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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#1 Posted : 25 February 2007 10:31:52(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Well, I've been blathering on on this forum for a few months now, so I figured it is time to post a bit of info about my layout, such as it is.

Firstly, I'll start off with a track plan.......made from good old M Track.

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Anyone ever seen this before, and can you tell me where?

Size is 3.4m at the top, 2.4m on the right hand side, 1.5m on the left, and the bridge approach end is 1.2m

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Offline bellejt  
#2 Posted : 25 February 2007 10:38:51(UTC)
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this looks like a Marklin plan from the years 70 .I schould look into my old catalogues to find it.
Greetings,salutations,groeten
Offline svgeorgiad  
#3 Posted : 25 February 2007 11:00:20(UTC)
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David,

This is great! Have you thought about incorporating a turntable? It seems that you have enough space!
Symeon Georgiadis
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#4 Posted : 25 February 2007 11:01:07(UTC)
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You're very close Johnny, in fact it is from the 1971 catalogue. It has been made slightly larger to fit into the available space.

1970 and 1971 were the only times, IMHO, that Marklin ever published a decent track plan in the catalogue. I wish they would still do this!!
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 25 February 2007 11:06:26(UTC)
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Symeon, yes I have thought about a turntable, and am busy putting aside some $$ for one (probably about $650 here), although I'm not sure where it would go....maybe over in the right hand yard. I have drawn up some extensions to this layout, which incorporates a turntable, but as things are right now, I do not have the space to make the extensions. If folks are interested I can post the extension drawings as well..........flights of fantasy never hurt, eh?? biggrin, and we should always be prepared.....biggrin, plus it was a good exercise in learning how to use WinTrack.
Offline bellejt  
#6 Posted : 25 February 2007 12:24:24(UTC)
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Maybe the turntable would fit in the upper right corner instaed off the 3 way switch.
Greetings,salutations,groeten
Offline hxmiesa  
#7 Posted : 25 February 2007 13:59:51(UTC)
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I have that catalog! ;-)
I like very much how they show the evolution of the "familys" railroad hobby and the constructiuon of the layout.

How about some photos? ;-)
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
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Offline nevw  
#8 Posted : 25 February 2007 22:47:50(UTC)
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Pickies, Pickies.

Very Nice, wish I had that much room.
Nev
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#9 Posted : 26 February 2007 01:51:49(UTC)
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Will post some piccies when I get home, including some of the original that appeared in the '71 catalogue.

As for the room, well it is set up in the smallest room in the house, which is all that I'm allowed..........[V][V]
Offline bmcrae  
#10 Posted : 26 February 2007 03:02:15(UTC)
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I like the track plan David. Smile
Looking forward to seeing some pics.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 26 February 2007 11:02:36(UTC)
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Firstly, here's some piccies from the '71 catalogue as to how things should look like......[:I][:I]

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The original track plan.


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As Hendrik says in his post, you can see some pictures of how the family built the layout.

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Offline hxmiesa  
#12 Posted : 26 February 2007 18:19:08(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
As Hendrik says in his post, you can see some pictures of how the family built the layout.


It´s more than that!
(Speaking from vague memory) they start out with a small starter set, then gradually add to it.
Then they go to visit a large exposition layout (K-track, of course! ;-) -and THEN they settle out to plan their ultimative layout at home (yes, the one in the photos). Dad makes the planning, the kids looks over his shoulder ;-)
Finally they build it, as shown on the photos.
In between they also enjoy assembling their own waggons and locos from original kits (a thing I miss in the current catalogue)

Maybe somebody could do a complete scan of this story?

...Still holding my breath for some photos of Bigdaddynz's REAL layout! ;-)
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
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Offline steventrain  
#13 Posted : 26 February 2007 18:19:39(UTC)
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Good trackplan,There was M tracks.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#14 Posted : 26 February 2007 20:35:15(UTC)
Bigdaddynz

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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa
Maybe somebody could do a complete scan of this story?

...Still holding my breath for some photos of Bigdaddynz's REAL layout! ;-)


As usual Hendrik, your comments are spot on.

I have the complete catalog in PDF format, so can post more pages if you wish.

I got home too late last night to be able to post piccies of the layout, so will attempt to do that tonight.....
Offline huttel  
#15 Posted : 26 February 2007 22:52:35(UTC)
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Hi all,

I very well remember this layout. Remember I as a boy dreamed that one day I would be able to build it. Sat down and figured out what I needed and thought it would never be possible...a fortune it would cost me. Back in memory lane...

I would love to see more tracplans like this in the new magazines...and also to see pics from your layout.

//Thomas
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#16 Posted : 27 February 2007 03:01:24(UTC)
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Seems to me from the comments here that this particular layout has inspired a number of people in the Marklin hobby. I can relate to Thomas' comments, as I had exactly the same dreams about this layout that he had. So, in a way building this layout is a boyhood dream come true.

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Every good layout needs a well built baseboard......

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This is going to be a tight fit..........what you see here is the baseboard for the bridge and right hand yard area.

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The backboard is attached



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Time to play......


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Ramps and bridges are installed. The bridge pillars were made by glueing 2 pieces of 18mm MDF board together, then cut to size and painted. The pillars were put through a router with a 10mm bullnose bit to give the rounded edges.

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The lights at the end of the tunnel............no, it's a V200!!


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The 2nd module goes in. Boy, is this a tight fit or what?? Getting this all out will be a worry. And, getting it down the stairs will be a bigger worry.....

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Offline bmcrae  
#17 Posted : 27 February 2007 07:02:46(UTC)
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Thanks David! I am looking forward to following your progress.
There really is something magical about those 'old school' layouts! [:p]
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#18 Posted : 27 February 2007 08:13:46(UTC)
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Thanks for your kind words Brian. The layout may be 'old school' in terms of the design and track type used, but it is fully digital.


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Here are the tracks going down

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Hey, that V200 is going the 'wrong' way..... I initially ran the layout in the NZ / Aussie / UK way with trains travelling on the left hand track. Everything nows runs in the 'correct' European way, on the right hand track. The 6021 has since been replaced by a Central Station.

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Sometimes you just have to play.......

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Since these photos were taken (over a year ago) I have:
- Replaced a lot of the older M Track with new track I was able to purchase at a very good price. I was having trouble with some locos derailing, including the red BR185 you see in these pictures. Installing new track has fixed that.

- Installed Catenary

- Installed Station platforms

- Wired up turnouts with Viessmann 5211 decoders

- Sorted out some of the gradients, which were also causing derailments.

- Rewired parts of the layout with a better wiring loom that what I was using.

- Started installing some Viessmann 4013 light signals.

I don't have any later pictures than these, but I guess I need to take some more - after I track down where all the rechargable batteries for the camera have gone..... Let me think..... 2 kids with MP3 players, Cameras and Walkman CD players.......where have the batteries gone???.....and I'm left with the ones that only seem to last for about 4 shots...... I wonder why....[:(!][:(][:I][:I]

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Offline foumaro  
#19 Posted : 27 February 2007 08:50:13(UTC)
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Kids.That is enough.biggrin
Offline hxmiesa  
#20 Posted : 27 February 2007 09:34:39(UTC)
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Thanks for the photos. Very nice! ;-)
Best regards
Henrik Hoexbroe ("The Dane In Spain")
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Offline widianto  
#21 Posted : 27 February 2007 10:07:27(UTC)
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Nice..Thanks for the picturesbiggrin
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Offline Rowan  
#22 Posted : 27 February 2007 20:25:16(UTC)
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AB FAB !
What an absolutely splendid layout you have put together David.
Most impressive cobber.So how long did it take you to get up to the stage you have showed us with your piccys?(nice piccys}
There was definetley "something" about those layout photos they put in the old catalouges.
I used too go back again and again to the layout piccys in those cats.
You keep up the good work mate.
I can see you are getting a lot of requests for more piccys.
No hurry mate....
. ...... any time in the next ten minutes is cool.
Look foward to following your thread.
Smile
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Offline nevw  
#23 Posted : 27 February 2007 22:11:09(UTC)
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Very Good. {Envy Mode off]

Nev
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Offline cjh26  
#24 Posted : 28 February 2007 02:10:54(UTC)
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Nice Job ! Well Done please keep the pics coming
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Offline steventrain  
#25 Posted : 28 February 2007 14:37:22(UTC)
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Excellent Job,thanks for sharing the pictures.Smile
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Offline jonquinn  
#26 Posted : 28 February 2007 14:44:20(UTC)
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why is it that everyone else around the world has nice knot-free and straight lumber and plywood, and we get the seconds or thirds?
I would have to buy and mill my own boards to get anything comparable. Its just not possible to find anything good at the HD or Lowes superstores. The oak plywood they sell (most of the time) is even junk (from china mostly) - and I don't think it is even oak, at least not american red or white oak.

the old marklin catalogs were much better done as far as showcasing the models and what you can do with them than the catalogs of the past 10-15 years. I think it was back then the people that worked for the company truly had a passion for model railroads and the things they built. Lately it has been run by professional managers, and to them there is no difference between a cordless drill and a train.
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Offline rschaffr  
#27 Posted : 28 February 2007 15:25:39(UTC)
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So true, Jon. David: Beautiful work. Keep it up, and keep the pictures coming. I had actually planned to build my era III layout with M track but my wife convinced me to try C. C is easy to work with and fits together nice, but lacks the nostalgia value of M. I probably should sell off my M track, but I hate to part with it. I use some when the spirit moves me to set up a carpet bahn and run my analog loks.
-Ron
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Offline Charlie  
#28 Posted : 28 February 2007 15:31:54(UTC)
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Great pictures, very inspiring. That will be one full layout! [:p]

Charlie
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Offline RayF  
#29 Posted : 28 February 2007 15:59:06(UTC)
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Very nice! I love the look of M track for its nostalgia value. I'm thinking of changing to C track for my new layout, though. It's much easier to put together.

Ray
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#30 Posted : 01 March 2007 07:21:10(UTC)
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Thanks for the kind words guys, much appreciated. I stuck with M Track because it was what I had, and it was going to cost too much to replace everything with C Track. If I ever get the space to expand the layout, that will be done in C Track.

Jon, I'm using good New Zealand grown pine timber (shameless plug here), I think it is 90mm x 18mm, from memory. The baseboard is not plywood, but 6mm Medium Density Fibreboard (MDF). Basically MDF is made from a mixture of glue and sawdust under high pressure. It's good to work with, just don't get it wet, otherwise it delaminates and goes all soggy. Costs for the pine is about $4.50 a metre, and for the MDF about $25 per 2.4m x 1.2m sheet (8' x 4'). Here's some blurb for those of you interested in finding out more about MDF - http://www.merbok.com/mdfoverview/whatis.htm
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#31 Posted : 02 March 2007 10:43:02(UTC)
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Well I had a bit of a clean up, found some batteries, and have taken some new pictures.

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To Do's:

- Finish Catenary
- Finish wiring up signals
- Install remaining 2 station platforms. A wee Gotcha here......I was
only able to buy 6 platforms at the time I purchased them, and have
had to wait for more to come into the country. The new ones have
grey roofs..... I managed to find some orange paint in a spray can
that closely matches the existing, but I'm going to have to mask
everything up and paint the existing ones so that everything
matches. Talk about Murphy's Law......

- Wire up lights
- Build Tunnels and hills
- Think about scenery, etc
- Play trains

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Offline fvri  
#32 Posted : 02 March 2007 11:22:37(UTC)
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Hi David,

A very nice layout, nice work in progress. A lot of possibilities for scenery. I always find it very attractive if brigdes and tunnels are involved.
Keep up the good work and enjoy playing trains...

Frank.
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Offline hxmiesa  
#33 Posted : 02 March 2007 13:21:55(UTC)
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I especially like the second-last pic!
Nice view, and good work on the caternary. What brand masts are you using? (Electrotren?)

Suggestion; Personally I dont like the orange platform-roofs. Why dont you paint them all grey, when you get the new ones?

BTW; How did the V200 get there? (hehe)
Best regards
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Offline steventrain  
#34 Posted : 02 March 2007 13:31:45(UTC)
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Very good tidy and clean.
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Offline Mats P  
#35 Posted : 02 March 2007 16:56:43(UTC)
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Wow!!! This was my first dream layout I had being a nine years old boy reading the Märklin catalogue from page to page in bed before falling in sleep.I really wish you good luck of making my,and of course your,dream come true.Keep up the good work!

Regards

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Offline huttel  
#36 Posted : 02 March 2007 21:28:21(UTC)
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Hi all

Couldn't help myself Cool

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Adapted layout with C-track and R2/R3 curves instead of R1/R2.

//Thomas
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#37 Posted : 02 March 2007 23:33:03(UTC)
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Hey Thomas, you must have been reading my mind. I'd been thinking that if I ever had the space, money and time, I could rebuild this layout in C Track, and incorporate the larger R2 and R3 curves. The only problem would be the bridge approaches, as M don't make curved bridge units for R3. However, they could easily be made, using some ply or MDF, and a jigsaw and a router. Unfortunately, your revamp, at 3.7m won't fit in the room that the layout is currently in.

Fantastic job though, I like it biggrinbiggrin
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#38 Posted : 03 March 2007 00:12:28(UTC)
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In response to the question of a turntable, I had a play with the trackplan in wintrack to see if a turntable could be fitted.

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Also, I've drawn some expansion plans for the day, if ever, that I can expand the layout. This one adds a 2.4m x 1.2m module.

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The full plan.


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The lower level.

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The upper levels. Note that the station area has had a couple of extra straight tracks inserted.

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Offline laalves  
#39 Posted : 03 March 2007 01:26:23(UTC)
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Superb.... the classic Märklin look and feel, combined with today's technology!

Great job!

Luís
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#40 Posted : 03 March 2007 08:18:49(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by fvri
<br /> I always find it very attractive if brigdes and tunnels are involved.

Frank.


A friend suggested to me that there are too many tunnels on this layout. To me, they add character to a layout.



Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by hxmiesa
<br />I especially like the second-last pic!
Nice view, and good work on the caternary. What brand masts are you using? (Electrotren?)

Suggestion; Personally I dont like the orange platform-roofs. Why dont you paint them all grey, when you get the new ones?

BTW; How did the V200 get there? (hehe)


Henrik, yes the masts are Electrotren. They look OK in the pictures, but in real life I think they look too 'spindly' or thin. I'm thinking of replacing them with the Electrotren latice masts.

To change the colour of the platform roofs to anything other than orange I'd have to take the roofs off. Having assembled and deassembled these things several times - I had to reduce them in height by 5mm as they were catching the loco pantographs - I can't be bothered doing this, especially rewiring the lights I have mounted in them. Believe me I thought long and hard about that.

The V200 has got a PD101 decoder with the same address as the V160, so I can't have them on the track at the same time, and I have no idea of how to reprogram the address with a CS - the instructions are for a 6021. I could change the V160, I just haven't got around to it. Hence the V200 sitting off the tracks.

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by steventrain
<br />Very good tidy and clean.


Hey Steven, you should have seen it before.......[:I][:I] As for underneath, well [:I][:I][:I][:I][:I]
Offline nevw  
#41 Posted : 03 March 2007 08:23:07(UTC)
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David,
Gets Better and Better.
Any dates for your visit???
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#42 Posted : 03 March 2007 08:39:01(UTC)
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Hi Nev. Well the Tech One guys were meant to be here next week, but they've postponed until the week starting 19 March, at which time I will be with them in Auckland. The Brisbane visit has therefore been put off until later, maybe April. I believe they hold the course every 6 weeks or so, so we'll see.....
Offline steventrain  
#43 Posted : 03 March 2007 10:01:53(UTC)
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Excellent,Very big trackplan.
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Offline huttel  
#44 Posted : 04 March 2007 22:49:37(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Bigdaddynz
<br />Hey Thomas, you must have been reading my mind. I'd been thinking that if I ever had the space, money and time, I could rebuild this layout in C Track, and incorporate the larger R2 and R3 curves. The only problem would be the bridge approaches, as M don't make curved bridge units for R3. However, they could easily be made, using some ply or MDF, and a jigsaw and a router. Unfortunately, your revamp, at 3.7m won't fit in the room that the layout is currently in.

Fantastic job though, I like it biggrinbiggrin


Hi David

I had simmilar considerations when I buildt my existing layout on R1/R2 and R2/R3. Wish Märklin would make curved bridges for R3 soon. As you can see on my layout I decided to go for R2/R3 curves (no R1) and MDF ramps - worked out ok.

//Thomas
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#45 Posted : 05 March 2007 02:59:23(UTC)
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Yes Thomas, I was having a look at your layout thread and web pages yesterday. You've done a fantastic job. Well done.
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#46 Posted : 06 March 2007 11:15:59(UTC)
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Thx Smile Think your layout is great and with all the comments it's clear that this specific layout has inspirede many dreams over the time. You are now making all our dreams come true.
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#47 Posted : 07 March 2007 18:20:37(UTC)
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Superb layout! You're working fast!
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#48 Posted : 07 March 2007 19:37:49(UTC)
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The expansion plans look great! I do not share your friends assesment that there are too many tunnels! That's like saying you have too many locomotives!! [:0] biggrinbiggrinbiggrin
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#49 Posted : 19 August 2007 08:05:38(UTC)
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As promised (in another thread) here are some pictures of my 37450 BR45, which I received several weeks ago.

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She's a beauty....biggrinbiggrin

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BR45 pulling a set of 46255 Langer Heinreich cars, which I also received recently. Who can note some subtle changes in the layout, which can be seen in this picture?

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You can just see the glowing firebox inside the cab...

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I've also got some 00751 Hopper cars, which I have tried to weather to match the 46255 Langer Heinreich cars. 46255 LH car on the left, 00751 on the right....

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...and another shot......weathered 00751 on the left, original 00751 on the right. I have 12 cars in total (5 x 46255, 7 x 00751), enough to make up a reasonable length unit train.biggrinbiggrin

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#50 Posted : 19 August 2007 09:38:32(UTC)
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Very nice, Thanks for sharing.
It is a Insider model.Smile
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#51 Posted : 19 August 2007 10:17:34(UTC)
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Yes Steven, the 37450 was the 2002 Insider model.
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#52 Posted : 19 August 2007 11:50:00(UTC)
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Hi David,
Your layout is a great effort, and very impressive. Lots of thought went into that.

Met one of your countrymen at Nathan's Trains in Brisbane yesterday, his name was Peter. I was not there for long, so did not get his full name, or what part of NZ he hails from.

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#53 Posted : 19 August 2007 14:15:56(UTC)
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<br />Who can note some subtle changes in the layout, which can be seen in this picture?
New catenary (masts)?

Btw, congratulations on the ore train!
Kind regards,
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#54 Posted : 20 August 2007 07:07:04(UTC)
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Yes, Pieter-Jan that was one of the changes that has been made. I thought that the Electrotren concrete style masts were to 'spindly' for my liking, so I replaced them with the green latice style masts, also from Electrotren. They look much better in my view, and also fit in more with the German theme of the layout.

The other change may not be as noticeable in the recent photos, but fits in with a suggestion that Henrik made.
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#55 Posted : 20 August 2007 10:53:06(UTC)
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by kimballthurlow
<br />Hi David,
Your layout is a great effort, and very impressive. Lots of thought went into that.

Met one of your countrymen at Nathan's Trains in Brisbane yesterday, his name was Peter. I was not there for long, so did not get his full name, or what part of NZ he hails from.

regards
Kimball


Thanks Kimball. We have several Peter's in our Marklin Club - I wonder if it was Peter Lemmon?
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#56 Posted : 06 September 2007 00:45:31(UTC)
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Hello David, really excellent layoutCool.
I love the complexity of your layout[^].
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#57 Posted : 06 September 2007 07:04:20(UTC)
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Thanks Nikos, your comments are much appreciated.
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#58 Posted : 06 September 2007 21:29:24(UTC)
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I agree with Nikos.

Great layout, David!
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#59 Posted : 03 November 2007 06:15:31(UTC)
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Dale mentioned in another thread that we should all forget about Chinese who try to rip us off, and do something with our layouts, so I figured it was time that I post some more piccies about what I've been doing with my layout. This time it is tunnel building.

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The initial formwork.....

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Curved retaining walls are from a honeycomb plastic sheet which easily bends to shape. These will get some imitation brick card glued to it. Note the in tunnel catenary, made from pieces of tie wire (for steel reinforcing) soldered together. Seems to work OK.


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Wire mesh stapled to the formwork. The mesh was folded randomly first to create valleys and ridges.


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Plaster cloth placed over the mesh to form a hard shell.


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I used some drywall finishing compound watered down, and brushed over the plaster cloth, which once dry forms a very lightweight but hard shell. Rock faces were formed from a layer of Sculptamold applied to the shell (US readers will know all about Sculptamold).


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Static grass applied and rock faces finished off with a slate grey wash from Woodland Scenics. The block arched wall also fitted here. I'll also apply some trees, bushes, and whatever else I can think of that should go on a mountainside. Note the station platforms have been all painted grey as per Henrik's suggestion. The orange colour was just too 'loud' and bright (I have a piccie if anyone wants to see it!![xx(][:0])

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#60 Posted : 03 November 2007 07:38:36(UTC)
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Very Good.
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Offline Macfire  
#61 Posted : 03 November 2007 08:39:22(UTC)
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Dave - With the "School-Mam" voice:
"Yes Tony, there are some in my layout thread!" [:X]

Me - Eating humble pie:
"Opps sorry Miss - I knew that - just forgot that's all." [:I]

But bloody nice weathering job, oh and a neat layout. [:p]
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#62 Posted : 03 November 2007 08:45:58(UTC)
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Excellent,Very good!
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#63 Posted : 03 November 2007 09:07:26(UTC)
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Quote:
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<br />Dave - With the "School-Mam" voice:

Sorry Tony, wasn't trying to be like that wink


Quote:
Originally posted by Macfire
<br />But nice weathering job, oh and a neat layout. [:p]
wink

LOL, I just smeared a bit of brown paint on them.... The loads were made from a foam insert, with sand and glue sprinkled on them, and painted to match the Langer Heinrich cars as best I could.

Thanks for the kind comments Nev (with the gammy arm), Steven and Tony.
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#64 Posted : 03 November 2007 13:14:40(UTC)
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The other change may not be as noticeable in the recent photos, but fits in with a suggestion that Henrik made.

Grey roofs noticed! wink
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#65 Posted : 03 November 2007 15:29:29(UTC)
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David,

Are you still able to reach the trains inside the tunnel?
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#66 Posted : 03 November 2007 20:22:46(UTC)
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Very good point Pieter-Jan. I can reach a certain distance down the tunnel mouths, that covers that area. The arched brick wall is removable, and you can see where it goes in the 2nd last picture. That leaves the curved area, which you can see in the 2nd picture. I cut a hinged flap into the top of the hill, so I can reach in and remove any derailed items in that area - which I have had to do. A piece of wire mesh had come loose in that area and was catching some of the trains as they went past, thereby derailing them. Some quick surgery to cut the piece of mesh out was required.

The ramp leading on to the bridge can also be unscrewed and removed, to get to the track underneath.
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#67 Posted : 04 November 2007 14:13:01(UTC)
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Always that Murphy guy, eh ! wink
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#68 Posted : 04 November 2007 18:25:05(UTC)
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Very nice...

//Thomas
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#69 Posted : 17 January 2008 00:48:58(UTC)
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<br />.....Boy, is this a tight fit or what?? Getting this all out will be a worry. And, getting it down the stairs will be a bigger worry.....


Many a true word spoken in jest!! Since our exchange student has gone back to France, my step daughter wants the layout room, so the layout now has to go down stairs to the room the student was in.....
Whooppee!! The amount of stuff I've had to remove to get the layout frames around corners, well....[xx(][xx(][xx(]

A couple of caternary lattice masts got broken (fortunately I have replacements), and one of the station platforms flew apart when it caught on something, but no broken pieces.Smile. Also I had to remove the backboards, so there will be some repairs to be done to the hill/scenery, but nothing major. The layout is going into a larger room so I won't have this issue agian, but a bed has to go into the room as well...
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#70 Posted : 17 January 2008 01:54:09(UTC)
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Suspend the Bed from the Ceiling and provide a Ladder for access. biggrin
More floor space then. [}:)]
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#71 Posted : 17 January 2008 03:06:41(UTC)
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Hi David, It's good to see you have taken Dale's advice and got on with the modelling, very nice. I guess we are now waiting for new photos with the layout in the new room.biggrin
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#72 Posted : 17 January 2008 04:55:45(UTC)
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I have a friend who had this layout for many years in a bedroom of his house until he moved. It's a great layout with a lot of possibilities.
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#73 Posted : 22 April 2009 12:02:12(UTC)
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By chance, I came across a thread in one of the German MRR forums discussing this layout (not my version of it, rather the Marklin 1971 implementation of it).

http://alte-modellbahnen...y.de/htopic,33,1971.html
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#74 Posted : 22 April 2009 12:59:17(UTC)
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Great layout BD. How many trains can you run on it?
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#75 Posted : 22 April 2009 13:16:13(UTC)
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Hi David, I agree that this layout plan is one of the best that Marklin has included in a catalogue.

Another thing that always strikes me when looking at the '70s catalogues is the sudden change in fashions between '71 and '72. In the '71 catalogue, the kids are all still neat and tidy looking, with traditional clothes. The following year, the kids have long hair and trendy clothes. I don't know whether it was a deliberate statement on Marklin's part, but I wonder if they decided they wanted to look more modern and progressive, instead of old fashioned?

Compare this picture from 1972 with those at the top of the thread, from 1971

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#76 Posted : 22 April 2009 13:26:45(UTC)
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How is your layout process, Bigdaddynz?
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#77 Posted : 22 April 2009 13:37:46(UTC)
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<br />Great layout BD. How many trains can you run on it?


Usually 4, Gary. If I put some more signal blocks in I might be able to get 6 going (4 running plus 2 stationary at the station)!

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<br />How is your layout process, Bigdaddynz?


Stephen, I guess some of the stuff I have done is things you can't really see. For example, I've installed all of the light signals and signal controllers - the controllers are Viessmann kits (5290 - equivalent to the 5210), and took some building. Also I've put some reed switches in around the station area with an S88 decoder. I've also done lots of testing with various locos to iron out any derailing issues. Recently I did some more tunnel work around the far bridge approach, including the retaining wall you see in the last picture. Also I've fixed a few things that came apart when the layout was moved. I guess I should take some photos, but not a lot has changed visually!


Ray, yes you are quite right, there was a distinctive change in style in the catalogs around that time. The 1970 and 1971 catalogs are still among my favourites ones, mainly due to the large layouts featured in each of them, but I like they way they featured all the locos of that era - great classic Marklin.
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#78 Posted : 22 April 2009 16:52:02(UTC)
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Your BB will be able to run there David?
It is a fine layout btw.
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#79 Posted : 22 April 2009 17:49:39(UTC)
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Superb layout!
A real "play" biggrinCoolSmilelayout if you ask me, and that is the basic idea, isn't it?
A friend of mine at ETE in California had build the exact same layout and we had lots of fun operating it!
Great choice and good (bench)work !
Yes Jon I have noticed the same here too: wood is usually of better quality here in France too than I used to know in California.
But the prices are much higher too! (Maybe just a "France" phenomenon, I don't really know)
I am investigating to use strips cut in 10 or 12 mm thick plywood for the sides of the benchwork.
I have calculated that it would save me about 50% of the materials cost.
Maybe I am just lucky that the place where I buy plywood here is willing to cut all the strips from large plates at only a nominal charge.
Cheers
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#80 Posted : 22 April 2009 18:09:13(UTC)
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Looks great!
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#81 Posted : 22 April 2009 20:35:36(UTC)
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<br />Your BB will be able to run there David?
It is a fine layout btw.


Thanks for your kind comments Nikos, Jacques and Jim. I sure hope the BB will be able to run on the layout, but I'm still waiting for ETS to come to the party.........[:0]
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#82 Posted : 04 January 2010 02:35:53(UTC)
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Hi David
What a great layout, You must be very proud of that you have achieved. How many locos do you have and how many are you able to run at the same time, & have you installed any signals yet?
Cheers
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#83 Posted : 04 January 2010 06:51:02(UTC)
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Hi Russell, thanks for the comments. I have around 40 locos (1 of which I brought from you), but I can really only run 4 at a time on the layout. Yes, I have installed some Viessmann light signals in the station area - basically one exit signal for each of the 4 tracks in the station area. I've also set up some reed switches in the station area, which are connected to an S88 module. This allows some automatic running should I want to. I can either control the running from the CS1, or from fvri's LocCommander software.

I've haven't done too much scenic work. I have put up some framing for tunnels on the right hand side leading onto the bridge, and have also been repairing some catenary under the ramp coming off the other end of the bridge - see my first picture of 03 Nov 2007 - it's the bit of catenary that curves underneath the bridge ramp.

And having put it all back together again, I've got to open it up again, because there is a dead spot underneath, and locos get stuck right where I can't get my hand.

Of course, you may recall that you supplied me with some of the catenary wire I have.
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#84 Posted : 05 January 2010 04:49:58(UTC)
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Hi David
I would like to add signals to my layout, preferably Viesmann semaphore with four blocks and braking modules at each, but as yet I am unsure of just how to go about it. I plan to build a test track so that I can gain some knowledge in this area. S88 seem a good option but all the info I have on this is very sketchy. I plan to pick Dion's brains at the Convention at Easter in Christchurch all being well. Are you going?
Cheers
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Offline Nightowl4933  
#85 Posted : 05 January 2010 20:35:29(UTC)
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<br />You're very close Johnny, in fact it is from the 1971 catalogue. It has been made slightly larger to fit into the available space.

1970 and 1971 were the only times, IMHO, that Marklin ever published a decent track plan in the catalogue. I wish they would still do this!!


Except for their Z gauge layouts - coz Z didn't come out until 1972 biggrin[:o)]

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#86 Posted : 05 January 2010 20:55:14(UTC)
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It is a great layout, Dave, and cetainly a classic.

My first introduction to Maerklin was in 1960-ish, and then again in 1965 when we returned to Germany from Singapore. Layouts like this were always dreams to me.

Stupidly (kick, punch, scratch, poke) I sold all my HO stuff when I joined the Army in 1973 - for £20! I don't think I've ever regretted anything so much since I returned to the hobby in 2007. I sold, basically, 2 starter sets with a lot of additional track and some other accessories - including an automatic barrier.

Keep up the good work, and keep us posted on progress.

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Offline intruder  
#87 Posted : 05 January 2010 22:25:30(UTC)
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Very good, David!
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Offline Breitenfurt  
#88 Posted : 05 January 2010 23:15:07(UTC)
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There was a beautiful layout plan in the Z scale 1985-1986 catalogue. Complete with excellent photos as well.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#89 Posted : 05 January 2010 23:30:11(UTC)
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Now Chris, do you mean the one on page 15 or the one on page 32?
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#90 Posted : 07 January 2010 22:40:15(UTC)
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Russell, you asked about signalling and block control on my layout, here's how I do it on this reasonably simple layout.


Bascially, I have 4 signals, one at each blue point on the following diagram.



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Exit signals are placed at the blue lines. Reed contacts are placed at the red lines (entry) and green lines (exit). Trains carry a magnet on the last coach / car of the train. The sequence starts with all signals set to red. When a train runs over a red reed contact, the CS will set the signal on the other track to green, and sets the entry turnout to that track. That incoming train stops at its signal. The outgoing train then runs over the green reed contact which sets all signals back to red. The outgoing train does a circuit of the layout, and ends up running over its red reed contact and triggers the sequence for the other train.

I use Viessmann 4213 colour light signals, which are operated by a Viessmann 5210 signal controller. I also use a brake module similar to the Viessmann 5232 brake module.


All reed switches are wired to an S88 decoder, which in turn is wired back to the CS1. S88 decoders are used for sensor input to enable automatic train running. In the Marklin 3 rail world, you can use a variety of sensors to provide input into the S88 decoders. You can use reed switches, which are activated by magnets on locos and or coaches, and at least 2 types of contact tracks, one of which is activated by the centre rail pickup shoe on a loco, the other by the AC wheelsets shorting out both outside rails. There are also special S88's available which can detect current draw in a track section as a loco passes over that section. The CS1/CS2 can take input from S88 decoders, they are connected in a chain via a special ribbon cable (a short cable - 150mm - comes with each S88 decoder, anything longer you will have to buy).

Some sensors such as the reed switch can be useful to determine when a train has cleared a certain point, if the magnet is placed on the last car/coach. Other sensors like the contact track activated by wheelsets can be useful to determine whether a stationary train is occupying a section of track.

One end of a sensor is connected to the S88 decoder, the other is normally connected to track ground. There is a ground connection on the S88, and the S88 is wired back to the controller by a S88 ribbon cable. You then use the features of the controller to define actions such as routes/signal/point control to be taken when a sensor is triggered.

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Offline poppa-7  
#91 Posted : 08 January 2010 00:19:00(UTC)
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Hi David
Thanks for your block control description, I am slowly collecting knowledge on the digital aspects of model railroading, but its a slow process. If I ("the digital dummy") read you correctly, the "reeds" are only connected to S88 decoder & this decoder is programmed via the CS, and I assume the semaphore signals would be wired the same as the light signals. As for the braking module, I take it the signal is not connected to it but operates independently.
Thanks
Regards
Russell (slowly decoming unConfused)
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#92 Posted : 08 January 2010 10:00:01(UTC)
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Russell, the 5210 signal controller is driven by a K83 solenoid decoder (Viessmann 5211), which also drives the brake module. So, when the signal is set to stop, so is the brake module. You could use a simple relay to cut track power instead of the brake module, but the module is a bit more realistic.

Yes, the reed contacts are wired to the S88, and the CS is programmed to take certain actions when a specific reed contact is activated. The CS has a setup screen for the S88's where you can see the individual contacts, and you can get a visual indication of whether the contact is working by manually activating it - i.e. in this case by passing a magnet over the contact.

Always remember when looking at the S88 setup screen on the CS that the contacts are numbered from right to left, i.e. #1 is on the extreme right.
Offline DireKiwi  
#93 Posted : 23 April 2010 11:44:52(UTC)
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Hey Dave,

Whats happening with the layout? Got any up to date pics?
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#94 Posted : 23 April 2010 13:31:59(UTC)
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Haven't done a lot on the layout lately. Apart from pulling it out from the wall so that I can get around the back of it. I haven't taken much in the way of up to date photos, not that the layout is much more up to date than the pictures already shown!

I guess I'd better get too and do something, as I'm meant to be taking our club's November clinic on my layout, so I'd better have something more to present than what I've already shown at the last presentation I did!
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#95 Posted : 23 April 2010 14:39:24(UTC)
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DireKiwi wrote:
Hey Dave,

Whats happening with the layout? Got any up to date pics?



Dave have spend much time on computer that layout.Wink
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Offline dr rookie  
#96 Posted : 23 April 2010 17:28:30(UTC)
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Very simple,nice and nostalgic layout and also should be fun running it.
Whatever you do the most count.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#97 Posted : 23 April 2010 18:48:06(UTC)
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steventrain wrote:
DireKiwi wrote:

Dave have spend much time on computer that layout.Wink


Too true Stephen! It's 4:47am, and where am I? On the computer!



Offline Ian555  
#98 Posted : 23 April 2010 19:19:59(UTC)
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Hi David,

When will you find time to get the car back together?

Have the parts arrived yet?

Ian.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#99 Posted : 24 April 2010 01:02:16(UTC)
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Ian, no the parts haven't arrived yet, they are still in TNT's Leige Euro Hub Depot in Belgium.

The Sierra blew its head gasket, water was coming out, but fortunately not into the sump. Since the head had to be taken off, I took the chance to have the cam lifters done, and the head has been planned a few thou, and had a valve grind and new cam bearings fitted. That was from the first set of parts I got in. The box that is in Europe has a water pump, temperature sensors, fuel filter, a set of coolant and boost hoses, and an exhaust manifold. The original manifold on the Sierra was cracked (fairly common occurrence I believe).

The mechanic still has to take the block out of the car, to check the frost plugs, piston rings, and main and big end bearings. The piston bores apparently look OK. A lot of this work is preventative maintenance, and may as well be done while the head is off the engine. So, I may need to get some rings and bearings as well. Getting this stuff direct from the UK is cheaper than buying it here in NZ, about 40% of what the cost would be buying in NZ.

I guess the frustrating bit is the time it is all taking.
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#100 Posted : 24 April 2010 01:05:04(UTC)
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As far as the layout goes, I'm thinking about doing this to it. This will require some room extensions!

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