stations should also be seperated vertically, but I think you've got that already.

Congratulations! I think you have the basis for a great model railway! ThumpUp
Ray
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Offline rbw993  
#24 Posted : 09 December 2014 16:36:26(UTC)
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Hi,
I agree that the plan in post 19 is more visually appealing than the following version. One thing I would change is the backward facing siding at the res line terminus. It is virtually useless as the lead track is too short. Either extend the lead track or change the siding so that is entered from the "downhill" side.

Good luck and have fun,
Roger
Offline Alsterstreek  
#25 Posted : 09 December 2014 17:17:26(UTC)
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But it is a very complex layout for someone to start with!


Exactly. Multi-level layouts are visually appealing, but there is the risk that one looses interest when the construction is too complex. This is a tri-level design with a hidden shadow station after all. You have enough space available to start with a single-level layout. Maybe you should start with a flat baseboard and landscape mock-ups to warm up with the hobby.

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Offline mundomadelman  
#26 Posted : 09 December 2014 23:03:38(UTC)
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Hi, i have a dude, many people are writing me, and suggest me not make this layout, write me is better make a layout in L form, is better for work, for play and more posibilities.

what do you thing ?

i can make a U

200 x 360 x 320 cms.

maybe only one level, or 2 levels with shadow station.

??

can you send me plans marklin ideas ?? thanks
Offline mundomadelman  
#27 Posted : 10 December 2014 12:40:04(UTC)
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Since this is a project that I want to do to long way term, that is to say, that I do not have hurry to finish it ... I am going to reconsider the topic of the model, and to fit the room, and to do the model in Or or L, it depends on what mas becomes convinced. The width? So in someone it forms a corner where there is going to go the swing bridge or a curl of return, even on having put two levels, which it is in the same corner, mas broad for the curl and this way I take advantage of the same width for the swing bridge, and the curl of low return. It does not matter for me if the bridge girario ends in the corner. Importantly, me gustaria, secondary station, for short trains, 4 or 6 coaches like much.Practically what I am going to use they are steam engines small or medium. Diesel Algun or it schemes of maneuvers, but minimum, for having some variation that goes of step along my model, but that was not stopping practically for anything. The small one, always small sawmill, where a route comes with some coaches to take machinery or to unload trunks that were coming to a small port, always small, from river probably that has some route, where the derrick unloads the wood in order that they could go away for ship to a great imaginary port. The station must have the own maintenance of the vapor.And certainly a small people where it raises a train, good of passengers in order that the tourists see the people qu ellegan to the station, good for the workers who go or come from the port or sawmill, or to take goods to the people, parcel service and demas. the setting, this one clearly that rural. This is what me gustaria. the averages are brought near and always I can lengthen little mas everything but if it can be done by this green space, prefer it. The station, maneuver jousts, to leave some coaches, to change machine, etc...

can you send me your ideas and help me ?

have you got a layout similar that i need ? thanks

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Offline mundomadelman  
#28 Posted : 10 December 2014 12:55:30(UTC)
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PD: no quiero hacer una hyper maqueta llena de vias por todos lados, ya que quiero que parezca real, dificil tarea, pero no me gustan las maquetas atiborradas de vias, a veces, o casi siempre, menos es mas. por eso no quiero demasiado tramos intermedios o ocultos llenos de vias. una vez que la maqueta vaya al nivel oculto, que llegue a la estacoin oculta y vuelva y ya esta. total, una vez en la estacion oculta, me parece mas correcto que se estacione el tren hasta qu ele toce volver de su destino, que estar dando vueltas sin sentido oculto.
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#29 Posted : 10 December 2014 14:33:10(UTC)
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Quoting a former post by forum member BrandonVA:

Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
You could try the old Marklin track planning books too:

http://www.lctm.info/Biblioteca/Libros/index.htm

0350, 0351, 0390 and 0700. They may give you some ideas you can modify for your liking. I especially like #27 in 0700. It's sort of an L :)

You could also look at the 1971 catalog, here:

http://www.lctm.info/Biblioteca/Catalogos/Marklin/

The featured layout is an L. Very cool classic Marklin layout. BigDaddyNZ (David) has built this layout.

-Brandon


Then, you could consult the official M* track plan library:

http://www.maerklin.de/mm/gleisplan_downloads.php
Offline Alsterstreek  
#30 Posted : 10 December 2014 22:55:30(UTC)
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Food for thought:

"Simple" two level L-shape layout track plan from one of the above books, boasting a hump yard.
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Offline mundomadelman  
#31 Posted : 11 December 2014 00:11:58(UTC)
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thanks. i study.
Offline mundomadelman  
#32 Posted : 12 December 2014 23:37:06(UTC)
mundomadelman

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I have new sizes, can you help me with new layout plans please ?

thanks
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#33 Posted : 16 December 2014 11:19:35(UTC)
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Offline Alsterstreek  
#34 Posted : 17 December 2014 12:20:50(UTC)
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German MRR trackplan archive:

http://www.moba-trickkis...tenbank-gleisplaene.html

Maßstab = scale: select HO
Größe = surface: select desired size

Good luck!
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