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Offline vnangli  
#1 Posted : 19 April 2016 18:41:06(UTC)
vnangli

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Marklin fans,

I am looking for information/explanation of how to understand Marklin's article numbering scheme (item number/SKU #/Part number) for locos and rolling stock. Can anybody point me to such a source?
For e.g the first two digits may be associated with the loco type or even gauge type. I was able to find a cheat sheet for track article (curved) numbers in which the first two digits are to indentify the radius.

Off late after my encounter with the ICE loco, I have been a little hyper active in gathering information. I want to make the most of it before other commitments start distracting me.

I thank the community for throwing light on my explorations about MFX+, MM2 decoders and 29791 loco programming.

Thanks
Vijay
Offline BrandonVA  
#2 Posted : 19 April 2016 19:12:15(UTC)
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There is a number structure, and it generally holds true, although occasionally there are exceptions. This should serve as a general overview but not a definitive guide.

With HO, generally:

26xx/26xxx = Digital train sets
28xx/28xxx = Analog or Delta train set
29xx/29xxx = Starter set
30xx = Analog locomotive
31xx = Analog locomotive, analog locomotive set (loco + coaches or wagens)
33xx = Analog locomotive often with electronic reverse unit, or Delta Locomotive
34xx/34xxx = Analog or delta locomotive
35xx = 5 star propulsion analog locomotive
33xxx = Delta locomotive
36xx/36xxx = Digital locomotive
37xx/37xxx = Digital locomotive
39xxx - Digital Locomotive, normally some kind of premium
4xxx/4xxxx = Wagens and coaches, also unpowered locomotives

21xx/22xx = K Track
24xxx = C Track
51xx/52xx = M track
7xxx/7xxxx = accessories, controllers, signals, etc, etc.

Other gauges:

There are breakdowns for these gauges beyond the starting numbers, but I will let others elaborate.
5xxx/5xxxx = 1 Gauge (except M track numbers)
8xxx/8xxxx = Z gauge

If you want to get really specific, knowing the year range a locomotive was released will probably allow an educated guess you what kind of decoder it has, motor, etc. Marklin has used some toolings for a long time, so when you see a new release of this tooling you can also make some assumptions about it.

-Brandon

Edited by user 21 April 2016 21:09:40(UTC)  | Reason: Corrections per H0.

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Offline vnangli  
#3 Posted : 19 April 2016 19:14:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
There is a number structure, and it generally holds true, although occasionally there are exceptions. This should serve as a general overview but not a definitive guide.

With HO, generally:

26xx/28xx/26xxx/28xxx = Train set, starter set
30xx = Analog locomotive
31xx = Analog locomotive, analog locomotive set (loco + coaches or wagens)
33xx = Analog locomotive often with electronic reverse unit, or Delta Locomotive
35xx = 5 star propulsion analog locomotive
33xxx = Delta locomotive
36xx/36xxx = Digital locomotive
37xx/37xxx = Digital locomotive
39xxx - Digital Locomotive, normally some kind of premium
4xxx/4xxxx = Wagens and coaches

21xx/22xx = K Track
24xxx = C Track
51xx/52xx = M track
7xxx/7xxxx = accessories, controllers, signals, etc, etc.

Other gauges:

There are breakdowns for these gauges beyond the starting numbers, but I will let others elaborate.
5xxx/5xxxx = 1 Gauge (except M track numbers)
8xxx/8xxxx = Z gauge

If you want to get really specific, knowing the year range a locomotive was released will probably allow an educated guess you what kind of decoder it has, motor, etc. Marklin has used some toolings for a long time, so when you see a new release of this tooling you can also make some assumptions about it.

-Brandon


This information is really helpful...Thanks
Offline Thewolf  
#4 Posted : 19 April 2016 21:39:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
There is a number structure, and it generally holds true, although occasionally there are exceptions. This should serve as a general overview but not a definitive guide.

With HO, generally:

26xx/28xx/26xxx/28xxx = Train set, starter set
30xx = Analog locomotive
31xx = Analog locomotive, analog locomotive set (loco + coaches or wagens)
33xx = Analog locomotive often with electronic reverse unit, or Delta Locomotive
35xx = 5 star propulsion analog locomotive
33xxx = Delta locomotive
36xx/36xxx = Digital locomotive
37xx/37xxx = Digital locomotive
39xxx - Digital Locomotive, normally some kind of premium
4xxx/4xxxx = Wagens and coaches

21xx/22xx = K Track
24xxx = C Track
51xx/52xx = M track
7xxx/7xxxx = accessories, controllers, signals, etc, etc.

Other gauges:

There are breakdowns for these gauges beyond the starting numbers, but I will let others elaborate.
5xxx/5xxxx = 1 Gauge (except M track numbers)
8xxx/8xxxx = Z gauge

If you want to get really specific, knowing the year range a locomotive was released will probably allow an educated guess you what kind of decoder it has, motor, etc. Marklin has used some toolings for a long time, so when you see a new release of this tooling you can also make some assumptions about it.

-Brandon


Thank you very much Brandon ThumpUp ThumpUp

It is going to serve me

Thewolf
Project The Richelieu Valley Railway-CS2-Track C- Itrain-Digital
Offline H0  
#5 Posted : 20 April 2016 00:01:54(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
39xxx - Digital Locomotive, normally some kind of premium
Forget about "premium". 39xxx was reserved for C Sine locos, but after the end of the C Sine production it just means "digital loco".
Some C Sine locos had 37xxx numbers.
39xx were loco kits.

There isn't much of a pattern left. 34xx can be analogue or Delta. 34xxx should be Delta.
30xxx can be Delta or digital.

26xx/26xxx are digital trainsets. 28xx/28xxx are analogue or Delta trainsets.
29xx/29xxx are startersets.
Regards
Tom
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Offline BrandonVA  
#6 Posted : 20 April 2016 00:49:41(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
39xxx - Digital Locomotive, normally some kind of premium
Forget about "premium". 39xxx was reserved for C Sine locos, but after the end of the C Sine production it just means "digital loco".
Some C Sine locos had 37xxx numbers.
39xx were loco kits.


Tom,

I agree here, the C sine were special, now they are *just* digital locomotives. With that said, in my observation even not C sine 39xxx locos tend to have a few additional features (firebox light, two motors, etc), and they tend to be on the higher price end of the spectrum (deserved or not).

-Brandon
Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 20 April 2016 08:10:18(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post
With that said, in my observation even not C sine 39xxx locos tend to have a few additional features (firebox light, two motors, etc), and they tend to be on the higher price end of the spectrum (deserved or not).
The recent BR 101 models with 39xxx numbers are not better than the recent 37xxx models of BR 101 - not "premium" in my opinion.
To me a 39xxx number is no longer special.

Regards
Tom
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#8 Posted : 22 April 2016 17:50:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BrandonVA Go to Quoted Post

8xxx/8xxxx = Z gauge



There are also 8xxx/38xx/38xxx numbers which are 2 rail DC Hamo branding versions of Marklin HO locomotives. Some of the later ones I think came with early digital decoders. These were all produced before 1995? when Marklin officially took over Trix and used that as its 2 rail lineup.
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Offline mike c  
#9 Posted : 22 April 2016 19:25:12(UTC)
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Maerklin and Roco (among others) have a random modelling system. Other companies, like LSM, ACME, etc have a numbering system where the numbers are not random.
For LSM, models beginning with first digit 1 are locomotives, 3 are freight cars, 4 is passenger coaches, etc.
The second digit indicates the nationality, e.g Models from Germany have a 6, Switzerland/Austria/Italy have a 7, Eastern Europe have a 8, CIWL/CNL have a 9 and so on…

So, you can right away determine that 16XXX is a German locomotive, 37XXX is a Swiss or Austrian freight car and 49XXX is a CNL or CIWL coach.

Would you like it better if Maerklin had a similar system that made it easier to identify models by number?

Regards

Mike C
Offline H0  
#10 Posted : 22 April 2016 20:30:57(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: mike c Go to Quoted Post
Would you like it better if Maerklin had a similar system that made it easier to identify models by number?
That would have advantages, but would also lead to problems with the existing number scheme (or number non-scheme).

They could use new ref. codes with a leading letter so we can tell new from old codes.

Märklin 37540 is a transformer or a loco.
Several 4xxx have been used twice over time.
We have the Koll numbering scheme that brings some clarity, but also some new confusion.

A new, clean numbering scheme would be nice - but I don't think it's coming soon.
Regards
Tom
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Offline bph  
#11 Posted : 01 June 2022 17:23:16(UTC)
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Märklin is going to start using the "38" number range, for H0 new tooling designs.
this is because they are running out of "37" and "39" numbers.
Published in Insider magazine 03.2022
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#12 Posted : 01 June 2022 22:21:39(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: bph Go to Quoted Post
Märklin is going to start using the "38" number range, for H0 new tooling designs.
this is because they are running out of "37" and "39" numbers.
Published in Insider magazine 03.2022


Well, they don't need that range of numbers for the Hamo range now, so I guess it makes sense.

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Offline marklinist5999  
#13 Posted : 02 June 2022 14:12:10(UTC)
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My Hammo models begin with 83.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#14 Posted : 02 June 2022 14:55:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: marklinist5999 Go to Quoted Post
My Hammo models begin with 83.


When Marklin changed to 5 digit numbering they used 38xxx as the Hamo numbering. I don't think there were many models in this series as soon after they acquired Trix, which became the 2-rail line.

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