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Offline Rinus  
#1 Posted : 30 April 2010 11:55:33(UTC)
Rinus


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In the past months I've been working on a new lay-out, which will be based on the reallife Brennerbahn.

The Brenner Railway is a major line connecting the Austrian and Italian railways from Innsbruck and Verona passing over the Brenner Pass and descending down to Bolzano and to Verona. The line is part of the Line 1 of Trans-European Transport Networks (TEN-T).

In my opinion this line is as fascinating as the Gotthardline, while the rolling stock on this line gives much more variation. Also my addiction for ÖBB and FS trains contributes to my choise

See for general information:
http://www.alpenbahnen.net/html/brennerbahn.html

Highlights
The line will focus on the Austrian part of the line for now. Since it will be modular Italian parts may follow in the future.

I want to incorporate the following highlights of the line:

The famous spot at Sankt Jodok:
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Station of Matrei:
http://www.sporenplan.nl/figure..._schaal/37/matrei_83.jpg

Tunnel of Matrei
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A brigde [haven't decided yet which one - difficult to get good pictures) Picture's and idea's are welcome here!!ThumpUp

Lay-out
The lay-out will get an extended L-shape and based in a 3.60 by 3.60 room. Since I might switch houses in the future, the layout will be modular. Furthermore I want to keep the plan simple and as realistic as posible given the circumstances and my skill. This means large radius curves and switches (> 900mm) on the visible parts. Given the rather small room dimensions this means I can only build a small fraction of the line. This however does not trouble me. I want to focus on realism and detail.

Rolling stock
I'm going to sin on this aspect. I can't concentrate on a very narrow time span, since there are and have been such wonderfull trains on this line in the time span from the 1950's to the 1990's that I will probably be running a mixed group of trains from all over the era III to V.

Think of:
- ÖBB Electic / diesel engine's: RH 1010 - 1020 - 1040 - 1041 - 1044 - 1144 - 2043 etc...
- FS E 645 and E 412/405
- DB 110 and VT 11.5
- RoLa trains
- TEN Night trains
- Heavy freight trains

RH 1144
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E405
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For further pictures look for Mario Stelini on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/search/?s...q=brennerbahn&m=text

Progress
As with my previous lay-out I will post my progress in this forum. Im working on the frame at the moment. When its done (and when I have a new camera) I'll post some picture's.

Edited by user 02 February 2014 19:44:37(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Ian555  
#2 Posted : 30 April 2010 12:04:50(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Sounds like a great project.

Looking forward to some photo's.

Ian.
Offline river6109  
#3 Posted : 30 April 2010 12:38:01(UTC)
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Rinus,
When building the layout don't forget to wear "Lederhosen", you get things done quicker.BigGrin

Looking forward to some pictures in future.

I think the Brenner had also a variety of Austrian locos,



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Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 30 April 2010 13:28:29(UTC)
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Great project, Rinus.

A couple of years ago I went down the Brenner pass on board the VS Orient Express. Here's a couple of photos I took which might give you ideas:

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This last one is the loco that pulled the Orient Express on it's last leg. I took the photo when we got off the train at Venice.

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Offline trainbuff  
#5 Posted : 30 April 2010 14:19:43(UTC)
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Looking forward to see this layout.
Offline pab  
#6 Posted : 30 April 2010 20:47:18(UTC)
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Hi Rinus.
Ambitious project. Lots of succes.
Hope you publish lots of information and pictures about your project.
Offline steventrain  
#7 Posted : 30 April 2010 21:09:53(UTC)
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Excellent pictures.

Keep posted soon, Rinus.Smile
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Offline rbw993  
#8 Posted : 30 April 2010 23:21:22(UTC)
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I can see why you are excited about modelling the line. The scenery is spectacular. I look forward to seeing your track plan and layout progress.

Roger
Offline Rinus  
#9 Posted : 08 May 2010 23:24:49(UTC)
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Thank you for your generous response here! It encouraged me to put a lot of effort in the lay-out last week (the bad weather helped a bit tooWink )

I have been working on the frame and the spirals. I will concentrate on the frame in this update however. The spiral will be next weeks challange.Razz

The frame will have to support 3 layers of modules (being 2 levels with hidden yards and the main level), so it needs to be sturdy. Also it has to be flexible, which means here that, when needed, it will have to be easily broken apart and build up again.

With these two limitations on mind, I decided to use L shaped metal profiles, which you can buy in every building materals marked. They are cheap and easy to work with. In order to gain some extra strenght I decided, not only to bolt these profiles together, but also to use special glue. I'm very pleased with the result. Not only does it fits to my demands, but also it was extremely fun making it. Also during the proces, some minor adjustments in height proved possible, due to the very flexible concept.

The modules for the hidden yard are made from wood. Metal would be to noisy here. I used plywood (12mm) in combination with a supporting frame made of 27*27mm wooden beams. To protect it, I decided to add two layers of paint. This took some time, but provides a very smooth surface, and thus creating an ideal situation for laying the tracks later on. On top of that will be a 4 mm thick layer of cork, which will reduce noise.

In order to minimize the posibility of modules moving apart, I decided to fix the modules to the frame and eachother with bolts. Results are very nice, with very small differences in heigth between the modules.

The results can be seen here below, enjoy and feel free to comment!

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Offline Trainingtime  
#10 Posted : 10 May 2010 17:16:50(UTC)
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Very impressive.
Offline dntower85  
#11 Posted : 10 May 2010 17:24:01(UTC)
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Nice frame work,

This gives me some ideals as I am in the middle of redesigning my hidden level.
DT
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Offline Rinus  
#12 Posted : 12 May 2010 09:01:54(UTC)
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Thank you.

It really is worth considering this technique. Especially since it is really easy to make adjustmens to the initial design once you see things worf out differently than you imagined at first. Just unbolt the profiles, make the adjustments and youre done. With wood this would give a lot more problems.

I've made an extra frame yesterday and will start my work on the spiral this evening. I'm really looking forward to it, since it will be a very important feature in my new lay-out.

Also I bought a hot glue gun, which I'm planning to use to fasten the cork rail bed.
Offline Ian555  
#13 Posted : 12 May 2010 09:08:47(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great looking work,looking forward to your progress.

Ian.
Offline nevw  
#14 Posted : 12 May 2010 09:36:46(UTC)
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Very Impressive Rinus. Very good Progress.

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Offline steventrain  
#15 Posted : 12 May 2010 12:05:26(UTC)
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Excellent process.Smile
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Offline Rinus  
#16 Posted : 13 May 2010 16:37:06(UTC)
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Thank you! I'm working at the large spiral today. I'm on a short break, since I want to complete it today. Quite a challange, but I hope to post some pictures today.
Offline RayF  
#17 Posted : 13 May 2010 17:22:57(UTC)
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Rinus, I look forward to seeing how your novel building method works out.
Ray

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Offline Rinus  
#18 Posted : 13 May 2010 22:26:54(UTC)
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As promised the results of my work on the helix.

The spiral will have to take the train from the top level tot the lowest hidden yard, situated 54 cm lower. In order to keep the gradient below 3,5%, I've chosen to use a large radius (2241 K-track outer circle and -64.6 mm inner circle) in combination with a height gain of 9.0 cm per round.

This may sound complicated, but there is a very usefull programm for this which can be downloaded on this site: http://www.stayathome.ch/gleiswendel.htm. I followed the method descibed on this site by Rainer. It proved very easy and above all effective. Many thanks Ranier for your very detailed description.

Both the frame and the sections where completed earlier. Today I put them both together. Took me all day, but the results are very good. Its very sturdy. I left my heavy drilling machine on it, without problems. If you look closely, you'll notice a slight torsion in the treads.

I used two layers of 4mm plywood, glued the sections, painted them and bolted the together on a M8 steal tread. The frame was made out of 12 mm plywood on a 44mm woodenframe, which was also painted. I will add cork on the sections later on.

Thats it for now, enjoy the pictures, and don't hesitate to give your thoughts on improvement!ThumpUp

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Offline Ian555  
#19 Posted : 13 May 2010 22:56:20(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great looking work on the helix. ThumpUp

Ian.
Offline river6109  
#20 Posted : 14 May 2010 06:40:03(UTC)
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Rinus,
Have you borrowed Ray's spaceshuttle launcher ? Cool

Looks very professional,ThumpUp ThumpUp

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Offline Rinus  
#21 Posted : 14 May 2010 09:30:09(UTC)
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Nice work, isn't it. Ray is free to test his space shuttle here when ever he likes, as long as it is in exact 1/87 scaleBigGrin

It will be quite a challange to fit in the track, however.

I'm also thinking about the best way to handle the pantographs. There is no room to fit in the regular catenary or the Viessmann catenary for tunnels. There is only 8.5 cm of clearance. Since the surface is absolutely flat and smooth I'm thinking to use no guidance at all, except for the entrance sections, and use the roof as guidance for the pantographs.

Since all my E-loco's are packed in however its not so easy to test that. Do you think that will work? What is the average height of a E-loco with streched panto's?
Offline RayF  
#22 Posted : 14 May 2010 10:50:44(UTC)
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Rinus wrote:
Nice work, isn't it. Ray is free to test his space shuttle here when ever he likes, as long as it is in exact 1/87 scaleBigGrin



Thanks, I'll use your Helix as a landing pad on the way down from the ISS. BigGrin
Ray

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Offline RayF  
#23 Posted : 14 May 2010 10:52:52(UTC)
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Rinus wrote:


...

What is the average height of a E-loco with streched panto's?


My locos show a huge variation in panto height when released. As long as you have a ramp section to get the panto to the right height I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Ray

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Offline Macfire  
#24 Posted : 14 May 2010 11:19:02(UTC)
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Nice Rinus,
With a helix like that - you're not from Texas are you??????
BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin
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Offline RayF  
#25 Posted : 14 May 2010 12:29:56(UTC)
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I just realised what your helix reminds me of: BigGrin

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Offline Macfire  
#26 Posted : 14 May 2010 16:10:21(UTC)
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RayPayas wrote:
I just realised what your helix reminds me of: BigGrin


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Offline Macfire  
#27 Posted : 14 May 2010 16:16:47(UTC)
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Rinus:
Check what Dale Shultz did here: Tunnel Cantenary

Might help, I intend to do this myself.
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Offline Rinus  
#28 Posted : 16 May 2010 12:05:15(UTC)
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Macfire wrote:
Nice Rinus,
With a helix like that - you're not from Texas are you??????
BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin


No I'm not. But being a Dutchman I decided to add another level(6th) on the existing helix. Cool Cool

Furthermore: Im planning my seccond helix, which will be slightly smaller in diameter but shaped as an oval, like the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.
Offline Rinus  
#29 Posted : 16 May 2010 12:08:58(UTC)
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Macfire wrote:
Rinus:
Check what Dale Shultz did here: Tunnel Cantenary

Might help, I intend to do this myself.


Well for the exit/entrance this works fine. Problem is there will not be enough room for the panto to be be fully streched since there is only 8 cm clearance, which means it cant be limited to just a exit/entrance section. But tis system gives me some inspiration. It can be easily extracted to the complete helix by taking a messing or copper strip and glue it to the roof of the helix.

I'll put my thoughts on that one.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#30 Posted : 16 May 2010 12:20:23(UTC)
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Rinus, as I said in PDX's thread, I used brass gas welding rods for this purpose.

You can get an idea of what I did from pictures in my layout thread.


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Offline river6109  
#31 Posted : 16 May 2010 12:37:35(UTC)
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Rinus,
Some have applied the overheadsystem straight underneath your helix trackboard.

John
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Offline Rinus  
#32 Posted : 31 May 2010 20:56:24(UTC)
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Update!

I've been working on helix II last weekend. Its not done yet. I'll be painting it this week and hopefully puting it together next weekend if things work out as planned (and useually they don't) Mellow .

Wat was done?

The frame work has been completed. Again its made out of plywood and a sturdy ladder framework. Glued together this makes a very strong base. The sections are made out of two layers of 4mm plywood. again glued together.

Results are shown below.

The dimensions of this helix are 145 cm * 102 cm, 3 round, innercircle K track 2231 and outer + 64.6 mm. This makes it a litle bit smaller than helix I, but to keep the gradient in proportions, I've extended the circle with 27 cm straight sections, making it an oval.

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Things are really getting shape and form now. Im looking forward to the next fase: putting together the hidden stations!Razz

Edited by user 15 June 2010 20:38:11(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Offline Rinus  
#33 Posted : 15 June 2010 20:44:00(UTC)
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The 2nd helix was completed yesterday! This completes the framework stage. Razz Razz Maybe I'll reward myself with a nice new loco laterThumpUp

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I've also started to lay the track on helix no.1. I've got to lay the track and possition it very accurately in order to the get right location for the cork trackbed. The margins are very tight, only 5 mm, so I think this will consume a lot of time.

Rinus
Offline steventrain  
#34 Posted : 15 June 2010 21:20:40(UTC)
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Great process, Keep posted!
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Offline Ian555  
#35 Posted : 15 June 2010 21:29:59(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great looking framework. ThumpUp

Ian.
Offline Rinus  
#36 Posted : 05 July 2010 11:59:47(UTC)
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Update!

I've been strugling with the flex rail this weekend and it has been quite a fight. Tree pairs of hands would have been helpfull. With one pair it was really a challange to a) keep the flexrail in position, B) join the flexrail together, C) keep the powersupply connected to the flexrail, D) fit a railshoe tot the flexrail which has been cut, E) prevent the rail from crawling back after it has been connected, F) make sure the powersupply suplies both connected flexrail.

Somehow I managed to do 9 flexrail (3 windings of my helix), which took me all weekend.

Its was one of these moments that I regret I haven't chosen DC instead of AC.

Some learning points:
- solder the powersupply shoe to one of the flexrail before trying to connect the two flexrail together. This will prevent it from getting disconnected in the proces. It will save time and frustration.
- solder a wire tot the smal frame which has to be connected to the flexrail which has been shortend. You'll be able to get some power to this frame as well by this, minimizing the risk the powershoe does not transfer the power from one flexrail to the other.
- widen the railshoe to be connected to the shortend felxrail a little bit before you put it in place. It wont fit easy otherwhise.
- make sure you'll have your tools within reach each time. You do not have time to search for them while strugling with the flexrail.
- fasten the joints of the two seperate flexrail with "krause klammern" it will prevent the rail of both frexrail to disconnect while bending it into the right curve.

I'm now waiting for the next Lokshop shipment or flexrail to arrive. I've to do another 15 of them :-(

Rinus
Offline river6109  
#37 Posted : 05 July 2010 12:34:17(UTC)
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Rinus wrote:
Update!

I've been strugling with the flex rail this weekend and it has been quite a fight. Tree pairs of hands would have been helpfull. With one pair it was really a challange to a) keep the flexrail in position, B) join the flexrail together, C) keep the powersupply connected to the flexrail, D) fit a railshoe tot the flexrail which has been cut, E) prevent the rail from crawling back after it has been connected, F) make sure the powersupply suplies both connected flexrail.

Somehow I managed to do 9 flexrail (3 windings of my helix), which took me all weekend.

Its was one of these moments that I regret I haven't chosen DC instead of AC.

Some learning points:
- solder the powersupply shoe to one of the flexrail before trying to connect the two flexrail together. This will prevent it from getting disconnected in the proces. It will save time and frustration.
- solder a wire tot the smal frame which has to be connected to the flexrail which has been shortend. You'll be able to get some power to this frame as well by this, minimizing the risk the powershoe does not transfer the power from one flexrail to the other.
- widen the railshoe to be connected to the shortend felxrail a little bit before you put it in place. It wont fit easy otherwhise.
- make sure you'll have your tools within reach each time. You do not have time to search for them while strugling with the flexrail.
- fasten the joints of the two seperate flexrail with "krause klammern" it will prevent the rail of both frexrail to disconnect while bending it into the right curve.

I'm now waiting for the next Lokshop shipment or flexrail to arrive. I've to do another 15 of them :-(

Rinus


Rinus,
there are clamps you can buy, don't ask me where, I've got 3 of them, 1 at the end, 1 at the front and one in the midddle.
It clamps both rails together with a hexonal screw, nuch easier to wirk with.
Ask lokshop for these clamps, they should know how to to obtain them.

John


Edited by user 05 July 2010 15:34:02(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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Offline Rinus  
#38 Posted : 05 July 2010 20:45:14(UTC)
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I've got the clams. I couldn't refuse the advise the allmighty webmaster gave me in another treadUnsure Unsure

The clams tend to bend the rail inwards when fastend tight. Also they are likely to come loose whenever the track is raised in order to commect it to another track. They are certainly not ideal.

Rinus
Offline kimballthurlow  
#39 Posted : 06 July 2010 00:39:58(UTC)
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Very nice setup Rinus, and very neat .
It should make for a really operateable layout.
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Offline Rinus  
#40 Posted : 07 July 2010 09:00:40(UTC)
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Thank you Kimbal! I''m really trying to make it as neat as possible. My experience with my previous lay-outs is that many small imperfections result in one very unreliable lay-out. Therefore I'm giving much attention to allignment, robustness, testing and the quality of the components. Also I've promissed myself not to start a new fase unless the previous step is completed and tested completely. So far its seems to work out fine.

Couldn't resist to do a little testing of the helix yesterday. The results where very good. Even with one point of power supply, the train was able to do the complete part of the helix which I worked on this weekend flawless. Imagine when there is a point of powersupply every 90 cm!

I'll post some pictures when I complete the helix.

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#41 Posted : 25 July 2010 15:19:44(UTC)
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Allthough both helix aren't ready yet, I want to show the progress being made.

What has been done in the month july:
1. a cork railbed has been laid down (helix 1 and 2)
2. track has been laid, positioned, tested and fixed (helix 1 and 2)
3. power supply to helix 1 has been made
4. cork bedding for hidden station# 2 has been made
5. I've been experimenting with multiple plans for the hidden station

Not bad considering the WK tournament and some back problems keeping me from working on my lay-out! Razz

Some pictures going from one end of the lay out (helix 1) to the other end (helix 2)!

Helix 1 with my test train. Helix one will take the trains from hidden yard 1 to the main level in 6 turns.
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Helix 1 power suply has been soldered for improved reliability, but does needs to be organised.
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Going from helix 1 to the corner of the lay-out where the famous 'St Jodok bend' will be made on the upper level which is not yet visible
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Part between the St Jodok bend and the future station of Matrei
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Hidden station 2 with cork and and some switches on top of which station Matrei will be build in segments
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Corner were the station Matrei leads to helix # 2. Helix 2 will take the train to hidden yard 2 in 3 turns.
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Feel free to comment! I could use some tips how to allign all track in the hidden station, which are modulles like the rest. The tracks will thus be cut. I'm wondering that if I do this how I keep them alligned.

Kind regards,

Rinus

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#42 Posted : 25 July 2010 18:46:57(UTC)
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Look very good.
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#43 Posted : 25 July 2010 18:47:58(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Very neat and tidy, just how I like it. ThumpUp

I hope your back problems are on the mend.

Will follow your progress at the layout closely. (keep the photo's coming.Smile )

Ian.
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#44 Posted : 26 July 2010 09:01:57(UTC)
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Thank you, will do that!
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#45 Posted : 24 August 2010 20:55:14(UTC)
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Short update.

I've been working very hard on the wiring of both helix 1 & 2. No spectacular photo's, but I'll show them anyway.

Both helix are powered though a 0,75 mm2 thick ring wire. I'm especially proud on my solution to prevent a spagetti effect. See the pictures for this.

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With the helix powered and tested I'm gradually working my way to the lowest hidden yard. The connection of the helix module to the frame proved difficult. Hight differences m9ght cause derailments in the future. I dealt with this by making an adjustable (in height) transition. This too took some time but the effect is great. I took my most sensitive train and tested it. All went well. I'm now busy with laying cork (sound absorption) and track. I'm using a laser in order to place the track as straight as possible.

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In between im thinking about the plan of my hidden yard. There is an option of 11 tracks or a smaller one with 8 tracks. The fits is more expensive, but provides more room for trains. The smaller variant can only house 8 trains but since the hidden yard is build on segments it will probably be easier to build. You see'Im a bit worried if I'll be able to minimise the tolerances between the segments that much that it will cause no problems for the 11 or 8 tracks above to fit with minimal differences in height.

Feel free to comment or to suggest improvements.

Regards,

Rinus
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#46 Posted : 24 August 2010 21:21:02(UTC)
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Hi Rinus, looks great and there was so much work on that framework, wow! I don't think that you have made an error in AC over DC. I had DC before Marklin AC and would never ever go back! Cheers, PeterSmile
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#47 Posted : 24 August 2010 21:24:49(UTC)
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petestra wrote:
Hi Rinus, looks great and there was so much work on that framework, wow! I don't think that you have made an error in AC over DC. I had DC before Marklin AC and would never ever go back! Cheers, PeterSmile


Thanks Peter!

I'm quite sure about that. There is so much more choice in DC (track, rolling stock) at often better prices. Problem is, I've got quite a lot of rolling stock and track, all AC. It would be much too expensive to change.

Regards,

Rinus
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#48 Posted : 25 August 2010 00:17:11(UTC)
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Rinus wrote:
petestra wrote:
Hi Rinus, looks great and there was so much work on that framework, wow! I don't think that you have made an error in AC over DC. I had DC before Marklin AC and would never ever go back! Cheers, PeterSmile


Thanks Peter!

I'm quite sure about that. There is so much more choice in DC (track, rolling stock) at often better prices. Problem is, I've got quite a lot of rolling stock and track, all AC. It would be much too expensive to change.

Regards,

Rinus

Not too much problems in running DC Rolling Stock, may have to regauge the wheels or a drastic thing to do is change wheel setc. but usually niot necessaty.
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#49 Posted : 25 August 2010 08:31:47(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Very tidy work. ThumpUp

Ian.
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#50 Posted : 25 August 2010 12:41:34(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,
I agree with Ian, very nice work.

I know you are using cork for sound absorbtion but do you notice any resonance by using metal?
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#51 Posted : 25 August 2010 14:45:55(UTC)
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Looks very good.

I see you have no saftety measurements on the helix and you tracks just fit on the ramps. Not afraid of falling trains when, or if, a derailment happens.
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#52 Posted : 25 August 2010 19:09:45(UTC)
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Good evening gentlemen,

Thanks for you comments.

@@ Lord Macca: I havent been able to test the absorption of noice or the prevention of resonance yet. However I dont expect it to appear. The 4 mm cork will take away a lot of vibrations. Furtermore the wooden segments, which are made quite robust, will do their bit too. Besides that the track is glued and not screwed on the cork. Finally the frame is glued together for the larger part. Glue does not transport vibrations like srews and bolted connections.

Will vibrations get through I've gort the option to place rubber rings between the few bolts left and fit rubber shoes underneath the framework.

If all goes well I hope to be able to do some testing of the segmenst this weekend and we will see.

@@ Piet: there will be some safety measures. Allthough the allignement of the track is good, there can allways be something unforeseen that will cause a derailment (for instance my cat). I'm thinking of making some sort of safety fence after I've placed the catenary in the helix.

Question to all: would you place the ringwire in the hidden yard between the tracks or under the surface?

Regards,

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#53 Posted : 25 August 2010 19:14:03(UTC)
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nevw wrote:
Rinus wrote:
petestra wrote:
Hi Rinus, looks great and there was so much work on that framework, wow! I don't think that you have made an error in AC over DC. I had DC before Marklin AC and would never ever go back! Cheers, PeterSmile


Thanks Peter!

I'm quite sure about that. There is so much more choice in DC (track, rolling stock) at often better prices. Problem is, I've got quite a lot of rolling stock and track, all AC. It would be much too expensive to change.

Regards,

Rinus

Not too much problems in running DC Rolling Stock, may have to regauge the wheels or a drastic thing to do is change wheel setc. but usually niot necessaty.


Sorry. With rolling stock I meant trains and locomotives not carriages. My mistake.

In fact I have quite a lot carriages and coaches from Brawa, ACME and Roco. Simply chance the wheels.

Still I regret the fact that Peco and Roco etc don't offer AC track. Those sleek switches and concrete sleeper track are very very nice.

Regards
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#54 Posted : 29 August 2010 12:23:39(UTC)
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The overhead system in the helix will be build as follows:

Plan is to take a metal strip, bend it in the right radius, position it with and glue it above the track.

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Regards,

Rinus
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#55 Posted : 12 September 2010 20:04:21(UTC)
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Hi there! Time for an update!

Work has been done on the overhead system in helix # 1. How? Simple: take a alluminum strip, bend it in the right radius, glue it above the track, allign it, fasten it for 24 hours and done! Cheap and simple.

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During the drying of the overhead system, I also found time to build the first hidden yard. Since I only have a plan of the lay out in my head and not from a programm, tis involved a little puzzling. I've chosen to build two 13 track yards. Each with a lenght of +/- 350 cm. Without switches this will result in a useable lenght of 250 cm per track. Razz Razz . I spent quite some effort in keeping the tracks alligned nicely, and this is the result. All was alligned with a laser and fastend with hot glue. Its not fully completed, since I have to order some extra track (2200's).

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Its difficult to oversee the entire lay-out. But to give you an idea of the dimensions: after completing both helix 1 and 2 and hidden yard 1, I've used all the track of my prevuous lay-out!

Have fun,

Rinus
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#56 Posted : 14 September 2010 05:55:17(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great looking work. ThumpUp

Plenty space for parking long trains.

Ian.
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#57 Posted : 14 September 2010 19:56:58(UTC)
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Ian555 wrote:
Hi Rinus,

Great looking work. ThumpUp

Plenty space for parking long trains.

Ian.


Yup, up to 230 cm!

I learnt that because of the steep parts of the Brennerbahn and the limitations of the couplers, the train lenghts in real-life aren't that long as one would think.

For instance a RH 1020 (the austrain equivalent of a German Gator or BD 194/E94) could only manage to pull 550 t. A modern Taurus 650 t.

For this reason they use a lot of double or even triple (2 pull, 1 push) combinations to pull 1300 t trains uphill!

Over here two Taurus locs are needed to pull a 7 couch train.

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And here at least two Rh1044 pull a RoLA train.

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Imagine the posibilities on my lay-out Razz Razz !

Regards,

Rinus
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#58 Posted : 15 September 2010 00:24:00(UTC)
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Great photos ,Rinus. Will you have a chance to post more?

regards

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Offline Rinus  
#59 Posted : 22 September 2010 21:39:59(UTC)
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A short video. It captures the testing of the hidden yard last month.

MOVIE

My ALn 442 and a E40 are to be seen as well as my inspector.

Interesting to hear is the noice produced by the old coffee grinder (5 star marklin engine) and the Roco.

More videos will follow.

Regards,

Rinus

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#60 Posted : 22 September 2010 21:44:31(UTC)
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Very good, Rinus. ThumpUp

For a minute I thought the E40 was going to hit the railcar rather hard! Scared
Ray

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#61 Posted : 23 September 2010 00:52:31(UTC)
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Rinus wrote:
In fact I have quite a lot carriages and coaches from Brawa, ACME and Roco. Simply chance the wheels.

Still I regret the fact that Peco and Roco etc don't offer AC track. Those sleek switches and concrete sleeper track are very very nice.

Regards


RInus, missed this before BUT you can get centre contacts strips for Peco track.
There area few posts on the forum regarding this. also making peco switches into 3 rail ones.

Nev
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Offline Rinus  
#62 Posted : 24 September 2010 10:25:51(UTC)
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RayPayas wrote:
Very good, Rinus. ThumpUp

For a minute I thought the E40 was going to hit the railcar rather hard! Scared


LOL LOL It would have, if I hadn't made an emergency stop! That would have been 1-0 for the metal E40 vs the ALn 442/448. Crying Cursing
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#63 Posted : 24 September 2010 10:27:59(UTC)
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nevw wrote:
Rinus wrote:
In fact I have quite a lot carriages and coaches from Brawa, ACME and Roco. Simply chance the wheels.

Still I regret the fact that Peco and Roco etc don't offer AC track. Those sleek switches and concrete sleeper track are very very nice.

Regards


RInus, missed this before BUT you can get centre contacts strips for Peco track.
There area few posts on the forum regarding this. also making peco switches into 3 rail ones.

Nev


Hi Nev,

Yes so I have read too. But I wasn't able to find the paticular items on the Peco website.

Regards,

Rinus
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#64 Posted : 24 September 2010 11:51:10(UTC)
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Rinus wrote:
nevw wrote:
Rinus wrote:
In fact I have quite a lot carriages and coaches from Brawa, ACME and Roco. Simply chance the wheels.

Still I regret the fact that Peco and Roco etc don't offer AC track. Those sleek switches and concrete sleeper track are very very nice.

Regards


RInus, missed this before BUT you can get centre contacts strips for Peco track.
There area few posts on the forum regarding this. also making peco switches into 3 rail ones.

Nev


Hi Nev,

Yes so I have read too. But I wasn't able to find the paticular items on the Peco website.

Regards,

Rinus

A few firms make the strips. I will get the part numer and maker for you.

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Offline Marty  
#65 Posted : 24 September 2010 14:26:58(UTC)
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Rinus,

Thanks for posting these updates. I enjoy following your progress. Cool
Marty
Offline nevw  
#66 Posted : 24 September 2010 23:54:07(UTC)
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Update on the centre rail bit for Peco track.
I am still waiting for that BUT there is a topic or two in past years in the forum.
If you search Peco you should find it.

N
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#67 Posted : 25 September 2010 01:10:52(UTC)
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Got it the Peco Part number is:

PSL 17 - stud contact.
also Erbert??or Ebberert Engineering make a stud contact strip.

If you search topics and use Peco there are some topics about april/may 2010 and also 2009

NN

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#68 Posted : 10 October 2010 10:55:11(UTC)
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Update!

Done a lot of testing last month. Apart from the catanary coming down (wrong glue) there were no problems. I'll be doing some installation work next month, before beginning on hidden yard # 2.

And we have a new visitor! The Rh 1012 arrived. What a machine!

Overview
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Transaction between helix and hidden yard
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Lissy components
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New visitor
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Regards,

Rinus
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#69 Posted : 03 February 2011 01:23:25(UTC)
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Rinus,

Been some time how are you progressing?


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#70 Posted : 06 March 2011 11:11:29(UTC)
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#71 Posted : 06 March 2011 11:20:50(UTC)
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Excellent videos.ThumpUp

I see the cat tail.Wink
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#72 Posted : 06 March 2011 11:27:25(UTC)
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Well done, Rinus! Did you cut the metal works yourself for those Helixes or were they bought that way? I couldn't help but chuckle at kitty's tail in the second video.
Cheers,PeterThumpUp
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#73 Posted : 06 March 2011 11:42:06(UTC)
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Nice work! ThumpUp
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Offline Rinus  
#74 Posted : 06 March 2011 13:22:26(UTC)
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Thanks all!

Originally Posted by: petestra Go to Quoted Post
Well done, Rinus! Did you cut the metal works yourself for those Helixes or were they bought that way? I couldn't help but chuckle at kitty's tail in the second video.
Cheers,PeterThumpUp


I've build them myself as can be seen from post #18 and onwards of this tread.

Our cat is very interested in the trains. Especially those with sound.

I'd love to begin on the upper works of the lay-out, which will feature the station and the main line. However we are planning to move houses, so I'll have to be patient and wait untill then.

Regards,

Rinus
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#75 Posted : 06 March 2011 22:10:36(UTC)
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Thanks for posting the videos. It looks like the catenary in the helix is really working out well.
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#76 Posted : 07 March 2011 17:25:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Marty Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for posting the videos. It looks like the catenary in the helix is really working out well.


Yes and at a cost of € 2,00 per meter for the strip and some glue, much less expensive than the catenary sysems for tunnels sold by most manufacturers like viessman and faller. LOL LOL LOL

Regards,

rinus
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#77 Posted : 18 September 2011 16:47:39(UTC)
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So we have finally moved over to our new house!

The old train room measured 3.6x3.6m. The new one is 5x5m! I'll extend the old lay out with 1m in lenght and 0.5m in dept and keep some room left to enable myself to walk around te layout.

I've started to asemble the layout. Some pictures of the chaos...

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Enjoy!

Rinus
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#78 Posted : 18 September 2011 17:48:51(UTC)
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Thanks for the update.

I hope you move was uneventful and nothing was broken.

I've lost count on the number of moves I made while flying in the USAF.

Robert
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#79 Posted : 18 September 2011 18:03:23(UTC)
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It will surely be a winner. Enjoy building.PeterThumpUp Smile
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#80 Posted : 19 September 2011 19:07:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Loadmaster Go to Quoted Post

Thanks for the update.

I hope you move was uneventful and nothing was broken.

I've lost count on the number of moves I made while flying in the USAF.

Robert


2nd time we were moving. Glad we decided to. The new place is great, the surroundings very interesting (we now live very near the place where the Market Garden airborne landings took place in WWII) and is saves me two hours of traveling to work a day.

The helix was to large to be moved down the stairway and had to be cut in 4 pieces. The rest went ok. Hope to get things rolling soon!

Bye!

Rinus
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#81 Posted : 19 September 2011 21:27:53(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Hope your layout reassembles without too many hitches.

So you still live in the Netherlands?

regards
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#82 Posted : 19 September 2011 22:51:34(UTC)
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Great Move.
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#83 Posted : 20 September 2011 15:20:32(UTC)
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Rinus,

I was just thinking about you the other day, I haven't seen any pictures or new locos.

I've added 2 new ÖBB locos to my collection: 68 646 ÖBB Rh 1245 and Rh 2043 both with sound.

Your new train room looks just the right size.

John

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Offline Rinus  
#84 Posted : 21 September 2011 19:09:23(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: river6109 Go to Quoted Post
Rinus,

I was just thinking about you the other day, I haven't seen any pictures or new locos.

I've added 2 new ÖBB locos to my collection: 68 646 ÖBB Rh 1245 and Rh 2043 both with sound.

Your new train room looks just the right size.

John


Have been very busy doing some large renovations on our new house. Its like a big lay-out: there are allways things to do and money to spend on.

No new loco's for me anymore this year, except for a Rh1044 which is on order. My bank account is in a "financial crisis".

You've got the Rh2043 finally? Great move. Orange one?



Bye,

Rinus

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Offline Rinus  
#85 Posted : 02 October 2011 10:28:18(UTC)
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Some pictures of the reconstruction. Repaired helix #2. Repairs on helix #1 continue.

Got the main section extended with 1 m to a length of 4,4 m. Also fitted the topsection segments.

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Groet,

Rinus
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#86 Posted : 02 October 2011 14:35:46(UTC)
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Nice photos Rinus. It's going to be super! Cheers,PeterThumpUp
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#87 Posted : 20 November 2011 22:37:21(UTC)
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Small update;

I've been working on the extention this weekend. The cork bedding arrived and put on the modules. Unfortunately this could not be said of the flex rail 2205 I ordered on ebay a week ago. The selled admitted he forgot to post the package Cursing Cursing Cursing Cursing Cursing .

Hopefully its there next weekend, so I can complete the extention and start working on the top level.

Regards,

Rinus
Offline FMS  
#88 Posted : 20 November 2011 23:38:55(UTC)
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Rinus, great train room! Smile
The layout starts to look great!Smile

Don't you have humidity problems being so close to water? I try to keep humidity away from trains, that's why i ask.
Regards
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Offline Rinus  
#89 Posted : 21 November 2011 21:11:10(UTC)
Rinus


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Thank you!

The water? That was in our old house. Were living in the forest now. Never experienced humidity problems though. I hope to keep it that way. BigGrin

Rinus
Offline river6109  
#90 Posted : 22 November 2011 00:44:26(UTC)
river6109

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Rinus,

Looks very promising.

Don't you hate this, you buy something, roughly calculate the delivery time and than you find out it hasn't left the sellers address as yet.

Do you have any roof sprinklers installed ?

John
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Offline Rinus  
#91 Posted : 23 November 2011 11:11:19(UTC)
Rinus


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Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands
Hi John,

No, sprinklers won't be installed. Do you have that in your houses in Australia? Its very uncommon here. I will install a smoke detection and C02 detection soon, however. I still have a long list of things to do in our new house Laugh .

I hope to find some time to seriously work on the lay-out though, since I miss the driving with my trains.

Regarding the ebay seller: its the first time this happens to me. Unfortunately I havent received an update from him again since he admitted he had not sent the parcel yet. Makes me wonder. I ordered 14 2205 flexrail and 4 2290 rail, which I need for the extention of mu hidden yard.

I also ordered 20 x 2290 from another seller in germany, which were shipped yesterday.

Regards,

Rinus
Offline Rinus  
#92 Posted : 27 November 2011 19:38:41(UTC)
Rinus


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This weekend I was able to work on the extension of the hidden yard.

Pictures:

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Next week, I hope to work on the wiring.

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#93 Posted : 28 November 2011 08:51:17(UTC)
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Hi Rinus,

Great progress on the layout. ThumpUp

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#94 Posted : 04 January 2012 20:43:30(UTC)
Rinus


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Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands
Finally!

I got it back togeter working again after moving houses! Cool Cool Cool

I've tested it this evening and my old railcar gave a positive light!

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I can now finally continue with the upper level!

Regards,

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#95 Posted : 04 January 2012 20:52:17(UTC)
Ian555

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Hi Rinus,

Congratulations. ThumpUp

Great looking work.

Ian.

Offline Rinus  
#96 Posted : 04 January 2012 21:18:25(UTC)
Rinus


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Thanks Ian!

Nothing more relaxing tahn working on my lay-out.
Offline Rinus  
#97 Posted : 06 January 2012 22:52:08(UTC)
Rinus


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Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands
Today I worked on the station section of the upper level.

I picture to make 'Steinach in Tirol'. Allthough I have 4,60m at my disposal, I have to make sacrifices on scale. Therefore I plan the first switch sections in a curve which will not be visible. This will save space and will allow me (hopefully) to give the rest of the station sufficient space.

Here is a picture of the Steinach in Tirols plan. I'll make it upside down, that is Gries (Gr) to the left and Matrei (M) to the right.

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With special thanks to www.sporenplan.nl

First steps:

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To be continued ...

Regards,

Rinus
Offline river6109  
#98 Posted : 06 January 2012 23:21:09(UTC)
river6109

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Location: On 1965 Märklin Boulevard just around from Roco Square
Rinus,
What a progress in such a short time.

One thing, make sure your board is not too thick in case you intend to use under the board turnout mechanism.

John
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Offline Rinus  
#99 Posted : 07 January 2012 08:38:51(UTC)
Rinus


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Location: Wageningen, The Netherlands
Hi John,

What is maximum in your opinion? I'm now using 9 mm.

Bye,

Rinus
Offline Ian555  
#100 Posted : 07 January 2012 09:29:39(UTC)
Ian555

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Location: Scotland
Hi Rinus,

Great to see the layout taking shape. ThumpUp

Ian.

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