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Offline ricky  
#1 Posted : 03 September 2011 03:10:05(UTC)
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I have heard of counterfeit 3045 but have never seen one.
Could this one http://www.ebay.de/itm/M...&hash=item53e8a57f16 be a fake?

What looks weird to me is the front lower left light (at right on the pic) that seems to be painted in silver, there should be no light there.
Also, the paint appears more glossy than on other 3045.
It does not have the red and white paper strip on the smokestack, but I have seen some that lost theirs, so I would not base my judgment on that, since it is probably the easiest part to counterfeit.

What do you think? Confused Confused

Disclaimer: I do not say it is a fake, I am just asking a question! Maybe it is a different version??

Cheers,
Ricky Smile
Offline GG1 Fan  
#2 Posted : 03 September 2011 03:37:38(UTC)
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How would one 'fake' a Marklin model train??

Paint does look 'odd'. Perhaps repainted, perhaps it's the lighting.
Offline CCS800KrokHunter3  
#3 Posted : 03 September 2011 05:08:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GG1 Fan Go to Quoted Post
How would one 'fake' a Marklin model train??

Paint does look 'odd'. Perhaps repainted, perhaps it's the lighting.


Many would be surprised to hear this, but probably about a quarter of Marklin trains I see on eBay (O and HO Gauge at least) either have replica parts or are complete reconstructions. O Gauge trains are more commonly complete reconstructions because they can be sold as originals at higher values than HO scale ones.

Paul
Offline ricky  
#4 Posted : 03 September 2011 06:02:36(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GG1 Fan Go to Quoted Post
How would one 'fake' a Marklin model train??


Some models are easier to 'fake' than others. A TP800 would be difficult to fake. A 3045 would be easier (using a 3047 as a base.)
I had a 3045 which I sold on eBay. The buyer insisted to come in person to inspect it. He told me that he wanted to make sure it was genuine, as counterfeited ones are circulating. Yes, mine was genuine, and sold!

Cheers,
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Offline steventrain  
#5 Posted : 03 September 2011 09:45:02(UTC)
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There is no red/white band around the chimmy.

I guess it is from 3945 kit.

The real 3045 have one headlight right side of loco and one white paint on dummy tail light at tender.
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Offline drstapes  
#6 Posted : 04 September 2011 23:45:00(UTC)
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The seller says it was made from a a 3945 parts kit
Regards

Geoff (UK)

marklin HO from the 50's and 60's
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#7 Posted : 05 September 2011 02:28:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: ricky Go to Quoted Post
It does not have the red and white paper strip on the smokestack, but I have seen some that lost theirs, so I would not base my judgment on that, since it is probably the easiest part to counterfeit.



That fact alone makes this model worth only about 200 euro.


The 1000+ euro models always have the original paper strip on the smokestack.
Offline river6109  
#8 Posted : 05 September 2011 05:28:13(UTC)
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Another point is, the kit didn't come with a original box as shown on ebay.
it was a brown box with parts wrapped in paper.
I bought quite a few of these kits in the 1980's e.g. 1 x 3911, 2 x 3914, 2 x 3924, 2 x 3947, 2 x 3948 and didn't know or could not relate to the 3915 (I'm still having nightmares about it).

the loco as advertised on ebay, is in my opinion not a true representation of the model itself, it is not a 3045, it is a 3945, hence no service papers with it, which the seller points out further down the page. he also mentions, there is no coloured ring on the smoke stack.

regards.,

John
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Offline dntower85  
#9 Posted : 05 September 2011 06:17:02(UTC)
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Its strange how they can think that they can charge that much for a bad reproduction, at least they as honest as they are greedy.
DT
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Offline river6109  
#10 Posted : 05 September 2011 06:18:36(UTC)
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Hi,

I've written to the seller pointing out, there is no 3045.2. Kroll's catalogues in the past have indicated a sub number as e.g. 1, 2 or 3 etc etc. to highlight changes which have been made to a particular loco.
A kit is always and always will be referred to as a 39.. number and the 3045.2 is a self made addition, which is in my opinion, a misrepresentation of the model in question and the price dose reflect or blends itself to the original model 3045.1.

Having made the effort and explaining the true number of the loco further down the page, the seller is fully aware of the correct loco number but hasn't reflected this in the main title and therefore has deliberately concealed the official catalogue number and replaced it with a fictitious number 3045.2

regards.,
John
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Offline stenscience  
#11 Posted : 12 September 2011 21:04:10(UTC)
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Looks like he stopped the auction (Ebay notice that the auction ended)but he has another one listed-a '3045.1" for about 1000 Euros.This one shows the red/white band on the stack, but the box shows a different loco.I have always wanted this loco but it has always been way out of my price range.Now, another reason for caution.
Offline steventrain  
#12 Posted : 12 September 2011 21:17:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stenscience Go to Quoted Post
Looks like he stopped the auction (Ebay notice that the auction ended)but he has another one listed-a '3045.1" for about 1000 Euros.This one shows the red/white band on the stack, but the box shows a different loco.I have always wanted this loco but it has always been way out of my price range.Now, another reason for caution.



Relist after unsold.
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Offline Frankenbahner  
#13 Posted : 16 September 2011 09:29:28(UTC)
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To be honest, I wouldn't even pay 200 Euro for a Märklin 3045. The reson is, it's a completely wrong model. The DSB Litra N was based on a DRG / DB BR 50, not on a BR 44. Märklin just didn't have the tooling for a BR 50 yet. So they used the BR 44 toolings, creating this 3045 which sold badly.

If one wants a Märklin DSB steamer, he should rather buy a 37831, which is a correct Litra N model. Sure, collectors will see it in a different way, but that's just my opinion about this loco - I wouldn't spend such an amount of money on a phantasy model, even if it is a rare item.

Regards,
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Offline RayF  
#14 Posted : 16 September 2011 09:56:45(UTC)
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I would agree with you, Florian. However, die-hard collectors have a different way of looking at models.

They look at them as collectable toys, rather than model representations of real locos. This is reflected in the way they value the physical condition of the item above it's play value or running qualities, with many not even prepared to run their prized possessions for fear of losing some value.

I guess in some ways it's a completely different hobby!
Ray
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Offline BR01097  
#15 Posted : 27 September 2011 04:39:41(UTC)
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Sellers often feign ignorance of their items on eBay, invoking the name "Märklin" to get the attention of collectors. Only after the purchase is complete, an examination shows it to be other than the genuine article. It's the old bait-and-switch routine.

This one is no exception. There used to be three headlights on this model. Evidence of the headlamp housing still remains. It's trying to be passed off as a higher-priced Danish freight locomotive, but probably started out as a common BR50.

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