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Offline PMPeter  
#1 Posted : 09 April 2016 17:02:09(UTC)
PMPeter

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There have been numerous topics in the past where someone is looking for parts for a loco, a car, a building kit, etc. The usual solutions are checking the Maerklin website, other manufacturers' websites, Lokshop, MBSL, AJCKIDs, and so on, or buy an identical item on eBay and use one as a source of spares.

Buying an identical item is a good response if the item is inexpensive, but certainly wouldn't be what you would do for an expensive locomotive.

Mainly for locomotives and building kits the manufacturers provide a very detailed blow up diagram of the item along with a list of all of the assembly part numbers that can be bought from the dealer. Nice information and comment until you actually try and buy a part other than the usual slider, light bulb, tires, brushes, etc. However, the normal items that are going to get damaged or missing from an operating item such as steps, ladders, puffers, headlights, and other fine details are next to impossible to find.

Therefore, I have 2 questions:

1. When a manufacturer prepares such a list and sells a new product, what is the purpose of identifying the part number if it is not readily available?
2. In general do the manufacturers create a finite number of parts when the product is first produced and then nothing more?

It seems to me that the parts may only be available for a short time after a new product is released. It then would be best when you obtain a new item to take a guess what small details may break in a derailment, maintenance disassembly, normal handling, etc. and order them at that time. If not they probably will not be available when you actually need them.

I have numerous locomotives of various ages from the 1970s to brand new c/w all of their parts number diagrams where I either have a broken step, handrail, or ladder, yet when I look to buy a part it is never listed as available on the M site and dealers generally will look no further. So does anyone have a good source that stocks old spare parts, or is it truly a hit and miss?

Cheers
Peter
Offline NS1200  
#2 Posted : 09 April 2016 17:25:59(UTC)
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Peter,

I understand your frustration which i share but this is life,manufacturers are trying to survive by cutting stocks of spares,this is the same everywhere.
Tendency is to sell bigger chunks rather than tiny bits,saves money for storage and logistics.
It stands to reason that a company like Marklin cannot stock spares for a range of models going back half a century.
In my humble opinion it is useless to ask Marklin dealers because they want to sell the latest range at the highest possible price and are not making money on spareparts.

I recently found a Marklin shortcoupling for my Marklin Rio Grande F7 units from the following source:

http://stores.ebay.de/co...4?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

These people in italy claim they have 27,000 Marklin spareparts in stock,you could give it a try.
I am not saying these parts come at a bargain.

I keep my Marklin stuff in display cases on the wall,risk of damage is very limited,given the unlikely earthquake in Holland....

Compare this issue with having an old car,say 10 years old,would you try to obtain parts from the maker (for example Ford) or would you buy parts from scrapyards?
My brother in law drives a Mercedes C class of 10 years old,very nice car inside and out,he bought the windshield spraypump at the scrapyard for near to nothing.

Cheers,
Paul
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
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Offline H0  
#3 Posted : 09 April 2016 17:27:46(UTC)
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Hi!
Originally Posted by: PMPeter Go to Quoted Post
2. In general do the manufacturers create a finite number of parts when the product is first produced and then nothing more?
Most likely yes - there could be exceptions. When new variations appear, identical parts will also be available for previous models.

For current Märklin models, the spare parts list is usually very short anyway.
Regards
Tom
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Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#4 Posted : 09 April 2016 23:24:09(UTC)
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It happens in all industries that these days parts are available in very limited quantities and when they are gone that's it! To that you have to add that some parts are priced in a way that makes it to expensive to make repairs and you might be better of buying another loco second hand. Fortunately when it comes to old Marklin 70,80's a lot of the things that breake are available. The newer stuff can be much harder and there are many exclusive things like decoders for particular locos that you'll never be able to obtain and you'll be forced to make modifications.
If you are lucky and have a good dealer some common parts are very cheap others no longer available from M are being reproduced and sold on ebay and other places, there is a bit of light at the end of the tunnel at least for some.
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Offline Minok  
#5 Posted : 10 April 2016 10:02:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post


My brother in law drives a Mercedes C class of 10 years old,very nice car inside and out,he bought the windshield spraypump at the scrapyard for near to nothing.

Cheers,
Paul


Though for high end products like Mercedes Benz cars you CAN still bet spare parts for 49 or 50 year old cars. But for models that cost $250 not so much.

To the OP, the benefit of an exploded parts diagram with numbered parts is even if no spares are available you can at leas reeder to the parts by number when discussing them, rather than ambiguous descriptions.
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Offline Shamu  
#6 Posted : 11 April 2016 06:56:57(UTC)
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Only last night I stumbled across a dealer on eBay I had never seen before, "Toy-Shop Mittelrhein".

I won't say they have everything but I managed to pickup some parts that I have been chasing for ages. They list around 500 items that I would class as the fiddly bits and the prices are good and the postage to OZ at least is less than what domestic postage would cost.

Worth checking out.

EDIT;

I just noticed that it can be a right pain to find sellers by their shop name so here is the link to the sellers page...

Toy-Shop Mittelrhein

Well who would have thunk it...... Just got a €3.66 refund on the postage so they only charged me €9 for postage to OZ.

They have just won my business, well for item that they have that I want Laugh

Edited by user 14 April 2016 09:28:43(UTC)  | Reason: Added link to Seller

Sad when its cheaper to buy a new 29640 starter set from Germany than a CS2 on its own in Oz, welcome to the joys of Marklin down under .
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Offline mike c  
#7 Posted : 11 April 2016 18:21:09(UTC)
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Here are some sources for spare parts:

Ritter-Restaurationen ritter-restaurationen.de
APC-Miniaturmodell apc-miniaturmodell.de
Amiba buco-hag-maerklin-ersatzteile.ch

You can also try Alex Stelzer through Maerklin.ch service

Regards

Mike C
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Offline NS1200  
#8 Posted : 12 April 2016 17:40:38(UTC)
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I suspect/presume that at least part of the parties offering spareparts for older items are in fact "scrapyards" of Marklin stuff which ended in the bin.
There is nothing wrong with that.
If the factory does not have it,how do these people source their parts?
When walking around at modeltrainfairs,you find the "celler category" usually at groundfloorlevel,cartons with unidentified and/or damaged rollingstock.
Such items would still be good enough to collect selected parts,right?

As long as we know where to find it,we are safe.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#9 Posted : 12 April 2016 22:19:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
I suspect/presume that at least part of the parties offering spareparts for older items are in fact "scrapyards" of Marklin stuff which ended in the bin.
There is nothing wrong with that.
If the factory does not have it,how do these people source their parts?



There'll be some old stock still around in fact ritter seems` to have plenty of it but that is not all. There are people actually making parts, these days if you have the knowledge making/copying parts in plastic, rubber is easier than ever, metal remains a bit more challenging but it is still easier for someone with the ability because of newer products that make possible backyard operations which were unthinkable in the past
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Offline NS1200  
#10 Posted : 13 April 2016 11:48:48(UTC)
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Making spareparts,in particular metal parts,comes at a price,question is whether you/we want to pay that.
If it arrives in a neutral jiffybag or seetrue plastic bag without Marklin logo,you know it did not come from Marklin stocks.

If have ordered on Ebay.de a shortcoupling for my Marklin F7 units,price is Euro 6.50 for a simple piece of flat metal and two tiny bolts.

What I am trying to say is:everything comes at a price.

Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline Iamnotthecrazyone  
#11 Posted : 13 April 2016 13:48:51(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Making spareparts,in particular metal parts,comes at a price,question is whether you/we want to pay that.
If it arrives in a neutral jiffybag or seetrue plastic bag without Marklin logo,you know it did not come from Marklin stocks.

If have ordered on Ebay.de a shortcoupling for my Marklin F7 units,price is Euro 6.50 for a simple piece of flat metal and two tiny bolts.

What I am trying to say is:everything comes at a price.



Nobody better than me to know everything comes at a price but sometimes is worth it others may not be but if you want it bad enough you'll do it. Look at this old thread, towards the end you'll find some parts I made in metal, they weren't perfect but usable, I later made a better one but because I have too many things going on I have never finished it. I have made lots of things in plastic but is generally more convenient to buy from someone else who is making it as a business, it tends to be cheaper than making it myself no need to mention the time.

link to old thread
Offline NS1200  
#12 Posted : 13 April 2016 19:46:41(UTC)
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I have no desire whatsoever to make parts myself.
Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#13 Posted : 14 April 2016 13:35:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: NS1200 Go to Quoted Post
Compare this issue with having an old car,say 10 years old,would you try to obtain parts from the maker (for example Ford)


I have a 30 year old Ford (Sierra RS Cosworth) and most parts for it are still available, even if I have to get them from the UK rather than source locally. Some parts are still available from Ford, but there are other manufacturers who make and supply them. Some parts aren't available though, and these have to be sourced usually off other wrecked vehicles (some body parts and also the oil cooler that sits underneath the oil filter are some examples).
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