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Offline GlennM  
#1 Posted : 08 August 2016 13:49:16(UTC)
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I was wondering if someone might be able to help me with a query on the BR38 that was sold as part of the 26549 set;

After photographing my model yesterday i noticed that the rear section of the cab seems to be tilted upward from the rear to the front, see photo;


UserPostedImage


The cab appears to be seated corrected and appears to be in line with the red portion of the chassis and so it does not look like it has had a bang. I have looked at Osterthun's image, which can be found here, which is not conclusive as it is shot from a slight offset angle. I cannot seem to find a decent internet image showing this loco side on.

So my question is for anyone who has this set, is your loco the same as mine, or has mine had a bang?

Thoughts?

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Offline applor  
#2 Posted : 08 August 2016 14:10:49(UTC)
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This is mine:

IMG_0641.JPG

It does appear yours is lifting up a little at the back. I suggest removing the body and making sure the motor unit is engaged correctly with the teeth of the transmission.
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Offline GlennM  
#3 Posted : 08 August 2016 15:13:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
This is mine:

IMG_0641.JPG

It does appear yours is lifting up a little at the back. I suggest removing the body and making sure the motor unit is engaged correctly with the teeth of the transmission.


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Offline RayF  
#4 Posted : 08 August 2016 15:44:54(UTC)
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Here's my Br38. The angle of the photo is not the same, but I think that you can see that the body is lower down at the back too, compared to Glenn's. I think the body needs to be re-seated on the chassis.

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Offline MalinAC  
#5 Posted : 08 August 2016 16:02:35(UTC)
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I have a few of the old analog Primex and Marklin ones, but that one sure looks very nice indeed Eddie ThumpUp ThumpUp
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Offline steventrain  
#6 Posted : 08 August 2016 16:34:16(UTC)
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I seen on Google image and still a same issue as your image.

Maybe factory faults.
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Offline foumaro  
#7 Posted : 08 August 2016 17:34:03(UTC)
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This set is in my wish list.Maybe i have to delete it.Or not?RollEyes Woot
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Offline GlennM  
#8 Posted : 08 August 2016 19:32:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
This set is in my wish list.Maybe i have to delete it.Or not?RollEyes Woot


The set is a great set, and the loco runs beautifully see it in action at Ian's;







The body does not look as pronounced as the camera is further away.

Before you decide let me remove the body and see if that fixes the problem.

BR

PS: Thanks to all responders. The set was supposed to be new, but I guess someone could have had the body off and not put it back properly, we will see.
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Offline foumaro  
#9 Posted : 08 August 2016 21:28:56(UTC)
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I do not think that you will find a problem,the locomotive is great.If the body do not fit well to the shell the locomotive will not move,I had the similar 37030,and I had noticed that.Ray,please be careful with your loco,I saw in your photo a little piece of the loco on the roof just in front of the cabin ready to fell down.Put in on the right position.

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Offline RayF  
#10 Posted : 08 August 2016 21:55:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: foumaro Go to Quoted Post
I do not think that you will find a problem,the locomotive is greatIf the body do not fit well to the shell the locomotive will not move,I had the similar 37030,and I had noticed that.Ray,please be careful with your loco,I saw in your photo a little piece of the loco on the roof just in front of the cabin ready to fell down.Put in on the right position.


Thanks! I hadn't noticed the loose safety valves. I'll check if it's still like that. The photo was taken some time ago....
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#11 Posted : 08 August 2016 22:00:56(UTC)
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I'll have to get mine out and photograph it for you. This is a nice set though.

I have found that the loco can't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Many folks have replaced the middle axle with one that has groves for an extra set of rubber tyres. I have the extra axle for this but haven't got a round tuit to fitting it. I found that the sound is quite quiet as well.

Glenn, maybe you have the special drag reduction version of the Br38....WinkWink
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Offline dominator  
#12 Posted : 08 August 2016 23:18:00(UTC)
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I put a straight edge on all the photos above. I think they are all the same and I think, both my 3098 models are the same as well. Its something I remember from when I bought my first one new in about 1966. I wonder if the original is like that.

Dereck

I just checked a genuine photo. The roof lines up just under the top of the dome whereas the Marklin models roof line appears to line up with the bottom of the downward curve top of the dome. Putting a straight edge on the video did seem to show the model having the same lines as the real thing though. Optical illusion?????
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Offline dominator  
#13 Posted : 08 August 2016 23:37:02(UTC)
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Big Daddy, I never had a problem with mine [3098]. The latest one I bought did seem to wheelspin when I first got it and I could not see what the heck was going on with it. I cleaned the tyres and that didnt seem to make a difference. On another inspection, i noticed the pick up shoe was slightly skewed so i set that straight and low and behold, it has never wheel spun again. When I first looked at the problem I thought about epoxying some lead in the nose of the body, which I did later after it stopped wheel spinning, but I don't really think that was necessary. It certainly wasn't a bright Idea to build that loco back to front, but in the mean time, I have had quite a few hours fun with it.
Has the latest one been built the same.
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Offline RayF  
#14 Posted : 08 August 2016 23:43:29(UTC)
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The new tooling is quite different mechanically and in terms of accuracy from the 3098 tooling. I have both.

My experience is that the older tooling is not very well balanced because of the position of the motor ahead of the driving wheels. On mine they tend to be light on the rear drivers.

My 37030 is a joy to look at and a great runner.
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Offline Tex  
#15 Posted : 09 August 2016 02:25:01(UTC)
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MY 38 is the 3099 version which looks good and is also a good puller. It has been upgraded and is my only Marklin steam engine with a crew.

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Offline dominator  
#16 Posted : 09 August 2016 03:55:20(UTC)
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front wheel drive vehicles don't go too well up step slippery slopes. you have to reverse up. possibly same with this loco as the rubber tyres are on the front drivers.

My only 2 locos with an engineer are 2 of my class 23 locos. Haven't found any [ haven't looked probably ] for suitable personnel.

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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#17 Posted : 09 August 2016 06:33:28(UTC)
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Previous forum threads regarding the issues with the 26549 Br38

https://www.marklin-user...ng-P8-BR38-driving-chars

https://www.marklin-user...arklin-26549-or-not.aspx

Please note that Pål Paulsen's website mentioned in the thread's is no longer accessible, but I've previously saved the Tips and Tricks from his website so I have attached a mht file to this thread with the details - you can open it with most web browsers (after unpacking the file from the zip file attached).

Br38_tipsandtricks.zip (647kb) downloaded 19 time(s).
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Offline GlennM  
#18 Posted : 09 August 2016 11:47:27(UTC)
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Thanks everyone for the useful comments and suggestions, and Bigdaddynz posting the great links ThumpUp ThumpUp
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#19 Posted : 09 August 2016 12:44:53(UTC)
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Quick and dirty picture of my 26549 Br38.


IMG_1403.jpg
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Offline GlennM  
#20 Posted : 09 August 2016 13:14:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
Quick and dirty picture of my 26549 Br38.


IMG_1403.jpg


Your cab is very much flat as I would have expected. Thanks
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Offline Rwill  
#21 Posted : 09 August 2016 13:33:17(UTC)
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There is one on ebay at the moment and to me it seems to "suffer" the same affliction as yours Glenn in the close up picture.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M...10bcb:g:R6gAAOSwbsBXngHX
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Offline foumaro  
#22 Posted : 09 August 2016 14:47:14(UTC)
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There is one on ebay at the moment and to me it seems to "suffer" the same affliction as yours Glenn in the close up picture.

http://www.ebay.de/itm/M...10bcb:g:R6gAAOSwbsBXngHX


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Offline kiwiAlan  
#23 Posted : 09 August 2016 15:22:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I'll have to get mine out and photograph it for you. This is a nice set though.

I have found that the loco can't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Many folks have replaced the middle axle with one that has groves for an extra set of rubber tyres. I have the extra axle for this but haven't got a round tuit to fitting it. I found that the sound is quite quiet as well.

Glenn, maybe you have the special drag reduction version of the Br38....WinkWink


Mine has that same pulling problem. I ran it at Nigels a few weeks ago and it had a problem climbing the spiral with the set of wagons from the set, plus the additional wagon that is in this years NI.

The axle used is the same as the one with the tyres i take it

I'll see about bring mine to Nigels in November Glenn.

Offline GlennM  
#24 Posted : 09 August 2016 17:05:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I'll have to get mine out and photograph it for you. This is a nice set though.

I have found that the loco can't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Many folks have replaced the middle axle with one that has groves for an extra set of rubber tyres. I have the extra axle for this but haven't got a round tuit to fitting it. I found that the sound is quite quiet as well.

Glenn, maybe you have the special drag reduction version of the Br38....WinkWink


Mine has that same pulling problem. I ran it at Nigels a few weeks ago and it had a problem climbing the spiral with the set of wagons from the set, plus the additional wagon that is in this years NI.

The axle used is the same as the one with the tyres i take it

I'll see about bring mine to Nigels in November Glenn.



I have only run mine at Ian's on the flat, had no pulling problems at all on C track, as can be seen in the video.

The spiral you refer to at Nigel's catches quite a few trains out. Maybe digital trains don't deliver the same power as analog, or maybe we just run them prototypically slower?
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Offline applor  
#25 Posted : 10 August 2016 03:04:47(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post


I have found that the loco can't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Many folks have replaced the middle axle with one that has groves for an extra set of rubber tyres. I have the extra axle for this but haven't got a round tuit to fitting it. I found that the sound is quite quiet as well.


Yes I have done this modification for mine, though without a layout I have no way to confirm its effects.

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Offline Tex  
#26 Posted : 12 August 2016 05:08:02(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: applor Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post


I have found that the loco can't pull the skin off a rice pudding. Many folks have replaced the middle axle with one that has groves for an extra set of rubber tyres. I have the extra axle for this but haven't got a round tuit to fitting it. I found that the sound is quite quiet as well.


Yes I have done this modification for mine, though without a layout I have no way to confirm its effects.

This photograph shows my 38 pulling a passenger train up a 3.5 % grade

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Offline GlennM  
#27 Posted : 12 August 2016 20:58:14(UTC)
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By way of an update, I had a spare hour this afternoon and thought I would revisit this loco and see if the upper frame was not seated correctly.

In short the answer is no, the gears have been greased and were happily nestled correctly, the drivers plate is flat at the rear against the red sub-frame. There is a small sub plate below the top assembly which allows the connection from the tender to articulate and this is seated and flat. So seems there is no issue with the body being incorrectly seated on the sub-frame, having replaced the the upper body and screwed it into place I noticed there is a little play in the end by pressing down on the roof, and so my conclusion is as follows;

a) Someone has picked the loco up with the cab thus causing some distortion.
b) There has been some distortion in the cab frame post moulding
c) It has had a bang

It is not so bad I cannot live with it, from a distance it does not look too noticeable but on the hi res images there is no escaping the issue, and spoils the photo Cursing Cursing Cursing Cursing

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Offline RayF  
#28 Posted : 12 August 2016 21:49:48(UTC)
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So the problem is that the cab is tilted forward, not that it's sitting too high? Yes I can see how that is true.

To be honest if you hadn't pointed it out I would not have noticed. Just enjoy your beautiful loco...
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Offline GlennM  
#29 Posted : 12 August 2016 22:58:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
So the problem is that the cab is tilted forward, not that it's sitting too high? Yes I can see how that is true.

To be honest if you hadn't pointed it out I would not have noticed. Just enjoy your beautiful loco...


To be honest Ray, I had not noticed it until I took the close ups, it has been to Ian's and no one noticed, so I can live with it, just run it slightly faster than normal BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

All the best
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Offline RayF  
#30 Posted : 13 August 2016 19:42:15(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
So the problem is that the cab is tilted forward, not that it's sitting too high? Yes I can see how that is true.

To be honest if you hadn't pointed it out I would not have noticed. Just enjoy your beautiful loco...


To be honest Ray, I had not noticed it until I took the close ups, it has been to Ian's and no one noticed, so I can live with it, just run it slightly faster than normal BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

All the best


Just squint as it goes by! BigGrin
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Offline DTaylor91  
#31 Posted : 14 August 2016 09:35:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: GlennM Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RayF Go to Quoted Post
So the problem is that the cab is tilted forward, not that it's sitting too high? Yes I can see how that is true.

To be honest if you hadn't pointed it out I would not have noticed. Just enjoy your beautiful loco...


To be honest Ray, I had not noticed it until I took the close ups, it has been to Ian's and no one noticed, so I can live with it, just run it slightly faster than normal BigGrin BigGrin BigGrin

All the best


Just squint as it goes by! BigGrin


I bought a 37030 almost as soon as it was first released, and mine had the cab tilted forward. It was fairly severe on my model, and I spent plenty of time trying to correct it. The main issue seemed to be that the front cab wall was warped inward, and almost no amount of "massaging" it straight seemed to help.
It took a lot of work in many areas on the model to get the cab somewhat level. I'll take a photo of my model and post later, once it is daylight here.

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