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Offline Rinus  
#201 Posted : 19 May 2012 20:33:50(UTC)
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Your right Ian!

I should not complain. There is enough to do. Bougth some k2233 yesterday and got most of the helix problems repaired. Wanted to complete it today, but unfortunately I hurt my back when i tumbled over some roots of a tree yesterday, when running in the forrest. I'll have to wait until I can move again. In order to get in the helix you need to be very flexible BigGrin .

I might get started with Rocrail, whicj I plan to use on my layout.

Regards,

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#202 Posted : 16 June 2012 20:51:05(UTC)
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Hi guys!

Testing goes well and I allowed myself to start working on the upper works!

On top of the helix I want to create a forrested area with some water, a few buidlings and a road on which my faller car system busses can take their route.

Some pictures!

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And what do you think of my Signals? They are hand made from Krois Modell. All metall.

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Hope you enjoyed.

Rinus
Offline petestra  
#203 Posted : 16 June 2012 21:45:35(UTC)
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Hi Rinus, the layout is looking quite grand. The signals are very profi. Cheers,PeterThumpUp Smile
Offline kimballthurlow  
#204 Posted : 17 June 2012 01:29:25(UTC)
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Hi Rinua,
Congratulations on the layout progress - a lot of work.

39195 is still going strong.

regards
Kimball
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Offline river6109  
#205 Posted : 17 June 2012 02:29:29(UTC)
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Rinus,

It looks very much a professional job to me, everything is in line, nice curves, excellent choice of signals, the track plan is enormous and should give you enough room to show off your Austrian loco's.ThumpUpThumpUp

To be quite honest I can't wait, to see a double 1020 going past or your 1016's
there is one guy on another forum and he has created a Breenerbahn aswell and it looks fantastic, especially the scenery.

regards.,

John
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Offline Ian555  
#206 Posted : 17 June 2012 05:03:53(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great progress. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#207 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:33:26(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus, the layout is looking quite grand. The signals are very profi. Cheers,PeterThumpUp Smile


Hi Peter!

Yes not looking too bad arn't they? Looking forward to see them working. Perhaps next week.

There is very little space between the tracks so I had to cut some cork bedding away.

Regards,

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#208 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:37:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kimballthurlow Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinua,
Congratulations on the layout progress - a lot of work.

39195 is still going strong.

regards
Kimball


Thank you Kimbal! Hope to do some more work today, but I've got some work to do on the roof and Holland is playing tonight.

Well maybe if Ronaldop does a quick score, its over anyways and I can reset priorities!Cool

Best wishes to the E91!

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#209 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:46:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

It looks very much a professional job to me, everything is in line, nice curves, excellent choice of signals, the track plan is enormous and should give you enough room to show off your Austrian loco's.ThumpUpThumpUp

To be quite honest I can't wait, to see a double 1020 going past or your 1016's
there is one guy on another forum and he has created a Breenerbahn aswell and it looks fantastic, especially the scenery.

regards.,

John


Thanks John! It al seems to fit in nicely.

More than enough room. I can house 22 3,5 meter combinations in the hidden yard. At present I've got only 14 , so there is some room for investments BigGrin

I'm now testing with a double Rh 1012 and the ACME EC89 set. Looks awesome. Only the Rh 1670 is having trouble negotiating the 3,5% climbs when I attach more than one coach. I hope some new tires will do, otherwise its quite useless.

Also some of my sound loco's with ESU decoder drive suberb with sound off, but restart every few meters when sound is switched on. Must be some CV value Cursing Cursing Confused Confused

Do you have a link of this other guys lay-out? Need some inspiration on the scenery.

Regards,

Rinus



Offline Rinus  
#210 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:47:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ian555 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus,

Great progress. ThumpUp

Ian.



Thanks Ian! I have to keep up with yours! ThumpUp

Rinus

Offline Ian555  
#211 Posted : 17 June 2012 12:59:24(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Thanks, but you are way, way out in front, I've hardly bought any K track yet.

I think you're layout with the different Helix's looks awesome, following your progress closely. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline river6109  
#212 Posted : 17 June 2012 13:03:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

It looks very much a professional job to me, everything is in line, nice curves, excellent choice of signals, the track plan is enormous and should give you enough room to show off your Austrian loco's.ThumpUpThumpUp

To be quite honest I can't wait, to see a double 1020 going past or your 1016's
there is one guy on another forum and he has created a Breenerbahn aswell and it looks fantastic, especially the scenery.

regards.,

John


Thanks John! It al seems to fit in nicely.

More than enough room. I can house 22 3,5 meter combinations in the hidden yard. At present I've got only 14 , so there is some room for investments BigGrin

I'm now testing with a double Rh 1012 and the ACME EC89 set. Looks awesome. Only the Rh 1670 is having trouble negotiating the 3,5% climbs when I attach more than one coach. I hope some new tires will do, otherwise its quite useless.

Also some of my sound loco's with ESU decoder drive suberb with sound off, but restart every few meters when sound is switched on. Must be some CV value Cursing Cursing Confused Confused

Do you have a link of this other guys lay-out? Need some inspiration on the scenery.

Regards,

Rinus





Rinus,

here is a link to the Brennerbahn

http://www.bahnforum.inf.../index.php?topic=37741.0

The interruption power is more noticable with sound decoders, just go over the middle studs once and maybe the track itself (very unlikely) and you should see some instant improvements.

Another problem I've found with Roco locos is their pickup contact from the wheels sometimes they are either not resting against the wheel or they have gathered dust & dirt and this is preventing the locos to get proper contact at all times.

I hope you enjoy the pictures and progress (68 pages)

regards.,

John

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Offline Rinus  
#213 Posted : 18 June 2012 07:02:45(UTC)
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Hi John,

That might explain the interuptions but not the restart.

Why do the ESU Loksounds restart with every interuption? With restart I mean: speed 0, starting up the engine sounds, acceleration etc..

The Uhlenbrock versions go on at the previous speed.

Must be a CV value I think.Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#214 Posted : 06 July 2012 07:46:56(UTC)
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Hurray!

A package with servo's, servo controlers, wire, conectors, plaster cloth, tunnel arcs, and much more will be shipped today!

I want to make some big steps in the next few weeks.

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#215 Posted : 06 July 2012 08:16:51(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Looking forward to seeing photo's of your progress.

Ian.

Offline river6109  
#216 Posted : 06 July 2012 10:51:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hi John,

That might explain the interuptions but not the restart.

Why do the ESU Loksounds restart with every interuption? With restart I mean: speed 0, starting up the engine sounds, acceleration etc..

The Uhlenbrock versions go on at the previous speed.

Must be a CV value I think.Rinus


Rinus,

Its a matter of how you program the decoder

John

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Offline Rinus  
#217 Posted : 24 July 2012 16:39:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Rinus Go to Quoted Post
Hi John,

That might explain the interuptions but not the restart.

Why do the ESU Loksounds restart with every interuption? With restart I mean: speed 0, starting up the engine sounds, acceleration etc..

The Uhlenbrock versions go on at the previous speed.

Must be a CV value I think.Rinus


Rinus,

Its a matter of how you program the decoder

John



Hi John,

Do you know which CV's are involved?

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#218 Posted : 24 July 2012 17:33:38(UTC)
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Sorry for the delay guys. I had to deal with some massive problems with my house. Huge short-cut in our electricity caused a lot of problems.

Nevertheless, I've done some work on the lay-out:
I connected the signals. This was a bit challanging since Krois had not provided me with a manual ThumbDown ThumbDown . With the help of an email and some trail and error I got them working! They are looking very good. I'll definatelly order some more.

The ones I have now have several functions: stop, slow with 60 km/h, safe, shunting.

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Furthermore, I set my sights on forming the landscape on both the helix 1 and 2. I've built a wooden frame and added metal meshwhire on top of it. I'll complete it with plaster cloth this week.

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And of course there was some driving! Smile

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More will follow this week!

Rinus
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Offline petestra  
#219 Posted : 24 July 2012 18:28:56(UTC)
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Nice photos, Rinus. The layout is coming along quite well. PeterThumpUp Smile
Offline Ian555  
#220 Posted : 24 July 2012 18:34:03(UTC)
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Hi Rien,

That's great progress your making, and nice to see you've got some timber on the layout.Smile

Ian.

Offline steventrain  
#221 Posted : 24 July 2012 18:49:17(UTC)
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Excellent work.
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Offline Rinus  
#222 Posted : 24 July 2012 20:46:08(UTC)
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Thanks a lot my friends!

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Offline Rinus  
#223 Posted : 25 July 2012 18:04:35(UTC)
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Hi all,

Today I spend some time putting plaster cloth on the framework.

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I also prepared a bucket of paper-mache, paper pieces or pulp bound with glue, to give the surface more strengh. I'll paste that on top of the platser cloth tomorrow, since the paper-mache needs some time to get ready. I choose paper-mache instead of plaster due to its weight. Its also more flexible, which is very helpfull for my lay-out consists out fo modules. Plaster would be damaged to easily I think.

I'll show the results tomorrow.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#224 Posted : 26 July 2012 21:36:52(UTC)
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Today I continued with the paper mache, prepared yesterday.

Looking tasteful, isn't it?

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I applied it in a thick layer over the plaster cloth.

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This moon surfaced landscape was the result!

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Tried the same without laying a plaster cloth foundation first. It was a lot mor difficult, since the meshwire lacked the strenght and the adhesive aspecst to be combined well with the paper mache.

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Sorry for the low quality pictures. Its rather dark here now. I'm very interested how long it takes to dry.

Rinus
Offline Chris6382chris  
#225 Posted : 27 July 2012 01:51:26(UTC)
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Rinus:

Great looking layout and I love the pictures. What are your plans for the scenery over the helix? With my layout I ended up using plaster of paris over the plaster cloth and I have been happy with it. I would be interested to hear how things are going with your paper mache, are you happy with its qualities and how does it take paint?

Chris
Offline river6109  
#226 Posted : 27 July 2012 02:03:11(UTC)
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Rinus,

sorry for the late reply, regarding locos not starting from previous selected speeds.

all my programming goes via the Lokprogrammer so any individual CV I would not know and the mathematics of it, I can't handle it with bits and numbers.

Rinus wrote:

Today I continued with the paper mache, prepared yesterday.

Looking tasteful, isn't it?

a bit more tomatosauce and don't forget pepper and salt.BigGrin

John
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Offline Ian555  
#227 Posted : 27 July 2012 05:29:58(UTC)
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Hi Rien,

Good work. ThumpUp

Ian.


Offline ac jacko  
#228 Posted : 27 July 2012 06:44:51(UTC)
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Very good progress indeed
Offline RayF  
#229 Posted : 27 July 2012 06:59:49(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great progress! This is the messy bit! BigGrin

For the CV to change so that the loco does not stop and start from speed step one, try searching the forum for "Alzheimers effect". I know it has been discussed at length before.

Edited by user 27 July 2012 11:25:46(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline petestra  
#230 Posted : 27 July 2012 10:15:44(UTC)
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Nice job, Rinus. It's a-lot lighter than my plaster works too. PeterThumpUp
Offline steventrain  
#231 Posted : 27 July 2012 15:43:16(UTC)
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Good process.ThumpUp
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Offline Rinus  
#232 Posted : 28 July 2012 13:01:36(UTC)
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Hi my friends,

Thank you all for the encouragements. Did some more work testerday and this morning.

It took some time to get the right mix for the paper mache sorted out, but I think I've got it now. In the last batch I used 3 packages of wallparer glue and some hands of cement to be mixed with 1 bucket of paper/water. It looks very tasty again! Like oatmeal. Razz
I might add a second layer to the first batch, as this was mixed in a proportion of 1 pakage of glue to 1 bucket of paper/water. This took more time to dry and also resulted in a much thiner substance.

Its also to be recomended not to aply the paper mache directly on mesh wire. I prefer to lay down a layer of plaster cloth first.

I've no experience how it will react to paint. However being paper based, I presume it will do fine.

3rd batch

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2nd batch

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1st batch

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For the scenery part I had this in mind. I want to imitate the St Jodok curve, which is a famous spot on the Brenner line.


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I also ballasted a part which will be later transformed into a tunnel exit. Allthough I did some prackicing first, I'm not very experienced in this yet, and i found it very nerve racking!OhMyGod

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Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#233 Posted : 28 July 2012 13:03:18(UTC)
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Ray, John,

Thanks for your reply's about the ESU decoders. I'll search for alzheimer effect!

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#234 Posted : 28 July 2012 13:09:40(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

This will transform your layout into how you want it to look. ThumpUp

Ian.


Offline Rinus  
#235 Posted : 31 July 2012 20:45:17(UTC)
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Hi all,

Making some progress with the ballasting. Planning to do 30 cm every evening.

It took some time to get going.

Im now using a mix of Woodlands:
medium grey (3x)
medium brown (1X)
fine brown (1x)
fine gray (1x)

As a wetting agent I use a mix of pure alcohol (Drool ) + some soap aplied with a plant sprayer. I prefer alcohol above water to prevent rust

Instead of wood glue I use primer, use as a pre-treatment before painting a wall in your house. Again this contains no water. Its also told to remain flexible. I aplie this to the ballast pipette.

afterwards I'm planning to airbrush the rails with rust color.

Some pictures of the first results.

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Offline steventrain  
#236 Posted : 31 July 2012 20:51:16(UTC)
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Look great, Rinus.ThumpUp

Just be carefully ballast on turnouts.
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Offline petestra  
#237 Posted : 31 July 2012 23:42:24(UTC)
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Rinus, Track looks super!PeterThumpUp
Offline river6109  
#238 Posted : 01 August 2012 00:55:15(UTC)
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Rinus,

I can see there is exitement in the air.

When I think back when I've constructed my layout, I don't know how I did it.

John
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Offline Ian555  
#239 Posted : 01 August 2012 06:44:22(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Good work. ThumpUp

Do you have the feeling you're being watched. Wink Smile

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#240 Posted : 01 August 2012 07:25:40(UTC)
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Thanks all!

Haha! Spot on Ian/John! To be honnest there is some sweat on my forehead when ballasting. Its very very difficult for me to do this detailed work. Especially when looking at the great work others have done in this area. Razz Razz

I've got only about 24 meters of ballasting ahead, so I reckon I'll be more experienced in this area at the end than I am now LOL I'll skip the switches for the time being. I'll do them later on, when I've got more confidence.

Nevertheless, I'm pleased with the results sofar. I had expected worse.

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Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#241 Posted : 16 August 2012 19:50:12(UTC)
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Still ballasting my friends!

Planning to buy a airbrush pistol this weekend. Need to weather the rail and cable channels before I can proceed.

So I might as well post a detailed step by step!

The tools!

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After spreading out the ballast with the brushes, take some time to get the sleepers and inner rail free of ballast.

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Apply the wetting agent it with alcohol and a drop of soap. It's got to get very wet.

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After using the wetting agent, the color gets a lot darker . There for set a marker to mark the line between the section which is dry and the section which is in process. Its hard to see the difference otherwise.


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Glue! Mix it with alcohol and aply in smal drops. First the inner rail and then the outer sections.

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The result after 24h of drying.

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Regards,

Rinus

Edited by user 16 August 2012 19:58:31(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline hennabm  
#242 Posted : 16 August 2012 19:58:25(UTC)
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Hi Rinus

very good ballastingThumpUp

In the last picture it looks just like good old M trackWink

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Offline Rinus  
#243 Posted : 16 August 2012 20:00:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hennabm Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus

In the last picture it looks just like good old M trackWink

Mike


Thanks mike, thats makes it very worthwhile...LOL LOL LOL

Offline petestra  
#244 Posted : 16 August 2012 20:27:26(UTC)
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It looks very Profi, Rinus. Of course, ballast has dark as well as lighter colored rocks in it.
PeterThumpUp Smile

Edited by user 16 August 2012 22:21:28(UTC)  | Reason: spelling

Offline Marty  
#245 Posted : 16 August 2012 21:42:43(UTC)
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Looks great, Rinus! And it will look even better after you weather it with the airbush. By the way, what are your plans for catenary (or did I miss that elsewhere in this thread Blushing)?
Marty
Offline PierreGILLARD  
#246 Posted : 16 August 2012 22:09:01(UTC)
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Nice job, Rinus. ThumpUp

Pierre.
Offline Caralain  
#247 Posted : 17 August 2012 02:54:35(UTC)
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Hi Rinus:

Nice job on the ballasting. By experience I know it takes a pretty long time to finish this task, but you will be rewarded by how fine your tracks will look at the end of this process.

I am just curious: do you have any problem with the studs of the third rail? When applying the glue, ( I personally use an eye dropper), there is always a small layer of glue that drys on top of the studs, despite all the precautions I can take. This thin film doesn't allow a perfect contact for the loco slider, and I have to clean the studs with alcohol or I use an hobby knife and scratch gently each stud. What is your experience with the studs and the ballasting process?

Keep the good work.


Cheers

Pierre
Offline river6109  
#248 Posted : 17 August 2012 04:20:10(UTC)
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Rinus,

excellent job,

a hint or two: for faster results.

I use a toothbrush to get rid of exess ballasting and use purely a spraygun to do the ballasting, 50% woodglue, 50% water, 2 or 3 drops of detergent (per liter).
the end results are without cork underlay: the track after many years gets a bit rusty and the middle contact tongues are slightly oxidiced (shouldn't happen with the stainless steel connectors).
with cork underlay: the excess glue is absorbed by the cork and the track connecter, tongues are as new.

regards.,

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Offline French_Fabrice  
#249 Posted : 17 August 2012 06:52:59(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Really very nice job ThumpUp.

I'll try to get inspiration from your tips, 'cause it's time for me to start ballasting...

Congratulations,
Cheers
Fabrice
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#250 Posted : 17 August 2012 07:39:23(UTC)
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Excellent Job.ThumpUp
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#251 Posted : 17 August 2012 18:07:21(UTC)
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Thanks all for all the encouragements!


Originally Posted by: Caralain Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus:

Nice job on the ballasting. By experience I know it takes a pretty long time to finish this task, but you will be rewarded by how fine your tracks will look at the end of this process.

I am just curious: do you have any problem with the studs of the third rail? When applying the glue, ( I personally use an eye dropper), there is always a small layer of glue that drys on top of the studs, despite all the precautions I can take. This thin film doesn't allow a perfect contact for the loco slider, and I have to clean the studs with alcohol or I use an hobby knife and scratch gently each stud. What is your experience with the studs and the ballasting process?

Keep the good work.


Cheers

Pierre


Hi Pierre,

I see what you mean. I prefer cleaning the studs with alcohol or a cleaner with the help of a towel. Using harder materials usually scraps the coating away and makes the metal visible.

Rinus

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Offline Rinus  
#252 Posted : 17 August 2012 18:11:19(UTC)
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It looks very Profi, Rinus. Of course, ballast has dark as well as lighter colored rocks in it.
PeterThumpUp Smile


Determing the right color is very difficult. New ballast is pure grey (at least here in the NL). After a year or so it slowly gets brown when catenary is involved. It turns dark brown after heavy rain and lightens up in summer.

Difficult to get it right. Allthough I'd stay away from sand color and river bedding mixtures.

Rinus
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#253 Posted : 17 August 2012 18:14:03(UTC)
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Looks great, Rinus! And it will look even better after you weather it with the airbush. By the way, what are your plans for catenary (or did I miss that elsewhere in this thread Blushing)?


Hi Marty,

Not sure if I've mentioned it, but I want to use catenary from Sommerfeld.

They are made of all metall and come in different types, among which an öbb series.

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#254 Posted : 17 August 2012 18:16:24(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Really very nice job ThumpUp.

I'll try to get inspiration from your tips, 'cause it's time for me to start ballasting...

Congratulations,
Cheers
Fabrice


You will feel a different person afterwards... LOL LOL LOL

There is a lot of information in the forum about ballasting.

rinus

Offline Rinus  
#255 Posted : 17 August 2012 18:25:00(UTC)
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Rinus,

excellent job,

a hint or two: for faster results.

I use a toothbrush to get rid of exess ballasting and use purely a spraygun to do the ballasting, 50% woodglue, 50% water, 2 or 3 drops of detergent (per liter).
the end results are without cork underlay: the track after many years gets a bit rusty and the middle contact tongues are slightly oxidiced (shouldn't happen with the stainless steel connectors).
with cork underlay: the excess glue is absorbed by the cork and the track connecter, tongues are as new.

regards.,

John


A spraygun? Never tried, but it seems wothwhile to give it a try.

Instead of a toothbrush I use four brushes:
1. one large and stiff one to spread the ballast
2. one small and stiff to profile the ballast bed profile
3. one medium soft one to clear the sleapers
4. small soft one to free the inner rail

To prevent rust, I avoid water and replace it with pure alcohol. same for the glue. instead of water based woodglue I use a primer, which you usually put on walls before plastering them (sooy I dont knwo the exact english word for it, but in dutch its called 'voorstrijk'Blushing ).

Rinus
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#256 Posted : 17 August 2012 22:15:08(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marty Go to Quoted Post
Looks great, Rinus! And it will look even better after you weather it with the airbush. By the way, what are your plans for catenary (or did I miss that elsewhere in this thread Blushing)?


Hi Marty,

Not sure if I've mentioned it, but I want to use catenary from Sommerfeld.

They are made of all metall and come in different types, among which an öbb series.

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OK, that explains why I didn't see the catenary mast bases of the Märklin/Viessman masts in your pictures. Sommerfelt masts just requires a hole in the baseboard. No need to install these masts before ballasting. Thanks!

Marty
Offline Rinus  
#257 Posted : 17 August 2012 23:43:45(UTC)
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Yup.

I've got plenty of Viessman catenary of DB design left from my previous lay out. Putting it on sale as soon as I made an inventory. Its quite a lot. Same goes for my Viessman DB signals.

Rinus
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#258 Posted : 18 August 2012 07:13:04(UTC)
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Hi Rinus and all
"voorstrijk" = primer coat(ing)
Excellent job on the ballasting...congratulations!
Cheers
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Offline Rinus  
#259 Posted : 18 August 2012 15:40:23(UTC)
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Thank you Jacques!

I've been looking for that word over and over again. The bucket had only a dutch an french description!

Rinus
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#260 Posted : 04 September 2012 20:12:58(UTC)
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Hi my friends,

Ballasting is allmost done. Only some sections in the station and a few switches remain to be done. The primer proves to be quite hard to remove from the puko's Cursing Cursing . Since its flexible, its almost imposible to remove with a tool. Anyone got some tips? I'ver allready tried methylated spirit with mixed results.


I've ordered some laser cut platform sides from krois and have to wait for them to arrive. Then I can continue with the ballasting station.

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I've also ordered the rest of the signals.

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#261 Posted : 05 September 2012 10:32:34(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Thanks for the update. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Tower  
#262 Posted : 05 September 2012 18:44:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus and all
"voorstrijk" = primer coat(ing)
Excellent job on the ballasting...congratulations!
Cheers


At the southern tip of Africa we call it "Plasterkey", my brother actually suggested it it the other day as a cheaper alternative to the wood glue/water mix !

Thank you for the tip!ThumpUp

Offline Rinus  
#263 Posted : 06 September 2012 08:53:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tower Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: jvuye Go to Quoted Post
Hi Rinus and all
"voorstrijk" = primer coat(ing)
Excellent job on the ballasting...congratulations!
Cheers


At the southern tip of Africa we call it "Plasterkey", my brother actually suggested it it the other day as a cheaper alternative to the wood glue/water mix !

Thank you for the tip!ThumpUp



Yes its cheaper and it remains flexible. So it reduces noise levels a bit. Also it does not contain water, so your track won't rust due to ballasting.

On the downside: it takes some time to dry. At leasty 24 hours. A second portion of primer coat may be needed with some primer coats.

I ended up to use primer coat used prior to plastering the walls mixed with primer coat used prior to painting a wall. As it costs allmost noting I'd say give it a try.

Rinus
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#264 Posted : 16 September 2012 20:04:52(UTC)
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My friends the ballasting is done! I've become a different person in the procesBigGrin .

to be honest I still have to do the switches and some sections in the station. but thats no big deal. I plan to do the airbrusching of the tracks next weekend. I've been practicing on the cable gutters and the platform sides.

I also received a shipment of signals! Love from Krois. This included the platform sides (lasercut) as well.

Still struggling to get the puko's cleaned. I've decided to use the rail gum. downside is it will remove the dark color of the puko's and make them shiney any tips here?Confused

Enough words, some pictures!

# 1 Station. One side is kept free, I'll instal the platform first and ballast the remains later.

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# 2 Notice the concrete cable gutters! They are from Auhagen

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# 3 Signals. Intermediate sections is still drying. Its a footpath, made of fine buff and light gray from Woodman.


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# 4 Platform sides. These are from the Krois Lasercut series. Extremely cheap and good looking. I airbrushed them with concrete color.

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# 5 Signals. I bought the rest of the ÖBB signals too. I'll install tmen after airbrushing the tracks. They are from Krois, handmade and all metal. equiped with LED's. Expensive? Nope, just around 20-30 euro each.

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Enjoy reading, and don't forget to post a tip on how to clean the puko's after ballasting if you have a good one! ThumpUp ThumpUp

Regards,

Rinus

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Offline French_Fabrice  
#265 Posted : 16 September 2012 21:54:28(UTC)
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Perfect ballasting, Rinus ThumpUp ThumpUp ThumpUp

Keep posting.

Cheers
Fabrice
Offline petestra  
#266 Posted : 16 September 2012 23:13:42(UTC)
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Very profi OBB signals, Rinus. Signals add so much to a layout, I think. Cheers,Peter ThumpUp Smile
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#267 Posted : 17 September 2012 03:06:06(UTC)
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Rinus,

Top stuff, nice smooth curving.
I have to inquire about sleek Peko turnouts and I think you can buy the middle studs for them, have to findout where and how.

this is one thing I miss on my layout, at the time of the construction most of the material wasn't available what you find today on the market.

regards.,

John
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Offline Ian555  
#268 Posted : 17 September 2012 06:29:14(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Very nice work. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#269 Posted : 17 September 2012 07:03:00(UTC)
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Thank you my friends!


@ Fabrice
Thank you! I'm very satisfied with it. Its better looking than Noch Merkur etc... allthough ist nowhere near as perfect as some other examples I've seen on the internet. Perhaps I should have mixed a bit more fine ballast. I added a bit to much ballast in the beginning. In the 1:1 prototype thats not a problem. In 1:87 however its not a good combination with puko's Cursing Cursing I will post more often. I was a bit busy last month Blushing !

@ John
I see your point. MRR has made quantum leaps the last decade. When my dad and I started M track was still dominant and years later Delta was a very cool thing LOL . With the knowledge of today we had better started with DC. Peco and Tillig offer great material.

Peco turnouts can be modified with studs. A German guy Erbert sells them. http://www.erbert-signale.de/Eingang/unten/zub/page5.html. Those peko turnouts are fantastic to look at. And not expenisive too compared to Märklin. I'm not sure though if they can handle the Marlin wheels. Another option might be Weichen Walter. He custom builts K&C track turnouts http://www.weichen-walter.de/

@ Peter
Sehr über profi indeed LOL They are great to order. You can customize them by adding different functions (abfahrsignal, warning signal, 40 km/h or 60 km/h indication etc etc). It brought me hours of configuration fun!

@ Ian
Thank you!

Regards,

Rinus
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#270 Posted : 28 September 2012 18:46:02(UTC)
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Hi all,

Last week I've been airbrushing the rail. I applied a rust color. due to some internet problems I couldn't post them earlier.

First I covered the 3rd rail and ballast with tape

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Apply spray

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Result
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After the painting was done, I started with installing the platform walls. These are from lasercut carton. I airbrusghed them in concrete color.

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Rinus
Offline Loadmaster  
#271 Posted : 28 September 2012 18:55:01(UTC)
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Did you spray both sides of the rails or only the viewing side?

Rob
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Offline Rinus  
#272 Posted : 28 September 2012 19:26:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Go to Quoted Post
Did you spray both sides of the rails or only the viewing side?

Rob


Hi rob,

I spray both sides. Thats four sides per track. Quite a work actually.

Rinus
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#273 Posted : 29 September 2012 00:56:54(UTC)
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Rinus,

again top workmanship, its going to be a realistic looking layout.

John
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Offline Rinus  
#274 Posted : 29 September 2012 06:40:50(UTC)
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Thanks John!

some pictures of the example: Bahnhof Steinach am Brenner.

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The platform walls are very similar, arn't they? These lasercut wall are fantastic.

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#275 Posted : 30 September 2012 19:38:15(UTC)
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Today's progress...

I've been working on the tunnel. I used the entrance from my old lay-out. Combined with some styropor tunnel walls from Noch.

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I installed also some signal/switch boxes. I airbrushed them dark yellow. Nice accent amidst all the brown surroundings.

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Next week I plan to build a moutain around it.

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Offline petestra  
#276 Posted : 30 September 2012 19:59:16(UTC)
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Nice work, Rinus. I really like the tunnel liners a-lot. I made my own but I must say that these
are so great looking. Are they by Noch? Cheers,PeterThumpUp Smile
Offline river6109  
#277 Posted : 30 September 2012 22:49:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Nice work, Rinus. I really like the tunnel liners a-lot. I made my own but I must say that these
are so great looking. Are they by Noch? Cheers,PeterThumpUp Smile



Peter,

I've looked at the prices and they're not cheap but the look great and reail.

Rinus,

Signal boxes ? who sells them ?

regards.,

John



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Offline Rinus  
#278 Posted : 01 October 2012 05:53:11(UTC)
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Hi Guys,

The control boxes are from Auhagen.

http://www.auhagen-shop.de/prod...ucts--control-boxes.html

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They come in a set with cable ducks. They cost around 8 Euro.


The Noch tunnel liners are a different story. I bought a set of them a few years ago when working on my previous lay-out. Then bought another set and realised I needed a 3rd set. Relatively expensive. They look great though and since I got one tunnel which is to be seen from each corner of the lay out I thought lets make the best of iot. They are ridiculously expensive (~17 Euro). I'd go for the ones Fabrice used at his lay-out.


Regards,

Rinus
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#279 Posted : 01 October 2012 07:00:53(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Very nice work on your layout. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#280 Posted : 01 October 2012 16:48:50(UTC)
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Thank youi Ian. Can't wait to get the trains running again!Cool
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#281 Posted : 01 October 2012 19:48:05(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Go to Quoted Post
Did you spray both sides of the rails or only the viewing side?

Rob


Hi rob,

I spray both sides. Thats four sides per track. Quite a work actually.

Rinus


I'm thinking about painting the track sides of my Z scale layout.
I'm looking for a very fine brush so I don't over spray anything.
I don't have an airbrush sprayer, YET ! ! !

Rob
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Offline Rinus  
#282 Posted : 02 October 2012 07:30:59(UTC)
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Hi Rob,

I think airbrush is a preferd option above painting. Airbrush applies a much thinner layer of paint. with a pensil you will lose most of the details. I'd also advise you to use a water based paint. Its easier to remove afterwards.

I've bought a Badger 150 with a fine needle and nozzle. A line of 5 mm can easily be achieved. Nevertheless its important to protect the surrounding ballast with tape. Its quite difficult to make a straight line and mistakes are easily made.

Rinus

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#283 Posted : 07 October 2012 08:35:01(UTC)
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Hello my friends,

Yesterday I had a liitle help while constructing the mountain around the tunnel exit. As a result we were able to complete it in a day!

We started building a woorden frame, after that we attached the meshwire and plaster cloth. The moutain was finished with a thick layer of paper-mache. This will need to dry out for some weeks.

Some pictures of the results!

Frontview seen from the station. The way leads to the future village.

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Here I plan to construct a small water dam, with a lake behind it.

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Out of the tunnel exit, a bridge is planned, to span the rivver.

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Interior of the mountain.

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We also have a new visitor. The Lux tird rail cleaner! I bought this to deal with the glue on the puk's after ballasting. A more detailed review will follow. No chance to test it propperly yet. Looking good, istn't it this Lux cleaning train: vacuum cleaner, grinding and third rail cleaner. Maybe I'll buy a polishing wagong to complete it. BigGrin

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Hope you enjoy.

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Offline river6109  
#284 Posted : 07 October 2012 08:49:27(UTC)
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Rinus,

I'm very impressed.
The things you've done sofar seem all like working out great.

Thanks for the reply regarding the control boxes, have to have them, have to get some.

John
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Offline steventrain  
#285 Posted : 07 October 2012 09:18:04(UTC)
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Excellent process, Rinus.ThumpUp
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Offline Ian555  
#286 Posted : 07 October 2012 10:39:26(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

That's great work on the layout.ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Loadmaster  
#287 Posted : 07 October 2012 15:49:59(UTC)
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Rinus,

Where did you get the LUX cleaning train?
I've never heard about the company LUX before.
Where is it manufactured? Questions, questions, questions I don't want to interupt your construction time.
I guess I need to do some internet search.

Rob
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Offline French_Fabrice  
#288 Posted : 07 October 2012 17:28:22(UTC)
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Very nice Rinus ! ThumpUp

I plan to start very soon plaster work...hmmm, I'm a bit afraid.

Also interested on a feeback about the LUX cleaners...

Keep posting

Cheers
Fabrice
Offline French_Fabrice  
#289 Posted : 07 October 2012 17:30:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

Where did you get the LUX cleaning train?
I've never heard about the company LUX before.
Where is it manufactured? Questions, questions, questions I don't want to interupt your construction time.
I guess I need to do some internet search.

Rob


Hi Rob,

Here is the url about LUX cleaners : http://www.lux-modellbau.de/html_uk/gleis_vh.htm

Cheers
Fabrice
Offline Rinus  
#290 Posted : 07 October 2012 19:31:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

I'm very impressed.
The things you've done sofar seem all like working out great.

Thanks for the reply regarding the control boxes, have to have them, have to get some.

John


Hi John,

Thanks! Things are working out fine at the moment. Im very cautious though. Most things I practise on a smaller scale first before I implement it on the layout. I'm a bit frightened to start the big "RocRail-automated control phase|" though.Mellow Mellow. I want to re-use my Uhlenbrock Lissy IR transmitters/receivers here. If that does not works out Im a long way from home!Crying .

The control boxes are very cool indeed. Auhagen has lost of this small stuff! I got some Lasercut milestones from Krois as well. very cheap but great to look at!

Regards,

Rinus

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Offline Rinus  
#291 Posted : 07 October 2012 19:33:38(UTC)
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Ian & Steven: thanks for the encouragements!

The mountain needs to dry for about three weeks now. I hope it comes out nicely.

In the mean time I can start saving money for the catenary!

Rinus

Offline Rinus  
#292 Posted : 07 October 2012 19:46:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

Where did you get the LUX cleaning train?
I've never heard about the company LUX before.
Where is it manufactured? Questions, questions, questions I don't want to interupt your construction time.
I guess I need to do some internet search.

Rob


Hi Rob,

About the Lux train at Lokshop.de Lux items

I got the:
- Grinding + vacuumcleaner set (LUX-Modellbau 9630 H0-Doppelpack AC~ Wechselstrom Märklin)
- Third rail cleaner (LUX-Modellbau 9136 MRL1 Mittelleiterreinigungswagen mit Faulhaber-Motor,Akkustation und Steuerelektronik SSF-09 Automatische Start- / Stopp- Funktion, Analog und digital einsetzbar)


Lux is a small german firm specialized in cleaning devices and switch control. High quality and a bit expensive..

I got some brochures in PDF from them. If you're interested send me an email, so I can forward them.

Rinus

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Offline Rinus  
#293 Posted : 07 October 2012 19:57:12(UTC)
Rinus


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Originally Posted by: French_Fabrice Go to Quoted Post
Very nice Rinus ! ThumpUp

I plan to start very soon plaster work...hmmm, I'm a bit afraid.

Also interested on a feeback about the LUX cleaners...

Keep posting

Cheers
Fabrice


Hi Fabrice. You shouldn't be afraid. You've done so many difficult stuff yet (RocRail, catenary..). Do some practicinf first on a smaller scale first to find out the peculiarities of the material and it will go easily.

What materials will you be using? Plaster, styropor, foam, wood or paper mache?

I like paper mache a lot. Its cheap (old newspapers + wallpaper glue + water + a hand of concrete) and dries slowely so you're able to repair mistakes. Also its very light when dried and it remains flexible. Only disadvantage it the long dry period of several weeks.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#294 Posted : 02 December 2012 13:04:26(UTC)
Rinus


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Hi all,

Long time since my last post. Problems with Windos 8 and a new computer kept me from posting pictures.

However I took my old PC and used the operetunity to conect it with my lay-out! Cool

Much hase been done:
- completed weathering the track
- filled the main platform with plaster
- installed some more signals
- installed the Lissy sensors
- started works on the small river dam
- completed balasting
- started working with Rocrail (seperate post will follow)

Unfortunately this did not went without problems. A small signal was destroyed by my clumsyness during vacuum cleaning the lay-out. Also the plaster works left their traces on the platform walls. I had to airbrush them again. Mad

Some pictures:

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Regards,

Rinus

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Offline steventrain  
#295 Posted : 02 December 2012 13:35:21(UTC)
steventrain

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Looking good, Keep posted.
Largest marklinist Layout with Centrail station 2/Mobile station 2/60174 boosters/C-Tracks/K-Tracks/Favorites class BR01, BR23, BR50/Insider Club membership since 2004.
Offline Dimitris Katsikas  
#296 Posted : 02 December 2012 13:56:33(UTC)
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Location: Piraeus Greece
Nice work my friend!I enjoy your postings.

greetings,

Dimitris.
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Offline Rinus  
#297 Posted : 02 December 2012 18:09:43(UTC)
Rinus


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Posts: 1,455
Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands
Thank you my friends!

As promissed, I post some pictures of my Rocrail trackplan!

There are 3 levels:
- Top (3rd) level Steinach am Brenner
- 2nd level hidden yard Innsbrück
- 1st level hidden yard Brenner

Im still working on it, so the 3 levels are in different stages of completeness. Trains are running by hand and I also managed to get some switches and sensors going. There are quite some switches, signals and sensors to install, before I can proceed to installing the Bloks (Thanks gaian fabrice for your eccelent help here!! ThumpUp ThumpUp ). Trying to do some every evening.Razz

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Regards,

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#298 Posted : 03 December 2012 18:03:38(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great progress on the layout. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline French_Fabrice  
#299 Posted : 03 December 2012 18:31:09(UTC)
French_Fabrice

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Location: Lyon, France
HI Rinus,

Very nice work on your gigantic layout !

I'm pleased you are more efficient with the software. Don't hesitate to ask for help, if needed.

Keep posting.

Cheers
fabrice
Offline Rinus  
#300 Posted : 04 December 2012 09:19:20(UTC)
Rinus


Joined: 20/02/2005(UTC)
Posts: 1,455
Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands
Thanks guys for the encouragements!

Spent most time yesterday evening on tracing a burned switch motor. I find these things to melt quite easily. It took some time to trace the bugger, since I installed all upside down. I whish Marklin would improve these things: they are quite expensive and their quality is only medicore in my opinion.

Apart from that I had the Lux cleaning train running for a couple of hours. Great fun to get the trains rolling again after ballasting. The 3rd rail cleaner is realy doing a great job! Nevertheless, some trains still stall due to bad contact at crawling speeds, especialy in the ballasted areas. More cleaning to do ...

I ordered the sommerfeldt catenary this weekend. Until it arrives I'll concentrate on Rocrail and cleaning.

Rinus
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