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NS1200		#1 Posted : 22 December 2015 04:20:46(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		In my youth i totally by surprise received a Christmas present from my mother,the Marklin 4621 Large Volume Tankcar. I found it a mysterious car,the purpose of the strange shape was unknown to me,it almost looked military to me. The car was lost over time but some years back i bought another at a fair because of nostalgic reasons,my mother passed away in 2003. Much later i found out that these cars were used to carry heated fuel oil to depots where oil fired steamers were based. The oil was heated to make it more fluid so as to facilitate easy pumping into storage tanks. The same thing is done on ocean going vessels,heated bunker tanks ensure that very thick crude oil can be pumped to the engines. The funny shape was caused by the insulation so as to reduce heath loss during transport. http://www.mymarklin.com.../11/Marklin-4621-2-2.jpg Pictures of the actual DB prototype are very rare,but now i found one! http://www.s1gf.de/index...f9692019f0b1e4308dc939ff Not so long ago Marklin issued a set of 3 as M 47906,nice set for any H0 DB steamdepot! http://www.dansibar.com/...rGBshops01/GuB2991-1.jpg Learning all the time.......
		Have more than you show,speak less than you know (Shakespeare).

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jvuye		#2 Posted : 22 December 2015 09:06:31(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 01/03/2008(UTC) Posts: 2,881 Location: South Western France		Yes , quite an unusual looking vehicle, and one among my favourites too. The real ones were actually very few (not sure exactly, but certainly less than 20) and they had to be disposed of very carefully because of the large quantities of asbestos used in the insulation. In the years I have accumulated these cars, and now they form a very long 40 cars train, with one "white" one every 9 "grey". So it's easy to count them. Highly un-prototypical, I admit, but do we care? Cheers
		Jacques Vuye aka Dr.Eisenbahn Once a vandal, learned to be better and had great success!

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RayF		#3 Posted : 22 December 2015 09:56:07(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/03/2005(UTC) Posts: 15,839 Location: Gibraltar, Europe		Thanks for the explanation. I've always wondered what these tankers were for and why the unusual shape. Now I must have one!
		Ray Mostly Marklin.Selection of different eras and European railways Small C track layout, control by MS2, 100+ trains but run 4-5 at a time.


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Markus Schild		#4 Posted : 22 December 2015 12:06:57(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi, Here you finde some more detailed informations about these tankers (in German), but with many photos: http://www.eisenbahndien...-259-262-loeschwagen.htm Regards Markus
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kiwiAlan		#5 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:10:28(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: Markus Schild Hi, Here you finde some more detailed informations about these tankers (in German), but with many photos: http://www.eisenbahndien...-259-262-loeschwagen.htm Regards Markus Interesting how the earlier ones were riveted, and the later ones welded. Includes pictures of Marklin models as well ... Not quite sure why they use one in the fire fighting train though. I would have thought an ordinary tanker would suffice, unless these have extra capacity. Do the tankers have on-board pumps, which in this case could be used to pump the water?


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Markus Schild		#6 Posted : 22 December 2015 15:23:56(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi Alan, The text says, that the cars were to young to scrap (only 16/17) when the steam-era ended in Germany and they became unemployed. They also weren't marketable. So they were used for water. I can imagine that also the insulation could have been a reason. It makes it easier to use them with water in hard winters without the danger of freezing. Regards Markus
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NS1200		#7 Posted : 22 December 2015 19:44:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Thanks for the superb pictures,Markus! I like them really weathered. Interesting to note that the red Bahnfeuerwehr (Railwayfirebrigade) version was in actual use,i sofar got the impression the Marklin 47911 was just fantasy.
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kiwiAlan		#8 Posted : 22 December 2015 22:58:00(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 23/07/2014(UTC) Posts: 8,109 Location: ENGLAND, Didcot		Originally Posted by: NS1200 Thanks for the superb pictures,Markus! I like them really weathered. Interesting to note that the red Bahnfeuerwehr (Railwayfirebrigade) version was in actual use,i sofar got the impression the Marklin 47911 was just fantasy. Well, it was in use in a training exercise, was what I took from the pictures. But yes, I always thought it was a figment of someones imagination too, so they could reuse existing items for yet another wagon. Like you I am impressed that they researched it to make a model.


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NS1200		#9 Posted : 23 December 2015 07:53:24(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 10/08/2009(UTC) Posts: 3,443		Yeah,could have been a training excercise but it comes very handy in case of a real fire along the track,some places are impossible to reach with a firetruck by road. Especially during summertime you have the occasional bush fires along the track,one single spark is sufficient.
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Markus Schild		#10 Posted : 23 December 2015 10:31:25(UTC) Retweet
Joined: 14/01/2006(UTC) Posts: 1,802 Location: Wurttemberg		Hi, The photos which shows the fire-lighters are taken at real wildfire twelve years ago. The use of the car was widely discussed in German forums in these days. About 50 hectars of forest (~125 acres) between Eschede and Unterlüss were on fire. The are is known for heavy forest-fires, the largest was in 1975: https://en.wikipedia.org..._the_L%C3%BCneburg_Heath . Regards Markus
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