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Offline soren36  
#1 Posted : 13 May 2008 01:44:25(UTC)
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At L - O - N - G last, my CC40108 has arrived - from China (as clearly noted on the box). Let us see if the SDS propulsion can pull her 7 car consist - lead paint and all wink.

She looks fine - as do all her new M* friends.
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Offline RayF  
#2 Posted : 13 May 2008 14:40:49(UTC)
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Congratulations! Looking forward to seeing some pictures.

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Offline steventrain  
#3 Posted : 13 May 2008 17:05:00(UTC)
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Very good, Pictures please.
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#4 Posted : 13 May 2008 17:24:14(UTC)
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I wonder where the Chinese marklin factory is? With the bad earth quake in Chongqing, which is a very modern industrial city, I hope the marklin factory was not near there.
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Offline kbvrod  
#5 Posted : 13 May 2008 19:06:15(UTC)
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Hi all,

I's rather send out my thoughts and prayers to the thousands of people killed then worry about the Maklin factory being damaged,...[V]

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Offline Hemmerich  
#6 Posted : 13 May 2008 22:28:19(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by soren36
<br />At L - O - N - G last, my CC40108 has arrived - from China (as clearly noted on the box). Let us see if the SDS propulsion can pull her 7 car consist - lead paint and all wink.

Even all 8 Märklin and some more (same, but with different road numbers) TRIX cars are no problem!
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:She looks fine - as do all her new M* friends.

Yes - very indeed! [:p]

And - you can easily identify the "Chinese manufcturing". biggrin

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Offline TimR  
#7 Posted : 14 May 2008 00:01:35(UTC)
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Ah...

That is why they are not trumpeting loudly "Made in West Germany" like in the old days...
Guess those stickers meant that they are made in China, Lutz?

I don't mind though so long as quality is up there.
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Offline Troy Yang  
#8 Posted : 14 May 2008 01:54:48(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by dntower85
<br />I wonder where the Chinese marklin factory is? With the bad earth quake in Chongqing, which is a very modern industrial city, I hope the marklin factory was not near there.


Mostly likely in the Canton Pearl Delta area which is close to Hong Kong's infrastructure. Chongging is in the mountain inland - kinda like Colorado. Smile
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Offline Hemmerich  
#9 Posted : 14 May 2008 21:45:29(UTC)
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Guess those stickers meant that they are made in China, Lutz?

Surely means shipped from there; if it's that what the U.S. govmt is eager to know. biggrin

I could as well not care less. wink
Offline David Dewar  
#10 Posted : 14 May 2008 21:49:57(UTC)
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Made in Germany sent to China and shipped to the USA biggrin

As long as you like it and it works then enjoy.

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#11 Posted : 14 May 2008 22:03:13(UTC)
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What does the European CE safety mark have to do with China? Certainly not "Chinese Export"....

Ahhh, you mean that other stuff stamped into the mould, m-something... Well, we all know those are made in China nowadays...biggrin

Hal, could you please post a pic of the box note?


As Kevin says, our main concern should be the quake victims... Even if that thought about the M production plant also up in my head, since the province affected is a big export assembly industry area...
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline spitzenklasse  
#12 Posted : 14 May 2008 22:39:15(UTC)
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That's funny! Never compared it that way.
The French sure had some unique designs in the fifties and sixties. The Citroen DS series for example.
If I wanted french models, this would be one. I wonder why they raked the windshields like a GM a-pillar dog leg like the cars from 1957? It certainly wasn't to reduce wind drag.
Offline nevw  
#13 Posted : 14 May 2008 22:44:03(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by TimR
Guess those stickers meant that they are made in China, Lutz?

Surely means shipped from there; if it's that what the U.S. govmt is eager to know. biggrin

I could as well not care less. wink


Probably Made in China., as there is no Marking saying Made in Germany.
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Offline john black  
#14 Posted : 14 May 2008 23:53:01(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
<br />... as there is no marking saying Made in Germany

Well Nev - those markings are long gone. As well as good ol' german quality that made 'em famous ... [xx(]
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Offline nevw  
#15 Posted : 15 May 2008 01:01:20(UTC)
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Thanks John,
Had a Look at a lot of my items. nothing new in the past 2.5 years has Made in Germany on them. Older items have so I presume that for the past 3-5 Years M has been manufacturing in other countries in Europe and that C Word Country.

Looking at older M Items and the newer there is a definate drop in Quality.

Impossible to put priesers into dining cars. just not enough room.

I was looking at some HAG and Fleischmann Dining Cars and there is ample room to insert Dining Priesers. Hag quality is superior to M. you have to pay for it but it is worth it.

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Offline john black  
#16 Posted : 15 May 2008 01:13:24(UTC)
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Offline soren36  
#17 Posted : 15 May 2008 01:52:52(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Impossible to put priesers into dining cars. just not enough room.


Nev - try the Preiser "Made in China" line. Perhaps more compact Smile
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Offline john black  
#18 Posted : 15 May 2008 02:12:57(UTC)
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Yeah. Or try Flash D's. He cut their feet ... [xx(]biggrin
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Offline RayF  
#19 Posted : 15 May 2008 19:30:28(UTC)
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I can only see little red "x"s.

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Offline soren36  
#20 Posted : 15 May 2008 19:56:03(UTC)
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That's weird, Räy (wink) - on my screen they are fine. I'll try again when I get home this evening. Photos are not bad so worth the effort.
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Offline David Dewar  
#21 Posted : 15 May 2008 20:07:15(UTC)
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Just red X for me.

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Offline RayF  
#22 Posted : 15 May 2008 20:37:34(UTC)
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Looks good! Just peel that little sticker off the box and it's perfect!

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Offline Hemmerich  
#23 Posted : 15 May 2008 20:46:24(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
Ahhh, you mean that other stuff stamped into the mould, m-something...

Nope! Take another close look - otherwise I'll have to open a new thread in the quiz section. biggrin
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Well, we all know those are made in China wadays...biggrin

Another Nope! The "märklin" mark in the mold simply indicates that it is a Märklin product and could have been assembled at and shipped from any of their worldwide manufacturing locations (currently still nearly 90% of all Märklin products are manufactured and delivered from their own factories in Germany/the EU).
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:...since the province affected is a big export assembly industry area...

Not related to or affecting the current Märklin subcontractors in the PRC.
Offline VT 08.8  
#24 Posted : 15 May 2008 22:01:41(UTC)
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Very fine, Hal

It was worth waiting for her
Perhaps some pics with the PBA coaches ?

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Offline Hemmerich  
#25 Posted : 15 May 2008 22:01:43(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by soren36
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Impossible to put priesers into dining cars. just not enough room.


try the Preiser "Made in China" line. Perhaps more compact Smile

Nothing is impossible for the advanced and informed model railroader. Cool
Preiser indeed offers both, unpainted and painted figure sets with the "correct" size. biggrin

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PS: I had no problem so far downloading and viewing those pictures. Thanks! wink
Offline steventrain  
#26 Posted : 15 May 2008 22:14:50(UTC)
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Very nice, Thanks for the pictures soren36.Smile
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Offline David Dewar  
#27 Posted : 15 May 2008 23:11:05(UTC)
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Got pics now Thanks

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#28 Posted : 15 May 2008 23:21:26(UTC)
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<br />Got pics now Thanks

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Offline john black  
#29 Posted : 15 May 2008 23:27:21(UTC)
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Same like Nev - red x here, too ...
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline nevw  
#30 Posted : 15 May 2008 23:29:55(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
Ahhh, you mean that other stuff stamped into the mould, m-something...

Another Nope! The "märklin" mark in the mold simply indicates that it is a Märklin product and could have been assembled at and shipped from any of their worldwide manufacturing locations (currently still nearly 90% of all Märklin products are manufactured and delivered from their own factories in Germany/the EU).
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:...since the province affected is a big export assembly industry area...

Not related to or affecting the current Märklin subcontractors in the PRC.


How can you be so sure of the 90% being made in Europe.
If M is using factories in other low cost countries what % of M products are made outside of Germany. THis would include other EU countries and China.confused
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Offline john black  
#31 Posted : 16 May 2008 00:08:18(UTC)
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Me too won't buy that number (a twenty years back he were right). But today - nope [xx(]
Just propaganda stories, that is. I say 90% China and 10% Germany production biggrin
I hope no one visits a poor Southener's layout in Brooklyn. Intruders beware of Gators.
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Offline nevw  
#32 Posted : 16 May 2008 02:16:18(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Hemmerich
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Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by soren36
<br />
Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Impossible to put priesers into dining cars. just not enough room.


try the Preiser "Made in China" line. Perhaps more compact Smile

Nothing is impossible for the advanced and informed model railroader. Cool
Preiser indeed offers both, unpainted and painted figure sets with the "correct" size. biggrin

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PS: I had no problem so far downloading and viewing those pictures. Thanks! wink


Lutz,
Thanks for that information.
I did not know that you could gt 1:100 scale Priesers. Cannot find any in hte stores here so maybe have to look elsewhere.

Have you actually fitted any into the Dining/restaurant cars?

Thanks again.

Nev

Post Scriptum:
I had a look at the Preiser Site and the 1:100 and 1:120 Seated Figures are NOT Suitable for sitting at the tables of the Dining Cars.
Funny seating angles. Unfortunately there is nothing in the 1:100 scale that matches the 10391 Figures

The Seated Figures that you show do not fit into M Dining Car Seats.

Nev
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Offline soren36  
#33 Posted : 16 May 2008 02:57:50(UTC)
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Offline kbvrod  
#34 Posted : 16 May 2008 03:54:34(UTC)
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Hi all,

Quote:
[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by Webmaster
As Kevin says, our main concern should be the quake victims... Even if that thought about the M production plant also up in my head, since the province affected is a big export assembly industry area...


I very much doubt that some care about that,as long as we get our train&toys& things and the Marklin factory wasn't damaged.

Dr [V]
Offline soren36  
#35 Posted : 16 May 2008 04:07:38(UTC)
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"Made in China" does not mean "transhipped" through China. It means, by KYOTO, by US and by EU authorities that the last "substantial transformation by manufacturing or processing" of the product took place in that country.

At the risk of boring some readers:

On "Country of Origin" - it seems that some believe this is an American matter of concern, however, the concept actually has its roots in British and German competitive situations in the late 19th century. Its conceptual complexity grew steadily as markets began to perceive that certain products made in certain countries were superior to all others. This, of course, led to an expanding variety of attempts by third parties to "deceive" buyers by labeling products in ways that "suggested" origins other than actuality.

The United States simply seeks to assure compliance with labeling requirements in an attempt to prevent one of many potentially deceptive practices engaged in by unscrupulous manufacturers from all over the globe.

Here are some brief extractions from KYOTO (1974):

FROM THE 1974 KYOTO CONVENTION ON “COUNTRY OF ORIGIN”:

The concept of the origin of goods enters into the implementation of
many measures whose application is the responsibility of the Customs.
The rules applied to determine origin employ two different basic
criteria: the criterion of goods " wholly produced " in a given
country, where only one country enters into consideration in
attributing origin, and the criterion of "substantial transformation",
where two or more countries have taken part in the production of
the goods. The " wholly produced " criterion applies mainly to "
natural " products and to goods made entirely from them, so that goods
containing any parts or materials imported or of undetermined origin
are generally excluded from its field of application. The "substantial
transformation " criterion can be expressed by a number of
different methods of application.

In practice the substantial transformation criterion can be expressed:

- by a rule requiring a change of tariff heading in a specified
nomenclature, with lists of exceptions, and/or

- by a list of manufacturing or processing operations which confer,
or do not confer, upon the goods the origin of the country in which
those operations were carried out, and/or

- by the ad valorem percentage rule, where either the percentage
value of the materials utilized or the percentage of the value added
reaches a specified level.


AND, FURTHER DEFINING “SUBSTANTIAL TRANSFORMATION”:

the term " substantial transformation criterion " (4) means the
criterion according to which origin is determined by regarding as the
country of origin the country in which the last substantial
manufacturing or processing, deemed sufficient to give the commodity
its essential character, has been carried out.

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Offline RayF  
#36 Posted : 16 May 2008 08:59:26(UTC)
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So, according to your first paragraph, the products should be labelled "Made in China" also in the EU, which is not the case.

My conclusion is that the US uses a different criterion for deciding on "Country of origin" labelling. I therefore believe that you are wrong. It is 'de facto' an American matter of concern.
Ray

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Offline Troy Yang  
#37 Posted : 16 May 2008 09:11:48(UTC)
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Does the engine perform well?
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Offline VT 08.8  
#38 Posted : 16 May 2008 09:23:46(UTC)
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Does this help? (Soren36's pics)

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#39 Posted : 16 May 2008 10:24:37(UTC)
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My 2 cents worth.

If all of the parts are made in China and assembled in China = Made in China
All parts Made in China and assembled in Germany or any other country in the Eu = Made in China Assembled in EU or Germany as the country of final assembly. Does not matter if the design is in G* or USA.
If most of the components are made in China they are made in CHINA and M* cannot claim to be made in Germany [xx(]

In OZ Land we have had a change. If the product was packed in Australia it could be claimed to be Australian Made or Australian Product.

NOW we have truth of packaging for Food. Manufacturers and resellers (Supermarkets) have to display the Country of Origin of the items in the packet. so we have Australian Packed , and product of China.
Bet that would not go over in Germany or the EU
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Offline RayF  
#40 Posted : 16 May 2008 11:09:30(UTC)
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Unfortunately it's a 21st Century world, but we're still thinking in terms of what was appropriate in the 20th century.

In today's "globalised" economies, manufacturing is done wherever it creates more profit for the shareholders. This is a universal phenomenon.

Fifty years ago, you associated particular countries with excellence in manufacturing. This is no longer the case, as manufacturing technology is easily transported from one country to another.

Today, we need to look at the experience of the company designing the new product. In the case of Marklin, I believe it's still professionals sitting in Germany who come up with the ideas, design the products, and then deliver the specifications to the manufacturing plant. Whether that is in Germany, Hungary or China, I believe it's still a German product. The last Madonna CD could quite possibly have been pressed in the Far East. Does that make it oriental music?

OK, coming off my soap-box now, The 39401 does look like a lovely model (Thanks to VT08.8!). Troy make a good point, "Does the engine perform well?" If it looks good, and performs well, what more do we want?

Ray
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Offline nevw  
#41 Posted : 16 May 2008 11:24:36(UTC)
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Ray,
I totally agree with you . But I hate it when People say it is made in Germany when it is not the truth .

If it looks good , is strong and runs well It is OK
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Offline RayF  
#42 Posted : 16 May 2008 11:50:02(UTC)
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On the boxes I've seen, it doesn't say "Made in Germany", but neither does it say "Made in China". I think nowadays it is actually more accurate to leave it out completely, as Marklin is doing, rather than give the wrong impression.

Ray
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Offline David Dewar  
#43 Posted : 16 May 2008 12:24:03(UTC)
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Here in the UK all goods have the label of the country where they were made (and I think we are still part of Europe) My view is that items made in China which sell cheaply are usually not worth buying .. and in the case of toys can be dangerous.
I would have to buy my Marklin items from a UK shop to see where they are made but as I buy from Germany then I do not know the country of origin.
There was a time when items made in Japan were considered inferior but now they make some of the best products available. In the years to come maybe China will go the same way.
I would not buy Marklin now just because they are made in Germany as little is made there now which is better than any other country but i buy because i like the models and if they work well then thats OK by me. Same goes for Brawa and HAG although i think HAG may still be made in Switzerland hence the high price and better quality.

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#44 Posted : 16 May 2008 12:36:52(UTC)
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as an old goat I can remember toys and other items that were packaged and sold as Made in England. Made in USA et etc.

Actually they were made in Japan in towns named England, USA etc. This was the really cheap junk that came from Japan in the late 30a early 40s.
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#45 Posted : 16 May 2008 12:56:28(UTC)
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Dave, I've bought loads of Marklin stuff in the last couple of years from UK dealers. None of them have country of origin on them.

I've noticed that, in the place where the boxes used to say "Made in West Germany", and then "Made in Germany", they now have the little symbol with a child and 0 - 3 crossed out.

This is obviously an EU requirement. Maybe the country of origin label is not?

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#46 Posted : 16 May 2008 13:02:46(UTC)
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Agree with you, friends Smile

But besides of the various jurisdictions there is another most valid point.
Why can't they be <u>honest to us</u> and tell us clearly where it's made confusedconfusedconfused

F.E., Daughter-in-Law got this little SUZUKI, and for its name one might think it's made in Japan.
But no - the label on the B-pillar clearly reads "MADE IN HUNGARY BY GENERAL MOTORS ESZTERGOM PLANT".
Well, that's what we call honest customer information Smile

Forget boxes. The only cause we must suspect why M tries to keep its customers in the dark [xx(]
when <u>deleting the country of origin on the loco</u> is they wanna pretend it were still German quality ...


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#47 Posted : 16 May 2008 14:16:47(UTC)
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Ray -

"My conclusion is that the US uses a different criterion for deciding on "Country of origin" labelling. I therefore believe that you are wrong. It is 'de facto' an American matter of concern."

Perhaps we are dealing more with semantics than substance here. The criterion is the same, i.e., "substantial transformation" rules. The American issue is "to label or not to label" (that is the question wink.

And Troy - she runs well and looks good. Personally, I don't care where it's made. In fact, these days, in the US, one is hard pressed to find any manufactured consumer item that is not "Made in China".
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Offline David Dewar  
#48 Posted : 16 May 2008 16:16:02(UTC)
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Ray It looks like the dealers in the UK are not showing the origin of the product which they should do but then again being imported in small numbers probably nobody cares. I know that some still sell transformers with the German type two pin plug and not the UK three pin with earth. This is also not legal but again with such low sales I suppose nobody will notice unless there is a fatality.
You are right in saying that if it is good quality it does not matter where it is made but then again I like to think the people making the stuff are being paid a reasonable wage and the paint that is used is suitable and lead free.

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#49 Posted : 16 May 2008 16:35:34(UTC)
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You're right, David, those are the most important things.

When I bought a Starter set from Gaugemaster I was given the option of having the 2 pin plug changed for a 3 pin at the shop. I guess that gets them round the legal obligation.

On the question of the country of origin labelling, I would actually be interested in reading the letter of the law on this, as I'm pretty sure that there would be an EU directive on this which all EU member states have to abide by. In the same way as they have to include the "not suitable for under 3 year olds" label, which they do, they should then not be able to get out of a legal obligation on the country of origin. The fact that they do means to me that the law is not as clear cut as some think it is. Marklin would not be able to put on the market a product with illegal labelling.

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Offline David Dewar  
#50 Posted : 16 May 2008 17:11:10(UTC)
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Hi Ray Gaugemaster are a well organised firm and it is good to see they offered to change the plug. Most manufacturers from Europe etc would have the correct plug fitted when sending goods to the UK but the German model rail manufacturers ( includes Fleischmann) dont bother but seem to get away with it. I am not sure about Roco as anything from them that I bought here had the correct plug but it may have been dealer fitted.
Not completely sure what the European law on labelling is but it may well be different here in the UK (if the currency is different then perhaps many other things are)
I think again that being toy trains - which to date I presume have not killed any children - nobody is really concerned.

David
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#51 Posted : 22 May 2008 01:12:49(UTC)
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My Two Bob’s worth:

Originally posted by Dr. Dirt:
I's (sic) rather send out my thoughts and prayers to the thousands of people killed then worry about the Maklin (sic) factory being damaged.

I’m sure we all feel for the earthquake victims, that is what makes us humankind after all. I am sure that the agencies involved are capable even if they are overwhelmed by the magnitude of the disaster.
This site gives an indication of additional hazards following such a disastrous earthquake:
http://earthobservatory....images.php3?img_id=18034


Originally posted by Lutz:
Surely means shipped from there; if it's that what the U.S. govmt (sic) is eager to know.

I am amazed by this statement. Shipped from there after assembly in an EU factory?
Yeah right!

I could as well not care less.

Well I do!
In the old days it was simple. “Made in Western Germany”!
Period.

Originally posted by Lutz:
Nope! Take another close look - otherwise I'll have to open a new thread in the quiz section

Lutz pleased do – to my untrained and uninformed eye I am beggared if I can see any clue.
Unless you mean the serial numbering system / sequence. If so the above statement applies even more so.
(But if you ask me any question on NZ military aircraft in the 2nd Big One, I would be able to quote not only the serial number and history but also its wife’s mother’s maiden name) biggrin

Currently still nearly 90% of all Märklin products are manufactured and delivered from their own factories in Germany/the EU.

Yeah right. I’m with Nev & John on this one. If less than 60% of M*’s rolling stock is being made in China I’ll be surprised.


Originally posted by John Black:
Why can't they be <u>honest to us</u> and tell us clearly where it's made? The only cause we must suspect why M tries to keep its customers in the dark when <u>deleting the country of origin on the loco</u> is they wanna pretend it were still German quality ...

Some people need to face facts – German quality is RAPIDLY becoming a myth.
Just as the sun DID set on the British Empire so too will it set on famed German quality. In both cases it was a pity but inevitable!

Originally posted (earlier) by Nev:
Ray,
I totally agree with you . But I hate it when People say it is made in Germany when it is not the truth .
If it looks good , is strong and runs well It is OK


So where do I stand on this issue?
Simple really - but then this is from a simple colonial from the Antipodes.

In my mind if a product is made in a certain country then bloody well say so.
Same should also apply for assemblies.
Companies need to face facts that consumers are not idiots.
Failure to do so may (will) result in their reputation being permanently damaged.
M* has had a big enough hiding lately maybe if they stood tall and TOLD the WHOLE truth then their respect could start to regain lost ground.

China and Chinese made? Well the ONE issue I have is the blatant coping of brands. It really annoys the hell out of me.
Neither is not a new phenomenon in Asia nor restricted to the Orientals but the flood of imitation goods is reaching plague proportions.
For example, back in the ‘70’s I well remember the copied 'genuine' cassette tapes being rammed under our noses in SE Asia - all Dua Ringgit of course.

I was told a story (unverified) about Hornby setting up a production facility in China. UK management reportedly arrived to check the first production batch and ordered its complete destruction due to shoddy workmanship. The staff were appraised of the way things WOULD be done and the quality that WOULD be maintained and since then the quality has apparently remained first class.
Like I say this story is unverified but if the same standards are maintained by M* then the only problem is the Country of Origin issue – and that cannot be blamed on the Chinese, just the Germans.

To paraphrase Bonaparte – China is a sleeping giant. Beware when she wakes up…
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#52 Posted : 22 May 2008 01:59:01(UTC)
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#53 Posted : 22 May 2008 03:25:59(UTC)
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Hi all,
Macfire,excellent post and wonderful in it's honesty,I won't respond point for point but thank you for it.Juhan, can I repost on the M B&G? We had a small talk about ICE's in other countries and well, I opened my big mouth[B)]

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#54 Posted : 22 May 2008 03:49:43(UTC)
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Slightly off topic but following on from Macfires comment about Hornby and Chinese manufacture

Regarding Chinese Quality. A business associate of ours has a Steel mill in China.

The sell and Advertise Chinese Made Steel here in OZ land.

A year ago over a few months there was an increase in the volume and tonnage of reject products. Steel Spec not right , measurement not within Specifications and a few other things.

SO No production bonus was paid in one month. Managers complained about no bonus. Told why. Now no more quality problems and quality has improved.
Moral is Chinese Quality can be good. But DO Not hide the fact that it is made in China.

It is not only the US Government who want to know country of manufacture it is the Consumer

PS: Mercedes originating in Thailand and South Africa have a better build quality than the German Built ones
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#55 Posted : 22 May 2008 07:18:51(UTC)
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<br />Hi all,
Macfire,excellent post and wonderful in it's honesty,I won't respond point for point but thank you for it.

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#56 Posted : 22 May 2008 22:35:50(UTC)
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Originally posted by nevw
Lutz,
Thanks for that information.

Welcome.
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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:Have you actually fitted any into the Dining/restaurant cars?

The set which I pictured is dedicated for architect purposes, but the figures are mostly the same which can be found in the standard Preiser offering.

Yes, not only those fit into Märklin dining cars, even the 1:87 ones as shown on the next pictures with the #4153 dining car of one of my sons (of which he is still proud owner today; especially after this and his other older IC coaches are now equipped with short coupling).

If one of my kids could manage this already many years ago without problems or help and any modification to the figures, it should be even less of a problem for much more skillful model railroaders like those here on this forum. There are enough pictures by others who proved it being possible too. wink

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[size=1" face="Verdana" id="quote]quote:The Seated Figures that you show do not fit into M Dining Car Seats.

Interesting claim as you don't even have those; it's therefor sufficient to tell you that they fit (rather easy) - actually all six contained in that mold. The reason why I chose those over 1:87 is sole the better match to the coach scale, as can for example be seen by the 1:87 size conductor on the above picture, and that they were much cheaper than small quantities of painted and even unpainted ones.
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#57 Posted : 23 May 2008 04:04:52(UTC)
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Lutz:

The 1:100 figures are great! Does anyone know where to get these in the US?

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#58 Posted : 23 May 2008 05:06:11(UTC)
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Unfortunately Like Economy Class in Aircraft so has Marklin done the same in the new Dining Cars. NO Leg room.

in the newer Marklin and the new Rheingold Dining Cars there is 1.4mm Height Difference between Seat and Table top.
.5mm between table edge and seat edge
5mm between table edge and seat back .
.5MM between bottom of Table Top and top of Seat.

Not enough leg room room to fit a passenger.. I have added some photos of the newer Dining Cars and you can see the difference between Lutz's and the new Marklin Cars.
I doubt that you would get a 1:100 Figure into those tables.
I did very drastic amputation of a 1:87 figure and would not fit.
Older cars may be OK.
the 2nd Photo is from Lutz to show the difference between new and Old Leg room

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#59 Posted : 23 May 2008 08:09:30(UTC)
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Ah, yes, but you have tablelaps on the new coaches!
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#60 Posted : 23 May 2008 10:01:03(UTC)
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<br />Ah, yes, but you have tablelaps on the new coaches!

No working ones though. [xx(][:(!] Dummys. biggrin
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Offline David Dewar  
#61 Posted : 23 May 2008 11:29:13(UTC)
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I still just cut off the legs. I think you can buy Preisers or another make without legs... even the manufacturers know coaches are poorly designed. I have some of the newer M Swiss coaches which I like but open them up and the interior is held in place with a piece of tape as the plastic insert does not clip in properly.
We pay plenty for a plastic coach so why not give us a decent interior .. and a metal chassis.

David
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#62 Posted : 23 May 2008 11:48:30(UTC)
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<br />I still just cut off the legs. I think you can buy Preisers or another make without legs... even the manufacturers know coaches are poorly designed. I have some of the newer M Swiss coaches which I like but open them up and the interior is held in place with a piece of tape as the plastic insert does not clip in properly.
We pay plenty for a plastic coach so why not give us a decent interior .. and a metal chassis.

David


David, despite what Lutz Claims.
In the new M* dining cars YOU CANNOT FIT A persom in the seat even by doing terrible amputations and mutalations.

I have had a set of Dining persons without legs but they cannot be fitted to the new M* dining cars.

Hate to try sit and eat there.
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#63 Posted : 23 May 2008 12:01:31(UTC)
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Forget boxes. The only cause we must suspect why M tries to keep its customers in the dark [xx(]
when <u>deleting the country of origin on the loco</u> is they wanna pretend it were still German quality ...




Ah, but if we all knew for certain it was made in China then we might just object to paying "Made in Germany" prices...biggrin

The problem of figures not fitting into coaches is an old one, and frankly I'm amazed that they still design coaches without any space for passengers. It comes to something when models made twenty years ago are better than brand new ones in that respect! I realise that the essential problem is that HO scale walls need to be thicker than scale to avoid the model collapsing like paper when you handle it, but that's no excuse for the lack of legroom.

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#64 Posted : 23 May 2008 12:14:24(UTC)
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<br />I still just cut off the legs. I think you can buy Preisers or another make without legs... even the manufacturers know coaches are poorly designed. I have some of the newer M Swiss coaches which I like but open them up and the interior is held in place with a piece of tape as the plastic insert does not clip in properly.
We pay plenty for a plastic coach so why not give us a decent interior .. and a metal chassis.

David

David,
I have sets of those Passengers from Prieser without legs. they fit wonderfully in the Hag and Flieschmann Carriages BUT NOT M*. Like Cattle Classs on International flights Not enough space. biggrin
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#65 Posted : 23 May 2008 12:25:11(UTC)
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<br />
Forget boxes. The only cause we must suspect why M tries to keep its customers in the dark [xx(]
when <u>deleting the country of origin on the loco</u> is they wanna pretend it were still German quality ...




Ah, but if we all knew for certain it was made in China then we might just object to paying "Made in Germany" prices...biggrin

The problem of figures not fitting into coaches is an old one, and frankly I'm amazed that they still design coaches without any space for passengers. It comes to something when models made twenty years ago are better than brand new ones in that respect! I realise that the essential problem is that HO scale walls need to be thicker than scale to avoid the model collapsing like paper when you handle it, but that's no excuse for the lack of legroom.




Matt, Do NOT tell Lutz That he will have a Heart attack. wink m* can do no wrong. [xx(]Coolwink
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#66 Posted : 23 May 2008 12:41:45(UTC)
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Nev,

Could you explain which is the "problem" dimension which prevents you getting a legless passenger in the seat?

I don't understand what stops you just glueing the passenger's bottom onto the seat after cutting the legs back to the edge of the table.

Ray
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Offline David Dewar  
#67 Posted : 23 May 2008 17:01:26(UTC)
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Ray Thats what I do but some have to be cut back considerably to fit in certain coaches. M made passengers a while back which although not up to the Preiser standard did fit quite well however they have changed their passengers which although they look better now have to have the legs operation.
With certain coaches and lighting units the feet of standing people have to be cut.
As I said I like these newer Swiss coaches they look good but spoiled by the way the interior is fitted and designed. Painting the interior and doing some modifcations can be good fun (on a rainy day) and is worthwhile.

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#68 Posted : 23 May 2008 19:07:27(UTC)
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Regarding painting the interiors, I bought a new Liliput model of the German Chancellor's coach (red/beige as running in the early '70s). Originally this would have cost as much as a Marklin model, and it has a fully painted interior (even down to chequered "tiles" on the floor in the toilets). If Liliput can do this then why can't Marklin match them at the same price? My only complaint with the model is that it seems to be glued together, so getting inside to add lights and passengers will be tricky. Given I picked it up for 50% off RRP I'm willing to put up with that!
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#69 Posted : 23 May 2008 23:29:54(UTC)
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<br />The only cause we must suspect why M tries to keep its customers in the dark [xx(]
when <u>deleting the country of origin on the loco</u> is they wanna pretend it were still German quality ...

And as long as they try to hide the truth from us they'll only feed suspicion [}:)]
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#70 Posted : 24 May 2008 01:16:53(UTC)
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<br />Nev,

Could you explain which is the "problem" dimension which prevents you getting a legless passenger in the seat?

I don't understand what stops you just glueing the passenger's bottom onto the seat after cutting the legs back to the edge of the table.

Ray


Ray,
Using the 87 scale passenger you have to amputate the figure above leg level. a bit higher that the waist, and then they are a very tight fit. Look terrible actually as there is not enough height difference between seat and table top.
If I can find a pack of 100 scale or even N scale things may be better.
Will cost a lot to get some mailed from Europe unless they are with another shipment.
I do have some Z scale but I think they will be too small
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#71 Posted : 24 May 2008 04:43:36(UTC)
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Hi all,
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Ray,
Using the 87 scale passenger you have to amputate the figure above leg level. a bit higher that the waist, and then they are a very tight fit. Look terrible actually as there is not enough height difference between seat and table top.
If I can find a pack of 100 scale or even N scale things may be better.
Will cost a lot to get some mailed from Europe unless they are with another shipment.
I do have some Z scale but I think they will be too small
N

It's gruesome,sawing off legs.Yet you can use those legs under an auto!Cool
One can always get the saw,and prop up a figure,remember:
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I would still like an answer about,what I asked for in this thread,the re-post and now about zinc-pest and the piracy problem,since we -know- that never happens anywhere.

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#72 Posted : 24 May 2008 10:29:34(UTC)
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I'd have thought piracy (or rather infringement of intellectual property, to whit, pinching designs) would be a non-starter with Marklin. The potential market isn't really big enough to justify setting up a "shadow" factory, as attempting to sell the stuff in the West wouldn't work.

I could accept that a few reject/"seconds" models might find their way onto ebay. I know Mainline (who used to make British OO back in the '70s/80s) did sell their rejects through a factory shop in the UK at a heavily discounted price, but they were all clearly marked as such so people knew what they were getting. I think they put some sort of indelible mark on the underside so they couldn't be passed off as standard models.
Matt from Wales.

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