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Offline cookee_nz  
#1 Posted : 24 April 2011 09:33:19(UTC)
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Sorry if this has been asked before, which I'm sure it has but I can't find it and using the search function of this forum either gives me no hits, or too many - I have found previously that trying to find an old topic can often be quite difficult unless you have some good keywords to home in on.

Anyway, what I want to do draw up the trackplan of the cookeebahn. I do have a VERY old DOS program "PCRAIL" which still works, and I was able to recreate the plan on that, but now I find I can't actually print the plan due to having only a Windows Printer (cheap Brother POS). There are utilities to enable DOS Graphic printing to GUI printers but I've wasted enough time with those with no success and really need to use something properly supported in Windoze.

Of course doing a search on Google will give me plenty of sites promising a "free download" - well DUH, who the hell charges for a 'download' anyway - I don't want a 'free download', I want a free PROGRAM. I'm not wanting to design a masterpiece and I fully accept that software authors are due their payment so I tend to avoid simply ripping off a commercial program when a totally legitimate free or very inexpensive version might exist if only you know where to find it.

To save me hours of searching, is there anywhere a comparison chart of the various track design programs available and their core features? - ie what track libraries it has, 2D or 3D, and specific requirement or limitations etc. Because I know this is a topic of interest to many others, please contribute details on commercial programs as well, cost, limitations (if any) when used in 'evaluation' mode (disabled printing, saving, maximum # tracks etc)

It really would be good to see a listing of all software in one place, perhaps even with user ratings, based (loosely) on factors such as Price, ease of use, 2D or 3D, requirements or limitations, and if it's a commercial program with a free evaluation mode, what is crippled to encourage you to buy? (disabled save, no print, limit to number of tracks pieces etc).

Thanks in advance

Steve
Melbourne
Cookee
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 24 April 2011 10:28:40(UTC)
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How about Traincad? It is free.

http://www.traincad.com/
Offline Writhdar  
#3 Posted : 24 April 2011 14:30:39(UTC)
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XTrackCad is freeware for PC's (may be a MAC version also) that I use & like

http://www.xtrkcad.org/Wikka/HomePage
Offline trainbuff  
#4 Posted : 24 April 2011 15:04:12(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post
Sorry if this has been asked before, which I'm sure it has but I can't find it and using the search function of this forum either gives me no hits, or too many - I have found previously that trying to find an old topic can often be quite difficult unless you have some good keywords to home in on.

...


Hi Steve, I too have found this forum's search function cumbersome and slow so I started using google to search this forum. All you need to do is include 'marklin-users.net' in your google search. For your question I might google "track software marklin-users.net". Also saves time from having to log into the forum to do a search. As for your original question, I'm using a trial version of Anyrail that's limited to 50 pieces, but at least it allows you to play around with it and see if you want to eventually purchase it.
Good luck.
-chris
Offline Darren W  
#5 Posted : 24 April 2011 15:50:35(UTC)
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I finally broke down and bought Railmodeller for the Mac. The trial version lets you do everything but print and save. It was $49US and works great. I am still learning how to use it but so far I find it great for testing out track configurations to see if they line up and fit the space.

Darren
Offline kbvrod  
#6 Posted : 24 April 2011 18:39:14(UTC)
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Hi all,
Gentlemen,as questions:Does track planning software benefit those who use sectional track the most?Then one know what and how much to purchase?

Thanks,Dr Dirt
Offline Maxi  
#7 Posted : 07 August 2011 11:09:43(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kbvrod Go to Quoted Post
Hi all,
Gentlemen,as questions:Does track planning software benefit those who use sectional track the most?Then one know what and how much to purchase?

Thanks,Dr Dirt


Yes some programs allow for designing in sections and then generating a list of materials required for the build. Some programs also allow for entering of current inventory which will then indicate what is still required to be purchased.

Wintrack is one program that I know of which allows for this feature, I am sure that there are others also.
Offline Osku  
#8 Posted : 10 August 2011 20:36:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Writhdar Go to Quoted Post
XTrackCad is freeware for PC's (may be a MAC version also) that I use & like

http://www.xtrkcad.org/Wikka/HomePage


I second XTrackCAD as I have run it successfully on Linux to design and verify some track plans. After reading the tutorial it is a snap to use. It includes a library of Marklin parts and generates shopping lists etc. Although there is no 3D it can do elevations and profiles.

It hasn't been updated for a while so it depends on some old libraries and may be challenging to get it running on newer Linux distributions. It looks like the development has been picked up by new people so that might change.
Offline Ian555  
#9 Posted : 11 August 2011 03:48:20(UTC)
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Hi Osku,

Welcome to the forum. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Renato  
#10 Posted : 11 August 2011 09:24:55(UTC)
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Hi Osku,

A warm welcome to the forum from me too.

Cheers

Renato
Offline ac jacko  
#11 Posted : 13 September 2011 13:03:39(UTC)
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Gday guys,got told about this link for free layout design software and it is easy to use (even for myself) but at the moment does not have marklin M track in the database,only C and K but the overall use is quite easy. I have sent the developer an email and see if M track will be loaded in the future

http://www.scarm.info/index_en.html

regards Dale
Offline Webmaster  
#12 Posted : 13 September 2011 18:05:24(UTC)
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Dale, that looks quite interesting....ThumpUp
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Offline nevw  
#13 Posted : 14 September 2011 00:16:38(UTC)
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Thanks for the link Dale. Loks like it does a lot more than other Software.


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Offline Renato  
#14 Posted : 14 September 2011 07:40:51(UTC)
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Hi Dale,

Thanks for the useful link.

Cheers

Renato
Offline ac jacko  
#15 Posted : 14 September 2011 08:28:17(UTC)
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I recieved a reply back from the author regarding M track database and require links for track dimensions so if anyone can provide this, I will send to him and he can update the marklin M databse in a week Cool
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 14 September 2011 09:36:20(UTC)
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Hi Dale, send him these.
Bigdaddynz attached the following image(s):
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Offline ac jacko  
#17 Posted : 14 September 2011 12:07:16(UTC)
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You sir, rock BDNZ ThumpUp
Offline ac jacko  
#18 Posted : 14 September 2011 12:09:01(UTC)
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Offline steventrain  
#19 Posted : 14 September 2011 19:29:21(UTC)
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Hi Dave,

Don't forget the 3800/3900 long M-tracks.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#20 Posted : 15 September 2011 01:19:11(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dave,

Don't forget the 3800/3900 long M-tracks.

Bigdaddynz attached the following image(s):
Marklin 1953_Catalog_EN_Page_34.jpg
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Offline ac jacko  
#21 Posted : 15 September 2011 09:33:13(UTC)
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Got a reply from the software author who has now the marklin user net and daves photos BigGrin

M track will be added in a week Cool
Offline Renato  
#22 Posted : 15 September 2011 09:58:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
Got a reply from the software author who has now the marklin user net and daves photos BigGrin

M track will be added in a week Cool

Fantastic, Super!!!

Renato
Offline ac jacko  
#23 Posted : 15 September 2011 10:13:53(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Renato Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
Got a reply from the software author who has now the marklin user net and daves photos BigGrin

M track will be added in a week Cool

Fantastic, Super!!!

Renato


Yes, a great result and the author seems a very nice guy indeed, Milen is his name and to bring on the old M track database so quick BigGrin

Edited by user 15 September 2011 10:50:21(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline steventrain  
#24 Posted : 15 September 2011 16:17:17(UTC)
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Thats good news.
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Offline dntower85  
#25 Posted : 15 September 2011 18:41:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
Gday guys,got told about this link for free layout design software and it is easy to use (even for myself) but at the moment does not have marklin M track in the database,only C and K but the overall use is quite easy. I have sent the developer an email and see if M track will be loaded in the future

http://www.scarm.info/index_en.html

regards Dale


I like this one its one of the best free ware track programs that I have tried.

ThumpUp Thanks Dale
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Offline TrainIride  
#26 Posted : 16 September 2011 21:15:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Osku Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Writhdar Go to Quoted Post
XTrackCad is freeware for PC's (may be a MAC version also) that I use & like

http://www.xtrkcad.org/Wikka/HomePage


I second XTrackCAD as I have run it successfully on Linux to design and verify some track plans. After reading the tutorial it is a snap to use. It includes a library of Marklin parts and generates shopping lists etc. Although there is no 3D it can do elevations and profiles.

It hasn't been updated for a while so it depends on some old libraries and may be challenging to get it running on newer Linux distributions. It looks like the development has been picked up by new people so that might change.


Hi, I've downloaded xtrkcad to work on my layout extension.
It's ok and seems to work fine on my Linux Mint Fluxbox distribution.
Regards
Joël
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Offline steventrain  
#27 Posted : 17 September 2011 07:49:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
Gday guys,got told about this link for free layout design software and it is easy to use (even for myself) but at the moment does not have marklin M track in the database,only C and K but the overall use is quite easy. I have sent the developer an email and see if M track will be loaded in the future

http://www.scarm.info/index_en.html

regards Dale



I have download it, It was excellent but some missing was C-track buffer stop, unloading ramp and turntable.
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Offline ac jacko  
#28 Posted : 19 September 2011 10:16:09(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: steventrain Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
Gday guys,got told about this link for free layout design software and it is easy to use (even for myself) but at the moment does not have marklin M track in the database,only C and K but the overall use is quite easy. I have sent the developer an email and see if M track will be loaded in the future

http://www.scarm.info/index_en.html

regards Dale



I have download it, It was excellent but some missing was C-track buffer stop, unloading ramp and turntable.


Stephen,please list the dimensions here and I will send an email to him

Also he sent a email with nearly all M track loaded but has a few queries below

- I need the outer diameter and bridge length of turntable 7186
- I need some diagrams with dimensions of transfer table 7294
- 5145 track set - are those two tracks always used joined together or there may be other tracks between them?


cheers Dale
Offline Renato  
#29 Posted : 19 September 2011 16:59:45(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post


- 5145 track set - are those two tracks always used joined together or there may be other tracks between them?

cheers Dale

Hi Dale,

The use of the 5145 track set is to have a track occupancy detection of the desired length; so you need a couple of 5145 (total length 180 mm) and 5115 straight tracks (length 180 mm each) and/or 5116 curved tracks of the 5100 circle (radius 360 mm).
These tracks have one rail isolated from the other one.
You can even use only the couple of 5145 tracks, but in this case you have a very short track occupancy detection.

I will give you also the other dimensions for the 7186 turntable (I have to make a measurement and at the moment I am not at home).
I do not have the transfer table 7294, so the only dimensions I can give you are those indicated on the Marklin catalog or on the track diagrams book.

Cheers

Renato
Offline Nielsenr  
#30 Posted : 19 September 2011 17:28:26(UTC)
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Here is a quick and dirty sketch of the 7294 Transfer Table ...

UserPostedImage

Hope this helps ... Let me know if you need any other dimensions ...

Robert
Offline GSRR  
#31 Posted : 19 September 2011 21:25:22(UTC)
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Turntable and Transfer Table

Edited by user 19 September 2011 21:34:48(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#32 Posted : 19 September 2011 22:59:04(UTC)
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Bridge and ramp

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#33 Posted : 19 September 2011 23:17:31(UTC)
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C Track
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Offline GSRR  
#34 Posted : 19 September 2011 23:25:42(UTC)
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Turntable K track
Rail Crossing

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Offline Renato  
#35 Posted : 20 September 2011 09:47:03(UTC)
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Hi Dale,

The outer diameter of the 7186 turntable is 360 mm and the length of the rotating bridge is about 310 mm (exactly 308 mm).

Cheers

Renato
Offline ac jacko  
#36 Posted : 20 September 2011 11:48:49(UTC)
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Thanks guys, have mentioned all your replies and the author milen will be popping in and gathering the information. The M track he has added works well so not long to go Cool
Offline ac jacko  
#37 Posted : 23 September 2011 13:57:15(UTC)
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M track is now loaded so download the update from the help menu ;)

Still have as few Transfer tables and road crossings are still not included now, because Milen will need to change some program's code, but they will appear in the near future which the library in the program will update but the turntable looks great

cheers Dale
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#38 Posted : 23 September 2011 14:47:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
M track is now loaded so download the update from the help menu ;)

Still have as few Transfer tables and road crossings are still not included now, because Milen will need to change some program's code, but they will appear in the near future which the library in the program will update but the turntable looks great

cheers Dale



Dale,

thanks for the update. Do you know if he will include the ramp and bridge pieces also for M and C track?



Thomas

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Offline ac jacko  
#39 Posted : 24 September 2011 08:10:56(UTC)
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I would assume so but I will poll him on this query but this could be the reprogram issue he was referring too
Offline robinpk  
#40 Posted : 01 October 2011 14:06:13(UTC)
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Hi Dale,
I wonder if you could try to ask him if track colouring would be possible, it comes in handy when working with several layers.
I also got a track connection error when I copied my plan into Scarm, tracks just didn´t came out on the place I wanted it to come out. Track bending? possible -/+ 3%
I´ve put a square in red where i¨m getting troubles.
UserPostedImage,UserPostedImage
Left is Scarm, right is original Wintrack
Regards,

Robin

Edited by user 01 October 2011 14:14:58(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline steventrain  
#41 Posted : 19 November 2011 10:54:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ac jacko Go to Quoted Post
Got a reply from the software author who has now the marklin user net and daves photos BigGrin

M track will be added in a week Cool


M-track is now included but didn't see 3900s.

You need update software Click 'Help' -> 'Check for update'.
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Offline Erlo  
#42 Posted : 18 December 2011 14:07:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Hi Dale, send him these.

Cool! I have been looking for this information for a while for verifying
the data in xtrkcad.
Offline suga andri  
#43 Posted : 31 December 2011 10:33:18(UTC)
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hello all,
Love the SCARM, thanks Dale for the download link.

have tried 3 software :SCARM, XtrkCAD, WinTrack (demo ver). Still like the SCARM better, but all 3 have same issue.

when i tried to build track plan from Noch Mittenwald design, all software end up with no connection is some section.
whats when wrong ? is it the elevation that must to set? coz i use "0" height on all design. when i try to fill the elevation, still got the miss joint track problem.

if anyone have the noch mittenwald design on c-track HO scale, can i have a copy of it? :)
Offline smittyau  
#44 Posted : 11 January 2012 23:29:24(UTC)
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This is a very useful topic for those new to Marklin!

Sean
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