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Offline Shane Morris  
#1 Posted : 04 October 2015 13:11:33(UTC)
Shane Morris


Joined: 03/10/2015(UTC)
Posts: 7
Hi all!

I represent a new Australian model train company named Trans-Siberian Models.

We are using a combination of traditional, and highly advanced modern manufacturing techniques to produce models of all Russian prototype. Our first model is the classic heavy hauler of the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the Vladimir Lenin 8 (VL8 - ВЛ8) in H0 scale.

Attached to this post is some shots of our 3D model files as rendered, and also of the pilot model which was printed today, and mounted on a Roco E44 donor mechanism. As you can see, our pilot model certainly needs quite a bit more work, it is not indicative of the final models quality - final models will have a far HIGHER quality!

Your choice of livery, body styles and associated relevant works plates, and options of couplers and ESU LokPilot DCC decoders fitted. Units will be powered by a high quality, high output German Buhler can motor, drive and pick up on all eight wheels of the powered "A" section, a weighted second "B" section, warm white LED headlights that operate in the direction of travel and non-functional pantographs.

Projected delivery lead time is between 12 and 24 months - we want to deliver a superior model to the market, and we hope all modellers who get it enjoy it for many, many years of operation. All models will be constructed in Australia, and ship from Australia.

Our website is under repair at present (the best laid plans...) but we have an active Facebook group, where we will be posting updates:

https://www.facebook.com...ups/transsiberianmodels/

Our Twitter handle is:

@TranssiberianM

Lastly, our email is:

transsiberianmodels@gmail.com

And we welcome your questions!

Many thanks everyone!

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Offline steventrain  
#2 Posted : 05 October 2015 20:55:03(UTC)
steventrain

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Is the 2-rails or 3-rails?

Do it run on min 360mm radius curved?
Large Marklinist 3- Rails Layout with CS2/MS2/Boosters/C-track/favorites Electric class E03/BR103, E18/E118, E94, Crocodiles/Steam BR01, BR03, BR05, BR23, BR44, BR50, Big Boy.
Offline Shane Morris  
#3 Posted : 09 October 2015 13:33:02(UTC)
Shane Morris


Joined: 03/10/2015(UTC)
Posts: 7
It'll be 2 rail. I don't do AC.

The radius - 360mm - I think its probably far too small for what is essentially, in 1:1 scale, a 27,000 odd mm long machine. I haven't gotten all my production specs just yet, I'm only running it on a rolling road. The key balance here is the size of the two body units over the rear of the units coupled together - too close, and you'll need a very large radius. Too far away, and they'll look unprototypical. As seen in the photos, the bogies of both "A" unit and "B" unit will be articulated like the real thing, and not coupled with a "traditional" coupler (NEM/ Kadee/ so on). These things were never designed to run as individual units (unlike 2TE10U or 2TE116 diesel locos).

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Those are the shots of the "A" unit on a Roco E44 test chassis. I've not done the adjustments for the "B" unit yet, or gotten the materials for its chassis. Those grey bogies will be printed in black ABS this week coming, and fitted to the "A" unit. I'm waiting on my production house in Sydney to get back to me with second stage test shells, which will also be 10mm longer than those printed shells in the photos - long weekend here this weekend gone, then I learn he is jetsetting to Las Vegas for CES. It appears he owes me a favour in any case.

Mods/ admins - did my notifications end up in my Spam? Or the "Promotions" part of my inbox? I'm going to look now, of course, but it was a bit odd I'd not received a notification to replies.

Many thanks!
Offline Hackcell  
#4 Posted : 09 October 2015 15:48:46(UTC)
Hackcell

Costa Rica   
Joined: 21/11/2013(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Shane Morris Go to Quoted Post
It'll be 2 rail. I don't do AC.

The radius - 360mm - I think its probably far too small for what is essentially, in 1:1 scale, a 27,000 odd mm long machine. I haven't gotten all my production specs just yet, I'm only running it on a rolling road. The key balance here is the size of the two body units over the rear of the units coupled together - too close, and you'll need a very large radius. Too far away, and they'll look unprototypical. As seen in the photos, the bogies of both "A" unit and "B" unit will be articulated like the real thing, and not coupled with a "traditional" coupler (NEM/ Kadee/ so on). These things were never designed to run as individual units (unlike 2TE10U or 2TE116 diesel locos).

12071383_518785071630821_2051377248_n.jpg
12053306_518785068297488_1388266712_n.jpg

Those are the shots of the "A" unit on a Roco E44 test chassis. I've not done the adjustments for the "B" unit yet, or gotten the materials for its chassis. Those grey bogies will be printed in black ABS this week coming, and fitted to the "A" unit. I'm waiting on my production house in Sydney to get back to me with second stage test shells, which will also be 10mm longer than those printed shells in the photos - long weekend here this weekend gone, then I learn he is jetsetting to Las Vegas for CES. It appears he owes me a favour in any case.

Mods/ admins - did my notifications end up in my Spam? Or the "Promotions" part of my inbox? I'm going to look now, of course, but it was a bit odd I'd not received a notification to replies.

Many thanks!


No 3 rail models? That plainly sucks.

Danilo Jiménez
Union Pacific and DB Cargo H0 models.
Märklin, Brawa, MTH and some Walthers cars (nobody is perfect!)
Pinball machines, jukeboxes and Horses.
Costa Rica, pura vida!!
Offline Shane Morris  
#5 Posted : 09 October 2015 16:36:13(UTC)
Shane Morris


Joined: 03/10/2015(UTC)
Posts: 7
Can you recommend me a supplier of decent, quality dual shaft AC can motors that are NOT of Chinese origin, well priced per unit and don't require an engineers degree to get working (a la coreless motors)? Because if you can, I'm all ears, and may reverse my stance. However, I know what a Chinese motor is like, all my Australian prototype, except my Australian brass, have Chinese can motors in them, and under normal load, I have blown them apart and turned the loco into a mushroom cloud of what was supposed to be inside the motor, in front of a shocked audience of onlookers at an exhibition. Quite embarrassing, I must add. And something I don't want to happen to my own customers, I'm far too honest for that. I'm sure you appreciate.
Offline kiwiAlan  
#6 Posted : 09 October 2015 18:09:37(UTC)
kiwiAlan

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Originally Posted by: Shane Morris Go to Quoted Post
Can you recommend me a supplier of decent, quality dual shaft AC can motors that are NOT of Chinese origin, well priced per unit and don't require an engineers degree to get working (a la coreless motors)? Because if you can, I'm all ears, and may reverse my stance. However, I know what a Chinese motor is like, all my Australian prototype, except my Australian brass, have Chinese can motors in them, and under normal load, I have blown them apart and turned the loco into a mushroom cloud of what was supposed to be inside the motor, in front of a shocked audience of onlookers at an exhibition. Quite embarrassing, I must add. And something I don't want to happen to my own customers, I'm far too honest for that. I'm sure you appreciate.


The Marklin 366xx series locos appear to be made with a set of bogies that will run on two rail or three rail, as the wheels on one side are insulated from the axles. I don't know how you would go getting a heap of chassis out of Marklin, but I would guess if the will was there, a way would be found.

Decoders such as ESU Loksound can auto-tune most motors, and the new Marklin mSD3 decoders have this facility as well, so using a motor such as a core-less one shouldn't be a problem to set up. Both decoders will run DCC as well as Marklin protocol. The Marklin decoders are as yet untried, but the ESU ones are reputed to work well when auto-tuning the motor.

I do like your loco, it reminds me very much of the one that took my single coach train across the border from Russia into Mongolia in 1997 - but that is a story on its own.

I am trying to work out just what scale you are building these to. You seem to be looking at using HO scale chassis, and running on 16.5mm gauge track, but that doesn't represent the Russian 5 foot something track, so the wheels will be somewhat too close together, rather like Hornby and other UK prototype locos in OO scale running on 16.5mm track. However it cannot be that much different to the handful of Russian prototype wagons that Marklin did a good few years back.

If you are looking for your next project, can I suggest the 4-bogie tanker I saw throughout Russia when we traveled there.
Offline Shane Morris  
#7 Posted : 09 October 2015 19:45:50(UTC)
Shane Morris


Joined: 03/10/2015(UTC)
Posts: 7
Ok. Some facts for the uninitiated.

There is no such thing as a scale representation of Russian broad gauge. At least that I am aware of. For a Westerner, I'm pretty well educated about Russian models. If you doubt me, this guy has been in business longer than me:

http://www.redstarrailways.com/

And in my time I've modelled Russian railways (since 2008), no one in Russia, the Ukraine, or the countries of the former Eastern Bloc have ever made a mention of the precise gauge of the track, let alone Chris in the US. My target market? They're worried about the models being Russian prototype. They're worried the models will run reliably. And they're worried their models will run on layouts that run, at present, 16.5 mm gauge Deutsche Bahn models. And guess what? I deliver exactly what they want. This is what market research is meant for.

I'm going back to this E69 model I'm trying to reproduce as a test, from H0 scale model form, to H0 scale model form, using my new 3D photocopying technology so I can spray it in Soviet dark green, to model the E69s taken as repatriations after the Great Patriotic War on a Piko 1970s pancake motor chassis. A friend in Latvia put me onto the info in V. A. Rakov's brilliant books.

We also have a model program for the next year. Like our friends, the European manufacturers, you'll have to wait some. I promise, not as much as Heris, however. God only knows I got sick of their endless promises, so I just thought I'd do it myself. (I've ended romantic relationships over lesser endless promises than Heris, I assure you!). Funny thing is, I seem to be quicker to market than them, the first carriage and wagon models from our program should be out within a year, while the development of the VL8 continues to release point within two years, tops.

If you're a Facebook'y type person (I am, sadly, most of my old schoolmates are on there) look up our group, all our updates are there.

Cheers for now!
Offline rmsailor  
#8 Posted : 09 October 2015 20:12:27(UTC)
rmsailor

Scotland   
Joined: 20/01/2006(UTC)
Posts: 569
Location: Kirkcaldy, Fife
Russian five foot gauge (1520 mm) translates as 17.5 mm in HO. Put it alongside 16.5 mm track you would see the difference otherwise it will pass without notice. You accept it, model in a unique gauge or change the scale of the models.There are worse compromises out there. Spanish manufacturers all use standard HO track though the prototypes are 5ft 6in.

Bob M.
Offline Shane Morris  
#9 Posted : 09 October 2015 20:15:27(UTC)
Shane Morris


Joined: 03/10/2015(UTC)
Posts: 7
You haven't seen the hard core Victorian broad gauge modellers - their prototype is 1,600mm. Us New South Welshmen think they're rather odd.
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