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Offline Tom Jessop  
#1 Posted : 02 February 2016 01:51:45(UTC)
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I'm not sure when the MMl started , Late 80's maybe, probably mid 90's would be more like it ? For memory I found the site just after I changed jobs in 1988 . The MML was hosted on a Netherlands University site & considering the time frame ran very well with no ribbons or bows attached , just a old fashioned chat group & that's all it was . In 1998 The Fd & my self were on a 3 month holiday in the USA & then Europe & when we got back to OZ in 1999, it was no more

Is there any achieves of these original pages , it would be nice to see who , what & where was on it back in the early days of the internet & using dial up for conection ,slow computers with no memory compared to today & best of who from here was on the Original Marklin enthusiast's site which made things so much easier than using snail mail to Europe & waiting for a answer from Mother "M"which could take 6 months or more from down under.


Who else was on there back in the old days when most of us were still youngsters .


Cheers Tom in Oz
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#2 Posted : 02 February 2016 02:50:56(UTC)
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I know Cookee_nz was on the MML. I believe the MML was taken down after heated comments were exchanged between various members over 9/11 and these comments escalated to the extent that the university authorities became aware of the site, after which it was taken down.

There are a few folks here that were active on the MML at the time and I'm sure they will know the full story better than I do.
Offline xxup  
#3 Posted : 02 February 2016 03:07:07(UTC)
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But 9/11 was in 2001. What happened between 1999 and 2001 or has Tom got his dates wrong?
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Offline Tom Jessop  
#4 Posted : 02 February 2016 04:23:04(UTC)
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Adrian , I could have my dates very wrong ,just going on when we were away on holidays which was November 1998 till Feb 99 . I can remember there was a few words passed between a few members & then all of a sudden the MMl was gone . Maybe it could have been the holiday we had after the 98/99 one we did . Just looked thru the travel diaries& it may have well been 2002 mid year which would explain the 9/11 problem & the University finding out about the site for MMl.


Goes to show ,check facts first before engaging brain .


Cheers Tom in Oz ,now banished to the think tank for a few hours.
Offline Bigdaddynz  
#5 Posted : 02 February 2016 05:12:22(UTC)
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Here's a thread on another forum dated mid September 2001 where Stefan Unholz (also a member here) is asking where is the MML - http://www.worldrailfans...rklin-mailing-list-gone/

Also this 2004 thread - http://www.worldrailfans...n-mailing-list-mml-dead/ - Note Juhan's comment in that thread.
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Offline Unholz  
#6 Posted : 02 February 2016 05:57:30(UTC)
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Great thread, thanks for creating it! ThumpUp And thanks to both links my corrupted memory regarding the events that caused the "revolution" within the MML is now also restored. Even some of the names in the Worldrailfans threads seem familiar - wasn't Kevin Brady one of the guys who started the Bar & Grill thing?

If I remember correctly, I joined the MML in 1996, and among the frequent contributors in those days I recall L. H. and Dr. König from Germany. Perhaps more will come back with the reports of others.

Aaaah, truly good old days - the web was almost a slightly enlarged family then... Wub
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Offline Tom Jessop  
#7 Posted : 02 February 2016 06:30:55(UTC)
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I just checked the B&G of which I am also a member & it started in September 2001 . At the moment I cannot access the archives to see what the first few messages relate to .


Cheers Tom in Oz
Offline PJMärklin  
#8 Posted : 02 February 2016 08:01:42(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I know Cookee_nz was on the MML. I believe the MML was taken down after heated comments were exchanged between various members over 9/11 and these comments escalated to the extent that the university authorities became aware of the site, after which it was taken down.

There are a few folks here that were active on the MML at the time and I'm sure they will know the full story better than I do.


I recall that a few chaps refused to refrain from breaching the chat group rules of etiquette, particularly that of no international politics (i.e. derogatory comments that would be offensive to others)
After this happening a few times after warnings the bloke who ran it from the university in The Netherlands precipitously shut it down.
It happened before 9/11, as I recall.

I do see names on this forum I recall from the MML days.

Regards,

PJ

Edit : my recollection re timing obviously incorrect (a Nev "senior moment"?)
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Offline Unholz  
#9 Posted : 02 February 2016 08:28:41(UTC)
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Surprisingly, I just found a link on an (official?) Marklin site encouraging subscription to Fred van Dijk's MML: Wink
http://www.marklin.com/tech/digital1/support.html
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#10 Posted : 02 February 2016 09:57:55(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
.....wasn't Kevin Brady one of the guys who started the Bar & Grill thing?


Yes that is correct. Kevin goes by the name 'Dr Dirt' (due to his skills in weathering things) and is still a member here, although he hasn't posted for a while.
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Offline Tom Jessop  
#11 Posted : 02 February 2016 11:37:32(UTC)
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I just checked to see when our dear webmaster joined the group . If going by his profile , this great site started on the 25/07/01 , this is before the MML melt down . I joined on the 14 /12/02 .


Cheers Tom in Oz
Offline RayF  
#12 Posted : 02 February 2016 13:21:57(UTC)
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I remember finding the Marklin B&G when I was looking for Marklin stuff online years ago. I may also have discovered the MML at the time.

It was a mention on the B&G that drew my attention to this forum, and I quickly abandonned all others in favour of it. For a while I kept an eye on the B&G but found it too casual and rambling for my taste. I prefer to keep the talk to specific train matters and especially realting to Marklin and other 3 rail models.

When a major argument here sparked off a rival forum a few years back (The Marklin Cave) I initially tried to keep track of both, as I liked the people in both camps and didn't want to let either go. Eventually I started dipping less and less into the Cave as I was finding that I was repeating myself, very often to the same people anyway!

I also keep an eye on the Marklin-users Facebook site, but I only use it for light entertainment when there's nothing of interest on the forum. I find Facebook poorly structured and it's impossible to find specific threads after a few days.
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Offline amartinezv  
#13 Posted : 02 February 2016 14:17:09(UTC)
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Hello

I found the MML in the 90's, maybe in 94 or 95, and I joined the list, I remember that in 1996 I had a customer and every day I connected my laptop through a 56K modem to download all the messages, then if I could, I spend a lot of time reading all the messages, I learned a lot and some names started to be familiar to me, in that time and I don't know why, there was, from time to time, some "war flames",This also happens in other lists, normally Fred or some other managers had to intervene until it reappeared another.
Do not forget that the MML was physically on servers in a Dutch university, of Utwente when 9/11 happened there was all kinds of comments, it was normal, but that could cause problems for administrators, they decided then close the MML temporarily, and believe in Yahoo groups, the Marklin Bar & Grill, then MML continued to operate until 2005 that finally closed, the last message that I have is June 2, 2005.

And yes, in the web site of marklin germany they recommended the very expertise os MML, also the was a lot of links to personal webs frome the marklin web site.

old times good times
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Offline H0  
#14 Posted : 02 February 2016 17:34:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Surprisingly, I just found a link on an (official?) Marklin site encouraging subscription to Fred van Dijk's MML: Wink
http://www.marklin.com/tech/digital1/support.html
And at the bottom of the page (footer) they celebrate 140 years of Märklin.
An official site, but a bit of a time machine.

Regards
Tom
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Offline grnwtrs  
#15 Posted : 02 February 2016 18:01:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tom Jessop Go to Quoted Post
I'm not sure when the MMl started , Late 80's maybe, probably mid 90's would be more like it ? For memory I found the site just after I changed jobs in 1988 . The MML was hosted on a Netherlands University site & considering the time frame ran very well with no ribbons or bows attached , just a old fashioned chat group & that's all it was . In 1998 The Fd & my self were on a 3 month holiday in the USA & then Europe & when we got back to OZ in 1999, it was no more

Is there any achieves of these original pages , it would be nice to see who , what & where was on it back in the early days of the internet & using dial up for conection ,slow computers with no memory compared to today & best of who from here was on the Original Marklin enthusiast's site which made things so much easier than using snail mail to Europe & waiting for a answer from Mother "M"which could take 6 months or more from down under.


Who else was on there back in the old days when most of us were still youngsters .


Cheers Tom in Oz


Great minds think alike!! Unfortunately I don't have one. Sorry! BigGrin

My reason for yearning for the great MML is because I can't log in to the Marklin Bar & Grill.
Least ways since Yahoo has this obsession with the password.

I just upgraded my computer to a new desktop for Win 10, also for the I7 thingie.
Now when I tried to go to the Bar & Grill, I can't log in.
First its the password, then the email account, then its back to the password, etc
After the 2 weeks on a intermittent basis, I finally gave up.

The B & G has lost a lot of conversations, and interesting subjects, mostly for the analogue specialist crowds.
The one conversation that most stood out was one of the participants method of "Testing" the proposed platinum lok.
Very funny! Very good humor. BigGrin

At times I would put some of activity on a "floppy" for reading offline.
As with this forum, I was late to the MML, I did not start until around March 1995.

Thanks to all for bringing this subject up.

Regards,
gene
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Offline Webmaster  
#16 Posted : 02 February 2016 18:52:44(UTC)
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Fred started the MML in 1994 while he was a student at the Twente University.
MML lasted until around late 2001/early 2002.

I was MML member #6 if I remember correctly... Well, maybe I don't and it could be as high as max #16 or such...

This forum was initially meant to be an online alternative to MML...

After 9/11, the discussions became rather non-mrr and Fred's efforts to keep it "on track" were not appreciated
in the aftermath of 9/11, esp by US participants, so an alternative Yahoo mail group (Marklin B&G) was started shortly
after this forum went online in 2001. We are both still alive & kickin'... And both are on Facebook too...

Quite a few members here were also active in the MML back in those days.
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline xxup  
#17 Posted : 02 February 2016 22:07:35(UTC)
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What happened to Fred?
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Offline kiwiAlan  
#18 Posted : 02 February 2016 22:22:50(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
Fred started the MML in 1994 while he was a student at the Twente University.
MML lasted until around late 2001/early 2002.


Was it that late it started? I thought it was earlier than that. I must have been one of the early members too then. I found the MML by doing a Yahoo search for 'Marklin' and came up with a bunch of messages, so I joined the group. Back then Yahoo was a search engine before Google came along.




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Offline Nigel Packer  
#19 Posted : 02 February 2016 23:20:51(UTC)
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I have some messages (digests) from the MML going back to 1996, so I must have joined it then!

Nigel
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Offline clapcott  
#20 Posted : 02 February 2016 23:57:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Webmaster Go to Quoted Post
MML lasted until around late 2001/early 2002.
I cannot speak to the "breaks in transmission" but something called the MML from marklin@scintilla.utwente.nl was still operating up to 2005 , at least.

One interesting post from Aug2004 , was from Fred who , while on holiday, posted that a server harddisk had failed.
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Offline Mark5  
#21 Posted : 03 February 2016 03:33:01(UTC)
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Hello Nigel,

Would you be able to post a zip file of your digests for the benefit of posterity here on the forum?

Guessing this was all email based and therefore not available on the wayback machine? (now at http://archive.org/web/ )

- Mark



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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#22 Posted : 03 February 2016 04:34:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
....therefore not available on the wayback machine? (now at http://archive.org/web/ )


There are snapshots of the MML available then, I found one from 2001 - the url to use is http://www.scintilla.utwente.nl/marklin/

Here's an archive post from our friend Lutz Hemmerich...... http://web.archive.org/w...ive/June01/msg00171.html
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#23 Posted : 03 February 2016 09:30:46(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Hello Nigel,

Would you be able to post a zip file of your digests for the benefit of posterity here on the forum?

Guessing this was all email based and therefore not available on the wayback machine? (now at http://archive.org/web/ )

- Mark


Hi Mark,

I'll have a look at doing some of that. I have hundreds of the digests, but they are text files and mixed up with other stuff from the time.

Don't hold your breath!

Nigel
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#24 Posted : 03 February 2016 10:04:19(UTC)
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You should be able to find most stuff that was on the MML here (archive is up to and including December 2002) - http://web.archive.org/w...ente.nl/marklin/archive/
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Offline Unholz  
#25 Posted : 03 February 2016 10:11:42(UTC)
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Thanks indeed for this link - I even found my very first posting of March 3, 1996. ThumpUp Plus so many names still familiar... Smile
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#26 Posted : 03 February 2016 10:16:07(UTC)
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And here's a message from Jacques Vuye re the events of 9/11 and Fred van Dijk's response to that, and a message as to why Fred decided to take the MML offline for a time.

http://web.archive.org/w...eptember01/msg00275.html

Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Plus so many names still familiar... Smile


Yes there are!

In a brief bit of browsing I came across

- Your Good Self
- Lutz Hemmerich
- Steve Cook
- John Woodall (Steve and John are members here and members of our Marklin Club)
- Jacques Vuye
- Dave Pryor
- Kevin Brady
- Nigel Packer
- MRMARKLIN
- Tom Catherall
- Lars Westerland
- Juhan
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Offline Tom Jessop  
#27 Posted : 03 February 2016 11:33:32(UTC)
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Well these archive pages are going to make some nice reading for a wet weekend . Some well known names pop up frequently & some have disappeared over the years . Thanks for posting the link .

Cheers Tom in Oz
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#28 Posted : 03 February 2016 15:43:28(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Hello Nigel,

Would you be able to post a zip file of your digests for the benefit of posterity here on the forum?

Guessing this was all email based and therefore not available on the wayback machine? (now at http://archive.org/web/ )

- Mark


Hi Mark,

I'll have a look at doing some of that. I have hundreds of the digests, but they are text files and mixed up with other stuff from the time.

Don't hold your breath!

Nigel



I'll leave you to read the posts on archive.org, if that's OK!

Nigel
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Offline Mark5  
#29 Posted : 03 February 2016 18:15:50(UTC)
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Hi Nigel,
Thanks for the offer Nigel. Please do keep in mind that it would be good to make sure you keep the digests backed up.
Many of the links on the wayback machine lead to error messages for posts that were not archived in time.
So far, you may be the only source for this important bit of collector history.

To all,

That said, from what I have read on the wayback machine, it is very interesting.
And actually quite moving to read the posts from Sept. 11, 2001. Reminds me to show my girls a good documentary of the events.

One thing that I got out of reading the posts, is that the value of the format of this M-Users forum as opposed to an email list. Here you can more easily survey the items that are particular to one's own interest and research, rather than having to read every message. Just to re-iterate what has been already stated on m-users, keywords and thoughtful titles for posts are absolutely critical to sharing information.

This thread has helped dig up another great resource.
Thanks to all.
- Mark

Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Hello Nigel,
Would you be able to post a zip file of your digests for the benefit of posterity here on the forum?
Guessing this was all email based and therefore not available on the wayback machine? (now at http://archive.org/web/ )
- Mark

Hi Mark,
I'll have a look at doing some of that. I have hundreds of the digests, but they are text files and mixed up with other stuff from the time.
Don't hold your breath!
Nigel

I'll leave you to read the posts on archive.org, if that's OK!
Nigel


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Offline Nigel Packer  
#30 Posted : 05 February 2016 16:23:52(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Nigel,

So far, you may be the only source for this important bit of collector history.





Hi Mark,

OK, here's a sample:

MML Digests from 2001


The digest files are a mixture of TXT files and PDFs, due to a quirk of the technology I was using at the time.

Let me know if you find this useful, as it took me quite a lot of time to organise the files!

Nigel
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Offline Mark5  
#31 Posted : 05 February 2016 20:05:49(UTC)
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Hello Nigel,

This is great. I actually prefer to read it sequentially as you have done it.
Your PDF files seen to cover things, although some of the txt files seem to have gaps.

I will look more closely when I get the time.
Thank you so much for taking the time.
- Mark

Originally Posted by: Nigel Packer Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Hi Nigel,

So far, you may be the only source for this important bit of collector history.





Hi Mark,

OK, here's a sample:

MML Digests from 2001


The digest files are a mixture of TXT files and PDFs, due to a quirk of the technology I was using at the time.

Let me know if you find this useful, as it took me quite a lot of time to organise the files!

Nigel


DB DR FS NS SNCF c. 1950-65, fan of station architecture esp. from 1920-70.
In single point perspective, where do track lines meet?
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Offline Nigel Packer  
#32 Posted : 05 February 2016 23:32:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark5 Go to Quoted Post
Hello Nigel,

This is great. I actually prefer to read it sequentially as you have done it.
Your PDF files seen to cover things, although some of the txt files seem to have gaps.

I will look more closely when I get the time.
Thank you so much for taking the time.
- Mark



Hi Mark,

I haven't edited any of the files. They are exactly as distributed by the MML server at the time. If there's anything missing, then it was never sent as part of the digest service.

Nigel
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Offline Webmaster  
#33 Posted : 05 February 2016 23:48:00(UTC)
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You know, Fred visited me in Sweden several times during the later MML days, also when this forum had started, and we had nice talks about everything - including Märklin.
He was employed by Märklin NL for a while and could share some interesting info about the Göppingen staff and management of those times...

His co-moderator in the later era (Dirkjaan) kept it going for a while after Fred had left the Twente University...

It was Kevin and JJ who started the B&G Yahoo mail group. I suggested that we should go for this forum but the group was started so I was left on "my own" back then.

So far, I think this forum has been very successful due to persistence and most of all thanks to its great members..
We are way ahead of any other internationally orientated groups/forums regarding news, technical info and such thanks to our alert members...
Many links from the German "Stummi's" are directed here, especially for news stuff, even if some members over there think we are a rouge and non-serious forum since we are not German...

I myself believe persistence will prevail, and that we are the best international source of Märklin information in English for both "newbies" and "pros".
Otherwise I would not have kept it alive for 15 years (in September). The best thing with the forum is that it has facilitated personal members meets
around the world. That's what was one of the reasons to start it, to make it possible for Märklin model railroaders to get to know eachother around the world...

Nowadays we have more online resources to get info than in the MML days, and that is great! Back then, MML was the only way to connect with others
so a fantastic dedicated pioneering work was done by Fred in the 90's.

I have the MML archives somewhere too, with Fred's blessing...
Juhan - "Webmaster", at your service...
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Offline Unholz  
#34 Posted : 05 August 2017 19:25:30(UTC)
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Sorry, I am aware that this is not exactly the right discussion thread, but does anybody know what has happened to John Oxlade's forum Worldraifans.info? Has it moved to a new location or vanished? I seem to be getting nothing else than "not found" messages.
Offline jcrtrains  
#35 Posted : 06 August 2017 03:25:48(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Sorry, I am aware that this is not exactly the right discussion thread, but does anybody know what has happened to John Oxlade's forum Worldraifans.info? Has it moved to a new location or vanished? I seem to be getting nothing else than "not found" messages.


I checked on something there about a month ago. However, it now seems to be offline at a minimum. There have been periods of web hosting moves in the past that created quite a bit of downtime.
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#36 Posted : 05 July 2021 15:46:33(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post

If I remember correctly, I joined the MML in 1996, and among the frequent contributors in those days I recall L. H. and Dr. König from Germany.

Shifting me into a slight nostalgia mood: I just happened to see today that Dr. König joined the Stummi forum a couple of days ago. Smile So one more of the "very early birds" is still around. ThumpUp
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#37 Posted : 05 July 2021 20:53:38(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Unholz Go to Quoted Post

If I remember correctly, I joined the MML in 1996, and among the frequent contributors in those days I recall L. H. and Dr. König from Germany.

Shifting me into a slight nostalgia mood: I just happened to see today that Dr. König joined the Stummi forum a couple of days ago. Smile So one more of the "very early birds" is still around. ThumpUp


Herr Doktor will no doubt be pleased at the huge advances in online translation.

I well remember a post that someone did, Carsten if I recall, and Dr König exploded with frustration that he'd spent several hours with a dictionary translating it word by word, only to find it was actually something along the lines of one of the Christmas tales Carsten was so good at.

Apparently such trivia was beneath our esteemed colleague......

Cookee

You had to be there, they were interesting days.

Wonder if Marout will surface some time....
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#38 Posted : 05 July 2021 21:13:00(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post

I well remember a post that someone did, Carsten if I recall, and Dr König exploded with frustration that he'd spent several hours with a dictionary translating it word by word, only to find it was actually something along the lines of one of the Christmas tales Carsten was so good at.


well, that is strange, as he speaks quite good English. I have met him at at least the last three IMA meetings, along with his son.

Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post

Wonder if Marout will surface some time....


Grief, now that is a blast from the past. Huh Blink Mellow

I'm trying to think when I first got on the MML, it would have been pretty soon after the Internet arrived in NZ.

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#39 Posted : 06 July 2021 04:20:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: kiwiAlan Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post

I well remember a post that someone did, Carsten if I recall, and Dr König exploded with frustration that he'd spent several hours with a dictionary translating it word by word, only to find it was actually something along the lines of one of the Christmas tales Carsten was so good at.


well, that is strange, as he speaks quite good English. I have met him at at least the last three IMA meetings, along with his son.

Originally Posted by: cookee_nz Go to Quoted Post

Wonder if Marout will surface some time....


Grief, now that is a blast from the past. Huh Blink Mellow

I'm trying to think when I first got on the MML, it would have been pretty soon after the Internet arrived in NZ.



I wish I could find the posting, I have quite a few of the former MML messages thanks to various kind souls but they are not all that easy to search on and no doubt the specific one I wanted would be the one I don't have. But I have browsed them from time to time and boy oh boy they are a hoot.

Yes I was aware he was familiar with English, he generally held his own very well on the English-speaking MML so I suspect the item I'm referring to may have used a number of words or a structure that was perhaps not so obvious to someone less fluent? Or (just as likely), my memory is being mischievous with me and I've got it completely wrong!!

Anything is possible and as I age, I realise the best therapy is to be able to laugh at myself. Laugh


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#40 Posted : 06 July 2021 15:34:25(UTC)
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I think I also joined MML about 1996 or so.

We had recently moved to the USA and noticed a member indicated he lived in the next town over so I made contact and got met a nice group of people in a local chapter of the ETE
The MML is where I first heard about the Intellibox and the inventors were in the group too I think.
I also recall the eruption of emotion after 9/11 and Kevin went off and started the B&G after that.

At some stage I got tired of the bickering and I bailed out of the MML and I joined this forum in 2006.
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#41 Posted : 06 July 2021 18:10:22(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DaleSchultz Go to Quoted Post

The MML is where I first heard about the Intellibox and the inventors were in the group too I think.

Sure - the name Stefano Chiti-Batelli still comes to my mind. Smile

1996 or 1997 must have been the year I joined.
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