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Offline Goofy  
#1 Posted : 08 November 2015 14:47:26(UTC)
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Do somebody here knows,if there is video show somebody do have this new generation decoder installed in the locomotive?
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Offline Goofy  
#2 Posted : 23 November 2015 18:48:42(UTC)
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Nothing news about mSD3!??
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Offline Bigdaddynz  
#3 Posted : 23 November 2015 20:32:17(UTC)
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I'm sure there will eventually be articles in the Marklin Magazine.
Offline stevend  
#4 Posted : 23 November 2015 21:00:21(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bigdaddynz Go to Quoted Post
I'm sure there will eventually be articles in the Marklin Magazine.


We'll have some in stock in a couple of weeks : ).

I have the programmers already : ).

Kind Regards
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#5 Posted : 24 November 2015 06:22:34(UTC)
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I have one msd3 installed in an ER20 "Hercules". I can make a video of it, but what do you want to see? Because it sounds the same. Let me know.
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Offline Goofy  
#6 Posted : 24 November 2015 06:29:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
I have one msd3 installed in an ER20 "Hercules". I can make a video of it, but what do you want to see? Because it sounds the same. Let me know.


To see and know difference between the old mfx and the new mfx 3.
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Offline H0  
#7 Posted : 24 November 2015 07:52:59(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
Because it sounds the same.
Good to know, thanks!
Are there any notable differences with respect to load regulation? How about automatic calibration?
Do you have other Hobby locos with the older MSD for comparison?

Regards
Tom
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#8 Posted : 24 November 2015 08:03:24(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
Because it sounds the same.
Good to know, thanks!
Are there any notable differences with respect to load regulation? How about automatic calibration?
Do you have other Hobby locos with the older MSD for comparison?

Actually, yes, I do. I can make a video of that. I have one in a Ludmilla, the motor should be the same, so it should give us some insight.

With regards to the sounds, it seems, at least to me, that they have "just" converted the old sound scheme into the new one. I am not a sound-loco-person, so I am not sure about this, but it sounds just like every other loco.

With regards to the running conditions, it seems, again at least to me, like the new decoder is able to control the hobby-motor much better than previously. The loco runs extremely smooth. I will compare it to an older MSD.

With regards to the automatic calibration: I was under the impression that this would happen when the loco got onto the track. It did not. I have yet to test that, if I can figure out to start it "manually".

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Offline H0  
#9 Posted : 24 November 2015 08:43:40(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
I will compare it to an older MSD.
In my experience the old MSD works best with those "special" Hobby motors when set to c90 mode (not DC soft or DC hard). You cannot make this adjustment with factory-installed decoders as they ignore changes to the motor type CV.

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Offline sjlauritsen  
#10 Posted : 24 November 2015 08:46:44(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: H0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post
I will compare it to an older MSD.
In my experience the old MSD works best with those "special" Hobby motors when set to c90 mode (not DC soft or DC hard). You cannot make this adjustment with factory-installed decoders as they ignore changes to the motor type CV.

That is my experience as well. My Ludmilla has the #60948 installed as described in my review http://railway.zone/post...in-a-class-234-from-trix

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Offline clapcott  
#11 Posted : 24 November 2015 09:59:32(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: sjlauritsen Go to Quoted Post

With regards to the automatic calibration: I was under the impression that this would happen when the loco got onto the track. It did not. I have yet to test that, if I can figure out to start it "manually".

The actually calibration steps may proceed in an automated manner, however the initiation of the calibration is manual.


As per manual (pg 30) this is initiated by setting
- CV7 to 77
- Then when you change the throttle (to anything) it commences its sequence which takes about a minute.

Note: the instructions expect you to know what type of motor you are using and to set that value before commencing calibration.

Further, they say if the calibration does not meet your requirements you can tweak the CVs anyway..

I do think this is less for the Marklinist with a Marklin loco (and motor) than a push into the bigger market where the variety of motor types is extensive and performance matching is still a matter of trial and error.
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#12 Posted : 24 November 2015 10:18:56(UTC)
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As per manual (pg 30) this is initiated by setting
- CV7 to 77
- Then when you change the throttle (to anything) it commences its sequence which takes about a minute.

Cool thanks! I completely missed that part.

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Note: the instructions expect you to know what type of motor you are using and to set that value before commencing calibration.

Bummer, I was hoping that this feature would render this part unnecessary. The motor type is always what confuses me the most, it seems like a guessing game. I almost always end up with c90.

Originally Posted by: clapcott Go to Quoted Post
Further, they say if the calibration does not meet your requirements you can tweak the CVs anyway..
I do think this is less for the Marklinist with a Marklin loco (and motor) than a push into the bigger market where the variety of motor types is extensive and performance matching is still a matter of trial and error.

Yeah, I think of it as the Märklin-equivalent of a similar feature in the LokPilot/LokSound 4.0.



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Offline clapcott  
#13 Posted : 24 November 2015 11:18:21(UTC)
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Offline sjlauritsen  
#14 Posted : 25 November 2015 11:06:04(UTC)
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Here is a video of a ER20 as run by an mSD3. The locomotive is from the "Hobby" range and contains a "special motor" (3 pole with a flywheel, all axles powered). The video shows the out of box decoder settings. I have not tweaked anything.

I run the locomotive back and forth, and turn on some of the sound functions. The sound scheme includes all the standard sounds that we are used to, and they sound just like we are used to. It even includes a bell, but I have turned that one off for this loco. Sound is not that important to me, but it might be to some. I think the sound is fine, I value the running characteristics more.

The decoder installed is a #60978.


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Offline jorwes  
#15 Posted : 25 November 2015 22:29:32(UTC)
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I found a ad for a sale of a Märklin 33789 Swedish V5 diesel train original with Delta on the Swedish Tradera (similar to ebay), but the loco is rebuilt with mSD3 decoder and Telex.

Interesting ...especially the Telex part since that has been an issue to get working in a nice way on the MFX decoder.

Will be nice to see upcoming models from Märklin with this new decoders.
Offline sjlauritsen  
#16 Posted : 26 November 2015 17:38:50(UTC)
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This evening I compared the ER 20 to a class 234 (same motor) driven by an mSD1. I must say, that there is not much difference in the running conditions after all - if any. I have tweaked the 234, so there might be a slight difference when using only the factory settings. I have not tested that. The 234 is also a different construction, which some times have something to say. The motor is the same though. Both do not run well with the built-in permanently mounted factory decoder. No matter what replacement decoder you choose, you win a lot by replacing the factory decoder. The mSD kits make this an easy task.

Anyway, with regards to running conditions, you might not win much by using an mSD3 over an mSD1. IMO the mSD1 is still very good at controlling the motor. With regards to the sound possibilities you do get new options. The one I fancy the most is the ability to have a sound function activate a physical function. That is quite nice, and other sound decoders have had this feature for quite some time.

Here's a video of the mSD version 1 and the class 234.


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Offline Goofy  
#17 Posted : 26 November 2015 18:26:40(UTC)
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Not so much difference!
Thanks for the video Sören!
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Offline lurig33  
#18 Posted : 08 December 2015 19:59:35(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: jorwes Go to Quoted Post
I found a ad for a sale of a Märklin 33789 Swedish V5 diesel train original with Delta on the Swedish Tradera (similar to ebay), but the loco is rebuilt with mSD3 decoder and Telex.

Interesting ...especially the Telex part since that has been an issue to get working in a nice way on the MFX decoder.

Will be nice to see upcoming models from Märklin with this new decoders.


Hi!

I was the one who converted that loco, and I didn't have any problems with getting the telex to work(aux 3 and 4). I just put it as a momentary switch to avoid burning it.
You should also be able to program a whole decouple sequence with the new programming tool, but I didn't dive into that this time.

The new small speaker is one of the biggest selling point for this decoder since it is rectangular and small and can therefore be fitted easily everywhere.
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