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Offline Andy18  
#1 Posted : 19 July 2012 15:13:09(UTC)
Andy18


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Hi everyone,
Back after 3 years.

Has any one been able to use CS 60214 with latest software to operate the7286 through a Viessmann 5213 as per the instructions from the CS?
Anybody that has the proper wiring diagram how to hook it up?
I did program the 5213 and I do get the relays to engage, but the only thing that I get out of the TT when I try to operate it is a loud buzzing noise coming from the TT (as if I am feeding AC current to the motor).
I have tried every possible wiring and get no results.
The diodes are in place and they do rectify.
Any suggestions are welcomed.
Thanks

Edited by user 26 July 2012 12:40:32(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 19 July 2012 21:33:13(UTC)
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I tried the wiring setup as defined in the CS2 help, but had no success with it.


I ended up wiring up the 5213 using the method described by Dale Schultz on his website, which works well.


http://modeltrain.serveh...igitizing_turntable_7286


Rather than butchering the 7286 controller to remove the bridge rectifier, I purchased a new one for a few dollars - I think the rectifier I got is rated at 400v / 2amps, which is fine for this purpose. Just keep in mind that the pins on the rectifier you get might be different to the one shown in Dale's picture, you need to adjust the wiring of the circuit accordingly, something I had to do. Otherwise, it all works well.
Offline Andy18  
#3 Posted : 19 July 2012 23:06:10(UTC)
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I was thinking of using Dale's method, but how do you program the CS?
The CS programed for the TT will only activate 2 relays from the 5213, and Dale's pictures shows he is using a 3rd relay.
How did you program your CS?
Can you post a diagram?
Thanks
Offline Ross  
#4 Posted : 19 July 2012 23:27:16(UTC)
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Hi Andy,

If you read my article shown below on page 11 see "Wiring Options" I explain how to use only two relays with a wiring diagram.

http://members.ozemail.com.au/~...table_analog_control.pdf

Originally Posted by: Andy18 Go to Quoted Post
I was thinking of using Dale's method, but how do you program the CS?
The CS programed for the TT will only activate 2 relays from the 5213, and Dale's pictures shows he is using a 3rd relay.
How did you program your CS?
Can you post a diagram?
Thanks

Edited by moderator 20 July 2012 01:14:12(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Ross
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 20 July 2012 01:12:08(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Originally Posted by: Andy18 Go to Quoted Post
I was thinking of using Dale's method, but how do you program the CS?
The CS programed for the TT will only activate 2 relays from the 5213, and Dale's pictures shows he is using a 3rd relay.
How did you program your CS?
Can you post a diagram?
Thanks


You just set the 5213 up as a normal K84 - don't set it up as a turntable. You will have 3 switches, activating switches 1 & 2 causes the turntable to rotate. To reverse, you turn off 1 then turn 3 on (2 will already be on).
Offline Andy18  
#6 Posted : 26 July 2012 12:10:21(UTC)
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Thank you all for your replays.
They all gave me bits of information to use. Result:

PROBLEM SOLVED!

I kept on being stuborn to use the CS2's supposedly built in ability to control the TT with the k84.
As I mentioned, it did not work.
This is what I came up with:

Works perfect.
What I needed was the abilty to reverse polarity at relay 1 on the decoder.
For the power supply I used an old laptop transformer. (DC)
The polarity reversing is being done by using the second set of contacts of the same relay.
The power is fed directly to centre contact, and by crossing the outer relay contacts, when you comand the relay left or right, it switches polarity.
When activating the TT, if you press the GO, the TT will turn until you hit the STOP button. If you only want to advance 1 track only, you just hit the STOP buton one.
I hope somebody else will benefit from my experience.
(While conducting different trials, I managed to fry 2 transistors, 3 ICs, which added many hours of useless troubleshooting that I have created Cursing ).

Andy

Edited by user 26 July 2012 12:40:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 12 August 2012 20:53:47(UTC)
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Is the external power supply fed to the red and blue wires, and what polarity did you use?

Also, what is the spec of the laptop power supply - 19.5v? And when you say 'fed to the centre contact' I hope that doesn't mean the centre rail??

And I take it you are using a standard turntable definition on the CS2, rather than a bunch of function buttons on a K84. Did you use one of the standard turntable decoder addresses?
Offline Andy18  
#8 Posted : 17 August 2012 00:01:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Is the external power supply fed to the red and blue wires, and what polarity did you use?

Also, what is the spec of the laptop power supply - 19.5v? And when you say 'fed to the centre contact' I hope that doesn't mean the centre rail??

And I take it you are using a standard turntable definition on the CS2, rather than a bunch of function buttons on a K84. Did you use one of the standard turntable decoder addresses?


Here's a picture of the decoder with the TT board attached to it:
Power supply is 15 VDC. Red wire is positive, Blue is Negative.
The power supply enters the decoder through the opening of the switch.
From left to right:
First set of wires are coming from the track.
Second set is from relay output 1. They flip the power. Centre is not used.
The last two are the ground needed to close the circuit.
The picture shows the complete set up. I only unplugged the ribbon cable to be easier to photograph.
I am using the CS's standard TT definition.
I hope this helps.
Please ask any other questions if needed
Andy
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 17 August 2012 00:26:08(UTC)
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Thanks Andy, looks to be an interesting solution.
Offline Andy18  
#10 Posted : 17 August 2012 11:42:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Thanks Andy, looks to be an interesting solution.


PS
You could use the middle outlet of relay 1 to feed the Positive wire.
If you want to get really creative, I guess you could separate the copper trace just where I marked the X, solder an extra female plug, make an extra hole in the housing, and voila:everything would look 100%.
I might give it a shot. If I will I will post some pictures.
Andy
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