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Online H0  
#1 Posted : 02 October 2011 19:30:25(UTC)
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Hi all!

The new Dump Car Set 46350 includes four freight cars of the new mould "Ommi", one acid transport car, and one boxcar Gms.

Here the acid transport car and one Ommi:
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Another Ommi and the boxcar:
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Märklin made the dump car Ommi before - here old and new side by side:
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The old Ommi was really tipping, but the new one has more and finer details.

Here once again old and new side by side (the old car could collide with platforms etc., but this shouldn't be a problem with the new mould):
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The old one again (it has short couplers, but no guide mechanism):
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The new one has guide mechanism:
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Close-up of the old Ommi:
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And the new Ommi:
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Another close-up of the old one:
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And the new one:
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The new one comes in two versions: with and without brakeman's platform (the set includes two of each type):
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The acid transport car:
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Three similar acid cars came in the set 46390 - if you want to make this train a little bit longer ...

The boxcar Gms (formerly known as "Oppeln":
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The acid transport car and the boxcar run without problems.

The Ommi cars do not run freely, to me it seems the replication of the prototype brakes touches the flanges of the wheels.
We tried two sets at the dealer's and several other users reported this problem on Stummi's forum.

Update October 3, 2011:
Now I think the wheels touch the frame (see red ellipse) and not the brakes:
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Here the frame without wheelset:
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One user on Stummi's Forum reported that oiling that area does improve driving quite a bit. But I'm not happy with the idea of lubricating the insides of the wheels - the oil will move to the flanges, the flanges touch the frogs on turnouts leaving the oil there, other wheels will pick it up ...
I haven't yet tried to file the frame at that place.


To be continued ...
... when set 46351 comes or when I hear news about the running problem.

Edited by user 03 October 2011 19:12:56(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Regards
Tom
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Offline GSRR  
#2 Posted : 02 October 2011 19:45:37(UTC)
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The two sets are on my buy list. Interesting about the brakes on the Ommi.


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#3 Posted : 02 October 2011 23:08:10(UTC)
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Nice review, Tom.........I am eagerly waiting for mine to arrive!!!!!!!!!BigGrin

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#4 Posted : 03 October 2011 06:55:04(UTC)
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Great review Tom!

These new Ommi types look very good. I hope the running problem can have an easy solution.

This set was on my list for this year, but it became a casualty of spending cuts in my hobby budget. I hope I dont get riots from my Preisers! BigGrin
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#5 Posted : 03 October 2011 14:19:44(UTC)
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Good photos, tom.ThumpUp

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#6 Posted : 03 October 2011 19:14:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GSRR Go to Quoted Post
Interesting about the brakes on the Ommi.
It seems the brakes are not to blame.
I added two new pictures and new information to the first post.
Regards
Tom
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#7 Posted : 03 October 2011 21:47:49(UTC)
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Hi all,
Tom,sorry for the question,....which are the old and which are the newConfused

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#8 Posted : 04 October 2011 07:41:19(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Tom,sorry for the question,....which are the old and which are the newConfused
Not quite sure what this question is about.

The text above the pictures indicates what you see on the picture (you can tell the old Ommi from the oversized metal handles).

The old Ommi is sold as #4635, but was also included in starter sets.
The new Ommi comes in the set #46350. This review is primarily about this new set, but I also took some pictures of the old one (mine is from a starter set).
The other cars are new (I don't have older moulds to compare them with).
Regards
Tom
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#9 Posted : 03 November 2011 02:19:36(UTC)
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for sharing, nice photography ThumpUp
However your news slightly takes the edge off my anticipation of the arrival of my sets. I've just learned my 46350 set will be available for collection tomorrow from my local P O
I'll have a close look at mine too and let you know what I find, same as yours I'm picking Cursing ThumbDown
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#10 Posted : 03 November 2011 06:52:40(UTC)
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46350 will be here from mailing today.
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#11 Posted : 04 November 2011 13:00:08(UTC)
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Picked my set up from the PO today. A quick random check of two of the Kippwagens reveals the same problem with mine as Tom describes.Cursing So what do we do from here, let M know, send them back to the dealer Confused what Confused
Any suggestions
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Online H0  
#12 Posted : 04 November 2011 14:10:52(UTC)
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Märklin TV episode 36 gives you the answer: some of the cars don't roll easily, but Märklin locos are strong enough to pull 'em.
So I presume they won't do anything when you send them back.

At least they admit that they made a mistake when creating the moulds. I hope they fixed it for the second set.
Regards
Tom
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#13 Posted : 14 November 2011 11:42:56(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Märklin TV episode 36 gives you the answer: some of the cars don't roll easily, but Märklin locos are strong enough to pull 'em.
So I presume they won't do anything when you send them back.

At least they admit that they made a mistake when creating the moulds. I hope they fixed it for the second set.


Tom, All,
Agreed, it would be a nuisance to send them, back from NZ anyhow Sad , bit of a smug attitude to say there's a problem with our latest rolling stock construction, with foulling wheels, but because of the power of our Locos it's not a problem ThumbDown
Are you going to modify yours, with a file or the Dremel, Tom ?
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Online H0  
#14 Posted : 14 November 2011 12:22:14(UTC)
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I tried it with a knife, situation has improved. I guess I have to cut off some more material.
I thought about filing, but didn't dare to take it apart (yet). I presume it's only clipped together, but if you don't know where you have to spread it, you can easily break off something.
Dremel and melting plastic? May depend on the tool you are using, but I'd rather rely on manual operation (knife or file).
Regards
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#15 Posted : 27 November 2011 11:00:43(UTC)
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At least they admit that they made a mistake when creating the moulds. I hope they fixed it for the second set.



46351 out on delivery, Anyone got the set?
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#16 Posted : 27 November 2011 12:52:28(UTC)
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Nice pictures...
..I just have seen the 46350 on display...I didn't roll them.
At first glance I was not taken with these new "OMNI", excepted, may be, with the load of gravel . Anyhow..I booked them . I'll buy them. The prototype is nice, I like this type of wagons...
Do you know if there is a metal weight in the chassis of the "OMNI model ?
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#17 Posted : 27 November 2011 13:00:28(UTC)
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....about the issue with wheels, what do you think about a hot blade to melt down a slice of plastic....? Sneaky Confused
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#18 Posted : 28 December 2011 19:57:41(UTC)
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Lokshop email me my order 46351 in stock and will delivery after new year.
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#19 Posted : 07 May 2014 13:44:04(UTC)
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Has someone seen any good solutions for the wheel problem Confused
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#20 Posted : 07 May 2014 14:46:48(UTC)
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My cars run fine since I treated them with a key file.

I didn't have key files when I bought the cars so I first tried it with a knife.
I had to remove more plastic material and I did that later with a key file.
Regards
Tom
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#21 Posted : 07 May 2014 14:53:15(UTC)
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Anyone own the 2014 new item 46353 five pack dump set?
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#22 Posted : 08 May 2014 16:02:16(UTC)
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thanks,

Strange that no higher engineer or someone inside production react to this issues and act before the inside members get it Crying

Should be interesting to know if the five package like Steven mentioned has the same problem Confused


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#23 Posted : 09 May 2014 06:58:12(UTC)
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I had this problem with some of the "My World" wagons I bought recently. The wheel flanges rubbed against the floor of the wagon, producing friction and preventing them from rolling freely.

My cure also involved a file. I took the wheels off and filed a shallow channel in the plastic floor of the wagons, in line with the wheels. All my wagons now roll as freely as any other. ThumpUp

I find it surprising that this problem has cropped up, as these are toolings that have been around for years. Obviously something has changed and the tolerances are now incorrect.

Marklin need to revisit their quality control procedures.
Ray

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#24 Posted : 22 June 2014 15:09:49(UTC)
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The Dump car from the 46199.

The good news is the 1mm thick space between frame and wheels. Run over turnouts and curved radius found no issue.

Sorry for poor pics.

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