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Offline steventrain  
#1 Posted : 19 August 2014 19:44:47(UTC)
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Märklin Storeloco 39955 "Jacobs Kaffee" limited to 500 - Only from Märklin Stores:
•Amsterdam
•Utrecht
•Essen
•Mainz
•Stuttgart
•München
•Neustadt
•Bergamo (Italy)

See image - >39955 Railcar Jacobs Kaffee'<


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#2 Posted : 19 August 2014 19:59:19(UTC)
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Offline supermoee  
#3 Posted : 19 August 2014 20:28:38(UTC)
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Hello,

the selling of the normal VT95 seems not to be succesful. The pricing is going down and now they are already coming out with limited editions with alternative paintings and weatherings. This happened quite fast.

rgds

Stephan
Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 19 August 2014 20:52:13(UTC)
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Maybe they made too many?

I also think they've made the VT95 too soon after the recent model of the Br798 railbus. They are very similar after all.
Ray
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#5 Posted : 19 August 2014 21:33:32(UTC)
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Well the reason I'm hesitating is because the VT95 needs to make a "run around" when it arrives at the destination. With the permanent power coupler between the two wagons I cannot figure out how to solve this. My Fleischmann VT95 has normal couplers.

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Offline steventrain  
#6 Posted : 19 August 2014 21:48:14(UTC)
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Did not sell well? I think that's is 3-poles in it.
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Offline RayF  
#7 Posted : 19 August 2014 21:53:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Did not sell well? I think that's is 3-poles in it.


Hi Stephen,

It could be a factor, but other locos with 3 pole motors have sold well, I think, and most owners don't really care what the motor is if it runs OK.
Ray
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Offline biedmatt  
#8 Posted : 19 August 2014 21:58:46(UTC)
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The previous era 3 version 39984 had sinus drive plus a bell sound. This looses the bell for the ability to turn off lights at cab 1 and 2. A bad trade.
Matt
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DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline RayF  
#9 Posted : 19 August 2014 22:01:16(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
The previous era 3 version 39984 had sinus drive plus a bell sound. This looses the bell for the ability to turn off lights at cab 1 and 2. A bad trade.


The real one wasn't fitted with a bell?
Ray
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Offline biedmatt  
#10 Posted : 19 August 2014 22:09:10(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
The previous era 3 version 39984 had sinus drive plus a bell sound. This looses the bell for the ability to turn off lights at cab 1 and 2. A bad trade.


The real one wasn't fitted with a bell?


Maybe not, the MFX decoder came out of mine and a LokSnd with ESU's VT95/VT98 program went in. None the less, I'll take sinus drive any day, even if this did have a five pole.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
Offline RayF  
#11 Posted : 20 August 2014 00:14:43(UTC)
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Realistically, they are not going back to the expensive C-Sine or SDS motors, with their non-standard decoder requirements.

Best we can hope for is a Faulhaber type motor, but those are also expensive. I think we might as well get used to the fact that they are going to carry on using these new 3 pole motors....
Ray
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Offline H0  
#12 Posted : 20 August 2014 08:10:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Did not sell well? I think that's is 3-poles in it.
It could be a factor, but other locos with 3 pole motors have sold well, I think, and most owners don't really care what the motor is if it runs OK.
Once bitten, twice shy.
Previous models with three-pole motors sold well, but not all buyers outside Gibraltar are happy with them. Some decided they won't get fooled again.

Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
The real one wasn't fitted with a bell?
An era III branchline train without bell? Impossible.
Even BR 03 and BR 50 had bells for use on branchlines - those without a permanent bell got one temporarily when used on branchlines.
Regards
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Offline RayF  
#13 Posted : 20 August 2014 09:03:22(UTC)
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Quote:
Previous models with three-pole motors sold well, but not all buyers outside Gibraltar are happy with them. Some decided they won't get fooled again.



Ouch! That sort of implies that I'm the only person in the world happy with a Marklin model with a 3 pole motor. I've seen several posts in this forum of members saying they're quite happy with their new locos when the loco in question has definitely had a 3 pole motor. Not everyone is as unhappy with the new motors as you seem to think.

Quote:
An era III branchline train without bell? Impossible.
Even BR 03 and BR 50 had bells for use on branchlines - those without a permanent bell got one temporarily when used on branchlines.


I bow to your superior knowledge. I just couldn't see a bell in any of the photos I've seen of the model or the prototype.
Ray
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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 20 August 2014 10:17:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
That sort of implies that I'm the only person in the world happy with a Marklin model with a 3 pole motor.
It does not imply this and it is not meant to imply this. It does not even imply that everybody in Gibraltar is happy will all Märklin purchases.

You are happy with all your Märklin purchases (at least this is the impression I got from your posts on this forum). But not everybody is happy with all of her/his Märklin purchases and with some persons this has led to a reduction of Märklin purchases.

Märklin do not give us sales figures for individual models.

Regards
Tom
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Offline H0  
#15 Posted : 20 August 2014 11:29:41(UTC)
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The bell is hidden under the train:
See this post on DSO:
http://www.drehscheibe-o...oren/read.php?17,7018811

You may have to click the link twice. Search for "E 76" to find a picture that is clear as mud.

Long story short: you cannot see it on the model, but the prototype had it and it's nice to get the sound of a bell with an era III model.
Regards
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Offline RayF  
#16 Posted : 20 August 2014 11:32:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
That sort of implies that I'm the only person in the world happy with a Marklin model with a 3 pole motor.


....

You are happy with all your Märklin purchases (at least this is the impression I got from your posts on this forum)....



I'm sorry I gave that impression. I'm not always happy with my Marklin purchases.

* My 37140 T3 has run like a wounded duck since I bought her, and no amount of tinkering has totally improved the performance.
* I am not happy with the assortment Marklin offers for catenary or signals, and I bought Viessmann instead.
* The MS2 has many shortcomings, and I agree with others who say there should be a mechanism for updating this without needing a CS2.
* The much vaunted (in some circles) traditional Marklin motor is noisy, rough, and hard to improve without serious modification
* Marklin spends too much energy on "one-off" specials, and nothing stays in the catalogue for more than 10 minutes


Need I go on? There is a lot that does not please me from Marklin. The difference from others is that I don't spend all of my precious forum time complaining about these things.

However, on the point of the 3 pole motor. I can genuinely say that I have not had a single one of these locos give me poor performance so far. Yes, the slow running speed may be slower on some other locos, but what I get is sufficient for my needs. I have no desire to have a model loco moving slower (scale speed) than the protototype can achieve. None of my recent locos jerks on starting, neither do they run unevenly, and the acceleration is smooth and steps are not noticeable. Maybe I've been lucky? I'll inform the forum the day I get a worse performing loco, as I did when I got my T3.

I'm sorry to go on about it, but I really don't like to give the impression I'm some kind of idiot (or fool...) who accepts blindly everything Marklin sends my way. I mainly buy Marklin because it's what I grew up with, and I love the items they produce, and the way they make them. I have bought other makers products as well, and some are OK, but they don't thrill me in the same way. It's hard to explain.
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Offline RayF  
#17 Posted : 20 August 2014 11:36:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The bell is hidden under the train:
See this post on DSO:
http://www.drehscheibe-o...oren/read.php?17,7018811

You may have to click the link twice. Search for "E 76" to find a picture that is clear as mud.

Long story short: you cannot see it on the model, but the prototype had it and it's nice to get the sound of a bell with an era III model.


So that's why I couln't find one!

Thanks for the info!
Ray
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Offline Goofy  
#18 Posted : 20 August 2014 20:36:25(UTC)
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I don´t get it...
Did this rail bus exist with that advertising in prototype?
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Offline pa-pauls  
#19 Posted : 20 August 2014 21:06:52(UTC)
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I just ordered the model and hope to pick it up in about 4 weeks time when I am in Germany,,,
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#20 Posted : 20 August 2014 21:20:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Goofy Go to Quoted Post
Did this rail bus exist with that advertising in prototype?


I have not been able to find any pictures. The flyer does not seem to indicate whether or not there is a prototype. Perhaps someone somewhere has a picture. This particular advertising is plausible though and that is sometimes good enough - at least for me.

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Offline river6109  
#21 Posted : 21 August 2014 02:30:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Realistically, they are not going back to the expensive C-Sine or SDS motors, with their non-standard decoder requirements.

Best we can hope for is a Faulhaber type motor, but those are also expensive. I think we might as well get used to the fact that they are going to carry on using these new 3 pole motors....


We always get told its too expensive and we have to cut back and the fact is it has nothing to do with the model, its the shareholder and profit margins which dominate and drive these actions and we as train enthusiasts pay more and get less, haven't heard anything bad about the 3 pole motor so far.

I like to know how much money they pour into marketing to be affective and how much goes into the design and which market strategy cuts corners, I don't think its the marketing and I think there is more energy going into marketing to convince the buyer he's getting a good deal for his new loco, I also think locos are these days a byproduct of the ever growing and necessary marketing power, just look at car advertising, GPS and bluetooth are the dominant advertising factors about buying a new car.
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Offline H0  
#22 Posted : 21 August 2014 08:15:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
haven't heard anything bad about the 3 pole motor so far.
Yes, we hardly had any threads about three-pole motors with bad performance on this forum. It was hardly ever discussed on Stummi's Forum either. I use a very strong SEP field for three-pole motors used by a certain market leader. No problem for me any more.
Three-pole motors are very budget friendly. Since January my deposits grew considerably.
Regards
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Offline Emil  
#23 Posted : 21 August 2014 17:37:50(UTC)
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Hi!

If anyone is interested there is a very thorough test available on Youtube from
Modellbahnshop-Lippe.



It's not the "Kaffee" version but should give an idea about the sounds and running caracteristics of the model.

I would also like to add that the Märklin three pole is possible to "tame" with the use of a good decoder like an ESU or Zimo. The motor can be made to run incredibly smooth, very similar to a ROCO motor.

Only problem I've experienced is with the carbon brushes. These can start to make a hissing noise at low speed. It's an easy fix though. After pulling the flywheels off. Just pry apart the two metal tabs holding the motor together and pull the rotor out. Clean the brushes and the commutators and put everything back in reverse order. Fixed! Great motors!

Best Regards!

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Offline RayF  
#24 Posted : 21 August 2014 20:01:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Emil Go to Quoted Post
Hi!

If anyone is interested there is a very thorough test available on Youtube from
Modellbahnshop-Lippe.



It's not the "Kaffee" version but should give an idea about the sounds and running caracteristics of the model.

I would also like to add that the Märklin three pole is possible to "tame" with the use of a good decoder like an ESU or Zimo. The motor can be made to run incredibly smooth, very similar to a ROCO motor.

Only problem I've experienced is with the carbon brushes. These can start to make a hissing noise at low speed. It's an easy fix though. After pulling the flywheels off. Just pry apart the two metal tabs holding the motor together and pull the rotor out. Clean the brushes and the commutators and put everything back in reverse order. Fixed! Great motors!

Best Regards!

Emil


Thanks Emil. That was an excellent review, and speaks very highly of the raibus. I don't understand German, but with the English subtitles on I could more or less follow it. I note that the minimum speed was measured to be 1.6 kph, which was described as excellent, and the running was smooth, not jerky.

The only negative points I saw were:

The positioning of the speaker, which is quite visible in the interior,
The lighting arrangements on the trailer, which show red even when going backwards,
The maximum speed was a shade too fast at 137 kph.

I was impressed with the railbus in this video, and I might reconsider my original decision to not get one of these. It certainly shows up the deficiencies in my old 3016/4018! BigGrin
Ray
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Offline H0  
#25 Posted : 21 August 2014 21:03:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
The lighting arrangements on the trailer, which show red even when going backwards
It can only show red and it only goes backwards during shunting. In real operation the trailer is always at the rear end (this is no push/pull train).

Regards
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Offline RayF  
#26 Posted : 21 August 2014 21:10:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
The lighting arrangements on the trailer, which show red even when going backwards
It can only show red and it only goes backwards during shunting. In real operation the trailer is always at the rear end (this is no push/pull train).



Yes, I knew that. In the absence of an easy way to run around the trailer I thought they would at least put directional lights in the trailer, but on second thoughts maybe this is not a good idea.

I wonder, is it possible to replace the coupler bar with normal conducting couplers? That would be a better solution.
Ray
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Offline H0  
#27 Posted : 21 August 2014 21:38:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I wonder, is it possible to replace the coupler bar with normal conducting couplers?
The coupler pockets are lower than normal and there could be problems with the centre rail studs on turnouts.

Buy two and run a push/pull consist VT+VB+VB+VT.

Regards
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Offline Emil  
#28 Posted : 22 August 2014 13:28:53(UTC)
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Hi again!

I would like to add that if you're not happy with the sound functions that Märklin supply. Or is looking for some sounds to add to your Trix version.
Zimo has a fantastic sound-project for the Vt.95. Shown in the video below together with a Fleischmann version of the railcar.



The almost twostroke like, non-resonated sound of the Büssing boxer diesel engine really comes to life in this project.

Regards!

Emil
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#29 Posted : 22 August 2014 15:12:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
In the absence of an easy way to run around the trailer I thought they would at least put directional lights in the trailer, but on second thoughts maybe this is not a good idea.


Nooo!   Glad you came around though...



Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I wonder, is it possible to replace the coupler bar with normal conducting couplers? That would be a better solution.


For my catenary maintenance railcar I bought some Roco Universal couplers that can be adjusted in height. I mounted the coupler mount upside down (I had to file a little, but rather the coupler than the railcar) and now it can couple with normal wagons. It is not in anyway a bullet proof solution, it has proven a bit error prone. But it generally works. They are not power conducting of course.


I would much rather that Märklin created some sort of solution for this. Because having to buy two as Tom suggests is not really on my budget. 


If everything else fail you can always buy a turntable and deal with it that way.


 

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Offline RayF  
#30 Posted : 22 August 2014 17:36:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
In the absence of an easy way to run around the trailer I thought they would at least put directional lights in the trailer, but on second thoughts maybe this is not a good idea.
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<p>Nooo!&nbsp;<img src="/forum/Images/Emoticons/msp_scared.gif" alt="" />&nbsp; Glad you came around though... <img src="/forum/Images/Emoticons/msp_smile.gif" alt="" /></p>
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
I wonder, is it possible to replace the coupler bar with normal conducting couplers? That would be a better solution.
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<p>For my catenary maintenance railcar I bought some Roco Universal couplers that can be adjusted in height. I mounted the coupler mount upside down (I had to file a little, but rather the coupler than the railcar) and now it can couple with normal wagons. It is not&nbsp;in anyway a bullet proof solution, it has proven a bit error prone. But it generally works. They are not power conducting of course.</p>
<p>I would much rather that M&auml;rklin&nbsp;created some sort of solution for this. Because having to buy two as&nbsp;Tom suggests is not really on my budget.&nbsp;</p>
<p>If everything else fail you can always buy a turntable and deal with it that way.</p>
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Thanks for your comments.

These railbuses were used extensively on branch lines, so the normal mode of operation must have been to run round the trailer at the terminus. With my 3016+4018 I often simulate this on my layout.

I can't see that I would accept to have this railbus/trailer operating only in one direction, and a turntable or turning triangle would be a bit over the top on my layout.

I guess I would have to use it without the trailer if I wanted it to run in both directions....
Ray
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Offline GlennM  
#31 Posted : 22 August 2014 19:26:11(UTC)
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Mine has been ordered Drool Drool

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#32 Posted : 22 August 2014 20:27:17(UTC)
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It is too "modern" for me, but I like the looks of it very much - kind of like bus advertising...

Hope there will be real photos posted on the forum later... Smile
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#33 Posted : 22 August 2014 20:30:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post

If everything else fail you can always buy a turntable and deal with it that way.


A wye at your terminal station is another solution. We agree there is no easy way to uncouple and "run around", besides only one coupler on each unit has current conducting capabilities. So even if current conducting couplers would work, your trailer wouldn't have any power for its lights. You may be able to fix that, but I have not disassembeled my 39984 to see if the conducting clips could be added to the coupler pockets. A turntable would work, but that isn't cheap and more than I think one would find at a (prototype) branch terminal station. A wye would allow you to turn it all around. It would't need to be to large either since it is only a two unit consist.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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Offline H0  
#34 Posted : 22 August 2014 21:28:06(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
besides only one coupler on each unit has current conducting capabilities.
Are you sure? The 39984 is a different prototype (VT 98.9) and can operate in push/pull consists (configuration VT+VS or VT+VB+VS). So for the VT 98.9 there is no need to have power conducting couplers at both ends.

The product description for the VT 95.9 (39950) reads: "Dual red marker lights are on for the trailer car depending on the position of the motor car."
I presume the VT 95.9 has all couplers prepared to conduct power.

Regards
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#35 Posted : 22 August 2014 21:44:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
besides only one coupler on each unit has current conducting capabilities.
Are you sure?



Very sure. Yesterday I added a bell function to my ESU decoder. The sinus drive does not permit a download to the decoder when installed in the lok. So I seperated the two units to make handling it easier as I removed the decoder. When I put it back together, the missing coupler pocket clip allowed me to readily determine "front" and "back".
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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#36 Posted : 22 August 2014 21:50:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
The sinus drive ...
Sinus drive? You are off topic. You have a VT 98.9, this thread is about the VT 95.9.
An owner of the VT 95.9 should check her/his train.

Regards
Tom
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#37 Posted : 22 August 2014 23:25:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post

I presume the VT 95.9 has all couplers prepared to conduct power.



Perhaps they are, but as we can't get Marklin to do the same on coach sets with factory lighting and factory supplied current conducting couplers (we are forced into a fixed car placement and direction), I would find it odd that they decided to do something different on a set that uses a "permanent" coupler requiring the equivalent of the hand of God to remove the consist from the track and separate the the two pieces so you could then operate the VT95.9 as the DB does.

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
The product description for the VT 95.9 (39950) reads: "Dual red marker lights are on for the trailer car depending on the position of the motor car."



Tom, I figured you of all people here at M-users would take Marklin's product description with a grain of salt (now recollecting the motor icon with five stars thread). I see no reason for Marklin to make them current capable when there is no (model railroading capable) situation where you could operate it as the DB did. By the time you remove it from the track to separate the pieces and swap position, you could just flip it around and not have to mess with uncoupling the drawbar. You yourself said the coupler pocket is probably too low for the current conducting couplers (post #27), so you couldn't just replace the drawbar and uncouple the motor coach and run it around to the other side. Unnecessary current capable couplers would also run counter to their "If it works without this part, why supply it?" cost cutting attitude.

Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
The sinus drive ...
Sinus drive? You are off topic. You have a VT 98.9, this thread is about the VT 95.9.
An owner of the VT 95.9 should check her/his train.



Hopefully someone will, I'm curious. At the moment, it appears I am the only one here with a mechanically identical unit, sinus drive excepted.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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#38 Posted : 22 August 2014 23:47:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
At the moment, it appears I am the only one here with a mechanically identical unit, sinus drive excepted.
You miss my point: you have a model of a completely different prototype. This thread is about a 2014 new mould.
Regards
Tom
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#39 Posted : 23 August 2014 00:15:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
At the moment, it appears I am the only one here with a mechanically identical unit, sinus drive excepted.
You miss my point: you have a model of a completely different prototype. This thread is about a 2014 new mould.


I got your point, you say it is a completely different model as it is based on a different prototype. I say that although the body moldings may be different due to differences between the VT95 and VT98, the mechanics of 39984 and 39950/39955 are the same underneath that body molding with the exception of the motor. Compare the (extensive) instructions to replace the rubber tire on both units. With the exception that 39984 provides part numbers in the instructions that match the exploded parts diagram at the back of the manual, they are identical. You VT95 guys btw will want to download that manual since those referenced part numbers make it easier to understand what you are doing. "Remove four screws, #4" is much clearer than "Remove four screws". I am not the only one who says these instructions are the same, see link below. Also compare the exploded diagrams themselves. The pieces are physically the same. The only difference is the instructions for 39984 provide part numbers for most every part. 39950/39955 only provides replacement part numbers for a few parts. Another result of the cost cutting measures. I know Marklin claim the 39950 is "Completely new tooling". We also wait for years for a loko update, but they will scrap the newish (2006 release) 39980/39984 VT98 tooling that will work with a VT95? And to what aim? Clearly not to make it easier to service, nor make the speaker less obtrussive in the interior. Both valid complaints I would hope "all new tooling" would correct. Based on all the arguments I have just provided, I maintain completely new tooling is an error in the 39950 description. The trailer car is the only completely new tooled component. I am not saying the product description is inaccurate on purpose, just a mistake. It is due to this identical mechanical structure of the power unit that I provided info based on what I have observed with my 39984. If you feel those observations are irrelevant, so be it.

https://www.marklin-user...and-body.aspx#post457450

Edited by user 23 August 2014 04:17:49(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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#40 Posted : 23 August 2014 05:01:05(UTC)
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This is interesting:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/...&hash=item2ed4f6eeaf

See the picture of the bottom. They have put current conducting coupler pockets on both ends of both units. Not sure how they expect you to take advantage of them with a "permanent" coupler bar as you still can not readily separate the two elements from each other and run the motor unit around to the other side, but they are there none the less. Perhaps current conducting couplers will clear the center studs at switches. The bottom of the power unit is the same as my 39984 with the exception of details. So mechanically they are the same as the disassembly instructions and exploded diagram suggests. And now we know. Hopefully someone can tell us if the drawbar can be replaced with couplers. Then you could actually use the feature.
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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#41 Posted : 23 August 2014 08:21:30(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: biedmatt Go to Quoted Post
They have put current conducting coupler pockets on both ends of both units.
I expected that.
The product database contains many incorrect information, caused by their maintenance method with care for detail and love for accuracy (the method is known as "quick'n'dirty cut'n'paste").
But if they write something new then it's often true for the model where they use the text for the first time.

Rumours say that Märklin had been negotiating with T4T about the automatic T4T couplers.
This VT 95.9 (39950 and 39955) would be an excellent candidate for that type of coupler. The lowered NEM pockets shouldn't be a problem here.

Rumours say that the T4T offer was only a few cents more expensive (per coupler) than Mother M's expectations, but they couldn't come to an agreement in the end.

Powering both sides also reduces "lights not working false alerts" when people connect trains the wrong way. With the new model there is no wrong way.
Regards
Tom
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#42 Posted : 23 August 2014 14:11:58(UTC)
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Unfortunate. It could have been great, with a feature that would be unique in Marklin's product line - essentially a current conducting, low force telex coupler perfect for prototype operation. They'd have sold like mad with this feature. I would have bought one. All apparently nixed over the cost. Now you can buy it with advertising plastered on the side, all for a mere 110 Euro premium.

http://www.tec4trains.co...T4T_flyer_2011_web_E.pdf
Matt
Era 3
DB lokos, coaches and freight cars from across Europe
But I do have the obligatory (six) SBB Krocs
ECoS 50200, all FX and MFX decoders replaced with ESU V4s, operated in DCC-RailCom+ with ABC brake control.
With the exception of the passenger wagens with Marklin current conducting couplers, all close couplers have been replaced with Roco 40397.
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#43 Posted : 23 August 2014 14:49:53(UTC)
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AS far AS I know, the VT95.9 has a five pole motor! The VT75.9 has a 5 pole Motor, too. The same for the BR 89.75. These very small and compact Motors are 5 pole.

Therefore, the motor is quite good, not as good as the SDS but much better then the 3-pole China drives. If there is a VT 95.9 for 160€, I will buy one (I paid this price for my VT75.9 with sound).
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#44 Posted : 23 August 2014 22:28:45(UTC)
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Hi Moritz!

I guess you could be right. According to the et-list for the vt. 95 (39950) the motor is part number E180368 and cost 89,00 €.

My DB Br. 216 Lollo (37740) has the three pole and in the et-list for that loco
the motor is listed as part nr. E162120 and cost 29,50 €.

Good that Märklin uses the five pole! Keep it up! Laugh


Best regards!

Emil
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#45 Posted : 28 August 2014 18:46:36(UTC)
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39955 is starting delivery.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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#46 Posted : 29 August 2014 16:16:16(UTC)
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Hi alls.

I see the beautiful cars, and think so have only the motor car, but if make the leyend Jacobs Kaffee and putting in your laterals is sufficent for me.

The 500 unities are very few for the world, and your price is exagerated for many countries.

This is not new in the market, Kato have in N with other model from more time, here Marklin repeat the same models.

In end!

Macer
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#47 Posted : 29 September 2014 20:49:32(UTC)
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39955 is now complete sold out.
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
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#48 Posted : 30 September 2014 10:47:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
39955 is now complete sold out.


I've got one,,, ThumpUp
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