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Offline klarinettmeister  
#1 Posted : 06 December 2009 15:25:38(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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My very small layout without any scenery with my 15 year old christmas tree which is attacked by an Alien. My MFX Mikado pulls the new 45649 consist. (All my 3 Big Boys are waiting in their respective boxes).

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Offline ulf999  
#2 Posted : 06 December 2009 15:48:41(UTC)
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ah, x-mas joy Smile
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Offline obxbill  
#3 Posted : 06 December 2009 16:39:46(UTC)
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looks like the space marines are on the way to save the tree! biggrin Maybe those APC's could help too. Thanks for sharing your holiday spirit with us. Smile


Bill
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Offline steventrain  
#4 Posted : 06 December 2009 17:39:11(UTC)
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Very good, Thanks for sharing the picture.
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Offline PierreGILLARD  
#5 Posted : 06 December 2009 19:23:59(UTC)
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Interesting mix of models !

Thanks for sharing.

Pierre.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#6 Posted : 06 December 2009 19:57:14(UTC)
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Thanks!

Here´s a comparison. Old vs new.

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Offline Webmaster  
#7 Posted : 06 December 2009 20:12:05(UTC)
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Interesting, I have the "original" one... I thought the editions were the same - obviously they are not...
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#8 Posted : 29 January 2010 20:43:20(UTC)
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Yesterday I was in Malmö and visited a shop that I´ve just been to one time before. I saw these and just had to have them! They only had these left from the Faller military series. I was finished with the shed and the barracks at 4 AM this morning. It took 3 hours to build them both. I have just painted figures, so if you have recommendations how to paint these buildings, you´re welcome.
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144034-barracks
144036-shed for tanks
144060-Wire barriers

This morning I ordered these buildings:
Faller 144042-Headquarters
Walthers 933-2911 Clayton County Lumber

Today I got these in my mail, bought from Ulf (Thanks Ulf!):
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Märklin 45680
Märklin 45801
Offline steventrain  
#9 Posted : 29 January 2010 23:19:25(UTC)
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Very nice wagons set.
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#10 Posted : 30 January 2010 17:19:14(UTC)
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steventrain wrote:
Very nice wagons set.


Thanks! They are very nice. Now I want 45800 too...

Today I finished with a new project. Lighting. I´ve learnt my lesson today. Never buy electronics 10 minutes before closing time and read everything on the package!

I began with my Faller 144042 military shed.

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Then I used these things for my prject:
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And the result was this:
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The wooden stick is not glued so it´s easy to remove. But I think I did it so well I don´t wanna do it again...
I saw the blue light when I tested it and decided to go on with the project. As you see I placed my APC in it from the movie Aliens. Maybe it will work on the layout.

Now I will add some lighting to my Walthers Amtrak station. This time I will choose the correct bag (I´ve bought 3 bags of Ultrawhite and 2 with Ultrablue with 5 LEDs in each).
Offline obxbill  
#11 Posted : 30 January 2010 17:59:39(UTC)
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I think the blue works with the sci-fi apc! Gives it an "area 51" effect. I would leave it that way. BigGrin

Bill
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#12 Posted : 01 February 2010 20:41:07(UTC)
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Thanks Bill!

It looks kinda cool. Today I was at Eurohobby in Helsingborg and bought some new things I couldn´t resist. Although I don´t have any space on my current layout I´ll build them.

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Faller:
110113 Station Bonn
4041 Soldiers quarters
144023 Fence

Auhagen:
99051 small house

Preiser:
14401 24 passengers for the station
16881 Soldiers DR (1939-45)for the barracks and soldier´s quarter.

As I´ve said in another thread I´ll support Faller and Märklin this year. Last year I spent alot of money on clothes and Playstation 3-games, but not this year. BigGrin
Offline klarinettmeister  
#13 Posted : 06 April 2010 02:53:44(UTC)
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Now I have a new plan!

Comments? Suggestions?

I´m not totally pleased with it but it´s the best solution I´ve found. I don´t think I can use either of the complete ICE 3-, CZ-, F7 Amtrak-trains. The longest track by the station is one track short (I think). I could propably change the turnouts for curved turnots on the left side also.
Also there´s not much space to store the trains. I want to avoid using a third level but right now it seems to be the only way. In that case I could insert a turnout on the left which goes up to the third level and round on the other side with alot of tracks with end bumpers. As you can see the lower part of the plan is the lower level and the upper is the upper level. The track that connects the lower tracks is good for turning around trains.
I´m thinking of removing the upper sidetrack. I need space for the Bonn station from Faller.

There isn´t a single 24130 curve, but I´ve used 2 of 24115 though.

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EDIT: The table can only be 3200*1400 mm. The width of the room is ca. 3240mm. I can have up to 1800 mm. in length but I need at least 400 mm. to reach my bookcase and also be able to push the table and work on the rear of the layout. I'm thinking of doing it on 2 tables (2000*1400 + 1200*1400) in case if I move to another place.

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Offline steventrain  
#14 Posted : 06 April 2010 08:53:15(UTC)
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Trackplan look very good, Any goods yard, engine shed?
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#15 Posted : 06 April 2010 10:13:32(UTC)
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steventrain wrote:
Trackplan look very good, Any goods yard, engine shed?


Thanks Steven!

None at all Huh but I'll plan for one. Now that you mention it I got another idea. If I change the 3-way turnout 24630 for a 24612 I can remove the 5th track. =not so much Spaghetti. Then I insert a curved turnout 24672 somewhere before the 3-way turnout (lower part after the crossing perhaps). That track will be on a grade and lead to storage tracks on third level which will be called the goods yard. The trains need to have a locomotive in front, preventing from rolling.
I could also plan for a 7294. In that case somewhere in left part of the layout. Just need to figure out a good way to connect it. And they are expensive... Crying And a few 24624 are also very expensive...

I do have 4 pairs of 24711 and 24712 which I can use. I bought them a few years ago when I was planning a big goods yard measuring 3 meters.

The plan is made with with a combination of the layouts in Märklin Magazin 3/2008 and 4/2009.
/David
Offline DamonKelly  
#16 Posted : 06 April 2010 13:09:49(UTC)
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klarinettmeister wrote:
Now I have a new plan!

Comments? Suggestions?


Nice track plan, David -- full two track running in not a lot of space, and should be good for variety.

One question, though:
How does a train travelling clockwise on the outer track (at the left hand side of the first diagram) get to the other track? Am I missing something?
In the second diagram, if you move the RH turnonut in the middle to the other track, and replace it with a double-slip turnout, you can achieve this.

klarinettmeister wrote:
There isn´t a single 24130 curve, but I´ve used 2 of 24115 though.


Just a note -- the curved turnouts 24671/2 are in fact R1, which is a pity, since they can save so much space...
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Cheers,
Damon
Offline RayF  
#17 Posted : 06 April 2010 13:39:13(UTC)
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Hi David, I like how you have managed to fit in quite a large station in a smallish space. I am a fan of double track running, and this plan allows four reasonably long trains to cross at the station, with a fifth in the bay siding if you leave it in. The bit at the front with the level crossing for watching trains go by is also very attractive, though I would flatten out the reverse curves slightly to avoid too much of a "snaking" effect.

I'm not sure what changes I could suggest, but I think it's a pity that all that track on the lower level is a bit wasted. It does nothing more than bring the trains back to the top, with the chance of a direction reversal, but only in one direction. I would perhaps try to rearrange the tracks to give me a couple of storage loops, at the expense of the reversing track.

As to Steven's point, I would put in at least a couple of goods sidings or a loco maintenance area. The top left corner seems a good candidate for a couple of short sidings, and you could fit in a goods or loco facility inside the "loop" on the left. I suppose it depends on how crowded it will make the layout look.

Your idea of a third level could work, but beware of making the whole thing look like a hamster cage!
Ray

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Offline klarinettmeister  
#18 Posted : 06 April 2010 18:26:30(UTC)
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Thanks Damon and Ray!

It is always good to have second opinins. When I look at it now I see your correct. It´s a real waste of track on the lower level. I just wanted to avoid having turnouts on the lower level, but it´s better having them there than using a third level.

Damon, the suggestion about replacing the 24612 turnout was good. The reason I had it like this is because I wanted to save my double-slip turnout for something else...

I don´t count the curved turnouts as "real" 24130, but of course they are R1. It´s a pity Märklin has limited tracks to work with...

Ray, I think the sneaking effect is cool. But when I think about it... how will the ICE 3 like it? It´s derailing on R2 in full speed as a 3-part train, but it´s propably better balanced as a complete 8-part train. I should test this somehow...

I didn´t recieve my 2 ordered Bluray boxes of Band of Brothers, nor Lord of the Rings today either, so tonight I can work on planning the layout with next version of it.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#19 Posted : 21 April 2010 10:05:10(UTC)
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This is the newest plan. I have some more space and haven´t fitted the 74920 crossing yet. And I´ll propably need some shunting yard somewhere. What do you think?

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Offline RayF  
#20 Posted : 21 April 2010 10:39:19(UTC)
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That's quite a drastic change in plan, David!

I like the number of storage tracks on your lower level, but I'm not sure how you plan to get the trains in and out. There is no obvious way down without reversing. I'm also a bit worried about the complicated pointwork at the entrance to the storage yard. I fear for derailments when pushing long trains into the sidings. Maybe you should consider a redesign so that trains are pulled into the yard from both directions, even if this means that some of the sidings will be shorter. You would need another track down to your lower level.
Ray

Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways
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Offline dntower85  
#21 Posted : 21 April 2010 18:19:14(UTC)
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I really like the upper level but I agree with Ray. On the lower level if you could connect the upper sideing with the lower one you could create a reversing loop. Try making a turn on the right end and instead of entering the yard from the left you might try entering from the right.
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Offline ulf999  
#22 Posted : 21 April 2010 22:01:12(UTC)
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nice pics + layout. I hope the cars have found a new great home Wink
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#23 Posted : 21 April 2010 23:09:42(UTC)
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Thanks Ray and Darrin! You´re absolutely correct. I was just thinking of having as many trains as possible. But right now I have to see what I can use instead. Rest of it has to stay in their boxes waiting for the future. I have an idea how to change the sidings in the lower level.

Thanks Ulf! The cars are waiting on my dining table for a decent railway to roll on. They are waiting to be pulled by my one of my Mikados and one of my Big Boys. They are in perfect condition. Were they brand new or have you had them rolling?

/David
Offline ulf999  
#24 Posted : 22 April 2010 21:10:09(UTC)
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klarinettmeister wrote:

...
Thanks Ulf! The cars are waiting on my dining table for a decent railway to roll on. They are waiting to be pulled by my one of my Mikados and one of my Big Boys. They are in perfect condition. Were they brand new or have you had them rolling?

/David

They had been out rolling, but I was very careful with them (and my other cars as well Smile )
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#25 Posted : 11 August 2010 14:58:12(UTC)
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Hi again!

This is my latest. It´s possible to have 2 full length trains and 2 shorter trains at the station at the same time. The sidetracks can hold 5 trains. The size of the layout can not be changed. The wall is to the right. To the left is my bed and the table must be cut following the curve as on the 1st picture to get access. The plan is to make 2 tables (1800*2=3600 mm length).

I´m not pleased with it, so suggestions would be appreciated.
Cons:
Long trains (ICE 3, CZ, Amtrak)
Bonn station will fit

Bads.
No level-crossing (74920, 74930)
No use of any my 9 slim turnouts (24711,24712)
Limited number of trains at the same time. (Only 9 trains out of my 20 trains ranging from 100-230 cm can be on the track at the same time).
Only one level, boring?

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Offline klarinettmeister  
#26 Posted : 16 August 2010 01:36:45(UTC)
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Work has begun!

I cut off the corner and I couldn´t resist building. Here are pictures.

First of all. The new real Beta-version. I think I´ll remove the double crossing in the lower level. I now have space for the crossing which you can see on the 3rd picture.

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The corner has been cut. It´s not perfect but I can´t reach my sand papers yet!

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And here is the result as of tonight:

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Tomorrow I´ll start planning the tables and will connect the turnout lantern and also install the 3-way switch. For this part I only miss 5 tracks. 2*24224, 24997, 24215 and 24294. I do not own any signals yet but I´ve prepared for them (installed wires) and also the red insulators. I don´t think I´ll control them with S88 as they are expensive and I don´t own any, so momentary contact is enough.
When I´m finished tomorrow with the cables I´ll put it aside at the wall while doing the tables as I said. I´m going to buy wheels for the tables. I´m aiming for a height of at least 1000 mm. for the table legs + the height of the wheels.

/David
Offline ac jacko  
#27 Posted : 16 August 2010 11:47:31(UTC)
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Good start david, keep it going sir ThumpUp
Offline klarinettmeister  
#28 Posted : 16 August 2010 22:17:37(UTC)
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Today I´ve been doing all the wiring for this part of the layout. All the motors in the turnouts are opened and short curcuited for more reliable use. Everything is connected but the wires for the signal.

And I´ve done everything I planned for yesterday and Ivé bought 8 wheels and I´ve begun construction on the frame.

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/David
Offline Webmaster  
#29 Posted : 16 August 2010 22:22:17(UTC)
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The metal GG1 looks great!

Why can't I kick my own butt and get going?
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Offline Ian555  
#30 Posted : 17 August 2010 16:08:41(UTC)
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Hi David,

You are making a great start to your layout. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline steventrain  
#31 Posted : 17 August 2010 17:29:35(UTC)
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Excellent process, Keep posted.Smile
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#32 Posted : 17 August 2010 23:32:34(UTC)
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Thanks Steven, Ian and Juahn for your inputs. BigGrin

Today I didn´t have that much time as I was going by real trains for half the day. I picked up something my collection has been missing since my childhood, the swedish wooden train 2870! I also bought the extra car which apparently was available as a spare so it had an own box.

As you can see on the pictures I still can´t reach the box where I store my sandpapers... Well, well. There are people who miss water and food and I miss sandpapers... I´ve gotta be happy with what I have.

Here are todays results:

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This part of the table is almost complete... or at least prepared for the turnouts which I can´t afford for a while... I´ve predrilled 4 holes and cut out for each of the 5 turnouts and also made some holes for the support for the upper level which is waiting in the background supported by some of my clarinets. The rounded part is aligned more correctly now.

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My new 2870+the extra car and also my old 3170 which is digitalized with 6080 by myself.

Tomorrow there propably won´t be any time to do very much as I´ve got to spend some time with a cute french man and show him my city. Cool
Offline Ian555  
#33 Posted : 17 August 2010 23:40:02(UTC)
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Hi David,

That is a great looking Loco, well done on your purchase. ThumpUp

Ian.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#34 Posted : 18 August 2010 00:15:10(UTC)
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Ian555 wrote:
Hi David,

That is a great looking Loco, well done on your purchase. ThumpUp

Ian.


Thanks Ian!

I have a question. As I´ve planned I´m gona use my Bonn station on the next frame. But where can I put my Amtrak station? Will it look strange putting it on the frame I´ve built now? Maybe some history. The Amtrak station was there when the town (Springfield) was built and then they built the Bonn station and kept the old one? Hmmm...
I have been having thoughts of having american buildings on this rounded table and german buildings on the bigger table... Hmmm.
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#35 Posted : 18 August 2010 00:17:06(UTC)
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Cool

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I can help you; I'm a very good butt-kicker BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

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Offline klarinettmeister  
#36 Posted : 25 August 2010 23:36:48(UTC)
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The last few days have been slow. I´ve been having much else to do like looking for work and I´ve got some concerts that I need to practice for.
Here´s the latest update. I´ve also changed my plan which is much better (not in a picture). I need to move some rails on the 2nd level to fit the new plan. Tomorrow I´ll merge the 2 levels and I´ve planned to buy more wood on friday. Then there´s the concert on sunday and also the changing of the guards next week that I need to attend. I need to learn 11 pieces of music by heart till then.

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Offline kimballthurlow  
#37 Posted : 26 August 2010 07:17:22(UTC)
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Hi David,

Thanks for your description of work in progress. It is quite fascinating.

It recently took me 6 months of work to complete my layout, and while I took photos at every stage, I found it too much effot to post them here and describe it. So good on you for going to the trouble here.

On another note, (excuse the pun) I am not particularly fond of musical and such, but yesterday I was taken to see the stage show Mamma Mia, and I surprised myself by being very impressed by the sheer exuberance and clever production.

regards
Kimball
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#38 Posted : 26 August 2010 17:02:33(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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kimballthurlow wrote:
Hi David,

Thanks for your description of work in progress. It is quite fascinating.

It recently took me 6 months of work to complete my layout, and while I took photos at every stage, I found it too much effot to post them here and describe it. So good on you for going to the trouble here.

On another note, (excuse the pun) I am not particularly fond of musical and such, but yesterday I was taken to see the stage show Mamma Mia, and I surprised myself by being very impressed by the sheer exuberance and clever production.

regards
Kimball


Thanks Kimball. I´ll try to keep this up as a log for the project I´m using the most time and money for.

I haven´t seen Mamma Mia, but everyone says it´s good, so'll give it a chance. I´m not that fond of musicals either. Hehe. I mostly like classical music.

Some update. I´m finished with the 1st table. Tomorrow I´ll buy more wood for the 2 frames and the other table.

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Some turnout motors that have been fixed for better reliability.

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This is the last time when your able to see the bottom floor. Time for assembly which wasn´t as easy as I suspected because of the cables.

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The 2 floors are merged! In the background the 8 wheels are lying and are prepared for the tables! I´ve also moved some of the tracks in the correct position (the 4 end tracks) to fit the new improved plan.

/David
Offline klarinettmeister  
#39 Posted : 28 August 2010 00:53:56(UTC)
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Well, today I´ve been really busy and this is the result. I had to change the wheel arrangement because of the weight. Now the wheels are screwed to the legs so now I can´t adjust the height of the legs...

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The space under the layout isn´t enough... Crying
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Offline Maxi  
#40 Posted : 28 August 2010 01:13:06(UTC)
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Now I don't feel so bad when I try to find room for one more box in my train room Smile
Offline petestra  
#41 Posted : 28 August 2010 01:55:08(UTC)
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Nice work, David. Keep posting the progress! Yes, how can any show be bad with Abba's music in it?
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#42 Posted : 28 August 2010 14:03:06(UTC)
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David nice progress. Can you describe a little more what you did with the turnout motors?


Regards,


Thomas





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All the motors in the turnouts are opened and short curcuited for more reliable use.

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Some turnout motors that have been fixed for better reliability.


/David






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#43 Posted : 29 August 2010 18:23:54(UTC)
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GSRR wrote:



David nice progress. Can you describe a little more what you did with the turnout motors?


Regards,


Thomas





klarinettmeister wrote:


All the motors in the turnouts are opened and short curcuited for more reliable use.


Some turnout motors that have been fixed for better reliability.


/David








Hi Thomas and everyone else! Thanks for your support!

It arrives from ideas on this forum. I remember reading about the problems with the micro-switches not working properly. Half of mine malfunction. The solution was to solder a cable between the legs on the microswitches. I did another solution. I took a lot of soldering material and and used it between all the legs with the soldering pen. The problem was that it got a little to hot which made the microswitches loose.

It´s important though to not use the switches to often and when activated use as little time as possible, otherwise they will burn out.

Petestra, it depends on the performers too. Hehe.

Matthew, maybe there´s some space for new boxes under your bed. Cool
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#44 Posted : 29 August 2010 18:36:16(UTC)
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David,

any chance you can post a closeup picture of the work you did with the turnout?




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#45 Posted : 29 August 2010 21:06:38(UTC)
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Very good, Keep posted.ThumpUp
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#46 Posted : 10 September 2010 13:33:41(UTC)
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Hi all!

Sorry for not updating my thread but nothing´s been built. Why? I was busy last week with the changing of the guards at Stockholm and alot of other concerts. I´ve also noted the tolerances are not good. I´m going to disassamble the tables and the layout and and redo the tablework completely. That´s what I´m gonna do today and tomorrow.

I´ve also redone my plans. Why? The old plan would cost me 600 Euros and the newer one will cost me 100 Euros. That´s very important for me as I don´t have much money and I´d rather spend it on my train collection. The decision will leave me to only have 8 trains running as to 17 trains. The new plan have these cons and pros.

Pros:
+ Cheaper (I´ll save 500 Euros on tracks)
+ Construction made much easier with only one level
+ The big pieces of plywood can be screwed directly to the frame; much sturdier and more precis
+ I´ve added a track for future expansion (can be used as a storage track)
+ A special track for the Goliath is added
+ Much easier to disconnect the tables with one level

Cons:
- Less trains on the track for smooth running(8-10 trains as opposed to 17)
- Only one level could make it boring but parts of the city could be on 2nd level

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New plan. Suggestions?

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Here´s a pic for you Thomas. I´ve circled the 6 soldering points. It´s VERY important not to use the switches to much and lower the duration time on the CS to 250 ms because the switches won´t turn off automatically anymore and can be destroyed really easy. Be careful when soldering because the microswitches can move during the soldering.

/David

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#47 Posted : 10 September 2010 20:46:56(UTC)
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klarinettmeister wrote:


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Here´s a pic for you Thomas. I´ve circled the 6 soldering points. It´s VERY important not to use the switches to much and lower the duration time on the CS to 250 ms because the switches won´t turn off automatically anymore and can be destroyed really easy. Be careful when soldering because the microswitches can move during the soldering.

/David




David,

Thank you for posting the picture of the modified 74490 turnout motors.


r/Thomas

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#48 Posted : 10 September 2010 21:01:18(UTC)
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So the reason of this that the motors are unreliable is that the endpoint micro switches stick or have poor contact?


I guess you can never use these with an analog button or it will melt the coil unless you have a very quick finger.
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#49 Posted : 10 September 2010 21:39:06(UTC)
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dntower85 wrote:
So the reason of this that the motors are unreliable is that the endpoint micro switches stick or have poor contact?


I guess you can never use these with an analog button or it will melt the coil unless you have a very quick finger.


No, the microswitches have good contact, but there´s a microscopic piece of copper inside that´s very sensitive for dirt which of course appears when there´s current through them. Almost all my motors have failed. I can take a picture if I find the microswitch I opened. There should be a picture on it on this forum.

Anyway, now I´m finished with the new tablework. I worked alot faster than I though.

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#50 Posted : 11 September 2010 02:29:12(UTC)
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I´ve got it! Here´s what have been missing. Well, I still do miss some tracks but it´s mostly finished. I´m gonna order the missing tracks ASAP. The buildings are temporary. I need to give them some height and better places. Is 12 mm. too high? I´ve got alot of spare plywood.

Tomorrow (=after I´ve slept) I´m gonna position the tracks and cut out the plywood for the turnouts and drill some holes for the power feeds.

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#51 Posted : 11 September 2010 02:51:36(UTC)
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Nice :)

Will be following this thread to see your progress, I always love to see the development of a layout!

Not sure what you mean by giving your buildings 12mm more height, but I think having just a little height difference between the different buildings, or between the buildings and the track will be a nice touch :)

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#52 Posted : 11 September 2010 12:27:42(UTC)
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MikeK wrote:
Nice :)

Will be following this thread to see your progress, I always love to see the development of a layout!

Not sure what you mean by giving your buildings 12mm more height, but I think having just a little height difference between the different buildings, or between the buildings and the track will be a nice touch :)

^__^
Mike


Thanks Mike. I´ll update it as soon there´s some progress.

I´m thinking mostly of the station. It looks a little to low and the cars touch the roof when they pass by. I´ve read in an article in MM some time ago that you could use 4 mm. plywood between the C-track and another 3 mm. plywood on top of that. That´s 7 mm. Now I´ve found out WS has foam core that´s 1/4 inch=6,35 mm. They aren´t cheap, but I know they are made of good quality and my test showed that 12 mm. is too much!
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#53 Posted : 11 September 2010 14:17:41(UTC)
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klarinettmeister wrote:


Thanks Mike. I´ll update it as soon there´s some progress.

I´m thinking mostly of the station. It looks a little to low and the cars touch the roof when they pass by. I´ve read in an article in MM some time ago that you could use 4 mm. plywood between the C-track and another 3 mm. plywood on top of that. That´s 7 mm. Now I´ve found out WS has foam core that´s 1/4 inch=6,35 mm. They aren´t cheap, but I know they are made of good quality and my test showed that 12 mm. is too much!


Did you consider using expanded polystyrene? it is cheap, comes in different thicknesses and is easy to cut with the right tools :)

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#54 Posted : 11 September 2010 20:49:40(UTC)
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MikeK wrote:
klarinettmeister wrote:


Thanks Mike. I´ll update it as soon there´s some progress.

I´m thinking mostly of the station. It looks a little to low and the cars touch the roof when they pass by. I´ve read in an article in MM some time ago that you could use 4 mm. plywood between the C-track and another 3 mm. plywood on top of that. That´s 7 mm. Now I´ve found out WS has foam core that´s 1/4 inch=6,35 mm. They aren´t cheap, but I know they are made of good quality and my test showed that 12 mm. is too much!


Did you consider using expanded polystyrene? it is cheap, comes in different thicknesses and is easy to cut with the right tools :)

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No. I´ve only been thinking about the foam. The problem is that all the shops around here sells 30 mm. thickness and up... But I´m considering ordering this when I´m ordering the missing rails. Foam sheets. My plan is to cut strips for the Bonn-station and a few buildings from Walthers and use rest of it for the road. I´ll try having my Faller bus from the Car System I bought in Hamburg.

The military buildings from Faller will be on a piece of 12 mm. plywood.
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#55 Posted : 11 September 2010 21:16:09(UTC)
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Looks good, David. ThumpUp
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#56 Posted : 11 September 2010 21:35:20(UTC)
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Looks good, David. ThumpUp


Thanks Juhan!

It´s evening now, But I gotta do something. Here´s entertainment for tonight. Painting the railings while looking at Jarhead on BD. Assemble the railing and ammunition boxes and also the wire. I´ve found a piece of plywood I have to cut tomorrow. I haven´t decided which colour for the railings but I think I´ll go with Revell 90 metallic silver. Unfortantely I don´t have any good colours for the base and I doubt "Elk flesh" is appropriate...

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#57 Posted : 11 September 2010 21:56:59(UTC)
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klarinettmeister wrote:


No. I´ve only been thinking about the foam. The problem is that all the shops around here sells 30 mm. thickness and up... But I´m considering ordering this when I´m ordering the missing rails. Foam sheets. My plan is to cut strips for the Bonn-station and a few buildings from Walthers and use rest of it for the road. I´ll try having my Faller bus from the Car System I bought in Hamburg.

The military buildings from Faller will be on a piece of 12 mm. plywood.


You are right, that is really an expensive option, but I'm sure its a nice product :)
A single track on the floor is better than no track at all...
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#58 Posted : 12 September 2010 01:19:26(UTC)
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The railing is painted and assembled. There´s only space for the big barracks and the headquarters. I´m going to use the small barrack and the tank storage building on another place on the layout, just as in the reality.

Tomorrow I´ll cut the plywood, drill holes for the lighting and paint the ground and then it will be finished. There will be a mix of american and german WWII-soldiers. (Yes, I took the wrong box last time but I was in a hurry as the store was about to be closed).

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#59 Posted : 12 September 2010 01:43:26(UTC)
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klarinettmeister wrote:
Webmaster wrote:
Looks good, David. ThumpUp


Thanks Juhan!

It´s evening now, But I gotta do something. Here´s entertainment for tonight. Painting the railings while looking at Jarhead on BD. Assemble the railing and ammunition boxes and also the wire. I´ve found a piece of plywood I have to cut tomorrow. I haven´t decided which colour for the railings but I think I´ll go with Revell 90 metallic silver. Unfortantely I don´t have any good colours for the base and I doubt "Elk flesh" is appropriate...

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So you must be a Marine!!!! I'm a retired Flyboy on the C-5 aircraft. I've been reading all your posting and are you located in military housing? I was based at Ramstein AB, Germany and since flight quesrter are not spaceous, I discovered Z scale. Now that I'm retired and have a whold house, well maybe a spare bedroom, I've returned to HOac. Now my wife wants a garden RR and I tooke her shopping for LGB trains, she was shocked at the price. I purchased a M* 1 sscale live steam engine while in Deutschland, but haven't run it YET


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#60 Posted : 12 September 2010 02:00:18(UTC)
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Loadmaster wrote:



So you must be a Marine!!!! I'm a retired Flyboy on the C-5 aircraft. I've been reading all your posting and are you located in military housing? I was based at Ramstein AB, Germany and since flight quesrter are not spaceous, I discovered Z scale. Now that I'm retired and have a whold house, well maybe a spare bedroom, I've returned to HOac. Now my wife wants a garden RR and I tooke her shopping for LGB trains, she was shocked at the price. I purchased a M* 1 sscale live steam engine while in Deutschland, but haven't run it YET


Robert


Robert, I´m not a marine and has never been. We have something that´s a little equivalent in our country but it´s very physical. I´m just a protective guard and have a rank as a 1st sergeant. C-5 aircraft!! Wow, that´s amazing. I´ve only been flying gliders.
It´s nice you have so much space. That´s what I´m dreaming of. My apartment is 30 Square meters.
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#61 Posted : 12 September 2010 22:44:14(UTC)
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Today I´ve cleaned my apartment and thrown away almost all my old VHS-cassettes. I have cut out the plywood and the the cutout was perfect for storing boxes for the rails. (Pics to come).

Just now I ordered the missing rails and some other stuff. Among the ordered stuff was Faller 120199. I couldn´t resist and it will fit in perfectly. I´ll propably but one more, but maybe it will look strange as they will not be together because of the curved station track. And it will also be in the way for the military diorama... Hmmm. I also ordered 2 boxes of foam sheets = 8 sheets. I´ll propably get the stuff on tuesday. Of course I forgot to order ballast for the tracks and the barracks...
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#62 Posted : 13 September 2010 23:24:58(UTC)
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Today I´ve done some boring things that´s not possible to see from the viewers. I´ve cut out the plywood under the turnouts. That way I can change the motor or electronics without removing the switches. Of course I forgot to cut out for the 24672. But it doesn´t matter as I haven´t got the correct position for it. Here´s tonight updates. Enjoy!

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The buildings are plaeced where they are supposed to be. The road and most of the buildings will be on 6,35 mm. foam sheets. They will propably arrive tomorrow. Unfortantely I couldn´t find any space for the Amtrak station...

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The result of the painted plywood. It looked terrible when I was finished, but together with the buildings it looks ok. Of course there vill be some sand and grass. The 6 holes are drilled for the LED lighting Brawa 3401. The barracks have 12 mm. height and the road around it will be 6,35 mm if everything goes as planned.
I´ve also drilled the plastic in the Walthers buildings behind and installed Brawa 3401 LED lighting in all 4 buildings.

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The 2 trucks represents where the road will be. I want to use my Faller car system bus there. Will have to do a test first.

During the weekend I´ve done the ultimate test. My full length ICE 3 and my full length ICE Amtrak have been running forwards and backwards on the outer loop in full speed (not at the same time). No problems observed.
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#63 Posted : 14 September 2010 04:34:01(UTC)
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Thanks for the continuation.

Isn't C track great!!

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#64 Posted : 14 September 2010 05:34:35(UTC)
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David,
thanks for sharing your layout with us and giving us the inside story of c-track turnouts.

I haven't seen the inside of the micro switches (picture).
Can you elobarate a bit more, what you've actually done and how.

Also can you explain why the tunrout switches fail ?
You said a build up of dirt, etc etc.
Having had problems with mine, not so much the micro switches but the PCB having faulty contacts.
These micro switches are also used in the switching c - track and they sometimes do not return to their neutral position, your idea of solving the problem may help these track switches aswell.

John

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#65 Posted : 14 September 2010 05:39:50(UTC)
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David,

How many cars in the ICE 3?

Robert
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#66 Posted : 14 September 2010 06:00:36(UTC)
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Hi David,

Great progress. ThumpUp

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#67 Posted : 14 September 2010 10:06:23(UTC)
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Looking really nice, David. Keep up the good work!

Have you decided that the layout is going to be only single level?

Cheers,
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#68 Posted : 14 September 2010 12:37:30(UTC)
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Thanks for the replies! It feels very good with your feedback.

Kimball, the C-track is really, really good. Perfect for storing everything under.

John, I have 15 motors and I´ve been having lots and lots of problems just like yours. They would simply not move. Some motors failed in one direction, some didn´t move at all. Hope my solution helps you. If you want to restore the motors to original, just use the solder pen and remove the solder material.

Robert, there are 8 cars in my ICE 3. They consist of 37780 (3 cars), 43707, 43717, 43727, 43737 and 43747. I´ve a picture for you.

Thanks Ian! I feel so energetic about this project I haven´t been playing any Playstation 3 for almost 2 weeks now!

Thanks Ranjit! Yes. I´ve decided on one level. Mostly due to technical reasons. It will be much easier to move the layout if I find a bigger apartment (and a job).

Here´s an update this morning.

As usual I have to do something in the night and here´s the result. I've cheated a little and painted the "metal" parts before reomving them from the moulds the night before. I´ve also got a big bo with some nice stuff.

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The hammers, the saws, the shovels are soooo tiny!!! I actually lost one of the 18 shovels...

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Here´s my broken motor 74490 in detail. Note the black microscopic peg at the upper microswitch. That´s the connection between the switch and the copperblade!

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Can you even see this?? It´s so tiny. That copperblade with the spring is what could fail. On that tiny copperblad there are 2 contact points. One over and one over and works just like the switching mechanism for front/rear lighting as in some trains like the Silberlinge 4160, the S-bahn 4390 and so on. The contact points are less than 1 mm. and they have to direct strong currents! I´ve seen suggestions using sandpaper to get rid of the dirt. I´ve tried but failed to assemble the microswitches. And yes, I have tiny fingers! therefore I just solder the microswitches at their legs.

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Yes! Yes! A new shipment has arrived!

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Here are the contents from Brawa, Faller, Märklin and Woodland Scenics.

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Complete ICE 3 with 8 cars. And yes... 3 light bulbs are broken and needs to be replaced. In the background you can see my 3700 ICE Amtrak with the 8 cars.
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#69 Posted : 14 September 2010 12:44:34(UTC)
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David, thanks for the picture.

Having heard your reasons for the failure of the micro switches, my suspicion of failure is also pointing at the spring.
As mentioned before, the same micro switch used in the switching c-track the spring should be strong enough to return the sviveling arm back to its neutral position.
I did'nt think you could take them apart but seeing you have done it, I'll try it myself and have look if anything can be done with the spring or replace it with a slight stronger or stretch it out slightly.

Thanks again for your trouble,

regatrding your last picture with the 2 Ice trains, I've replaced the bulbs with Led's and the resistor is placed behind the globeholder.
Having the lights on fo a long time, they get very hot and deform the light reflector.

regards.,

John
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#70 Posted : 14 September 2010 13:18:06(UTC)
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river6109 wrote:
David, thanks for the picture.

Having heard your reasons for the failure of the micro switches, my suspicion of failure is also pointing at the spring.
As mentioned before, the same micro switch used in the switching c-track the spring should be strong enough to return the sviveling arm back to its neutral position.
I did'nt think you could take them apart but seeing you have done it, I'll try it myself and have look if anything can be done with the spring or replace it with a slight stronger or stretch it out slightly.

Thanks again for your trouble,

regatrding your last picture with the 2 Ice trains, I've replaced the bulbs with Led's and the resistor is placed behind the globeholder.
Having the lights on fo a long time, they get very hot and deform the light reflector.

regards.,

John


Hope it works for you. A tip! Unsolder the microswitches before you open them. If you try open them it´s easy to pry them off the PCB and destroying parts of the PCB.

Thanks for the tip with the LED:s. I did some testing before with LED in the ICE 3. It worked perfect and was about to change in the whole train before I realised a problem. The problem was, it only worked in one direction...The ICE 3 converts the AC to DC for lighting and the poles changes over the direction of travel. The Brawa LED bulbs for the houses work perfect as they propably have diodes in them, but they are too big to fit in the light diffusor. Have you changed the lights for ICE 1 and ICE 2? I guess there´s AC current. I really hope someone will make replacement LEDs in the same size as the 610080.


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I opened the box for the Faller 120199. So many parts!!! It will take forever. The Bonn station was just the ouverture and this is the whole opera!!
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#71 Posted : 21 September 2010 01:02:55(UTC)
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It's been almost a week since I updated my thread. I´ve been busy meeting friends and family and preparing for my 2 weeks in Scotland beginning next thursday.

What's new?
-All tracks are placed.
-Wiring under the table has been made, but not completed.
-The Faller platform is almost completed (the accessory set is going to be used too).
-Some foam sheets have been cut to give some height for the station and the platform.
-Installed lighting in the station.
-A new small section of catenary is installed.

What´s next:
-Install LED-lights in the covered platform and the Faller military buildings (will propably change the plywood base for foam sheet base).
-Connect rest of the turnouts (table 2).

Problems:
-Overhead wire at the station. The station is on one side and the covered platform is on the other. No space for catenary mast. Solution: move the covered platform one track.


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The Brawa LED lights are very white. I changed the LED for an ordinary light bulb inside the waiting hall. That light bulb is easy to change. Just lift the roof. Rest of the lights are LEDs. That way you don´t need to change them as they should have almost unlimited lifespan. Does it look strange?
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#72 Posted : 21 September 2010 02:00:34(UTC)
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David,
There is someone out there that makes Led's with a screw & bayonetfitting.

found it: http://www.trainaidsa.com/shop-leds.shtml

John
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#73 Posted : 21 September 2010 08:03:30(UTC)
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Hi David,

The layout is looking great. ThumpUp

I hope you enjoy your time in Scotland.

Ian.
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#74 Posted : 21 September 2010 12:14:41(UTC)
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river6109 wrote:
David,
There is someone out there that makes Led's with a screw & bayonetfitting.

found it: http://www.trainaidsa.com/shop-leds.shtml

John


Thanks John! It´s no real help before it´s possible to make small LEDs with legs. Replacements for the 610080. The Brawa house lights have screw fitting, but they are a little longer than ordinary bulbs. The base ise the same as from Faller, Beli-beco and a lots of other kind.

Thanks Ian! I´m getting nervous. I don´t know what my orders will be. I don´t know if I have to travel next thursday or friday. I even don´t know which uniform I need for the job. But I guess it´s the green one. I´ll propably get some information this week.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#75 Posted : 29 September 2010 13:04:06(UTC)
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This will be my last update for 2 weeks. I haven´t done anything that you can see from above. All the turnouts but one are connected. I need to buy blue cable and some brown and yellow sockets and plugs.

I´ve just installed lightning inside one of the military buildings. I experimented and used 2 lampsockets with an ordinary light bulb and a white LED. The result is on the picture. It´s not that yellow and not that white.

Tonight I´ll start my trip for Scotland!

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Offline Ian555  
#76 Posted : 29 September 2010 13:30:50(UTC)
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Hi David,

We're expecting heavy rain for the next 2 to 3 days.Smile

Have a great time over here in Scotland.

Ian.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#77 Posted : 29 September 2010 13:54:29(UTC)
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Ian555 wrote:
Hi David,

We're expecting heavy rain for the next 2 to 3 days.Smile

Have a great time over here in Scotland.

Ian.


Thanks Ian for the heads up! I saw the weather forecast for Sweden yesterday but the woman was standing just in front of Scotland! I´ve got my raincoat in my backpack.
Offline jeehring  
#78 Posted : 04 December 2010 13:43:33(UTC)
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.....this is the first time I come here on this INTERESTING topic....Before it's too late, allow me to suggest something : I didn't see any "uncoupling track"...why don't you install few of them at the right place, it gives more fun when playing, rolling, maneuvering, operating,...etc...
( their lenght = half of a 188 mm piece of track...)
Offline Loadmaster  
#79 Posted : 04 December 2010 19:10:35(UTC)
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David,

How is your layout progressing? We have not seen any progress photos since September.

Robert
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#80 Posted : 05 December 2010 09:58:17(UTC)
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Hey there!

There´s been no update because there hasn´t been any. I´m not pleased with the layout.
The Big Boys hit the station when I want them to go to/from the sidetrack. I should have been thinking about that before I placed the station.
The S curve before the station really looks ugly.
There are only 2 station tracks that can house full lenght trains and I don´t like the curves as station tracks.
There is no real goods yard (where I could have uncoupler tracks), only tracks where I can put my trains.
I´m now using it for driving my trains, till I´ve come up with a better plan.

The lack of space in my apartment makes it impossible to fulfill my layout dreams Crying
Offline Chris6382chris  
#81 Posted : 05 December 2010 17:30:57(UTC)
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Hang in there David. I know the feeling. And if you are running the Big Boy what a challenge. My wife often will ask me what is wrong when I am in my train room because I will be so silent. I have to reassure her that I am great, I am just focused on a particular problem with my layout design and am trying to come up with a better plan. LOL

Chris
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#82 Posted : 05 December 2010 18:15:52(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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Chris6382chris wrote:
Hang in there David. I know the feeling. And if you are running the Big Boy what a challenge. My wife often will ask me what is wrong when I am in my train room because I will be so silent. I have to reassure her that I am great, I am just focused on a particular problem with my layout design and am trying to come up with a better plan. LOL

Chris


Thanks Chris! Thanks for the courage! Maybe I´ll just change some turnouts and some tracks and focus on that. The Big Boys are a real challenge. They hit the signs in my waiting hall so I have to remove them till I give them some more height.

I´ve looked at your thread and you're layout turns out fine. BigGrin
Planning is very important so I don´t know how I missed the part with the station... It really is a beginner´s mistake.

Any suggestions for improvements are welcome.
Offline Chris6382chris  
#83 Posted : 05 December 2010 19:21:33(UTC)
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Thanks for the kind words. My layout is coming along but I am keeping things really simple. I have also made a decision to limit the size of my engines and rolling stock (all of my curves are R1).

I did buy a Ludmilla but besides that all my engines are tank locomotives and one V60 Diesel. I am actually thinking of selling the Ludmilla and adding a couple more steam engines (again keeping the length relatively short) the Ludmilla is just a bit to big for the layout I think.

To have three Big Boys on your layout that would be a challenge.

Chris

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#84 Posted : 20 February 2011 23:37:53(UTC)
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Now I´ve begun with a new layout again. The size will be 5040*1244. There are 2 tables (1800*1244) with 4 frames (1080+1440+1440+1080, based on 360) with 1244 mm. width. It will be in 3 layers. The tables and frames are assembled. Pictures will come.
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Offline Ian555  
#85 Posted : 21 February 2011 08:13:59(UTC)
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Hi David,

Have fun with the new layout.

Ian.



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Offline klarinettmeister  
#86 Posted : 23 February 2011 08:24:29(UTC)
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Thank you Ian!

It will take some time before it´s finished (if it will be) as I´m missing a lot of tracks.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#87 Posted : 17 March 2011 10:38:26(UTC)
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After seeing alot of inspiring pictures I decided to order the Walthers rolling mill 933-2971 as there was a shop here in Sweden that had it in their stock.
I´ve painted some details with humbrol 90 and Humbrol 65 (aircraft blue, matt). I´ve also the blast furnace on order which propably will be here in a month time and I´ll plan my layout according to those buildings. And yes, the other layout project is now on ice so this is mostly to keep my interest in the hobby and to avoid being a gamer-junkie. I´ve also been inspired by the layout of Christoffer in the modular type of design.

I´m pretty impressed with the paints. They are 11 years old and I only used a stick to stir the paints and they were perfect to use!

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Huge box. About 25 sprues.

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First parts are painted with Humbrol 90.

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Even some more details painted with Humbrol 90 and 65.

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This is how it looked yesterday, after 2 days work (6 hours).

Today I´ll have to go to Malmö just to buy some yellow paint for the railings and some other paint for the roof/walls and the supportbeams. I've no idead what kind of paint I need. Suggestions? Will the Humbrol 65 look strange on the support beams?
Offline MikeK  
#88 Posted : 17 March 2011 21:17:24(UTC)
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Wauw - that is a nice model :) Hope you will post pictures as the work progresses :)

^__^
Mike
A single track on the floor is better than no track at all...
Offline kariosls37  
#89 Posted : 18 March 2011 06:51:22(UTC)
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That looks like an impressive structureThumpUp I agree that Humbrols are brilliant. Some of my jars survived a move halfway around the globe almost a decade ago, and I still use themThumpUp
I have no idea of what colour the parts should be, but google is your friend. One thing I will say is that there is a very good chance that everything will be coated in a mix of rust and grime, so don't make it too clean. Again, google for photos, they will be a great help.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#90 Posted : 18 March 2011 13:28:36(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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Mike, Some pictures will come this evening.

I bought some new colours yesterday in Malmö. So now the rails are painted yellow and are in place. I also painted the 2 roofstacks in brown Gloss 10.

Right now I´m preparing the 2 side walls, the 8 side walls and the 8 roof parts for painting. I´ll be using Matt 28. I´ll paint every detail and will let them dry. Then I´ll glue them together when the support beams are in place.

On the support beams I´ll use Matt 157. Will propably not be finished with the paint jobs today.

I´ve learned the hard way to let the colours dry before you glue. I didn´t yesterday so one ladder became terrible so I had to paint it again. Also I dropped half of the yellow paint bottle on the ground floor. I wiped it off with some paper. It looks pretty ok.
Offline klarinettmeister  
#91 Posted : 18 March 2011 16:32:38(UTC)
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A small update.

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Here are the yellow painted handrails. Painted in Humbrol 24.

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All but one wall are painted in Humbrol 28. All but 3 roofs are painted in the darker Humbrol 27. I guess I have to do a new order.
Offline Ian555  
#92 Posted : 18 March 2011 16:46:41(UTC)
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Hi David,

That will be a great looking structure, how big is it when assembled?

Ian.

Offline river6109  
#93 Posted : 18 March 2011 17:28:31(UTC)
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David,

Looks like you've got a storing or drinking problem.LOL

John
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Offline klarinettmeister  
#94 Posted : 18 March 2011 18:30:11(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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Ian, the base is about 81*26 cm. There´s also a platform for 2 smokestacks that makes it 30 cm wide. So it´s quite a big structure. There are lines for the sides at the edges of the base so the building size is the same as the base.

John, you take what you´ve got. BigGrin But it´s only bottles with different kinds of oil and balsamico so it´s not that exciting.The bottles with the "more special" liquid are stored elsewhere. The only space I could do this was in the kitchen.

Well, time to glue the 13 girder assemblies together (39 parts).
Offline klarinettmeister  
#95 Posted : 19 March 2011 00:05:56(UTC)
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Here´s tonight's update.

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The 13 girder assemblies are painted in Humbrol 157. I´ve "only" painted the brackets (took forever) and the visible parts. Now the sectioned roofs are glued together and left to dry on the floor. That paint bottle is also empty, so now I´ve emptied 3 bottles of paint!

Not that much left now. Only the side walls, the smoke stacks, the roof and the ventilation. There are 2 alternatives for venting. The first one is the monitor type, which looks like an extra smaller roof on the roof. The 2nd one is the cylindrical type with 8 cylindrical vents spread evenly on the roof on the rear side. I´ve chosen to go with the cylindrical type. Or what do you think?

I also need lighting. I´ve bought 10 LEDs that I can install in serial and parallell (2*5) but I don´t know how I should install them. It´s not easy changing them if there are any problems if I glue the roof, which I have to. Or I could glue some Brawa white LED's on the front wall. That way I could reach the bulbs from the rear and change if I want to but they will be propably be visible from the tracks...

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Offline klarinettmeister  
#96 Posted : 19 March 2011 18:07:51(UTC)
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New update:

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Some lighting. 6 LEDs from Brawa.

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Welcome in to the machinehall.


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This is how it looks like inside.

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The completed rolling mill. I´ve chosen the monitor type vents, but they aren´t glued to the roof so they are removable. Also there´s one loose roof panel if I want to acces the building from above.

The only thing missing are the some Preiserlings and some more paint and maybe a crane. But otherwise it´s complete!
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Offline Christoffer  
#97 Posted : 19 March 2011 18:14:47(UTC)
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Impressive structure you got there David! Cool. bet it would fit good on your layout!

Good job!
Offline Ian555  
#98 Posted : 19 March 2011 18:22:53(UTC)
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Hi David,

Looks really good, I like the photo looking at the inside of the building.ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline klarinettmeister  
#99 Posted : 19 March 2011 19:01:16(UTC)
klarinettmeister

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Thank you Christoffer. If I had a layout maybe it would fit. Now I really have to have something to have the rolling mill on. The blast furnace is propably on it´s way too and it´s just a little smaller than this building.

Thank you Ian! There are lot more pictures from the construction too. I´ll see if I do a video with them.
Offline kariosls37  
#100 Posted : 19 March 2011 20:22:05(UTC)
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The rolling mill has turned out very realistic. IMHO it could still use a lot of dust/dirt. Other details hat you could add is a slab of steel being rolled. a bit of thick styrene and a bit of thinner styrene a dull grey colour and stick them on either side of the rollers. if it's a hot rolling mill you can use clear styrene painted a orange-red colour and install an orange LED below it to give the steel a warm glow.
If you buy the other steelmaking facilities as well you have the beginnings of a compact and interesting industrial layout or diorama.
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