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Offline morsing  
#1 Posted : 06 September 2014 17:54:58(UTC)
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Hi,

I'm having trouble with setting up my Roco trains and Google isn't helping much. The guide that comes with the trains seem to refer to the old original Marklin Digital stuff.

Is it even possible to set this up? Things like sound level, acceleration, extra sound functions etc?

Thanks
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Offline H0  
#2 Posted : 06 September 2014 19:23:00(UTC)
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Hi!

Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Is it even possible to set this up? Things like sound level, acceleration, extra sound functions etc?
The answer is: definitely yes.

Your next question will then be: How?

My next question will then be: Which controller do you have? Which loco do you have?

MS2 and CS2 support DCC. Just register the loco manually as a new DCC loco and you will be able to change the address and other CVs. And you will be able to use F0 through F15.

This is not documented in the loco manual. Refer to your controller manual for information about DCC programming.
Regards
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#3 Posted : 06 September 2014 20:03:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!

Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Is it even possible to set this up? Things like sound level, acceleration, extra sound functions etc?
The answer is: definitely yes.

Your next question will then be: How?

My next question will then be: Which controller do you have? Which loco do you have?

MS2 and CS2 support DCC. Just register the loco manually as a new DCC loco and you will be able to change the address and other CVs. And you will be able to use F0 through F15.

This is not documented in the loco manual. Refer to your controller manual for information about DCC programming.


Hi,

I have an MS2 and the locos are Roco 69713 and 69061.

When I try to change setting like sound, speed and acceleration on the MS2, it says "Changes will not be sent to loco" and... They aren't.

Also, lots of CV settings in the loco manual, how to set those?

Thanks
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Offline H0  
#4 Posted : 06 September 2014 20:17:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
When I try to change setting like sound, speed and acceleration on the MS2, it says "Changes will not be sent to loco" and... They aren't.
How did you register the loco? "MM with DIP switches" (however they called) will not work. And changes cannot be saved from the slave MS2.
"Detect loco" should find them as DCC locos, but I'd register them manually. Register one, change the address, then register the other.

Some early Roco three-rail locos didn't support DCC ("Detect loco" should find them as MM locos). Some of them have a programming button on the decoder board. Some have DIP switches to set the address.
Does the loco manual mention a programming button or DIP switches?
Regards
Tom
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Offline morsing  
#5 Posted : 06 September 2014 21:36:03(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
And changes cannot be saved from the slave MS2.
"Detect loco" should find them as DCC locos, but I'd register them manually.


Maybe this is my problem, how do I tell which one is the slave?

It find them fine, just can't change most of the settings.

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

Some early Roco three-rail locos didn't support DCC ("Detect loco" should find them as MM locos). Some of them have a programming button on the decoder board. Some have DIP switches to set the address.
Does the loco manual mention a programming button or DIP switches?


It only mentions dip switches on the Marklin 6021.

It does mention beeping noises during programming, but I don't get any of that.

It says you can program rarely used things such as speed curve, which I would like to do as well, as the speed curve looks really odd.

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Offline H0  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2014 21:56:43(UTC)
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Try to create a DCC loco manually and see if you can run the locos (at least one of them).
If they run, programming should also work.
Regards
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#7 Posted : 06 September 2014 22:15:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Try to create a DCC loco manually and see if you can run the locos (at least one of them).
If they run, programming should also work.


Hi,

Running is fine, and it finds them automatically, I just can't change settings...
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#8 Posted : 06 September 2014 22:25:09(UTC)
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Master is the MS2 with the lowest serial number. In the Information menu you will see either Master or Slave at the bottom of the list.

If the settings like ACC, DEC, Volume do not work, try the CV programming.
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Offline morsing  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2014 22:27:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

If the settings like ACC, DEC, Volume do not work, try the CV programming.


Where is the CV programming?
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#10 Posted : 06 September 2014 22:34:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Where is the CV programming?
I think it's somewhere under "Edit loco".

Regards
Tom
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#11 Posted : 07 September 2014 07:56:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
Where is the CV programming?
I think it's somewhere under "Edit loco".



"Change loco"? It's not. It only has change functions, Vmax/min, acc/dec & volume. And they do nothing.

But you were right about master/slave though, my other MS2 doesn't give me the message about not saving to loco. Not that it makes it works though. I've tried setting the volume to min and max values and it makes no difference.

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#12 Posted : 07 September 2014 09:52:37(UTC)
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Hi Morsing,

The next menu item after "Change loco" is "program loco". This is where you change the CV addresses.

After selecting "Program Loco" you are prompted to enter the CV to change. Once you enter a number for this (eg. 01 for changing the loco address) then you are prompted to enter a value for this CV. After this the values will be written into your loco decoder, and the loco lights will flash indicating that the loco is receiving the new value.

Very important! Make sure the loco to be programmed is the only one on the track. If it isn't you will get mayhem! Either nothing will change, or you will change values on the wrong loco, or all the locos on the layout will be programmed to the same address, depending on which type of locos are on the track at the time. Trust me, it's happened to me more than once accidentally, and it's a pain to get all the locos back to the right settings.
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#13 Posted : 07 September 2014 15:47:26(UTC)
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Hi Ray,

On the master MS2, the menu is called "Program Loco" but when I enter it says "Loco not programmable".

On the slave MS2, the menu is called "Program CV" but it has a line through it and I can't go in there...

Thanks
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#14 Posted : 07 September 2014 15:52:48(UTC)
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Ray,

I un-plugged the power and the master MS2 and when I put power back on the slave said "No locos".

I went in an picked "Setup manually" and "MM2 Programmable" (can't remember what I picked last time) and this time is seems to work and it looks like I can set CV values.

What happens whern I plug the master MS2 back in though?

Thanks
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Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 07 September 2014 16:21:44(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
I went in an picked "Setup manually" and "MM2 Programmable" (can't remember what I picked last time) and this time is seems to work and it looks like I can set CV values.
When you scroll down the list you can select DCC - and DCC allows to read and write CVs where MM can write them only.

Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
What happens whern I plug the master MS2 back in though?
The loco list is stored on the Master. With the old Master you will also get the old loco list again

Regards
Tom
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Offline RayF  
#16 Posted : 07 September 2014 16:25:19(UTC)
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You program the loco using the master MS2. When you unplugged the master you effectively made the slave into the master.

The only time you get "loco not programmable" is when the loco has been entered as a "MM2 coding switches". You must have picked this option when you first entered the loco.
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#17 Posted : 07 September 2014 16:56:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Hi!

The loco list is stored on the Master. With the old Master you will also get the old loco list again



So do I need to reset the master? Maybe I just need to reset everything and start over...

Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post

The only time you get "loco not programmable" is when the loco has been entered as a "MM2 coding switches". You must have picked this option when you first entered the loco.


I probably did as I didn't know what I was doing...
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#18 Posted : 07 September 2014 17:09:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: morsing Go to Quoted Post
So do I need to reset the master?
It should be enough to delete and re-register the loco you modified with the former Slave. In the future this will allow you to program the loco from the Master.

Regards
Tom
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